Khalistanisinghni

2 minutes ago, genie said:

Not sure she is doing that but either way I do like her art i think shes talented.

If you disagree with her you should reach out to her and tell her where you think she is falling into manmat. Personally I cant see it myself I think shes doing nothing shocking.

What I found more disturbing was that of that rupi kaur and putting up on instagram account a picture of her period stained pyjama's. That was truely perverse and disgusting akin to and comparable a man wearing his joggers with semen stains on it. Why would any right minded person do such a thing?

Some of these so called kaurs have lost the plot but I dont think anoop is one of them, shes just a talented expressive artist from that pieces I see on her account.

She obviously seems talented since some of her work is expressive and gets you. 

At the same time, maharaj ji asks us to avoid any such clothing/food/sangat that gives way to the 5 vekars. 

The reason why I don't approach any of them personally is mainly because, they can be very unwelcoming when you are not quite consenting to what they are doing. (Experience) they do have followings and often address people like me with "okay" "random emoji" "thanks.bye" "don't like it?blah blah"

10 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

She has a picture of herself tying a dastar naked.  She is wearing no top.  

Her mind is perverted.  

Not sure if you are being sarcastic. 

But wearing a dastar and being topless contradict.

18 minutes ago, genie said:

Not sure what you mean here.... I cant see what issue you have about her??

But in terms of her art you gotta expect this from artists, I am an hobby artist too.

Artists love to create thought provoking and sometimes shocking art expressive pieces, just the nature of the beast.  BTW her pieces are pretty mild compared to things other non-sikh artists produce.

Being an artist is one thing, being a Sikh another and using the former to insert manmat in latter's saroop is not quite acceptable.

WJKK WJKF,

below is an account on Instagram I found,

that belongs to a "caur".

*edited*

It is not the art that bothers me but 

the artist herself.

tbh: what is happening?

Most likely an ethnic punjabi, if you look at the walls behind the second picture. But at the same time, he looks younger in the second photo when compared to first one.

WJKK WJKF bhenji,

as long as you are in chardikala now, everything should be. Though I am not sure how much of your past should you relieve to the individual?

2 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

They need to realize in this day and age anyone, regardless of hair no hair race gender nationality, can debate or criticize religion. If they're strong in their faith, they should be able to counter any points, not make some stupid excuse like "oh, but you're a moneh!" I know some moneh who know more about Sikhi than most keshdhari, how would you know let them participate in a discuss. 

This isn't even about accepting people so they'll embrace Sikhi, more so that anyone has a right to participate in a discussion and debate. 

What is the point of knowledge if they aren't going to abide by it? Does that not make them clearly hypocrites. 

35 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I go hard on fellow Amritdharis on this site. I believe we need to conduct ourselves with the necessary decorum befitting of those who've taken amrit, and hold ourselves to a higher standard. However, that unfortunately translates to some of us assuming airs and graces that are frankly laughable. It's the ego gone rampant, and I think most of this behaviour originates from some parcharaks and holy men filling impressionable heads with certain views in order to increase Amritdhari numbers so that being Gursikh carries a certain sense of prestige. And we know that humans love feeling unique and special. Extra masala is not needed to lend Gursikhi prestige. It speaks for itself.

However, I agree with the above opinion in bold to an extent. I should preface my words with the fact that the "best" Sikhs I've ever known (however one chooses to measure such things: knowledge, humility, wisdom, patience) started off as moneh. 

BUT there's a small group who have no intention of ever lowering their head in humility at the feet of Guru Sahib, yet they see no issue with pontificating about Sikh issues they should think twice about commenting on as if they're approaching the situation from a place of authority. I can understand if these guys are actively working towards a stage of adopting Gursikhi, no matter how gradually, but in most cases there's never any intention of doing so. Everyone can have an opinion, no problem, but there's certain things that people need to understand can only be discussed with any perceivable sense of confidence and comprehension if you've walked that path yourself.

Anyway, apologies if I've offended anyone. This subject is particularly sensitive for people on both sides of the divide.

A fellow gurmukh once said that if one truly loves someone/something, they would just go for it. And tbh, all the gursikhs encountered with jeevan are those who follow maryada, to the bits. That is why I, personally, wouldn't be trusting anyone who calls themselves Sikhs without Rehat, even if they follow one or two points out of it. 

You got the minority part correct! And don't go harsh on amritdharis, they aren't supposed to be perfect, amrit is the first step, not the last. Admission to a school doesn't mean a degree with honours  

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

I agree somewhat with your words ... the problems come from people being judged as not being knowledgeable enough because of outward bhes to question such matters.  

The definition you mention is the definition mentioned in old rehitname as sehajdhari have slightly different expected rehit before they become full sikhs by charan di pahul where they would have to increase their banian and keep gursikh roop in full.. 

