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Ok having seen the video they might not be Nazi's but i can't tell there background. But no criminal would be that stupid as to leave their personalised baseball on the scene. How many mark a bat with the Khanda on it or put there surname on it. The windows broken might be at the Hindu temple but this is a 100% anti-Sikh attack.
Just like air india 182 was done against Sikhs (as the most number of victims) to diss the Panth (with GOI agents doing the bombing)
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I have my suspicions about what we were prior to being Sikhs, and I'll tell you it rhymes with "Uslim".
My ancestors must've been the ones that saw the light. :lol2: Fair play to them for that!
Nothing to be ashamed of bro. The first generation of Sikhs in Guru Nanak Dev Ji's lifetime were originally 50% Muslim and 50% Hindu. Plus Bhai Mardana Ji.
It's only when the Mughals got really scared of so many Muslims becoming true montheists in Sikhi that Hindu converts to Sikhi began to outnumber Muslim converts to Sikhi particularly after the Shaheedi of Guru Arjan Dev Ji because Prophet Muhammad and Islam say that anyone who dares to leaves this Arabic religion of Islam should be killed.
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I suspect it was done by a couple of Nazi kids.
The way to deal with it is for the BC Sikh Panth to stand guard tonight at all non-Sikh religious places like Mandirs, Mosques, Churches, Synagogues to show others what Sikhi is really about (rather than what our enemies want to show it as).
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iSingh is on crusade against Islam
U betcha bro it's the duty of all human beings to oppose slavery, pedophilia, rape and discrimination that Islam allows through the Holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad's lifestyle (Hadiths)
...such obsession and inferiority-complex .. :lol2:
HAHAHA. Sikhs don't have an inferiority complex. Even if we are outnumbered 100 to 1 we don't fear falsehood. Sikhs only fear Allah/God. Many Punjabi's in Pakistan fear Prophet Muhammad. I encourage you not to use Prophet Muhammad as your role model.
1 in 4 Turks support honor killings? LMAO! What was the sample of the survey and where was it held?
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/episode-guide/series-2009/episode-3
Yes the young Turkish girls who wish to leave the Holy Quran's sexism and violence behind for equality are being oppressed by a significant minority of older supporters of Islam there who still support death for leaving Islam or marrying a non-Muslim husband.
Anyways, keep copy-pastingU betcha bro. Wherever you present a false peaceful picture of Islam (through "al-taqqiyah") then it's the duty of monotheists to oppose those who make a Slaveowner like Prophet Muhammad a (closet) partner of Allah, especially when there is not much we can learn from a man who when he was in his fifties sexually consummated his marriage with his 9 year old favorite wife (Aisha).
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The Mirpuri's speak there own dialect of Punjabi and think that Sikh Punjabi's and all non-Muslims are inferior as the Quran says. Plus the fact that most Mirpuri's are Hindu Punjabi converts from mainly the Jatt, Rajput and Gujjar castes means these Mirpuri Pakistani Muslims try to prove how Muslim they are by converting and grooming non-Muslim girls even more than the Qureshi and Mughal castes which have been Muslim for longer.
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Sikhs didn't do this.
The enemies of Sikhs did this to give the Panth a bad name.
Sikhs protect Mandirs and Masjids instead.
Sikhs never mark baseball bats with Gurbani because that would be Beadbi.
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taking the entire sikh population at the time what percentage of the population was loyal to the british and what percentage fought against the british
the vast majority of the Sikh population was against the British.
But as we see under Empires like the Mughals and the British without ammunition, without food and struggling in poverty these things were not easy to achieve + thats why the Mughals ruled all of India with the help of a traitorous minority of Hindu's and Muslims among a larger anti-Mughal population and its the same reason why British Empire ruled over one third of Earth.
if you add all the sikhs in the statistics you gave that comes to a total of under 20 000 sikhs that fought and their were 6 million sikhs in india in the 1930's
thats less then 1% of the total population
Interesting how all of your posts tout the standard Hindutva propaganda.
Instead of openly admitting that a tiny 1.5% minority comprised the bulk of the freedom fighters you assume that because some poor Sikh had to feed his family during a famine that makes them supporters of the British.
By your logic that means Jews who didn't rebel against the Nazi's before the 2nd World War must have supported Hitler!?
Your logic, your figures and your anti-Sikh propganda that you are repeating is all flawed.
Before the 19th Century Sikhs were a 5% minority within Punjab.
By 1857 the Sikh population was 1% of the Indian population.
And it must be remembered that in 1857 over 98% of the soldiers who fought on the British side were Hindu+Muslim.
And even those that fought against the British were only upset with the British due to the fact that bullet casings has beef and pork derived casing on them ... it was only an afterthought on the fighters part to claim their fight was based along the lines of independence.
