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  1. isingh1699 r u from longowal pind???? :p

    Haha no Veerji but originally family from southern Ludhiana district which adjoins Fatehgarh Sahib and Sangrur districts in which Longowal + Tohra villages are.

    Obviously Longowal village was originally called Kambohwal and is the famous ancestral village of Bhai Mani Singh and Bhai Dayala Ji.

    The important thing is that we analyse history fairly rather than with the Congress GOI terrorists accusing the victims of terrorism (Sikhs) of doing terrorism.

    Similarly, Sant Ji did not become shaheed for the sake of Congress and nor was Longowal Ji an anti-Sikh traitor as both Sants operated in tandem to get ASR instituted.

    Sadly, Congress have put out a lot of anti-Longowal propaganda out there which many 90's born youngsters have believed without question or simple analysis. I personally don't support the 1985 accord but I understand why Longowal signed given what had happened in 1984 and the Genocide of Sikhs Congress had planned.

  2. What does your religion say about something like this? Is there any punishment for someone who does something like this to someone? Is it okay to do something like this to someone who is not Sikh?

    Dear Diya, this animal is a dog not a Sikh. Like Mehtab Singh said tell your Sikh friends about this family and let them deal with him on your behalf. I'm very disappointed for you but look at this in the sense that that this dog was never worthy of your love for him. I'm sad that just because he was born into a background that people perceive to be Sikh he has dragged the name of our faith into the dirt. A person isn't Sikh on account of their background but on account of their actions alone. I hope that the actions of one man don't put you off believing in the equality of male and female genders in Sikhi. Having said that, you should never change your religion on account of somebody else to something you don't actually believe. It's sad that the one guy you ran into happened to be a dog but rest assured that this mistreatment you have suffered is not tolerated and will be punished if you report him to your Sikh friends or devout local Gursikhs at your local Gurdwara. The people on this forum will try their very best to help in any way we can. God bless

  3. ^ Firstly SikhKosh Veerji it's great to see that you actually give a damn about this issue and have some good idea's.

    Shame that those that set the agenda in the SGPC don't seem to have the same sincerity in pushing the Qaum forward as you.

    1. In terms of "playing it safe" your strategy is absolutely right but the inevitable consequence of that will be that Sikhi will be effectively restricted to 1% of India's land area in present day state of Punjab and virtually finished forever elsewhere in India. We're 7.7% in Panchkula (where the majority will never wish to be part of Khalistan) but even in Chandigarh we are only a one in five minority! So I agree with u that we have a lot of work to do and encouraging more people towards Sikhi is not going to be easy when are 1,250million people in India but only about 1.8% are classified Sikhs at the moment. And even within that tiny Sikh percentage we are stupid enough to divide ourselves within that on false boundaries such as biraderi, sehajdhari's declared non-Sikhs, Raagmala, Larrivaar, Triya Charitar etc

    2 and 3 we agree 100% upon

    4. Veerji I think our base will remain Punjab for the foreseeable future but we need to expand our horizons and just as Lahore was our capital before there's no reason why Khalsa Raj can't be over all of India (for the protection of all innocent people oppressed by the current Delhi bureacrats) with the capital at Delhi. Remember Veerji the Brahmins have lost control of India nowadays but when they ran it as the biggest caste and most over-represented they were only 4% of the population. There are about twice as many Brahmins as there are Sikhs nowadays. And imagine if more of them knew about Bhai Mati Das and Bhai Sati Das. If the Punjabi Sikhs destroy the concept of biraderi and re-integrate our lost sehajdhari non-Punjabi cousins back into the the Sikh Panth then we can become the biggest non-Muslim Qaum within India. From that point onwards it's anybody's game. Paradoxically, I think "bigger" targets might be easier to achieve than "smaller" targets in this sense, just like BasicsofSikhi Veer is saying.

    5. I think the Jatts of Haryana and Rajasthan are so badly against Sikhs that they are wary of this possibility. I'm convinced if Khalistan was ever obtained on a democratic mandate there wouldn't be an inch of Haryana, Rajasthan or Gujarat voluntarily ceded to it. Not Sri Ganganagar, not Panchkula nor any sea port in Kutch. If however, we can slowly but surely convince ordinary Hindu's that Sikhi is the Truth and will improve the lives of them and their society then we can achieve something far bigger than the Khalsa Raj of old as a pre-cursor to Sikhi going global for Sarbath Da Bhala + the Khalsa Panth protecting all.

  4. vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

    To label Sant Jarnail Singh Ji as a congressi is betraying Santji and his mission, this is done to try to take away the love the Sangat has for Sant ji,

    Agreed Veerji. Anyone that doubts Sant Ji's sincere 100% commitment to Sikhi is ignorant of the true facts. Sant Ji never once asked for Khalistan and opposed the murder of innocents, yet that was the propaganda Congress spread in order to win Hindutva votes.

    this is what the nangs do by saying why did Santji stay in Sri Harmandir Sahib etc?

    Don't forget these Nangs look up to Santa Sin and Poohla Sin and these alcohol and bhang addicted Nangs had also earlier wanted and fought for the restoration of Hindu Mahants at Sri Harmandir Sahib in the 1920's!

    There is a subtle campaign going on the make Santji into a uneducated and normal person by a section of our community for whatever reasons.

    I don't think it can succeed. However, we must be careful not to assume or assert that every political calculation made by Sant Ji was correct as the events of 1977-1997 clearly show that Congress "won" in their Genocide plan.

    Sant ji only stood against the akalis and sgpc due to the reasons we see today them 2 organisations have no gurmat or principles of Sikhi.

    As Jonny101 Veerji rightly stated, the Akali's who framed the Anandpur Sahib resolution (before Sant Ji was even on the scene) cannot be compared to today's Badal Dal. Jonny101 Veerji also rightly pointed out that Badal shed no tears when Sant Longowal was killed, however the murder of Longowal Ji was a 100% Congress Black Cats operation in which Badal (who was not as corrupt then) had no part (as far as I believe).

    When Sant ji fought the sgpc elections it was on the manifesto of best person for SIKHI ie the best person for the job may he be akali or congressi.