Those who have gained entry to the path should really be loving and welcoming to the seekers , prem will achieve much more than harshness to change that person internal impression. I have heard many times that amritdharis are too harsh and judgemental, they look down on us etc etc . If Guru ji can save Ganika , Sajjan Thug and the worst of the worst surely being His children we can accept that these seekers are asking because their time has some to be drawn closer .

No doubt that the best way is prem, guru sahib ji has mentioned it and recorded in a puratan granth, that the best way to bring back people to god is through love, not easy especially when some of us (amritdharis) are so arrogant and proud with little jeevan and knowledge.

The problem is not with Moneh "Sikhs" talking about sikhi. It is when they claim to touch on the sensitive issues, such as Dasam bani, raagmala, bhagati, nihung singhs' maryada. If a mona goes to the gurdwara, does the sewa of shoes/kitchen utensils, or constantly seeks to be closer to guru ji- reads bani/reads books/listens to katha, it is all well.

giani kulwant singh and some other less-known scholars/great-beings deny the idea of sehajdhari sikhs as such, they say that such sikhs are those born in other religions but found themselves in sikhi. 

And moneh Sikhs have to stop pinpointing at amritdharis with faults. They started their journey already, they are fixing themselves, when you couldn't even follow the primary rehat of being a Sikh.

22 minutes ago, chatanga said:

Sure, Harnam Singh is a supporter of the akalis, but what measure did you use to ascertain whether other jathedars and mahapurkhs of taksal havea  better understanding. And who are these jathedars and mahapurkhs?

 

I would also include Gyani Parwinderpal SIngh Buttar and Bhai Gurpreet Singh california in the "good" list.

Mahapurkhs- Sant giani gurbachan singh ji, Sant Giani Kartar Singh ji, and Sant Giani Jarnail Singh ji khalsa (have huge numbers of katha available), Baba Banta Singh (loads of Dasam granth katha available), Giani Harbhajan singh.

It is just the way he has been acting, sometimes the attitude just defeats all that knowledge. One may not be able to learn much from a hypocritical person. And post importantly, the above two mentioned are great as well.

1 hour ago, simran345 said:

You could use your phone only for making and receiving calls and the other tasks of emails, fb, online shopping do on a laptop/iPad if you have one. 

Switch it off or put in silent mode until you've finished reading Gurbani. And better still put it in another room, or further away from where you are sitting, which is what I do  in the day. 

 

Good suggestions by Justajatt ji. Thanks for reminding me to place the phone further away from the bedside table when sleeping. I do have a bedtime reminder setup but it doesn't work in practice and I tend to ignore it ?.  

There's also time management apps you can download:

Thomas Frank

 

A lot of people are asking about options for mobile phones; while there definitely are some, I think your phone is easier to deal with than a computer. You probably need your computer for studying and work - you almost never need your phone for those purposes. So simply shutting it off during your work sessions is an effective strategy ;) That being said, if you feel the need to use an app instead, here are your options:Android - Cold Turkey iOS - Freedom (ironically not free), though I've heard that it's not 100% effective because of the way iOS is designed. An alternative is Forest, which encourages you not to use your phone rather than straight-up blocking content.

 

 

 

Thank you. Will try to keep these far away.

2 hours ago, JUSTAJATT said:

 

 

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh,

I suggest that you switch it off and leave it elsewhere when trying to do paatth or read bani.

No distractions is essential . A gurmukh friend of mine taught me to think of yourelf as if entering the abode of the guru every time you begin to go into paaath, gurbani or simran. He said to leave everything, all baggage, all gadgets, devices and even my watch when I enter the abode. >>   I took his advice and have been doing this for over a year now and I have no problems or distractions with this rubbish we carry around.  Sometimes I will use toof or incense stick in the room and may use that as sort of timer and now that 30 mins has gone when most is burned. For me, it's a lot better than using a  to limit digital device as a timer.

I also been advised that phone signal waves and wifi etc  affect us mentally and sway the mind. Since I benn aware of this and try to keep my exposure to a minimum,..>> I've been able to keep control of my krodh and tension problems that have bothered me for years.  Maybe it's all in my head?? I don't care what anyone says because I know how easily corrupt and tempted my weak mind can be. So any technique that can throw a few punches on it, is helpful to me.

 

SO BEAUTIFUL. Thank you and shall do ardaas benti and start it right away

WJKK WJKF,

is it just this human being who gets distracted by their mobile phones when reading bani.

like responding to emails/messages, checking fb/ig posts while reading bani? Or just online shopping?

1 hour ago, chatanga said:

 

Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma is an excellent kathakar. His knowledge on Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib is renowned in the taksal, and Baba is the one who has engineered the revival of Dasam katha in Delhi Gurdwaras where it was non-existent for over a decade.