There were 6 million Sikhs prior to the Genocide of hundreds of thousands of Sikhs in Pakistan in 1947.
At that point in time Sikhs were 1.5% of the population of India. Today less than 2% of Indians are Sikh.
In 1881 the Sikh population was 0.75% of the Indian population which is not even 1%.
The scope for such a small population to overthrow the British in the 19th century when no other nation managed to overthrow the British Empire at its peak was limited.
The evil British Empire subjected the Sikh Panth to repeated famine, repeated murders of non-loyal Sikhs (true Amritdhari's) whilst flooding in drugs, alcohol and with most Sikhs who did not side with the British facing poverty and discrimination from Muslims and Hindu's.
On top of that between 1849-1921 Hindu Mahants were given control of all Gurdwara's by the British in order to sytematically destroy Sikhi from within by promoting anti-Gurmat practises.
now how many sikhs fought in world war one and died over or under 20 000
So because more people with names like Gill, Brar and Sandhu fought for GOI to destroy Harmandir Sahib it doesn't take away from the fact that more Sikhs in 1984 supported the Anandpur Sahib resolution.
how many sikhs fought for the british in 1857 rather then fighting for freedom for sikhs
A tiny minority of Sikh population at the time.
Not a single true Khalsa fought for the British - 100% of them were spiritually patit.
As the Khalsa Panth only fights for humanity not Christian or Muslim empires built on Slavery like the Bible+Quran condone.
and sikhs being blown up by cannons how many sikhs had bin blown up by cannans was it 100 or 1000 or 10 000
Tens of thousands of Sikhs were blown up by cannons and murdered and cremated without trace.
The Malerkotla incident is only the most famous because the bravery of the Sikhs was impossible to suppress from the media and because the Muslims of Malerkotla joyously supported the British in killing off the Sikhs.
out of the entire population after the second anglo sikh war how many sikhs left the khalsa army and took up jobs as soldiers for british east india
A majority of the true Khalsa Fauj were actually killed by the British.
Only a patit minority who faked as Kesdhari's then switched allegiances for money.
The true Khalsa Fauj of Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa never switched allegiances only the sellouts like those in recent times like that Sandhu that killed Justice Khalra happily worked as slaves of the British due to their financial motivation.
i want to learn more about the sikhs struggle against the british and read some biography's of sikhs who lost their lives in the fight against the british for india's freedom
That's what makes Hindutva lies so ridiculous.
Sikhs were the amjority of freedom fighters for indepence yet the Hindu minority amongst the freedom fighters is about who 99% of the literature is always written about. What's stupid is some slave Sikhs are actually proud of there links with the British Empire.
why didn't the true khalsa panth continue fighting after second anglo british war and is their any stories to read about the once who did and used guirila warfare to try taking out the british
They did but kinda like now when u realise that the odds are stacked suicidally against a tiny minority community it is sometimes better to retreat and wait for strength and allies to emerge.
Sikhs bided their time, fought via the pen, bought about internal religious reform first and ultimately freed India from the British Empire first compared to other nations enslaved by the British.
Instead of reading Hindutva propaganda by the RSS against Sikhs, if we want freedom now then rather than picking up a gun and boarding the next flight only to get arrested at IGI Delhi, the best thing to do is play your part in making our Panth stronger internally first.
Even if you are a self-professed agnostic, align yourself with the Sikh Panth and play your part in fighting abortion, drug abuse, alcohol etc that the GOI + Pakistan encourage among Sikhs.
Hinduism is for the benfit if the so-called upper castes, Islam is for the benefit of the Arab Empire and those who will get 72 light skinned virgins up in Heaven.
I encourage you as a agnostic to join the Sikh Panth in fighting for the benefit of all oppressed mankind (rather than the rich few).
your brainwashed with isi propaganda and weird conspiracy's
LOL is that the best u can do? ROFL
firstly i never said or implied in any way that sikhs who didn't fight against the british were loyal to the british could you point out were i said this
Where did i say that Einstein? LOL
if you look at thousands upon thousands of sikhs who fought for the british the question is why did so many sikhs fight for the british rather then freedom
The answer is simple = money. Same reason why that stupid Sandhu killed Justice Khalra and why idiots like Brar + Gill did what they did to innocent Sikhs
secondly after 1849 many sikh soldiers from the sikh empire took up jobs as soldiers with the british as soldiers
The Army of the Khalsa Raj was known as the Khalsa Fauj. However, not all of the fighters were Amritdhari Khalsa's.
