PakistaniPunjabi01

Already happened. Islamic Forces ruled india for centures..hor kinna Ghawa-e-Hind hona wa yar? :biggrin2: Chad do inhu, lets go for Ghazwa-e-Americas or something :lol2:

Yeah..I liked her..but not now. And 1000% agree..Imran Khan and PTI is the best!!!!! I'm actually a worker of PTI :D Inshallah, next time, when over-seas Pakistani get the right to vote, I'll vote for PTI and make a lot of other people to vote for them too...Inshallah! Slave-minded, begairat, p*ssy punjabis failed to stand up for themselves once again and fcuked Pakistan this time too !!!! They betrayed their motherland and voted for the same piece of sh!ts once again. Honorable Pushtoons of Pakistan held their reputation of being "gairatmand awaam" yet again and they voted PTI into power in KPK. Khair there is a whole new, boiling blood that has already entered in Pakistani politics! Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf has emerged as the second largest political force in Pakistan. Inshallah, hun aey feudals di badmaashi zada dair nai chalu gi...Now, even Nawaz Shareef will have to perform brilliantly to ensure his political survivor. Pakistan needs a leader like Erdogan..but Pakistanis aren't Turks. Turks deserve to have Erdogan..Pakistanis Nawaz naal hi khush aa...

Yar, summerize please.. What is Hassan Nisar saying and how it relates to my previous post? Or atleast just tell me how it relates to my post? Zaid Hamid and Hassan Nisar in same video? I already know the outcome :D

Oh yeah. Thank You for being precise I said Sindhi in a sense that he was from Sindh Province. Ethnically, he wasn't a Sindhi. True that. But still it doesn't change the fact that he was a non-Punjabi.. Well, your ancestors were also either Hindu or Muslims..later they converted to Sikhism. How do we know that my ancestors were forced to convert to Islam? Over-whelming majority of Muslims in Punjab became Muslims due to Sufi Saints, and not because of any conversions. Islam spread in India due to Sufis..not b/c of military power. Islam "arrived" in India mainly due to military conflicts..but it spread due to Sufis.. Arabs can go to hell. I don't care about Arabs..nor do I like Saudi rulers etc. If it wasn't for our holy places, Saudi Arabia would have been as irrelevant to Islamic World as Sri Lanka is... lol....how come watching porn relates to Islam? Its not like you watch porn for the first time and you go "O.K, F*ck Islam. I like porn better. I'm leaving the religion" hahaha...If that was the case, all religions would've became extinct by now.. lol.. No, it won't. Punjabi's core lies in Pakistan--not in india or indian punjab. Pakistan has largest punjabi speaking population in the world..All the great poets, Sufi masters, writers, and scholars of Punjabi language were mainly Muslims. Look at the map... Pakistan is the original holder of Punjabi language and culture...and it will remain so in coming decades too..Inshallah. There is no 'power structure' within Islam. It is no Catholic Church... Depends where my daughter is and what is the situation. Why will I marry my daughter to a man living across the border? Yeah, if she is USA..then a different story... LMAO. No. So the text written in blue is not yours but this Qureshi caste Pakistani guy's? What is his name? or I'm missing something..Clarify what that Qureshi guy thinks and who is he though? Bullocks.....where is the source? Islam lifted humans to equal level and dignity. It doesn't matter what anyone previously was. Where were Arabs before Islam? After Islam, they became the global leaders of humanity.. What were Turks before Islam? Bunch of nomads in central asian plains? After Islam, they became the global super power of the world etc. So there is nothing "genetic" in human beings. Islam doesn't believe in caste-system..Your above lines are racist and derogatory. There generals command one of the toughest militaries on the face of the planet..they are as good as any other generals. Can they fight U.S? No. No one can stand against them. But that is not their task. Pakistan Military is geared to defend Pakistan against indian threat from the East..and it does a good job of doing it... Pakistan military has its short-comings...just like all other militaries. Atleast it is not corrupt as indian military...haha... We aren't talking about indians here. Pakistanis aren't slaves of white-masters as indians are. Our so-called corrupt elite might be, but average Pakistani on the street isn't. While average indian will do anything to get "approved" by his/her gora master. Indians will defend Israelis against Palestinians, Americans against their actions in Afghanistan, Europeans against Chinese and so on. It shows how badly indians are arse-lickers of whites..they won't defend their own people (Brown, Asian)..but they'll defend their "masters" (White, Western). Even Chinese have observed this trend among indians (I've personally seen many chinese saying this)... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, Pakistan Military is an ideological Islamic military at its core (not talking about generals)... Pakistan Military defeated the Soviet Union by conducting an Islamic Asymmetric war in Afghanistan and by supporting it from Pakistan (With the help of U.S and Saudis). Pakistani officers fought and died along with Jihadists in Afghan war....It was for Pakistani interests and for the interests of Islam globally. Communism was the last ideological threat to Islam remaining in this world...And after the fall of communism, Islam just swept through central Asia...6 new Muslim-majority states were formed after U.S.S.R fall and Mashallah, today, Islam is the majority religion of central Asia and a truly global religion present literally in every corner of the planet Mashallah....No doubt we have plethra of slave generals in Army...but to tarnish whole Pakistan Army with same brush is bad too... So much for being the coolies of America, we screwed U.S.A in Afghanistan big time! As the war nears its end..its becoming clearer and clearer that Pakistani interests in Afghanistan will be protected and indians will find no space to maneuver much in Afghanistan.. Watch this documentary completely...Only an Islamic ideological state like Pakistan can trap and run circles around West like that..other countries to our East won't even have 'balls' to even think about it! They can't go against their "white" masters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSinK-dVrig :biggrin2:

To all people here, Is there any documentary etc showing what "actually" happened? The actual Sikh perspective? If there is, then kindly give it!

Yes, sectarianism is there...but it wasn't as bad at all. How many mosques got attacked in 1990's? Very, very few. This only goes up when ever there is a big war happening in the region (in 2000's, America is fighting the war. Before, in 1980's, Russians were)... I know!!!! I, like majority of other over-seas Pakistanis, were supporting PTI and Imran Khan! But thanks to foreign powers, military establishment, massive rigging, and mentally slave Punjabis..Nawaz came back to power. Well, PTI won one state (KPK) and we have government there..Also, since there is a PTI threat now, Nawaz will definitly work for Pakistan. I hope he performs well this time Inshallah!! Like rest of Islamic World, Pakistan is also going through a political transformation..and new/better leadership is coming up....Pseudo western lackey so-called 'secular' forces are being defeated and Pro-Islam forces have swept the Islamic World. Islamic Revolution in Iran, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Al Nahda (another Islamic party) in Tunisia, Mahatir Muhammad and his revolution of Malaysia, Libya, Indonesia, Syria etc etc..You just name it..Pro-Islam national forces have gained political power. Even in Pakistan, PTI and Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) are center-right, pro-Islam forces and so-called idiotic "secular" forces like ANP, PPP, and MQM have faced defeat in last elections..Future is bright for Pakistanis and Muslims Inshallah! Jamat-e-Islami and so-called fake "seculars" are faces of same coin. Both are extremely idiots. PPP's government was worst in Pak's history... Nawaz Shareef is atleast better than Asif Ali Zardari :biggrin2: But Imran Khan was the best leader!!!! I'm sad that he couldn't come to power...

