proud2bejatt

Wrong, sikhs get involved with politics and do raaj.

See Guru Sahib 52 hukaams and history.

You can take that christian bairaag somewhere else.

Then again, lot of girls have these liberal brain vomits but it doesn't matter because they can't/won't do anything anyway.

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Keep preaching to the girls walking half naked, better they are some crazy veggie randir singh types than what they are now.

Good post and good day sister.

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Obviously in a fight you aint gonna say hang on while i tie my beard, what you do is tuck it inside the clothes you got on.

No you attack first, have weapons or create distance and fire in this age of firearms.

Tying is beadbi and only dine when no other choice.

Way you talk sounds like you don't have much of beard at all anyway.

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True but there is more in the practice.

We are ortjoprax not orthodox after all.

Actinf on hukaam and bani gives you amar bir rass.

Missing any component will cause dilution and confusion.

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Noooooooooooooooooo

lol.

Incest bad lol check your feelings, put them into trash can goodbye. lol

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Want to experience?

Get your rifle, sit behind it and in front of light a deeva and toofh.

Now meditate, see and feel the fires of savagery, wickedness and devi awaken the light of bibek in you.

Sitting and reading is not going to do anything but make you realize how to get to that meditation point. Das just explain to you though,

There was Bir Ras before 10th master penned Dasam bani in physical form remember that.

Sikhi has AlWAYS been there, we have just been taught if again as thd light of righteousness was faltering before 1469.

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Thats rubbish you know nothing of street fights, close up fight situations. Your dhari can be easily grabbed. I quote the recent news of Sikhs fighting each other over Gurdwara defamation and one of thems dhari came out during the fight.

A good fighter should be aware of his long beard and also his/her kesh coming loose. If you opponent grabs hold of your kesh, youll get knocked about like a doll

Lol good fighter?

Do you understand why Guru Sahib prescribed guerilla warfare and weapons?

Go be a good tied beard fighter, you oiss a sardar he blasts your beard with a .44.

What your speed agility gonna do?

Street fights are not unpredictable and all that.

Don't believe internet stay out of extremely poor neighborhoods especially black ones (statistically speaking) and none of that going to happen.

Stay armed and the random racist attacks that happen won't either.

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That's debatable, look at Buddhism they don't have country look how well they have flourished both in East and West.

lol bhuddism was from central asia to china. 70% of India, since losing statehood where is it now?

Stop being delusional bro, won't even go into details of old vs new gora bhuddism.

Ram Rahim has more followers in India, than Sikhi + Bhudh combined probably. What does that tell you?

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No just hinduvta. a jew vs zionist like thing.

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singh4peace the supreme court judge ian josephson who acquitted malik and bagri also said being acquitted does not mean malik and bagri were innocent

in Canada the legal system prefers to let a guilty man off the hook then send a innocent man to jail

judge had to follow the rules

the system isn't perfect and yes guilty men walk free

ian josephson said the evidence was strong but what destroyed the case were the witnesses

one being inderjeet reyat who ian josephson accused of lieing 27 times

as well as the star witness who malik had an affair with at the khalsa school admitted during trial she had a hard time testifying against him cause she still loved him and couldn't keep her story straight

talwinder parmar who said air india airplanes would fall from the sky

also cowardly surrendered like a sheep and was tortured and rated out his buddies yet some Sikhs want to call him a lion

malik has an affair with another women isn't that very anti sikhi I don't understand how some Sikhs consider themselves amritdhari yet support malik I think their sheep who were to scared to fight for khalistan

bagri said he wouldn't rest till 50 000 hindus were killed

and inderjeet reyat made the bombs

the judge who acquitted these guys also said they aint innocent

Canada America England have let murderers off the hook many times the most famous being oj simpson

singh4peace why did you use the book soft target to try to claim these guys were innocent when the book clearly states their guilty

plus in the trial the roles malik and bagri were accused of were

malik was the one who helped fund air india bombing by help paying for the plane tickets

and that bagri knew about the plot considering how tight he was with talwinder parmar and inderjeet reyat and that he was always with them

look at indo Canadian gang murders and how some of them have bin hard to convict cause the burden of proof required is so high

ron dosanjh and jim dosanjh were leaders of the Sikh youth federation and very pro khalistan and drug dealers

bindy johal a scum bag who got a lot of Punjabi youth hooked to drugs went on the news and threatened to kill ron dosanjh after jim dosanjh had bin murdered

he basically said he would shoot ron dosanjh between the eyes an few week laters that's what happened yet bindy johal and his crack head friends were

let off the hook

the guy basically told tv reporters he was going to murder ron dosanjh and how he would kill him

ron dosanjh got murdered the way the tv reporters had bin told he would be murdered

an still was found innocent so think about that when you think about the Canadian justice system

yes the leaders of the Sikh youth federation were drug dealers who got involved in drug war

You're just a kid, stop reading books and go outside.