The ones that defected over to the East India Company were mainly patits.
thirdly for 1857 i said why didn't sikhs fight for their own freedom rather then along side with the british
When the Punjabi Muslims and Punjabi Hindu's were 100% in favour of the British and Sikhs were outnumbered by Muslims and Hindu's 20 to 1 and having suffered oppression and murder and casualties of war from the British since 1849 it was no surprise that 1857 turned out the way it did. No colonial power especially the British Empire at its height had been overturned then
fourthly in punjab sikhs were favored over muslims same with hindus
Total nonsense. Sikhs were living in freedom in our own country and masters of our destiny until the pro-British Hindu Punjabi's and Punjabi Muslims started supporting the British. The Sikhs as the most feared Qaum were the ones who got discriminated against the most. The 100% beneficiaries who got treated the best by the British were Punjabi Muslims and Punjabi Hindu's. The British allocated all business to the Punjabi Hindu's and the vast majority of army and police positions were allocated to the Punjabi Muslims.
different ways a country use to another country is control the food and water supply but also give favour the minorities and treat them well to help recruit them into the army and police force and to suppress the majority
You're living in your own Hindutva fantasy world. Sikhs never oppressed the over 90% majority of Muslims in Hindu's when there was Khalsa Raj so why would they after 1849. If Sikhs were a minority in the Punjab police and armed forces from Punjab then how the heck would oppress communities which outnumbered us almost 20 to 1.
you have a country with sunni and shia muslims who hate eachother if one country wants to take over and the sunnis make the minority and shias make majority you treat the sunnis well and help them take down the majority shia and make sure they govern the country for you but you don't help the shia cause if you help the shia they are majority and can turn on you an get freedom
This has no relavance to Sikhs as our faith teach us not to opress anyone. Islam + Hinduism are both based on oppression.
this is why sikhs and hindus were favored over the muslim majority in punjab
So the Sikhs come out the biggest victims at the hands of the British + Punjabi Muslims in 1947 and you say that Sikhs were favored.
Anybody can see your blatant anti-Sikh bias. At least you openly admitted that you are not Sikh at the start.
if you look at thousands upon thousands of sikhs who fought for the british the question is why did so many sikhs fight for the british rather then freedom
For the same reason even more Hindu's and Muslims fought for the British = they needed the money to feed there families.
after the first anglo afghan war the afghans rebelled rather then accept british rule why didn't the sikhs do the same
The Afghans weren't very successful around Peshawar were they? The Pathans of NWFP remained as slaves of the British all the way till 1947. Maybe one day the Pathans will get freedom Pakistan but even now the mainly Punjabi army of Pakistan is killing them. You can rebel all you like but it doesn't mean that will achieve anything. What did your Hindu ancestors in 1857 achieve? Nothing. Because 98% plus of the fighters defending the British in 1857 were Hindu+Muslim.
as well their is no conspiracy with groups trying to destroy sikhism by flooding drugs into punjab
LOL. So Pakistan floods in tonnes and tonnes of heroin daily (with the co-operation of GOI as they realise Sikh youth will be the main victims of Pakistani drugs) and pill factories controlled by Congress party bigwigs openly sell there drugs in every single village up and down Punjab with the police looking the other way at the orders of the GOI and that is not a conspiracy in your eyes??
after green revolution punjab became richest state
Sikhs are well known for being hard working (when not under the influence of drugs, alcohol or Hindutva)
and started hiring migrant workers to do the labour for them
Well can you blame the innocent workers for choosing to work in Punjab rather than suffer caste discrimination in Bihar etc
jatt ego kept ppl from allowing their kids to work and spoiled them
What you don't understand is that all industry was kept in Haryana to discriminate against Punjab because Haryana is dominated by Hindu Jatts.
So how come all the Hindu Jatt kids got jobs in the Delhi Police helping kill innocent Sikhs?
kids have resources and no work and want to party when their teens so start doing drugs and so on
its paranting that caused the drug problem in punjab and drug dealers taking advantage of the situation
I don't disagree with that but what you are failing to see is the hand of Pakistan's ISI and GOI in deliberately flooding East Punjab with drugs. If GOI wipe out industry in Punjab and prospect of jobs for youth as well then clearly drugs will take over as GOI wants.
also its sikhs in punjab who have bin voting in corrupt politicans since sikhs have had majority in punjab like badal
Sikhs have no real choice. Akali Dal (Badal) are probably the lesser of two devils.
If any Sikhs stood on an anti-corruption platform GOI would always kill them to retain there corrupt stranglehold.
with the amount or resources available to sikhs in punjab from nri's and agriculture its sikhs who are holding themselves back and no one else its called accountability
Sikhs can do better and we will do better. Yes if we hold our own people accountable for there own failings like being weak enough to fall for drugs or alcohol or abortion or corruption then East Punjab then improvement can happen within us. But non-Sikh Hindutva touts like yourself have a deliberate agenda of blaming Sikhs for being innocent victims. You people are the type who if a Sikh girl went out to do some shopping at midday dressed respectfully and then got raped would probably shout "she asked for it" ... "it was her fault (she was Sikh)" ... "the rapist only did to keep the country together".