Yeah, I have read this too. It is stupid and gullible. Who told you that Muslims don't blame their leadership for their miseries? Also, that post is just for kids..made by kids...I don't take such generalizing propaganda seriously. I don't make any conclusions about Sikhs etc. I just said that what sikhs in MY area do..thats it. I am the right person to ask anything :D Well, its wrong. Lets take last fifteen years of Pakistan.. for 10 years, a SINDHI Army general (Gen. Musharraf) ruled Pakistan... and then, a SINDHI Shia ruled Pakistan for next 5 years... (Asif Ali Zardari) So to say that only sunni punjabis dominate Pakistan and others are doomed is a factually wrong statement to make as I proved. But yeah, majority of Pakistanis are Punjabi and sunnis and hence you'll see them playing a big role..which is only natural.. Also, Pakistani armed forces aren't Punjabi armed forces. There many Pashtun, Sindhi Generals in Pakistan Army... There are two contenders for next Chief of Army Staff position, after Kiyani retires.... One is Punjabi (Gen. Haroon Aslam) and the other one is Pashtun (Lt. Gen Tariq Khan) ... I personally hope General Haroom Aslam becomes the next commander of Pakistan Army. Lt. Gen Tariq Khan, though a very competent commander, has a reputation of being toooo much pro-U.S. This goes against him. Gen. Haroon Aslam is a man of honor that leads his troops from the front. Also, he doesn't have the reputation of being a "secular". He is seemingly very pro-Islam and this goes well as he'll be leading the largest Muslim military in the region! Here is Gen. Haroon sitting with soldiers...This is what the leadership looks like!!! (Gen. Haroon is the man first from right1 The bald man with glasses)... So Punjabis don't just dominate everything..but yeah, a better balance is needed in the country for sure..Punjab is just too heavy compared to other provinces. I have heard all of them.. Lets see Zaid Hamid : Motivational speaker, talks delusions. Hassan Nisar : Reasonable intellectual. Subcontinent needs people like him. Najam Sethi : Piece of sh!t. Part of same elite that have ruined the lives of our people. indians like him b/c he talks favorably of india..but he is nothing more than a Western lackey. Works for an American Think Tank too lol.. Tariq Fateh : interesting guy. Some of his views are unconventional and offers an interesting insight in Muslim politics in Subcontinent, creation of Pakistan etc. Over-all, he is just tooooooooooo biased against anything related to Islam. So, not worth much time.

About 80% to 90% of the vidoes here are of Pakistani Punjab (Faislabad to be precise) :biggrin2: .... Its shows that how Indian Punjab is more closer to Pakistan than to rest of India.. These "punjabi totay" guys are absolute genius! They are from faislabad. They have dubbed whole films. The remarkable thing is that their dubbing is very accurate (according to what is being said in the movie) and at the same time, it is hilarious as hell! Also, they don't use any vulgar language to make their video funny...So hats off to these guys! This is a clip from film "Blue Streak"..I've watched this whole movie in Punjabi dubbing..its hilarious! Here is complete SpiderMan movie in Punjabi..its also really funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSEkQqzsnvQAlso, Azizi is the jon stewart of Sub-continent! :biggrin2: I don't know any other man who does political/social satire THIS good!! Azizi is an asset of Pakistan Mashallah...Its good that Indians know about him too... Here he is acting as a student after matric examinations (10th grade examinations)...Its hilarious! haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF58vJmPqkk

Very valid points. But only one thing : Bombings of Mosques isn't a "community" problem but a political struggle...Pakistan is going through a kind of civil war right now...Talibans don't bomb Shia mosques only..they bomb Sunni, Shia, Sufi...whatever mosques. It is lonngggggggggggggggggg struggle that Islam is facing..from the very beginning, there is a kind of civil war within Islam. Sometimes I get amazed that how a religion that is in the state of a kind of civil war for centuries became so successful and spread throughout the world..and is keep on going Mashallah..with all the problems. If any other religion or ideological force had faced problems like this, it would've crumbled longggggggg ago! I think since Islam came from tribal origins..it is more prone to civil war AND at the same time, it can handle civil war better than others....Anyways, may Allah grant Muslims some 'aqal'... I talked what I saw/see here in U.S....in U.K, I'm sure things are different. U.K Pakistanis seem really strange people to be honest..Not to be racist, but majority of UK Pakistanis aren't Punjabi but Mirpuris...probably thats why they have more problems than Punjabis?