    Agreed. Just because someone is Congressi it does not disqualify them from being a sincere Sikh in contesting SGPC elections. However, open support of Congress (so that Indira could regain power) in the 1980 general elections by Damdami Taksal is what many Gursikhs object to. And this is why the Congressi agent label is thrown against Sant Ji. Particularly given that Gurbachana of the Nirankari's had killed 13 Gursikhs on behalf of Congress, for Congress to be supported by Damdami Taksal in 1980 general elections was truly unfortunate. Regardless of players in Damdami Taksal wrongly advising Sant Ji to back Congress in 1980, the more Sant Ji realised what Indira Gandhi's true intentions were the more Sant Ji realised that Congress was the biggest enemy rather than the Akali Dal. And so it proved by June 1984, Sant Ji was public enemy number 1 for Indira Gandhi (even though Congress were the only winners in the period 1977-1997).

    As for the sadh longowal he betrayed the quam

    Here, I totally disagree with your comment. You've been fed lies and propaganda. Longowal was called Sant by the people. He wasn't entrusted Damdama Sahib for nothing. His dedication to the Panth was 100% sincere and he never betrayed the Qaum. If you think foreseeing the Genocide of the Sikh Panth and wishing to save the lives of 150,000 innocent Sikh naujawaan was betrayal then that's down to you.

    when he took oath to fight for the Dharam Yudh Morcha

    Who led the campaign for civil disobedience prior to Sant ji?

    Therein also lies your answer to the accusation that he was anti-Sikh.

    and betrayed the Quam when he and the rest of the socalled akalis left Sri Harmandir Sahib

    Wrong Congress information used to discredit the Anandpur Sahib Resolution Akali's. They were told it was for negotiation to resolve the encirclement of Sri Harmandir Sahib by Brar's cowards. The Akali leadership saw what was on the horizon if the situation was not resolved peacefully. They knew that Sant Ji and our naujawaan would be made shaheed as the first step in the planned Genocide of the Sikh Qaum by Congress.

    and walkout over the dead bodies of the Sangat

    Propaganda (infiltrated by Congress) into our mindset ... just like how some Sikhs have begun to think alcohol is part of our culture.

    then shock hands with the tyrant rajiv Gandhi the killer of 1000s of Sikhs.

    Sometimes it can be necassary to shake hands with the killer of thousands of Sikhs ... in order to try prevent the death of 150,000 more innocent Sikhs as we clearly saw between 1985-1995. If you could shake hands with a terrorist holding a nuclear bomb ready to kill 150,000 people would u think ... "no let the 150,000 innocents die so long as i keep my oath in tact" or would you do what Gurmat orders and try save the lives of the 150,000? Even if in the process you lose your own life? Longowal was 100% pro-Sikh and gave eveything he could for the Panth.

    The singhs who killed longowal were Gursikhs Shaheed Bhai Jarnail Singh Halwara and Bhai Gian Singh (alive) this was done under the Command of the Panj Member Panthic Committee.

    False information yet again. Bhai Jarnail Singh Halwara is a legendary shaheed of the Panth who was falsely implicated by Congress as the one who conveniently "got" away. The murder of Longowal was a 100% Congress Black Cats operation with the added bonus for Congress that by falsely associating a sincere Gursikh like Shaheed Bhai Jarnail Singh Halwara with it, they had another convenient excuse to eliminate Bhai Jarnail Singh Halwara whilst proceeding with the Genocide of Sikhs by claiming that Sikhs rejected the ceasefire (accord) themselves and so it was open season on killing innocent Sikhs in the planned Genocide by Congress.

    Air India 182 bombing was done by Congress. The so-called Sikhs that claimed responsiblity for planning it with their Congress minders have been openly exposed as frauds who had nothing to do with it but claimed responsiblity in order to discredit the Sikh Panth. When there were 10,000 Congress-paid Hindu+Muslim killers who set Sikhs alight in Delhi do you think any true Gursikh would target Sant Longowal who led the civil disobedience campaign (before Sant Ji was involved) before taking care of Rajiv Gandhi and the other Delhi murderers? The answer is obvious. Don't let yourself be swayed by Congress lies dressed up as so-called pro-Panthic information. Because that's exactly the equation Zail Sin employed in 1980 through his Damdami Taksal friends at the time to weaken Sant Longowal and the Akali demand for implementation of Anandpur Sahib resolution.

    VJKK VJKF

  5. ^ SikhKosh Veerji i respect your opinions and reasoning why you hold those views.

    1. Agreed, the higher the Sikh percentage is in Punjab the better. But rather than achieving that by transferring all non-Punjab based Sikhs to Punjab and thereby by making the 99% land area of India a Sikh-free zone where it could become virtually impossible to establish Sikhi ever again after Khalistan, i believe a higher percentage of Punjabi's can become Sikh if we only explain the logic of one God, avoiding superstitious beliefs + encourage the HP population to visit Gurdwara's again more and then accept them as sehajdhari Sikhs as well as highlighting the deep link of Bihar with Sikhi. Many Bihari's in Punjab have become Sikh already but these are sadly the exception rather than the rule. If we start to encourage these non-Thakur caste Bihari's towards Sikhi and see them as new potential Sikhs then the whole demographic equation in Punjab will change.

    2. Agreed, given that Sikhi has effectively not grown much since the 1940's Rehat Maryada was adopted that defined Dr Ambedkar and crores of sehajdhari Sikhs as non-Sikhs, it now seems a tall order to even get 1% of UP, MP + Bihar to come to Sikhi as even that would be a phenomenal 3.75million people (new Sikhs). But if we can accept non-Punjabi sehajdhari's as Sikhs then there's no reason why as logic+education increases that hundreds of millions of people could wholesale simply reject the lies of Hinduism to embrace Sikhi even though it would be unrealistic to expect all of them to be Amritdhari.

    3. I think when the 1940's Rehat Maryada defined them as non-Sikh and when Congress made a concerted effort to break them away from Sikhi (by witholding benefits unless they declared themselves as Hindu) then there was little they could do when we ourselves were responsible for declaring them non-Sikhs in the first place. We can't cry over spilt milk now but what we can do is correct the mistake of defining sehajdhari's (especially non-Punjabi ones) as Hindu's.

    3.1a Agreed that Sikh percentage would go up in Punjab (but I believe it can go up via HP+Bihari's coming to Sikhi) and without wiping out and reducing the Sikh population outside of Punjab. If the Buddhists had taken this approach when they came under threat in India there would never be so many Buddhists in China, Japan, Thailand etc today. The Jewish ethnic religion + small area for Jews to all live in concept simply doesn't apply to us as we are a non-ethnic religion for the benefit of all humanity. Present day Eastern Punjab is only 14% of the land area of the original undivided Punjab. 99% of the Indian land area cannot be ethnically cleansed of Sikhs as the RSS would be happy to get us to voluntarily do that. Sikhi is the biggest thing they fear, were it ever to take hold amongst the Indian masses.

