LostSoul

Does Sikhi have a guide on how to Govern a state if we as a people ever achieved one? Meaning, what is its stance on Capital Punishment, or how how do we deal with the criminal element?

Can a non amrit dhari prepare an amrit dharis food? Or prepare Langar at the Gurudwara?

"and put the hood on and try to act black"

I never understood that why not say trying to act Puerto Rican, or act Mexican, I mean they all have huge gangs to.

And dancing removes that jewel?

The Shias believe that Imam Mahdi is going to return in 2012. Many Sikhs believe Kalki Avtar is going to come in that year.

Also, there is mention of Mir Mehdi in Dasam Bani, but i'm not sure if this is the same person as Imam Mahdi.

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How would these Sikh go about figuring out the Year 2012? Also what significance does Kalki Avatar have to Sikhi? Is there any being other than Whaeguru who we should have anticipation for? Will the Kalki Avatar "wipe out evil" like it is written in the Judeo-Christian religions? Do we really need any more than the Pavitar Bani of the Guru to Guide us?

My Question is, in Christianity Incest is considered a sin, correct? My question is when Adam and Eve conceived their children did they not mate to produce more offspring who in turn mated producing more offspring? So arent we all In fact Brother and Sister and cannot, due to the law of incest not marry?

The thing is, certain Sikh saints have had dialogue with Jesus (if this seems too unbelievable for you, please listen anyway).

The Jesus of the Bible is not the real Jesus. He was a saint of Vaheguru, but not the "Son of God"  in the context the Church uses that phrase.

The spirituality, the true devotional worship of God, that is all but non-existant in the present Church. Instead, it got replaced with an easy formula, which the lazy masses quickly ate up, which was "just believe in Jesus and everything is super".

They (the Church), took the soul of true Christianity away and replaced it with synthetic, hollow, and at certain points false doctrine.

Not meant as an attack on Christianity.

I will leave you with one of my earlier posts..

Btw...I'm reading a book called "Say Kaneyhia" which is the life story of Baba Harnam Singh ji Rampur Khera wale.

(Baba ji gave arrest in Dharam Yudh Morcha at the age of 86)

Basically, one day Babaji got darshan of Jesus, Mohammed, and Bhrigu Rishi. All had radiating faces and light around their heads.This is what they said.

Mohammed: "You are a blessed and lucky person to whom the Great Guru Nanak Dev has shown the direct, easy and best method to attain God in this age (kalyug). But the followers of the Great Guru Nanak are not deriving the full benefit out of it."

Bhrigu Rishi (famous for the Bhrigu Granth which contains many prophecies): "In our times we had to undergo very ahrd and rigourous methods...the attainment of God was very difficult...the true Nectar of Nam which the Great Guru Nanak has brought, we could not get it..."

Jesus: (he uttered only these few words) "It is my inner desire that my followers should adopt the path shown by the Great Guru."

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ummm wasnt Jesus crucified thousands of years before Sikhi came into being?

Militant those quotes you posted said nothing about a tilak. You again have no right to call anyones beliefs stupid. Also yes Im a lost soul just like you, unless your enlightened?

"I do not have the survey. But consider this: India is one of the top 10 countries that has highest national debt. India is in top ten worst countries for gender inequality. India is one of the 124 third world countries that are still developing. After 58 years India is still 3rd world and you expect Sikhs to have all the solutions ready so they can just go there and setup a first world country? It is not “Khala Jee Da Vaara”. Transportation system sucks, lot of corruption, not too much privatization of business (though slowly changing). Many areas in UP do not have electricity. This may be the case for some other states but I do not know. So India has problems just like other countries even after independence and for sure so will Khalistan."

India was freed over half a century ago, it was a different time then. Now you need military might to have a free country. India is on a fast track to become a dominant Superpower, it has a strong emerging Middle class. India also is a openly democratic Country unlike Pakistan which heavily uses religion to influence its politics, and Pakistan remains a stagnant nation.

"Did they always have money? Making money and building economy is a slow process. Their major resource is oil which we will not have but there are always other ways to build economy which include but to limited to clothing, sports, computers etc etc. My point was to show that no country has everything. One has oil other doesn’t. We have water, electricity, lot of food and many small industries. We can certainly build larger industries and invite foreign companies to invest and do business in Khalistan. Indian government never tried to look for resources in Punjab so don’t know what resources are available. Our major resources are being abused and misused. Pakistan is finding many stocks of natural gas and other resources which we can import. We have to look for them in Khalistan."

Actually they had huge oportunities to make money. Yes the economic process is slow for developing nations, but so many succesful businessman reside in Punjab who I hardly think would side with a seceesionist movement. We have waters that are haveily contaminated now, what gain could we recieve from that? Foreign investors would hardly come to a volatile fledging nation, if that was the case Afghanistan would be flooded, Punjab has nothing more to offer than call centers.