My comment isn't biased nor nonsensical. I've described what I saw... Come to Northern California and see it by yourself if you don't believe me. I have lived here, studied here with Sikhs etc. I know. I'm not saying it about all Sikhs..but about only those who have this 'gangsa wanna be' attitude and there's alot of them.. Well sex-groomers? thugs? Probably you live in U.K and talking about there? I've never been there so I won't comment. Here in USA, things are different...You won't have many cases where Pakistanis are involved in sex-grooming. Also, sex-groomers of U.K aren't youth most of time..they are grown old men and hence are called "groomers" ....

I know. Thats why no one says it in real life. Here on forums, we can be open with each other by keeping it respectful..Its good for everyone. I'd also LOVE to hear some honest criticisms of Muslims/Pakistanis etc where its appropriate, given that the comment is respectful and not a flame-bait.

lol..Its common here in USA.. ALOT of fights take place at Gurudwara and specially at annual Sikh/Punjabi Mela here in California. Sikh youths actually wait for Mela to happen so that they can settle score with eachother infront of everybody.. Honest opinion : Sikh young guys here have this retarded wanna be "gangsa motha fucka" attitude. Its sooooo annoying. These kids think that they are some really hi fi gansters..they'll fight for no reason etc, use their karas explicitly for fighting and so on. Even during highschools, it was soooooooooooooo annoying/embarrassing to see these "punjabis" acting dumb..cuz in highschool, you are also recognized with them (since I'm a Punjabi too)... Pakistani Punjabi community really look down upon Sikh youth for this attitude...They actually advise us to stay away from Sikh youths.."only befriend those jairay koi haal de banday aa...baki saray ta 'littar' (punjabi word) hi hunday aaa. Inna ne parhna sharna koi nai..bs lariyan kariya janiyan te fir mor k ksi ne taxi driver ban jana, ksi ne field ch kam krna, te ksi ne drugan (drugs) pichay pe jana" my uncle told me this when I was about to start my highschool. :biggrin2: My high school had A LOT of Sikh students.. Sikh community should look into this matter seriously. You don't become 'lion' by fighting on all the small things possible..This is no sign of 'bravo' and bravery.

Why not vote for anyone? Thats bad...Anyways, Akali Dal performed well in punjab as far as I know. They atleast did better than our government....lol

How many of you have watched this documentary? 1984, a Sikh story (BBC documentary) Today we were watching this documentary in the class and I really liked it..so I thought I should share.. It is well-made and it features a Sikh girl from England going to India to research about 1984 incidents and how it changes her life and her view of her religion. Do watch. I'm not sure if this is the right thread to post..but whatever.. ===================== On a side note : Who do you vote in Punjab? What is the popularity of current ruling party of Punjab? I know its some Sikh party called something akal etc. What is your opinion of their performance in Punjab?

hahahaha..wow! Just because I replied to your bullsh!t in a fitting manner, you guys started crying "Oh oh extremist"? LOL!!!! is this a joke or what? So you abuse prophet, abuse Islam, share anti-Islamic hatefilled christian missionary rhetoric and call it "truth about Islam" ..and when agla replies..your 'sikhi' panties go wet and you start yelling " SEE! SEE! another extremist!"? Are you guys even real? Stop being crying babies... All the posters here and mods know that "who" started it all without any provocation. My replies were deleted b/c it definitely showed 'kon kitnay paani mein hai' ... Oye Sikho, apnay dharam ki recognition to karwa lo phlay...Islam ko gali baad mein day daina...Apnay hi mulk mein "extension of hinduism" ki pehchaan se janay jatay ho..or gali Islam ko detay phir ho? :lol2: :biggrin2: Now some mods might delete my posts and call me offensive or even ban me...but what offensive thing I said? While Sikhs were calling Islam as nazism, fascism, and describing Muslims as nazis...and Prophet as a terrorist (nauzbillah)...THAT wasn't 'offensive' or 'insulting' to the mods..they didn't warn or 'delete' the posts...but i just replied to those posts and didn't even insult Sikhism...and yet my posts were deleted and I was warned... Ummm what should we call this? Oh yeah..there's a word for it... :yay: H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y !!!