    3.1b Agreed but the solution to that is 100% of Sikhs should be shastardhari and tyaar bar tyaar at all times given 1947 + 1984.

    3.1c Agreed that bigger united Gurdwara's with one per area make sense rather than 25 competing Gurdwara per pind so that corrupt non-Sikh Mahants can have a monopoly on every biraderi-based golak but the human cost of a repeat of 1947 partition is incalculable. Cheaper and better for Sikhi's long term growth outside of Punjab to leave non-Punjabi Sikhs there where they are currently, rather than paying for the cost of re-settling 5 million plus non-Punjabi Sikhs back into the tiny part of original Punjab where we are overall a slight majority today. Forget about religion for a second but look at what the English, Scottish and Irish people achieved by leaving their tiny countries and settling in the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The money spent re-settling non-Punjabi Sikhs into Punjab would be far better spent translating Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj into all local Indian languages with audio tapes and radio stations in local non-Punjabi languages so that the message Congress has worked to hide away (with our elitist+ignorant assistance) can get out there.

  6. As we have seen from history of Punjab, we have always suffered due to our demographic problem. During misl period, Sikhs were about 5% of Punjab's population even though Sikhs were ruling it.

    During partition, the only reason why Punjab was broken up against overwhelming Sikh opposition is because Sikhs were a small minority of about 14% of Punjab. After the so called independence, Hindu separatists further divided Punjab into Himachal, Haryana, Chandigarh because again Sikhs did not form the majority. Punjab has always suffered because Sikhs were a minority. Had Sikhs been a majority or atleast half of Punjab's population, no way Punjab would have ever been partitioned in the first place.

    Great points Jonny101 Veerji. An important point related to the demographics issue is the importance of us not defining the sehajdhari Sikhs as Hindu's or non-Sikhs as the Congress party wishes us to do. As they know if they can succeed in popularising that definition amongst Sikhs ourselves then we will likely be left with the same 5% of the Punjab population in present day Eastern Punjab that we had during the Misls period (if our population is defined strictly as the minority of Amritdhari and Kesdhari Sikhs). Derawad followers are all set to be defined as non-Sikhs too in order to make us a minority.

    The next census is only 90 months away so there isn't much time left for us to get our act together and we need a renewal of the Lahore Singh Sabha and Babbar Akali spirit that was shown to free our Gurdwara's from Hindu Mahants in the 1920's.

  7. I don't think you live around black people..

    Bro I'm not LegalSingh but I personally do + my black friends are great people who respect Sikhi.

    They are much better than our so-called Punjabi Muslim brothers that are proud of the 1947 Genocide of Sikhs.

    How much do you think conspiracy it is to have random people say it is true, and have interviews?

    Granted, claims of murder of innocent Sikhs always do need investigation.

    Again, as much as people think it's racism if you see a muslim hiding something under his vest and you tackle him chances are it's a bomb.

    Granted, even ex-Muslims like Ali Sina have analysed terrorism statistics and agreed http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

    It's racism if you mis-trust a 'black' sikh,

    Agreed

    it's smartness if you realize that (a MINORITY of) black people are thugs and thieves out here.

    Bro, I think u missed out "a minority of" in the above sentence.

    The jails are packed with them,

    The effects of hundreds of years of Christian and Muslim slavery and genocide of Africans have that effect on people.

    Not that i'm excusing individual crimes (which should be punished) and cannot be excused particularly if of a violent nature.

    At the same time, the entire black culture is degenerate, think about how much our last name Singh or Kaur means to us.

    Gangster rap culture does not represent African culture (it was created by white record label execs to increase sales to white consumers) ... any more than drugs+alcohol represent "our" culture as Sikhi opposes both (but the top of the chain drug dealers from Lahore and New Delhi falsely present it as "our" culture and infiltrate music like that into our community)

    Black people are given their malaks name, think about what kind of position a people like that are in.

    Agreed. For Sikhs, when we keep any other name than Singh or Kaur we are falling culturally in a similar way too.

    You have to wake up, there's a reason blacks and muslims are considered a drain on the world,

    Neither the majority of honest blacks or decent ordinary Muslims are a drain on the world.

    Only a minority of criminals and the significan male minority of Muslim terrorists with faith in the Quran can be considered so.

    and why blacks are becoming muslims heavily in the USA/Europe.

    This is because the Muslims hide the fact that Prophet Muhammad owned multiple black slaves and thought of the slaves he bought and sold as inferior whilst Sikhs don't bother to explain that Sikhi opposes slavery and considers all humanity as equals.

  8. Instead of building them Gurdwaras in every village there in MP Bihar, try to shift them to Punjab or adjoining districts. Isn't that better on the long term?

    Veerji i disagree with u on this (amongst the 5% of things we might see differently). I truly believe that we should assist non-Punjabi Sikhs exacty where they presently are in the case of India. Whilst Afghan Sikhs clearly would be sensible to relocate to Doaba, the non-Punjabi Sikhs outside of Punjab in India are vital to growing Sikhi outside of Punjab. It's vital we don't assist the RSS dream of restricting Sikhi to Majhail+Malwai districts and destroying Sikhi outside of Punjab as RSS+GOI have in the main successfully done to crores of non-Punjabi sehajdhari Sikhs already.

    If there are 175 million Muslims outside of Punjab, then surely we have the capability to make more than that number in India realise that there is a far better ideology (called Truth) out there than a choice between slavery and the inhumane caste system or between pedophiles from Mecca and rapists+gamblers from Hastinapur in Mahabharat.

    There is plenty we can do. For a start we can put our money where our mouth is. There's 26,000 members on this site. I'm 100% certain that everyone is enraged that the Muslim murderer Muhammad Azhar Alam (who played such a prominent role in the Sikh Genocide on behalf of Indira Gandhi) is now converting thousands of poor Sikhs to Islam because they are too poor to get cancer treatment (which Alam's Black Cat Sena may well had a role in spreading too via uranium poisoning of wells in Sikh areas as the UN health reports show).

    So 26,000 people at an average of $100 each will raise over $2million for the education of Sikh youngsters via the Focus Punjab Education Project.

    So i think let's do this, some technical veer set up a gupt paypal donation counter on this thread and see where we can get to in response.

    Mehtab Singh Veerji to be administrator of the funds and responsible for their transfer to Khalsa Aid Focus Punjab Education Project.

    $2million can buy books for a million poor kids back in Punjab I'm quite sure so let's do this ...