"But we agreed that the discussion was about aftermath of Khalistan which means after the movement. Are you assuming that they will live in Khalistan but will not support it? If they don’t support us they can leave the country. Do you think after we get Khalistan people of Punjab (esp Sikhs) will turn against us (Don’t assume that the government is unjust and oppressing)?"

My point was we would always have a divided nation, Punjab is not fully a sikh population, and even the sikhs there might not agree. This post is very long and Im in a hurry. India right now has a Muslim President, a Sikh Prime Minister, and a Sikh Commander of the Army. I fail to see where right now we are being prosecuted. Relply more later.

Since your so sure of it Militant, why dont you post the "quote", I mean there has to be reasoning behind your thinking.

Thanks Bilja for your power trip. I never INSULTED khalistan if you read it carefully, and I will never insult sikhi. However if I say some some harsh words to a friend of yours who shares your fanatic beliefs then Im moderated, haha thats fine brother. You sure turn a blind eye when someone blatantly insults another religion, but for some reason you ldont mind attacks against other peoples faiths. Your not a superior to me and I wont bend over for you, I wont apologize for what I said, I find it hard to swallow when someones accuses me of being a Indian Governments supporter, or calls the Indian Sarkar my masters, why didnt you moderate that? The onesideness is shown though, ahah typical. Dont worry Bilja do what you need to to satisfy yourself, Im here to learn about Sikhi and discuss, you however want to simply promote politics, have fun I stay the same Gurfateh

Sikhs are loving and open people, who show compassion not Ignorance.

Yes it is about an elderly man being victim of police brutailty, yet you turned it into a political issue. Edited

"should i keep you updated on what i'm doing? from your posts your a gov't tatoo for all i know. In this day and age we have to be smart. I'm not going to list what i have done to date just because some character i have never met asks me to on the internet. There are a few people on this forum i know personally who i woudln't mind discussing what i have done or haven't done. your not one of them."

Im really sad that Im not in your Internet Khalistani Club, really I am. As for me being a goverment "tattoo" I just have to say please stop smoking whatever your smoking, its making you paranoid. Im sure youve hacked many sites, and sent many emails, but in the end no one has benifited from you internet movement. Also this thing where calling everyone a Government Agent, its getting really old.

"I'm sure I have done more than what you have done for the rights of african americans in america.( you brought up blacks being beaten by police, like i brought up the murder of sikhs in india). are you in the NAACP? do you know jesse jackson?"

lol who said im a black rights activist? Ive never said anything advocating a black movement, your posts get more and more amusing as you get more frustrated beta. Fateh

I admit my knowlege of bani in very limited, forgive me. However I agree that that refernce alone does not mean we follow creationism, as you said Khalsa Veer ji. This man is obvioulsy here to incite a argument and preach christianity superiority.

SIKHI does not have any mention of Adam, and does not believe in the Judeo-Christian line of thinking on creation. Please do not start a debate when there is nothing to debate, or call any thing within our faith baseless. If your reason for coming on this site was to preach christianity and incite arguments, I ask you humbly to leave. Fateh.

Taboo again he speaks for no one but his close minded self.

"To be faithful to one religion and yet have the humanity to appreciate someone elses religion is a wonderful thing.

I find it hard that the gurus will not bless my fiance when he prays for their blessings just because hes been attending hindu rituals."

I love the way you put that. I hope you just remember that you will come across alot of Ignorant people, just dont let that one bitter person spoil the rest for you. I hope you and your fiance are happy in life, and I can see you are on a good start with such open minds.

"The need for Khalistan in not there simply because one man was tortured, that is a issue that should be taken to the courts, not a legitimate cause for secession."

one man!  wow dude you live in a cave or something, try over 50,000 political prisoners still in jails without trilas from 1984, over 30,000 mass cremations, jaswant singh khalra proved over 5,000 just in amritsar district...the number is over 200,000.  Man, why are you so blind to what is going on?  Is it becuase you choose to be because it is more convenient for you?

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Actually you highlighted this incident alone for the cause, which is why I said that. Convenient for me? I dont know what thats supposed to mean. Why dont you do something for them then? Why dont you help their families, or work through international law to release them? 200,000? Thats a very high number could you show some facts showing that amount of innocent sikhs held in jail? Khalra Ji actually tried doing something for these people rather than sit at home and make empty calls.

wow, where are the "moderates" now?  What happended to "Punjab is a better place now".  Same old story man.  Even now, when there is no kharkoo(militant) activity in Punjab, 65 year old men like this are tortured like animals...this is so backwards man.  I don't care how much IT(information technology) stuff india has these days, it is still the most backwards country in the world.

these tyrants just give us a khalistan wake-up call everyday.  Everytime we get a little moderate these fools boil our blood.  Eventually the boiling will simmer over.....