Here's a question for you to ponder.

If 80% of the combined army was Punjabi, and 60% of the total Sikh; how would any Sikh country be an economic slave.

What would stop it from expanding?

Also, there is a command by guru gobind singh to not let anyone of another religion rule over you.

If you don't like that, you are free to stop calling yourself a sikh. You are probably not communicated so you can't be excommunicated, but you make all of us look like sniveling, groveling, slave men on a welfare line.

Now, if you have any problem with anything I've said take it up with your masters in hell.

Thanks,

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No, only since singh sabha movement. Teja Singh Bhasuria, Gyani Dit Singh, etc.

That stuff was also only confined to certain groups.

VJKVJF

prem sumarag granth

bhai gurdaas ji vaaran

guru dasam granth sahib

guru sarbloh granth sahib

Rattan Singh Bhangu works

Kavi Santokh Singh works

There are works written by Singhs themselves like Shaheed Bhai Mehtab Singh ji.

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I see it too don't like it.

Best langar I ever ate, was a place in madya pradesh.

We sat outside on dirt, 1 2 spoon aachar, some dal and roti.

We sat as equals my siblings with a few kids there.

Our clothes were clean, their's dirty how you see on tv. The baba was a baba, all I can say is thinking about it he must have been 35 40 but he had the form of mahakal himself.

For those children alone, whether they alive today or not we will bring Khalsa Raaj to m.p.

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No. It is racist. The majority of crime, like everywhere else, is committed by the disenfranchised. America would do better to address that institutionalised racism rather than see guns as an anwser to any social problem.

So these 'blacks' ,who's killings and deaths you dismiss, are they some sort of sub-human animals not on a par with human beings ?

Are they so unimportant as humans that their deaths en-masse come second to your 'rights' to access automatic machine guns ?

The 'fact' is that there are more black 16 year old males in jail in America than there are in college. Thats a truly damning statement that should, in theory, be enough to end this discussion. But of course it won't. It won't because of thinking like this:.....

Americans, with their limited knowledge and understanding of the world at large, are intellectualy stuck in the year 1776. You base your assumption on America being a great democracy on the basis that you don't have a monarch with despotic powers. What you fail to realise is that no other western democracy has had one either for many hundreds of years now. In terms of democracy then, it can be best summed up with the 'fact' that no other nation in the history of the world has imprisoned a greater proportion of it's citizens than the United States of America. Not Stalin's USSR, not China, not Iran, not even Pol Pot's Cambodia. This dubious honour falls to America and shows it's self-label as a 'free' country as a complete sham. It is your own government that is oppressive and it is them that are impregnating you with misguided notions of how guns are safeguarding your freedom.

Yes. A Sikh. A Sikh stands for sarbat da bhalla. The welfare of all existence. He does not put his own desires first and disregard the damage being done to others simply because most of the 'others' have black skin. Sikhi is organised compassion.

There is honour in the shastar. The Sikh, when he masters Shastar vidya and gatka, masters defence first and foremost. The Sikh, when he masters the sword, the chakar etc, defends with ease and lets the opponent wear himself out to the point of ineffectiveness. There is honour in this art of warfare.

There is no honour in pointing a gun and pulling the trigger. It takes no warrior to do that. It is something that little old ladies, little kids and mental patients can do.

There is nothing 'Sikh' about the gun.

You are a clueless imbecile sir, good day.

West London 'Singh' the colorful, pink wearing, pride parade attending nagani dancing in front of a machine gun with a urumi; all because he too scared to take less life than he does everytime he breathes.

This type of flock is better for you:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

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1. Apart from Hindu caste, Vashno also means vegetarian in punjabi. e.g. some people say "ansi vashno vyaah karna", means totally vegetarian wedding.

2. I don't think eating no meat can effect the growth. Our Guru sahiban, singh shaehehs, mahapurkhs, gursikh, sikh-sangat never eat meat. It's just you have to take special care of your veg-diet, takiing all the required nutrients and vitamins that body needs.