    Mods Veerjio do u have the technical computer skills to do paypal link counter to show us how the SikhSangat forum is raising day by day? Sadly I don't and pressing post is the maximum I just about know how to manage! Khalsa Aid have been contacted to put the plan into motion by dealing with you direct to aim for the maximum target we can all raise.

  9. Sant ji was forced to tell Sikhs to defend themselves after police forces repeatedly tortured and even killed innocent nonviolently protesting sikhs. Before the level of violence against protesters was ratcheted up Sant ji would tell people to not resist arrest and to remain nonviolent. Afterwards he told them to get away and not get arrested by any means necessary. The government controlled newspapers spread propaganda against the movement and the actions of the government itself backed him into a corner. However, he very clearly, in front of the entire world, followed to the letter Guru ji's hukum to only raise the sword after all other means had failed. He exhausted all peaceful means. Even up until the final battle he was willing to negotiate.

    SunSingh Ji i 100% agree with what you have stated above. What I strongly disagree with is the terming of Longowal as a "betrayer" without the realisation that Longowal was a pragmatic moderate realist who wished to avoid the subsequent Genocide of the Sikh Panth especially after having seen what Congress were capable of in 1984.

    The book rightly dispels false propaganda against Sant Ji and I support that aspect of the book, however, it perpertuates this "traitor" allegation against Longowal Ji and nobody south of Ludhiana will believe it. If one book is used to show that Longowal Ji was a traitor then there are a hundred books showing how Zail Sin and Damdami Taksal openly co-operated in the 1980 elections. So it's wrong to label someone that was killed by the Congress Black Cats as a traitor to the Panth - unless one views the period 1977-1997 as some sort of victory for the Panth.

    Like I said please don't view today's Badal Dal as being of the same level of honesty as older Akali Dal Leadership that initiated the campaign for the Anandpur Sahib Resolution ...

    Pyare Veer 13Mirch i totally disagree with the implication of your comment above.

    The Akali's with Longowal Ji as leader who wanted implementation of Anandpur Sahib called Damdami Taksal agents of Congress in 1980 when Sant Ji and Damdami Taksal openly campaigned for Congress in those elections ... so the Akali's of that time (who were not as corrupt as today's Badal Dal) can't be blamed for opposing those who campaigned for Congress in 1980. Longowal was called Sant Ji by the people (not by himself) for what he achieved for them and the simplicity of his life.

    By the time of 1984 however, the Sikh Panth was united that Anandpur Sahib resolution must be implemented and Longowal+Bhindrawale were two sides of the same coin (who had sincere respect for each other), with Sant Longowal who called Bhindrawale Ji "our stave to beat the government" representing the pragmatic moderate political discussion approach and Sant Bhindrawale (though he was dedicated to peace) representing the slightly more militant approach. The coin itself is one and will always remain one (despite different visions of how to get to where we as a Panth need to go). Both shades of opinion were 100% pro-Sikh. Even today, all angles of the Panth whether Canadian or Indian, whether sehajdhari or Amritdhari, whether pro-meat or anti-meat etc can contribute meaningfully to uplifting the Panth. The "stick and the carrot" as employed by Longowal+Sant Ji in tandem in 1984 is a valid political approach, as u have heard used by the Americans I'm sure.

    It's important to remember that Longowal and Tohra were told that they would get the chance to negotiate for a peaceful conclusion to the encirclement of Sri Harmandir Sahib by Brar's cowards ... so it wasn't a case of how youth born in the 1990's have been fed lies that Longowal + Tohra Sahib walked out as traitorous cowards. Anyone from south of Ludhiana knows that Longowal and Tohra (who also disagreed on strategy between themselves as well) were never for a second anti-Sikh sellouts. They were Sikh and true to the cause in the manner they saw best. They foresaw that a military attack on Harmandir Sahib and a subsequent Genocide of the Sikh Panth (as given in the taster of what Congress was capable of at the start of November 1984) would leave our Panth in a very weak position subsequently. We see that clearly today in terms of drugs, abortion clinics, derawadi, you name it. Each and every Sikh knows that after what GOI did to us in June 1984 we can never have any real connection with the terrorists from Delhi. However, at the same time we have to maintain a sense of reality. When forces one hundred times stronger numerically and weapons wise are being faced, with innumerable traitors doing their bit for the enemy, then we as a Panth need to take the cautious approach and build our strength from the foundations upwards (not from the roof downwards). The foundations include the defeat of alcohol in Punjab, the defeat of drugs, the defeat of biraderi, the defeat of infanticide and the defeat of illiteracy. Back in 1984 there were 500 million odd more Hindu's than Sikhs in absolute numbers. Today there are 1,000 million more Hindu's than Sikhs in absolute numbers and the USA backing India as an unbroken entity in which to trade (as a counterweight to China) ... then we need to get our foundations strong before vocalising what we ALL want in our hearts.

    The fundamental fact is that in 2013 the history of 1977-1997 conclusively proves that Longowal's vision of how to get the successful implementation of the Anandpur Sahib resolution was correct compared to the other approach advocated by Damdami Taksal. Not a single Sikh in 2013 can say in any way that we as a Panth were victorious in the period between 1977-1997. Indira Gandhi was politically defeated in 1977 and it was only her + Zail Sin cooking up the lie that all Sikhs were Khalistani terrorists that revived her political fortunes so she could attack Harmandir Sahib to grab the Hindutva votes.

    If we as a Panth can realise that two Sikhs equally committed to the Panth in their own way can have different visions of how to reach our same shared obvious goals then we will make greater progress than by labelling everyone who we disagree with as a traitor or RSS supporter or Congress stooge.

  10. I honestly cant see the common sikh be able to do anything worthwhile.

    Veerji there is plenty we can do. For a start we can put our money where our mouth is. There's 26,000 members on this site. I'm 100% certain that everyone is enraged that the Muslim murderer Muhammad Azhar Alam (who played such a prominent role in the Sikh Genocide on behalf of Indira Gandhi) is now converting thousands of poor Sikhs to Islam because they are too poor to get cancer treatment (which Alam's Black Cat Sena may well had a role in spreading too via uranium poisoning of wells in Sikh areas as the UN health reports show).

    So 26,000 people at an average of $100 each will raise over $2million for the education of Sikh youngsters via the Focus Punjab Education Project.

    So i think let's do this, some technical veer set up a gupt paypal donation counter on this thread and see where we can get to in response.