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yh 'lost soul' and da ovas where u lot now dis is da state of panjab torture and hell i stand by all my remarks

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What??

they were brought to america on ships from africa, their homeland is africa.  Punjab is our homeland.  it's convenient for you to be ignorant when you want to be.  Blacks were being beaten in south africa when gandhi was there so what made indians want their own homeland?  i bet the british said what you said to indians right?

you were pretty offended by people mocking the sikhs wearing a tilak on their heads but when your people are tortured your pretty understanding.  typical.

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Punjab is the homeland of Hindus, Muslims, Christians as well as Sikhs. India was colonized by british Punjab was not. The need for Khalistan in not there simply because one man was tortured, that is a issue that should be taken to the courts, not a legitimate cause for secession. The only thing Im against is fanaticisim, which is the only thing that seems to come out of your mouth, typical.

In america black men get beaten by the police, were subjugated to 400 years of slavery, and treated as true second class citizens, lets give them theyre own country to.

Would a true Sikh of the Guru advocate the murder of a man for wearing a mark on his forehead? You shouldnt throw stones in a glass house brother, before you go out pointing who is and who isnt a Sikh you should take look at yourself and see if your following the tenets of Sikhi in daily life. Excuse me but what state of slavery is Punjab in? Last time I went I saw no one chained, I saw our people eating and happy, I heard no bullets flying, and most importantly I heard no cries of War. Its your delusion that we are being shackled in Punjab, when actually we hold very high Govermental power, compose a large part of the army, and have many succesful businesses. I dont really need a useless argument here, my main point was not to be childish and call other faith rituals "crap", its that simple and not hard to comprehend. Also could you use letters to write your posts it gets a little hard to read.

Fateh

Actually you did mock Hindusim and its rituals, which you have no right to. If a westerner were to see our practices without understanding them they may call us "crap". State of war? Really when did this happen? When was it that the Sikh faith was at war with the Hindus, I think you better call the Prime Minister of India and inform him, hes Sikh by the way. Militant Singh it is no right of yours in any way to call any body elses beliefs "crap", Im actually surprised at the moderators whom Im sure read this and allowed it to continue, I remember some members being put on moderation for this, however we let people like this come on a sikh forum and give us a bad name? I agree what if a Hindu (already has) came along and read this, I would leave my disclaimer stating that militant singh speaks for no one but himself.

this one question to anyone :

What is the point of tilak??? what can it give and what you get from it???

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Tilak is a stupid hindu fing which should be tottal;y banned 4rm sikhism Anyway the GUrus prohibit stupid rituals like that dunno y sum idiotic sikhs still believe in stuff like that if they continue like this they r jus hindus believing in SIkhism much like da RSS hinduized dwn graded version of sikhi

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I didnt understand half that post, but please again refer to veer Suraj Singhs post where he stated that Gurus used the mark of a tilak to pass on the Gurghaddi. Anything could be interpreted to be stupid if you fear it and dont understand it.

Its hilarious when these people are stumped they jump on the old blame it on the hindus wagon. Bro no one said anything about good luck your post was long but pointless, if someone wants me to wear it hey its not permanent washes off, its not going against my religion, its making them happy hell why not? haha go ahead turn it into your laws against sikhi thing, they keep piling up anyhow, tell me when you get to the its against sikhi to yawn to loud.

"THESE ''''''SIKHS'''''' SHOULD BE EXCOMMUNITCATED AND DEN EITHER SHOT OR GET BANGED UP KHALISTAN ZINDABADH DEATH2 TRAITORS AND INDIA FREEDOM 4 PANJAB NEVA 4GET 1984"

Your a moorakh

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Who u 2 judge me onli the almighty can do that ''ur a moorakh'' man @ least i stand up 4 da religion people like u jus use dialouge well dialouge hasnt wrked 4 21yrs since 1984 u wanna do call me that u do that but 1 day people like u wil c y people like me r like this,,,,,,dunno y u defending hindus and thier crappy rituals which r pointless im jus sayin whati think is right and what i think should be done 2 people like that the sikh quom is still asleep look slike it aint leanred 4rm what hindus have done 2 us and r contining 2 do OH WELL ul learn 1 day :T: :TH:

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Actually brother people like you give a horrible view of sikhi. According to your brand of sikhi, these men in the photo should be shot, simply because of wearing a mark on their forhead, please tell me in what way is that benefitting the quam? Also if only God can judge you, who are you to judge other peoples religions, are you equal to the Lord that you can pass out judgement but not recieve it? Why am I defending hindus? Brother if you had a bit of sense in you you would remember that our ninth Guru, Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji gave his life so these hindus could practice their "crappy" rituals, are you saying the Guru was wrong in doing this now? Please think again before you open your mouth, you dont speak for the quam, only your own warped brand of Sikhi.