3. Egg is not allowed because it is further to give birth to a chicken, and by not giving that opportunity, its like killing it. It's like an abortion. Apart from this, eggs has many side-effects, google it. Hope this makes sense.

All our gurus ate meat and so did singhs unless explicitly mentioned otherwise like Sant Jarnail Singh and sant orders (which do not have large numbers, irrelevant to their work and influence; not trying to dishonor them) Certainly all purataan singhs did, and almost all do today; stop lying. Not going to argue, Guru Sahib's forst order after amrit sanchar was to go hunt and eat your kills; be free of the halal only tyranny of Aurangzeb (he had ordered only halal, any who ate it were considered muslim. Then if they broke Islamic 'laws' they would be killed. Way around no compulsion in religion bs, and an indirect method of death. Especially as more warriors tended to eat meat, rather than genuine 'hindus').

To Op, it's personal choice go research it. Won't say more as you asked for no debate, which usually just means Sikhs telling Vaishnavites the truth about meat in sikhi; and, them replying with lies like the above quoted.

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Sikhs don't just wear swords, Sikhi follows the basic tenents of manhood as well.

The core of that is protection, and laughter in the fqce of death. See when you are older about carry options for firearms.

The truth of it is, Sikhs are men. Men amongst men choose Sikhi; if any man understood it all (being a man) he would be dressed as a Sikh, with a so called prayer bead in one hand and shotgun/sword in the other.

If you wish to live with honor; become a Sikh. I

f you feel too young, to understand this no one will insult you.

Even learning about it, and wearinf the turban/beard will benefit you.

Just because we have more honor, does not mean we insult that of 'others'.

Also, there is no such thing as an orthodox sikh. It is a practice, like the army not a religious order through practice and adherance you develop a certain routine and ethical code.

It is like if I have you start two cars, one with sugar and one with gas; you will learn quickly why gas is preferred.

Orthodox would be explaining why sugar is 'bad' without any practical, objective way for you to see for youself.

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The USA has half the murder, three or more times the guns from the 60s and 70s.

Furthermore, you're supposed to be a Sikh, a Sardar, a man.

We shouldn't need to discuss whether men should defend things. It's what men do, otherwise they are not men. They maybe male boys however; it's obvious all sides in the dispute were dumb for fighting at a nagar kirtan but one side may be right.

Obviously no one dastar came off, or it would say murder near gurudawara. So, w.e let them resolve it, the whole jail thing is not cool because the person saying it has probably never been arrested.

Stuff happens, it's the risk you take going outside. USA has the majority of its crime committed by young black males.

That's a statistical fact, and not ; ( ; ( 'racist'.

If you avoid rundown areas and thuggish looking people, it is safer than Europe and the people nicer.

Any major European city I.e Paris, Rome, or London has organized gangs of pickpockets, human traffickers and scam artists. You have no way to protect yourself there, and the criminals are harder to spot.

Unless you're looking for it, or buying drugs you won't really get caught up in anything. I mean, even Toronto's 150k public housing population accounts for most of the 80 or 90 murders each year.

Even though the people are largely black, the best advice would be to avoid public housing. USA is the exact same, NYC or Toronto have murder rates below 5 per 100k overall yet certain blocks pass the hundreds.

Why do you need to go see a crackhouse or police raid?

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You wouldn't rather carry a rifle and a few pistols/revolvers just to be safe? ( keep others safe)

Does the old saying, 'A Sikh doesn't leave the house without 40 kilos of armor' need to be any clearer?

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Also the 3-6 inch siri sahib is a British imposition.

Look up what the 5 shastaars were, and understand for the Khalsa to rule (which is its order) it must be able to destroy whatever injustice stands in its way; for the just have never blocked the way of the khalsa, it is justice born on this earth.

Done posting for awhile, if I don't get banned will reply to w.e. Peace.

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Does Krishna worship the most supreme god, also worshipped by the gurus? Yes.

Does krishna wish to take human form and receive amrit from the hands of Guru Gobind Singh? Yes.

Does the average Singh have more virtue than the lifeless idol you created? Yes.

Should you become a Singh? Only if you're up to it. Das is not judgemental but if the RSS and not the land puts food on your table, I would say no.

edit - The other thing 'hindus' don't mention is that they all worship warriors. Krishna was Chandravanshi Ram suryavanshi.