    Mehtab Singh Veerji to be administrator of the funds and responsible for their transfer to Khalsa Aid Focus Punjab Education Project.

    $2million can buy books for a million poor kids back in Punjab I'm quite sure so let's do this ...

  11. Veerji You got some good ideas there. The SGPC is too corrupt to ever set up a charity as you suggested. The SGPC is just a glorified gurdwara committee which talks much but does very little. Only a takeover of the SGPC by Panthic minded individuals can lead to the SGPC being put back on track. Until then my suggestion is to avoid giving any money to this bloated corrupt organisation. If you are going to India then whenever you go darshan of a historic Gurdwara in Punjab then rather than matha tek rs 100 or rs 500 then just give rs 10 and the rest of the money you were going to matha tek, give it to an organisation that you know is doing positive work in Punjab.In this way rather than relying on the SGPC to use your money in the right manner, you have control over how your money is being spent.

    Proactive Veerji i'll be honest none of these concepts are mine, they are just what i have cobbled together from more learned elders like yourself who care about the future of Sikhi. I hear what u are saying about today's Badal controlled SGPC being too corrupt to put this amount of trust and responsibility in at this moment in time. But my ardaas every day is that we have one large united Panthic charity controlled from the Akal Takht which is open and transparent due to too many honest Khalsa sevadars + accountants watching out that not a single rupee is stolen/wasted. Becuase i feel a lot of the excellent charities we have are too focussed in nature for example, on the widows of 1984, Sikh Prisoners, looking after useless old buildings ... while Sikhs convert and can't get operations, or doing eye camps etc and that we need a total balanced allocation by Sikh scholars as to how much should go towards ensuring education for our youth, how much on uplifting poor Sikhs, how much on cancer treatment + life saving operations, how much towards parchaar which always must be in tandem with practical seva ... as well as obviously looking after political prisoners welfare and the situation of Sikh Genocide widows+families that SOPW and seva84 do brilliantly, for example.

    4a. Replace Bhaiya migrant labour force with Sikligar, Lobana, Satnami, Johari Sikhs. Start with your house in Punjab (replace the bhaiye with Sikh workers).

    5a. Don't give money in Punjab Gurdwaras but give to the poor Sikhs.

    About Khalistan itself, I feel the views expressed in the video are rather childish.

    1. Landlocked? Its no problem, there are over 40 landlocked nations. Besides Khalistan does extend to the Arabian Sea (Kachh area), the most accepted maps do show sea acces.

    2. ''600 Million Harijans'' into Sikhi? We can't even take care of Punjab, lets focus on that first then we can turn to the rest of India. We lost a oppertunity once with BR Ambedkar though. Also during Singh Sabha movement alot of Sikhs in Tamil Nadu converted but they reverted back when there was no support from the Qaum. We should learn from Sulley in the aspect of respecting and encouraging new Sikhs.

    3. Lets even say the Dalits convert to Sikhi and India is Sikh majority, but you will still have problems with the different ethnicities (Tamils) and Muslim extremists in Kashmir, UP etc.

    4. We need our historical home back - atleast the remaining portion in India.

    5. We will have a system like the Jewish 'Aaliyah', repatriating Sikhs from other countries (esp Pak Afghan and parts of India not in Khalistan).

    6. Ever thought of city-state status for the Takhts outside?

    SikhKosh Veerji i agree with a lot of what u say but I just wanted to give a slightly different slant on your views.

    4a. Excellent idea about giving poor Sikhs opportunities in Punjab (but they can be crucial in expanding sikhi outside of Punjab if we assist them) but given that Takht Sri Patna Sahib is in Bihar why can't we educate these Bihari's about what Sikhi represents. Given how badly the non-Thakur castes are treated there surely Sikhi is like a breathe of fresh air if we can treat the honest percentage of Bihari workers humanely, encourage them to come to Gurdwara's and provide them audio tapes about Guru Gobind Singh Ji in their own Bihar+UP dialects.

    5a. Our Gurdwara's are meant to do exactly what you say should be done by us directly (helping poor Sikhs and other poor people) ... it's so sad to find myself agreeing with you that if a person has the direct contacts then direct contribution might be more effective ... but let's try shake up SGPC on this that if they don't separate SGPC's charitable arm from Badal interference then literally the Panth will begin to threaten to withold golak donations and donate directly to organisations where there is total transparency of where funds are used and there is real tangible benefit from the seva being done.

    On the Khalistan part of your post I disagree a bit more (not to disagree for the sake of fighting but just to put my alternative view to u respectfully as a Veer clearly committed to the Panth)

    1. Landlocked geography obviously does not prevent nationhood but most who insist on Khalistan only being modern day Indian Punjab accept that that there would be no sea access through Gujarat or Rajasthan. And a lot of people don't realise that we are now a minority in Doaba.

    2. Veerji i understand what u mean when u say let's worry about Punjab before thinking or dreaming of a majority of poor Indians coming into Sikhi. But sadly take a look at the biraderi-based politics in Punjab which are so entrenched that it's actually easier for fresh people to come to Sikhi from outside of Punjab rather than win back the hearts of those that have been encouraged and poisoned by the RSS+casteists to turn their Gurdwara's into Mandirs and discard Gutka Sahibs for photo's of Dera rapists that ask their followers to vote Congress.

    3. The day that India becomes a majority Sikh state it will be an inevitability that Khalsa Raj can one day become global for the protection and equality of all humanity, so when we get to that level of strength we will equipped to face down all problems rather than struggling as we are today.

    4. When some Sikhs think that Khalsa Raj effectively has no right to return on the Pakistan side of Punjab due to the Genocide and ethnic cleansing the Punjabi Muslims did against us in 1947 then it's an encouragement to GOI that all they have to do is make us a minority in Eastern Punjab (which they are potentially within a few years of achieving if we don't act hard now) and the Sikhs will give up claims to Eastern Punjab too as many already have realised the demographics in Doaba mean the people there won't agree to Khalistan leaving only Majha and Malwa left. Is that fair and/or logical? And surely we need to expand our horizons beyond a tiny area the size of Israel when control of India could be there for the taking if we only could effectively communicate to non-Sikhs that Sikhi is for their benefit and all of humanity rather than Hinduism+Islam which benefit the few slavemasters and pedophiles and casteists at the top.

    5. Judaism is an ethnic religion so that's why they need an "aaliyah" to the land they beleive God gave them. Sikhi is a global faith for all of humanity. For Sikhs the whole world is ours, so the idea of people leaving countries or states to be repatriated to Punjab is an idea I don't like. As our religion is not Punjabi. It literally is for the whole of humanity. At one time there were more non-Punjabi sehajdhari Sikhs than all different types of Punjabi Sikhs put together.