A bit clarification : The people you are talking about are called "Salafists". Wahabis are very strict, puritanical follows of Islam...but they aren't the 'fascist' type..There is a group within Wahabiii Islam called Salafists. These are the people who will bomb sufi saint shrines, hindu temples, non-salafi mosques etc...Many people don't this and hence bash wahabis as a whole..which is technically wrong. I'm no fan of Wahabism..but Wahabis won't bomb you just b/c you don't follow their brand of religion. It is the salafists who have this fascist behavior.... Just a clarification...

Once again we have a Sikh suffering from his eternal inferiority-complex. Whenever you look a Muslim, you abruptly think "Oh, he must be here to convert us. Or spread Islam blah blah" and hence you start polluting this forum with anti-Islamic , hate-filled christian missionary stuff..whereas the "believer" don't even say a word about Islam or anything...hah! You guys are becoming a joke now! First, you start all this b.s...and then cry like girls "ohhhh look believer is here to spread the word..".... like seriously? Look like all 10 year old girls have gathered here... :lol2: Ask your fellow Sikhs that who started talking about religion at first? Grow up, all of you.

Ohhhhhh..mods doing their duty? Well, I call some people idi*ts in my other posts too..find them and edit them..but please don't delete them. You don't delete insulting posts regarding Islam so why delete my posts? Also, from now on, if someone insults Islam or make any propagandistic post...I'll reply them in the same manner by commenting about Sikhism..is this o.k? Or Sikhs are THAT cowards that they insult others' faiths without any provocation..but when others' reply..they ban them? All that "Shairan di qom punjabi" was just hogwash, after-all? Also, forums usually give 3 warnings before banning some person..why are you banning me on first? even though you know that I'm not the one causing trouble? hah! Edit my words where I called posts idi*ts but baki post te rehn day lokan de paran vastay....inni insecurity v changi nahi hundi...ya ta banda phlay panga na lavay..ya fir baad vich rowaye na kuriyan walun... Admin : Can you re-instate my posts by editing-out the 'idi*t' word? This is injustice!!!! Why you deleted my posts? Atleast let the readers read what I wrote...This is show Sikhism teach you to do justice and treat others who are guests (me) in your area (this forum)? Please, re-instate my posts now by editing the word "idi*t" and nothing else!

lol..this forum seems to be having couple of ardent idi*ts..I mean Islam-haters. Oh well, what a waste of time..if you people invest less energy in hating Islam..and more energy in doing something productive..you guys might to able to get atleast 1 small state and stop being recognized as "a branch of hinduism" by india. :lol2: :biggrin2: Look at us Muslims, we have some 50 to 57 countries globally Mashallah and there are still struggle going on for even more states in parts of Russia, Caucus, Philipines etc..lol.. Islam ruled the world as global super-power for over 1000+ years out of 1400 years of its existence. NO other civilization even comes close to this success ratio Mashallah...Out of Islam's total history, it remained the global superpower for 71% of time! Magnificent Mashallah..Atleast you can learn something... But hey, hating Islam is easier and you can have mental of how there would be a big war b/w Islam and "rest of world" LOL..and now people are realizing truth about Islam blah blah..while facts on the ground remains that Islam is growing globally and it is already the largest practiced faith in the world AND growing..Mashallah! Just this friday, a non-Muslim American girl converted to Islam here in my university mosque..Mashallah. You guys will keep hating, vilifying Muslims and Islams..while we'll keep working....silently and with focus. In the end, there'd be only one loser..and you already know who they will be hahahhaa...yeah, this shows the level of 'knowledge' you have. The event I'm talking about was wayyyyyyyyyyyy before Ummayad conquests etc. Muslims only sent an invitation to Islam to Byzantines...Asking "jizya" from byzantians? Are you crazy? haha.. It was the christians who started war with Muslims by assassinating their ambassador... But again, you have probably never taken any college-class in Islam or Islamic history. You have just read few missionary sites and you are happy to have found a new ally in your hate against Muslims.. Stop hating Muslims and do something constructive. Why you want to destroy the whole environment of this forum?