Sikhs are warriors, just because they worship our fathers/brothers doesn't mean we should! Lol.

I've only gotten Christians at my door, well my parents.. I see the hari krishna people (who actually killed their own swami and the whites took control) I just give a look like, stay quiet if you want to leave with your life.

Never been bothered. :D

Other thing is, bramins created hinduism along with British (in modern sense) these people from older yugs were all Sikhs.

Krishna, Arjun, Ram all followed ksythria dharam which is what we follow. Obviously it became corrupted over time but the House of Nanak came and brought the true light back.

The only reason those money grubbing types can't handle it, is because the world is not an illusion to them and they are trying to buy out death/being cowardly.

ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

If you die with honor, you do not have to die again.

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"Let he who dies die such a deatg, that he never has to die again.

The world is terrified of death; everyone longs to live.

By Guru's Grace, one who dies while yet alive, understands the Lord's Will.

O Nanak, one who dies such a dea, lives forever. ||2||"

The other thing about the 14 realms is that the khalsa rules them.

ਸਿਧੋ ਮੁਖ ਕਰ ਮਰੈ ਜੁ ਸੂਰਾ I ਸਵਾ ਲਾਖ ਮੈਂ ਲੇਉਗ ਪੂਰਾ I

The Sanmukh Sikh who fights head on, gains the ability to fight 125,000.

ਸਰਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੁਨੀਅਹਿ । ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿਬੇ ਉਤੱਮ ਗੁਨੀਅਹਿ ।

The Guru then said to his Sikhs, All of the Khalsa should listen [to this directive], carrying weapons is the highest action.

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Sikhism is not a religion, in the traditional sense. It is concerned about actions not beliefs.

Seeking to build a good character rather than teaching how to act.

A good chaeacter will always act correctly, however having good character is not an act.

Sikhs are more concerned about living with honor and respect, and taking just actions rather than fire in hell or water in heaven.

Just my .2c

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I would also say that meditation is different for everyone.

Reading the feats of your warrior ancestors, is a form of meditation as in like dasam bani and stuff like that.

I used to read the tisarpanth site for hours straight and end up falling asleep, and waking up read again.

I would definitely look at dasam bani, as sadly I can only find kirtan from adi guru granth sahib.

Meditation literally means focused mind, there are many ways to do this but best not discussed here. I don't mean drugs either, often you need to really meditate once and that meditation carries over for a long period of time even months in the same trance.

Having purpose and a goal, is the best meditation. What do you guys think of sukh nidaan for meditation?

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Caste is a british term for two separate things.

There is varna a man made or bramin made system

and Jaat.

Two different things, in actuality if a bhagat bani is part of guru word then he is being given place ofbrahmgyani or bramin.

Sikhi abolished giving spirtual position by birth, and only recognizes actions.

Jaat is a totallty different thing and much of the reform movement was initiated by the minorities of Sikhi. Overall it is a clan system and was recognized by the gurus as seen above and in Bachittar Natak.

I won't say anymore, because most people here 'believe' different. I'll ask a question though,

Guru Sahib made all Khalsa Surya Vanshi. Yet, at the same time the vast majority of Sikhs already were by blood.

Certain things resonate amongst certain people and cultures. If you are already a Sikh, it's not really relevant to you.

If you were born into a Sikh family, and 'left' it in a way you left your man-hood.

That's all I have to say,

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Interesting thing about Bhangra, most of its origins seem to be from dhadhi vaar started by 6th master to instill warrior spirit in Sikhs.

Keep that perspective in mind..

Someone needs to come to explain why it's retarded to trust people and system who keeps stabbing you.

Problem is, Sikhs wear so much armor it'll take you guys awhile before you realize it hurts!

O well, I'll be waiting here with rifle tell me when it time to fight!

Third Punjab Hind War. 1857,1984,201x. :D

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Das has said, Sikh youth will wake up to true face of Hindus as their numbers increase. They are the largest and most vile criminal cult, on the planet.

I think 1857 ultimately caused the divide, in the mind of the common man.

He was never told of the wars few years before where the foreigners and hindus and muslims tried to conquer the Sikhs.

Only that they were defeated by the Sikhs in 1857.

You can slowly see after that, with many hinduvta advocates being clean shaven that the Dastaar Identity faded.

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It may also be due to a decline in militarism many pathans in Toronto who are older, wear a turban too.