    6. For me, I don't really like that idea that Sikhs would be restricted to city state pockets of Sri Hazur Sahib and Sri Patna Sahib but the majority of Bihari's and people from U.P and south India/Maharashtra would remain outside of Sikhi just as they do currently ... with Sikhs needing visa's to do darshan at Sri Bangla Sahib, Sri Patna Sahib, Sri Rakab Ganj Sahib and Sri Hazur Sahib.

  12. thanks for the video.. I really want to work with Khalsa Aid but I am just a student now... Maybe when I will have a degree in my hand and some qualifications and money of course I would love to work with them

    That's right Khalsa Ji and United Sikhs are doing a great job too. I don't know if you are studying medicine but if in the future you are saving people's lives in California and sending daswand out of that onwards it can arguably be even more beneficial than losing a year out of well paid work in order to work with them. It's all about what achieves the most positive end result. But if all our Diaspora youth from Gurdwara's were sent to do seva "conscription" as the young lady below has voluntarily done, at a stroke we could cut alcohol and drug consumption and depression amongst Diaspora youth.

    If only the SGPC could create a standalone charity whose funds could not accessed by Badal Dal our Qaum could flood such an organisation with daswand I'm sure.

  13. ^^^ True SikhKosh Veerji i think me and u are on exactly the same page about the threats that face our Qaum. As Unity within the Panth is part of the solution and fundamental if we are going to fightback against our enemies' attempts to eradicate us. Up until the 90's the Genocide was open and in our face. Now it's switched to more silent methods of flooding Punjab with drugs, alcohol, abortion clinincs, dera's and the funding of Abrahamic religions which openly promote slavery and discrimination as well as the abuse of pre-pubescent girls. In each case, fraudsters from what we mistakenly reagrd as "our" community profit (today's new age KP Gills) =smugglers, dealers, corrupt police, corrupt abortion doctors, brewers, pub owners, dera pakhandi's, biraderi golak controllers + those that convert for financial reward.

    In relation to the 19 soccer players, in all fairness I think this was in reaction to the innocent African student who got beaten into a comatose state. Then Punjab police slapped charges on the whole team. But make no doubt about - no Sikh can support any criminal for politically correct reasons. That's why slaveowners and pedophiles like Prophet Muhammad have got to be exposed repeatedly to ram the message home to people who thought that all religions are equally for the welfare of mankind. The Christians and Muslims have killed hundreds of millions of innocent people and slaughtered billions of animals and yet there are too many Sikhs who think all beliefs whether Nazi or racist or Hindu or Muslim or Christian are just the same as Sikhi. And when our own people believe this no wonder they convert or marry out.

    You're totally right SikhKosh Veerji that our enemies want to push our population below 50% in Punjab so i think the key is all of us ordinary Sangat working together as a united front as our enemies are keen to divide us ... (whilst respecting differences of opinion that all of us may have from time to time on various side issues).

  14. 1. Look up on google before crying about 'racism'. If you ever been to Punjab or follow news you would know what these students been doing. They killed a Mizo student, last month robbed someone (reported, dozen cases go unreported), resisted arrest from police for hours and snatched cameras from media persons, its caught on tape go look it up. We don't need more gandh in Punjab.
    No one is racist against Africans here, but the students at Lovely Uni are definitely doing more bad than good for Punjab. Our people go and work hard in Africa and they employ them people, they don't go there to rob and kill so stop comparing. Funny how you turned it into a race issue when no one talks of 'racial things'.
    2. Sikhs are not Hindus but sided with them in 1947, get your share from them. Asking Pak area for Khalistan is a ploy of the Indian Govt to lessen the support Khalistanis get from Pakis (not that I care).

    Bro i did not accuse u of being racist but yeah i definitely do believe we are getting caught up in sensationalist racist media hype. I totally condemn the Arab Muslims from Sudan killing the innocent Mizoram student for being a kaffir. These Muslims that murdered the innocent student from Mizoram deserve to get the death penalty for it. I don't think Indian courts are known for leniency and I don't think the Indian prison guards will treat these Arab Muslim murderers from Sudan kindly.

    But let's say if there's one murderer out of 10,000 foreign students in Punjab who all pay at least 5 lakhs a year on their university courses. That's a minimum of 50,000 lakhs of revenue coming into the Punjab economy and which in turn makes those universities more financially viable for our own Sikh graduates to graduate from.

    So economically there's no argument - the African students benefit the Punjab economy and on the whole are law abiding.

    If a small minority such as these two Arab Muslim murderers are not then Punjab Police and prison system are there to soon straighten out the odd person.

    The whole media reporting, however, is clearly racist in its overtones. And its trying to copy how Punjabi Muslims and Saudi Arabians think of and treat blacks. Sikhs are not racist by definition, as we recognise all humanity as one, so we should be extra careful not to get swept away in alarmist reporting and sensationalism which is now sinking to the depths of accusing African students who come to Punjab to get an education (and boost our economy in the process) of being participants in a new Genocide of the Sikh Qaum by making animal noises in the night ... and then when Sikhs go and out and investigate ... these African death squads go out and exterminate them ... LOL ... seriously bro this stuff is too ludicrous to be believable!

    Wrong is wrong, stop being so politically correct that you ruin your own Qaum.

    Bro i agree with u - wrong is indeed wrong. Sikhs suffer brutality from the Indian courts and prison system for no reason, so I have no doubt that any isolated examples of troublemakers like the Arab Muslim murderers will get their dues either by the death penalty which they deserve or a life sentence rotting in prisons just like how many innocent Sikh political prisoners have done. I don't believe in political correctness. What's wrong action or wrong beliefs we have to condemn rather than ignorantly saying that ideologies that support slavery, pedophilia, racism, discrimination and hatred of women are in any way equal to Sikhi because they simply are not.

    As for the the areas of Punjab, currently in Pakistan, out of which Sikhs were ethnically cleansed and exterminated out of, I think that says it all about where the future is headed. Now that we're ethnically cleansed out of Pakistan some Sikhs feel we have no right to live freely under Khalsa Raj on the Pakistan side of the border. The inevitable consequence of such an attitude is that the GOI will try make us a minority on the Indian side too so that we surrender all rights on the side where our population is more. In Doaba we've already been turned into a minority and hence why the main target area for Christian and Muslim missionaries is around Majha and Malwa areas.