The other jathedars and mahapurkhs of taksal have a better understanding.

the reason I said to avoid him is simply that he sometimes becomes very fond of the akalis (government) 

hence some may just see all taksalis as supporters of akalis 

4 minutes ago, HarkiranKaur said:

As long as you don't force the Taksal Maryada on us you can follow whatever one you wish. By the way damdami taksal of today is not direct lineage. Anyone can use a name even Taksalis have several lineages laying claims. By the way this is not Harkiran, and yes you are falling for the lies fed to you. It's basically lip service to say hey your equal but in this life you have to live a life of less privilege and rights,  but it doesn't mean your lesser. Lip service. 

You just perfectly described your own situation. Blindly following whatever your panthic maryada. You need to listen to some katha of suraj parkash, guru nanak parkash and Dasam Granth. 

(No one believes that we need another life. Our Mata didnt, we don't either)

bring her to a hospital and have her checked. She needs help.

Harkiran,

can you stop labelling women who accept the roles of men and women to different as "regarding" themselves lower.

can you stop forcing your ideas of feminism, since real feminists believe equality is only achieved when women don't have to do the historical works of men to feel equal

can you stop imposing the so called panthic maryada on all of us

can you stop criticising DAMDAMI TAKSAL, started by pita ji

can you basically keep quiet.

24 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

I had a similar reaction , bhai Ranjit singh  in the early days he allowed bewakoof loki to matha tek etc but now he has matured the whole way up and told people to call him BHai because he has no claim on anything .

His latest parchaar vids have been calling out dodgy parchaar and behaviours in the panth and trying to encourage the sangat to lose their greed, lose the pakhandi baba habit and reattach to gurbani .

I have never heard him say naam simran is pointless (maybe you can provide the link). 

He openly admits his wrong behaviour of the past (isn't that a good thing?) and tells people NOT to call him anything if they must then brother.

I would put Giani Thakur SIngh patialawale in a third category questionable 

athough the general content of itihaasic katha is correct he embroiders a lot and make claims which makes sangat doubt the rest of the katha.

 

puzzled, but its your opinion

Bhenji, 

dhadrianwale has changed. He is doing what these missionary parchariks are doing. If you listen to his latest videos, you will be shocked at his claims.

giani thakur singh are a gem. Just because our budi fails to believe and understand they are saying doesn't mean they should be questioned. (TRUST ME ON THIS ONE)

1 minute ago, simran345 said:

I don't about the first point you've stated, as I don't listen to him much myself, so I can't comment on what I don't know of or not heard. 

Also never heard the other too points either, but then again I don't listen to him much, only when he comes on Tv. 

But I noticed, you call him by them and they, and that's normally used in respect of somebody, so seems like you like some of his parchaar, but not all. 

Even avoided using DHADRIANWALA. Because they once did good parchar, and there will always be a part where I may not be able to disrespect them completely. For the betterment of the panth, it has to be distinguished 

8 minutes ago, simran345 said:

Curious to know why you've put  Ranjit "Singh" Dhadrianwale under bad? Am I missing something? 

I used to love them, honestly but their latest videos indicate how they have become so much like Panthpreet.

1. Messing with the history of Guru Tegh Bahadhur Maharaj ji- 26 years in pora sahib; Sant giani gurbachan singh ji has confirmed this and Dhadrianwale has been refusing to accept it, referring to a book written by the same person who addressed Sri Dasam Guru granth sahib ji as Kanjar Granth.

2. Says there is no point in doing simran.

3. Says he was doing Haramzaadgi by calling himself a sant.

The lifestyle of jatts/ramghariyas/chamars can vary vastly. Perhaps, that is why a "jatt" would be hesitant in letting his kids marry someone who is not a "jatt". Most importantly, it is often the people from "lower" castes who don't abandon their habits, they use sikhi to justify their equality without following and respecting other parts of sikhi. Not say all of them are included but quite a few.

WJKK WJKF,

below are some parchariks who are worth listening to, as well as some who are ignorant and virus. (Feel free to add)

GOOD:

Giani Sher Singh ji Ambale wale 

Giani Kulwant Singh ji Ludhiane Wale 

Giani Thakur Singh ji Patiale Wale

Bhai Sukha singh ji UK

Basics of Sikhi

Giani Sant Singh ju Maskeen 

Bhai Pinderpal Singh ji

Giani Amarjit Singh

To avoid:

Panthpreet "Singh"

Sarbjit Dhunda

Ranjit "Singh" Dhadrianwale

Darshan "Singh"

Gurbakshn Kala Afghana

Dhumma

Others: linked to the above.

WJKK WJKF,

if it is making you that uneasy, go do some chaupai Sahib/japji sahib deh jaap and do ardas benti. Read some chandi di vaar to gain the power to accept and fight when needed.

the best way to tackle the current situation is seriously just to do naam-jaap and know of shastar vidya.