^ Yet again, a christian-missionary site that is well known to be anti-Islamic? Are you an idi*t that you can't see the bias? Or you just want to to go to such anti-Islamic sites and gather as much material as you can to throw at Muslims? Its probably you just don't want to learn but to rather mock by copy-pasting easily avaiable anti-Islamic, hateful propaganda material on the internet? I think its the later case.

Who told you that I think that? :blink2: Comparing our great figures is like children fighting "My dad is better than your dad". This is very childish.. I think that Prophet Muhammad, Guru Nanak, Jesus Christ, and Moses, Budha etc were all great, pious men of God. Comparing them doesn't make any sense.

:biggrin2: Complete and utter bs. Didn't Westerners use to say the exact same things about Jews? About how Jews are allowed to 'lie' to futher their hidden "agenda" of "taking over" the Western countries? Btw, do you expect a Christian missionary , who believes that christianity is THE only path to God and all others path lead to hell (Sikhism included), will be a good source to "learn Islam"? Do you want me share the works of christian missionaries regarding Sikhism and how they see Guru Nanak? I bet you won't find it "eye-opening" then :cool2: Btw, christian missionaries convert way more SIkhs to Christianity than any other faith converting Sikhs to their faiths...Ironically, even this forum knows that.. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/61008-growth-of-christianity-in-punjab/ And there are many other proofs. You expect these missionaries to be honest about other religions? huh? You need to get educated. Get some books on Islam from actual scholars (even if they are non-Muslims..doesn't matter. But must be "actual" scholars with credentials)..talk to Muslims etc. watching internet vidoes and making up your mind? Well, not a very good idea sir ji :respect: Btw, did he tell you that when early Muslims sent their ambassador to Byzantinians in order to invite them to Islam..Byzantinians in their arrogance of power assassinated the ambassador and sent the head back to Arabs? It was AFTER this event that conflict started b/w Arabs and Byzantinians....but wait, why will he tell you this? Afterall, his job is to keep you ignorant and use you for his purpose.... Lastly, conflict b/w Christianity/West and Middle-East/Islam is historical and global..You can expect such propaganda from the West since they are propagating against their only enemy that stops them from global triump...but a Sikh spreading Western propaganda? That doesn't make sense. There are more Muslims in the West than there are Sikhs in whole world. If Western populace started to believe this bs of 'stealth jihad' blah blah..then guess what? Muslims of West will die later..but before that, Sikhs would be completely eliminated. Do you think these racist hate Muslims only? and not you? lol ..You are in a for a big surprise brother.. Don't spread hate...specially against your own people. Punjabi Muslims, despite all the history, are much much closer to Sikhs than these Western,white christian missionaries. We eat same parathas, drink same lassi, love same saag, like same punjabans in punjabi suits, do same bhangra on our marriages, and watch same punjabi films of Neeru Bajwa..But still you are spreading propaganda against your fellow punjabis while siding with these white colonialists, who see our punjabi culture as "inferior" and "backward"? .... Sad.

Uhh..can you directly give the specific source flor the above mention statement? Then I'll be able to explain better that in what context that saying/verse was revealed etc. As far as I know, there is no general verse in Qur'an who commands about fighting non-Muslims. There are verses talking of war but that was in a specific context of Prophet Muhammad vs Qurish tribe wars...Give a specific source/quotation and then I'll be able to reply more specifically Inshallah..

Thanks veeray, and sorry bhai jaan but I haven't heard much of him. From the name you are describing "Karam Singh ji Hoti Mardan" ..Its seems like that the Baba ji used to reside in KPK and not punjab? Mardan is an area in KPK and hoti is a name of a clan settled there...