  15. This is a serious issue. Sikhs need to finally open up their eyes to what is going on. Sikhs converting to Christianity and now Islam! what is going on? What can we do do counter this? any ideas?

    Simple Veerji. We've become too soft and too weak to realise that sometimes it's better to expose the truth about an ideology rather than letting it fester out of control into the lives of innocent people eating everything in its path (thanks to our convenient mew age mantra's that like all religions are equally the Truth?? As if!)

    Let those people decide to leave Sikhi if they he want to. After all if they try to leave Islam the punishment for doing that is death (for apostasy).

    But provide this man the info he needs to make an informed judgement and make sure like Proactive Veerji said that he doesn't commit child abuse by forcing his children to convert and forcing them to be circumcised against their will because slaveowners like Abraham and Muhammad believed in the pagan belief that circumcised penises enhance sexual pleasure (as God apparently wants all men to be circumcised, otherwise we all will end up in Hell if we don't follow these words claimed to be from God).

    Sikhi believes in the equality of all.

    Islam, The Quran and Prophet Muhammad repeatedly state that slaves are inferior to their lighter-skinned Arab masters.

    Sikhi believes that only our actions count for what our lives amount to.

    Islam believes that so long as you believe in Prophet Muhammad + all his actions it's a free ticket to paradise and the reward of 72 light-skinned, big bosomed virgin sex slaves (as well as youths of perpetual freshness as a bonus).

    Guru Nanak at the age of 54 worked tirelessly to feed the poor and spread Gurmat like Naam Japo ... Kirat Karo ... Vand Shako

    Prophet Muhammad at the age of 54 was busy with consummating his marriage to a 9year old child Aisha and selling human beings for financial profit as well as receiving messages from Allah that Muslims are allowed to rape their slavegirls as stated in the Quran.

    If they still feel Islam is for for them then let them believe in Prophet Muhammad. Focus on protecting our kids from being dragged into the cult too and suffering inhumane torture and mutilation by having circumcision forced upon them.

  16. If an Amrit Sanchar is conducted with perfection as per Puratan Gurmat Bibek Maryada and Puratan standards....then it is not the Amrit Sanchar which "fails to elevate avastha".......

    Kabeer, what can the True Guru do, when His Sikhs are at fault?

    The blind do not take in any of His Teachings; it is as useless as blowing into bamboo. ||158|

    DSLG Veerji i totally agree apart from that I'd say that the fault is 100% down to those manmukhs who are not committed to the true Amritdhari ideals when outwardly taking Amrit in order to further their own ends. Those that don't live by Amritdhari standards are patits, so that small minority people have encountered with shortcomings are patits. The true Amritdhari's are always truthful in how they live, they live without hate, are imbued with pyar and always focussing on how to combat the 5 chors rather than engrossed by them. Prakash Kumar Badal and KP Kumar-Gill can never be considered Amritdhari's.

  17. 1. African students help Punjab economy? How? By stealing? By thugging and beating up people? Google it and you'll find them killing students for a football match, refusing to be arrested by police, manhandling police officers and media.

    2. In 1947, Muslims got Pak and Hindus got India. We came to India with our share, so why bother Pakis now if our share is with Hindustanis?

    1. Yes bro these African students pay lakhs to get an education in Punjab which is superior to what they can get in Africa. By paying the lakhs they do to study in Punjab, they contribute to the economy and assist the same academic institutions to provide further education to our own people.

    The strereotypes about wealthy African kids who get to study abroad stealing, thugging + beating up people are ones that are Punjabi Muslim brothers usually come out with. Sikhs are not racist. We respect all so we shouldn't get caught up in the racial propaganda by Muslims like in Jalandhar where a group of Uttar Pradesh Muslims and a Hindu cop's son beat an innocent African student into a virtually comatose state. They then spread lies about African students killing Indians in a football match. Does anybody seriously believe that a couple of African students would make it out of such an environment alive? The stereotypes about Africans are what is common in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Yemen. In Kenya, Sikhs are regarded with respect for the charity work they have done for local Africans as can be seen at Makindu Gurdwara, Kenya.

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/cheat-sheet/desperate-father-s-plea-works-punjab-orders-inquiry-on-yannick-case-240348?h_related_also_see

    2. Sikhs are not Hindu's bro. We never accepted the loss of Sri Nankana Sahib and the birthplace of our faith. The Muslims and the Hindu's take all the land and we're supposed to rejoice at being handed a tiny piece of the original Punjab? All of India and Pakistan should come under Khalsa Raj in order to save the inhabitants of those two brutal states from genocide, slavery, discrimination and oppression as happened in the 1st half of the 19th century under Khalsa Raj.

  18. Can you explain to me why Longowal as assassinated then??

    Yes Veerji it was 100% a Congress Black Cats operation. Via the accord it would have been hard for Congress to justify the cold-blooded Genocide of over 150,000 innocent Sikhs between 1985-1995. The Congress plan was to wipe out the Sikh Panth. That much is clear from June 1984 and November 1984 and with a ceasefire signed (via the accord) even Congress would have found it hard to implement the Genocide of Sikhs between 1985-1995. So they got their Black Cats to as usual claim responsibility on the name of some fictitious supposedly terrorist pro-Khalistan front (bankrolled by Congress) so that they could allege that it was the Sikh Panth who broke the accord and continued on the imaginary killing spree against millions of Hindu's (when all innocent Hindu's killed were by the GOI's own Black Cats).

    By the way the same pro-Congress organisation that killed Longowal issued threats to the Sikh Panth that all who attended Longowal's funeral would be regarded as patits and traitors. The response from ordinary Sikhs who knew Longowal as a man who truly believed in Sarbath Da Bhalla and saving the Qaum from the Genocide we suffered between 1985-1995 was that over 300,000 people attended the funeral. Sant Longowal operating in the political field (not out of choice but by popular demand and recognition given his record of seva to the community) was not perfect. Mistakes can be made by all human beings. But for people to accuse him of being an anti-Sikh traitor in 2013, 28years after his shaheedi is a clear cut distortion of actual history and actual facts. Luckily all of India is beginning to understand that Sant Ji was a galant defender of human rights for all. Similarly, we need to explain the truth about Longowal Ji being likewise a sincere Sikh who lived a sincere+humble life and who ultimately sacrificed his life for the Panth (albeit that the two great Sants had different visions and different methodolgies of achieving peace, equality + freedom for all).

  19. I gotta say this doesn't seem credible to me at all.

    I agree with u Aman Ji. What DK (not Hammertime Veer) are alleging is that instead of the usual killers of Sikhs like Gill, Saini and Brar this time round hordes of poor African students (that help the economy of Punjab) are going into Sikh villages and killing all the inhabitants. It's an insult to the true Genocide we have faced + are facing right now today at the hands of drugs, abortion clinics, alcohol, biraderi + derawadi + illiteracy + cancer that maybe DK ought to shift their focus towards nowadays.

    It goes without saying that ALL Sikhs should be shastardhari and tyaar bar tyaar at all times as crying wolf when it hasn't happened will leave our people more ill-prepared in the event of anything along the lines of 1947+1984 re-occuring.

  20. Thank you for correcting me on that.

    1. Additionally why does it say in sikhi we shud respect islam when mohammed apparently did all these things?

    2. There must be certain aspects within the quaran which are making people turn to islam, not that im ever going to do that myself.

    1. Bro it goes without saying that our Guru Sahib teaches us to respect all of humanity regardless of what religion they follow. We give respect to those who deserve it on the basis of their actions. So if a kind doctor was born to Muslim parents but saves life after life day after day, am I better than him? Of course not! So the ADHERENTS of Islam and Hinduism and Judaism and Christianity do not deserve our automatic disrespect. Similarly, fragments of God's Truth exist within Hinduism, Islam and Christianity etc so we can't hate on everything about their religions if it is in line with Gurmat in isolated examples. But our Guru Sahiban never hesitated from opposing the slavery, pedophilia, inequality, discrimation and disrespect for women that was propagated by Prophet Muhammad + The Quran.

    2. The Quran's unique selling point is that supposedly it was authored by God. That God called up Prophet Muhammad on his mobile or whatever they had back then (i think it was called the Angel Gabriel) and told Muhammad that he could have more than four wives but all other Muslims were restricted to a maximum of four, that God told Muhammad that 20% of profits from wars against kaffirs must go to him personally and that slavery was cool and so is raping slavegirls and all the other violent things that the Quran says. Another attraction of Islam is that it is supposedly a monotheist religion. Guess which peaceful religion has never properly explained to the World that it is the True Monotheist faith whose whole basis is Ik Onkaar? There is more than one route to merge with God so we respect all good people who through their good actions reach the same destination (no matter what they might believe or have been brainwashed to believe since birth) but we owe it to humanity not to peddle the lie that all ideogies are equally beneficial to mankind. Racism is not as good-racism. Slavery is not as good as anti-Slavery. But sadly its become popular amongst Sikhs to say that all ideologies are worthy of equal praise and respect.

    Bro don't worry about what the Muslim drug dealers and groomers are doing in the UK. Focus on what you can achieve in your life in order to be a positive asset to the Panth as a lawyer, as a businessman who can support charities or as a community organiser to stop our youth getting mixed up in drugs or whatever your particular skills are. The bottom line is Sikhi is all about Sarbath Da Bhalla. Sikhi is the Truth and ideogies which condone supporting slavery, discrimination and pedophilia need to be actively exposed so that people can make an educated decision whether the World is better off the national anthem of Sarbath Da Bhalla or bowing to an Arabic Terrorist Empire run from Mecca. For too long people have said that Hindu's should be good Hindu's and pray to statues of elephant god Ganesh and keep believing in the caste system and Nazi supporters should just be good Nazi's and try to emulate Hitler's positive attributes. We need to educate ourselves and others that Guru Sahib presented a better philosophy for world peace and happiness than Hitler and people like Rishi Manu who oppress Dalits in his so-called holy book ever did.

  21. isingh1699 thanks for your kind words, it is important to spread the word on this issues as much as possible. Its the biggest holocaust to have faced the Sikh nation in the past 200 years and we must get justice. Many are happy to talk about the atrocities of Mughals and Afghans but won't mention what has happened recently and even happening now. We all know that Indian Political parties and Govt machinery were involved together with their proxies in the Sikh community either directly or indirectly. Hence the hesitation we see now to come out and support the conviction of the murderers from Sikh organisations and religious figures. However the Shaheeds will be victorious.

    Absolutely Veerji it's up to each and every one of us on this site to keep campaigning for justice in the best ways we can individually and collectively. Sadly the delay has been so long that when the truth of the Congress Genocide of Sikhs is recognised throughout the World it might be too late for many families of the Sikh Genocide victims. But the fact that the NDP are taking Surjit Singh's safety seriously in Ottawa shows that political participation and pressure by Diaspora Sikhs is crucial.

    I disagree with you that 1984-1995 was the worst Genocide of the last 200 years, as the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs killed off fully 25% of Sikhs. In other words Indira Gandhi would have had to killed 3.75million of the 15million Sikhs in India in 1984 in order for it be as bad. So the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947 was around 15-30 times worse in terms of the suffering and damage inflicted upon the Sikh Panth. Even in absolute numbers the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs resulted in a far greater death of Sikhs from a Sikh Panth population base that was around three times smaller in 1947. 31years after 1947 we forgot all about that Genocide and the focus shifted to the Nirankari murders of our 13 innocent Gursikhs. So the fact that this time 29years later we still haven't forgotten Indira Gandhi + her son's Genocide of the Sikhs is a positive. It should also be remembered that the first two Islamic Genocides of Sikhs resulted in over half the Panth's population being killed, thus the Mughals and Afghans killed the equivalent of 15million plus Sikhs who are walking around today (in those times).

    Justice has to be delivered to the Sikh victims of the GOI Genocide of Sikhs as they can never stop you and all the other committed Sikhs like you whose blood boils thinking at how the innocents of our Panth suffered at these terrorist enemies hands. But alongside the campaigning for justice for those victims of terrorist Indira Gandhi, we can't take our eye off the ball of mainly self-inflicted (but GOI-applauded) genocides taking place today of Sikh girl babies at abortion clinics, of Sikh youth via drugs, of Sikhs via poverty, hunger and cancer due to illiteracy and inadequate health provision for all Sikhs (including shaheed parivaars). So I think the best way to publicise the terrorist actions of GOI (and the GOI's innocent victims who were killed simply for being Sikh) is by linking it to seva that is being done right now today to stop Sikhs being killed off via other methiods in 2013. The more we fund our own charities like Khalsa Aid, United Sikhs, Pingalwara the more we can achieve for the long term and keep the knowledge of the Genocide against our Qaum as a motivation to turn all of India into a Khalsa Raj in the future where the Khalsa Panth can guarantee no genocides of innocents ever take place again.

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