Keep attacking Sikhs all day long. The more you lie against Sikhs the more stronger and determined we get at facing down the two main enemies of the Sikhs. You don't count as an enemy but the Hindutva people who brainwashed u with this fake misinformation do.
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Proactive Veerji and Jonny101 Veerji that's all fine on pointing out the reasons why paid Sikh mercenaries fought for the East India Company along with the 98% of Hindu's+Muslims that fought for the East India Company in 1857. As long it's clear to outsiders that the Khalsa Fauj only fights for Sarbath Da Bhalla (Khalsa Raj) and never fights for any evil slavery/rape/murder empires in exchange for a few dollars.
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The problem is that Muslim terrorists have the support of hundreds of millions of Muslims and the backing of the words from the Holy Quran which God spoke as well as the glorious example of how Prophet Muhammad dealt with non-believers when killing the menfolk and selling the women and children off as slaves.
Muslim Opinion Polls
A so-called "Tiny Minority" of Extremists? (LOL)
"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be
unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination."
Holy Quran 9:73Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number.
However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.
The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.
(These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active. We will continue adding to this).
Terrorism
ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.htmlNOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvYPeople-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-warYNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.htmlWorld Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdfPew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtmlPopulus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistPew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.htmlFederation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistPopulus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistPew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfPew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfSee also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.
al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden
Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/al-jazeeras-readers-on-911-499-support-bin-laden.htmPew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-terrorism-al-qaida-islam-opinions-columnists-ilan-berman.htmlPew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate/
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdfMacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/guardian-muslims-march-2004.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistWorld Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdfPew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/05/majority_of_our_pakistani_alli.htmlZogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hbpg5ou3Qk96-aTbpJyD4K0x2b9w?docId=CNG.561caa8da42ba25c5ee1f3158a926c28.c11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/arab-worlds-views-of-us-president-obama-increasingly-negative-new-poll-finds/2011/07/12/gIQASzHVBI_blog.htmlPopulus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.populuslimited.com/poll_summaries/2006_07_04_Times_ITV.htm
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistPolicy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/246.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist9/11 Attacks
al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.htmlGallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05/that-tiny-percentage-of-radical-muslims.html
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php?CID=1154Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslims-westerners-christians-jews-islamic-extremism-september-11Violence in Defense of Islam
40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdfPolicy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdfNOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvYNOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvYPew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistTerrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/article/view/sharia-adherence-mosque-survey/htmlPew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfPew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfSharia (Islamic Law)
83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdfICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.htmlGfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdfNOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvYMacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdfWorld Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdfPew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/Pew Research (2013): 72% of Indonesians want Sharia to be law of the land
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/seventy-two-percent-of-indonesians-favor-shariah-law-pew-forum/Pew Research (2013): 81% of South Asian Muslims and 57% of Egyptians suport amputating limbs for theft.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfHonor Killings
Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/turkey-war-on-women/
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&link=170502&bolum=100Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Download.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdfBBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor".
http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/peter-rhodes/2011/12/28/honour-killing-%E2%80%93-a-stain-on-our-nation/Middle East Quarterly: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4320795% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/09/21/barbara-kay-continue-calling-honour-killings-by-its-rightful-name/A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence.
http://www.nugget.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3402230Two-thirds of young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117003/More-thirds-young-British-Muslims-believe-honour-violence-acceptable-survey-reveals.htmlPew Research (2013): Large majorities of Muslims favor Sharia. Among those who do, stoning women for adultery is favored by 89% in Pakistanis, 85% in Afghanistan, 81% in Egypt, 67% in Jordan, ~50% in 'moderate' Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, 58% in Iraq, 44% in Tunisia, 29% in Turkey, and 26% in Russia.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfPew Research (2013): Honor killing the woman for sex outside of marriage is favored over honor killing the man in almost every Islamic country. Over half of Muslims surveyed believed that honor killings over sex were at least partially justified.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfAssimilation
Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5j9EvY-ZaN9jm1TF2wT-EK28RTRDQ?docId=N0256451319500798601APakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-greenfield/islams-universal-economic-failure/2/Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Download.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdfPolicy Exchange: 51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
Only 51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdfPolicy Exchange: Up to 52% of British Muslims believe a Muslim man is entitled to up to four wives
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdfPolicy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdfNOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvYICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistPew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdfPolicy Exchange (2006): 31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/246.pdfDie Welt (2012): 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.htmlIpsos MORI: Muslims are 3 times as likely as Christians to believe that their religion is the only way.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/religion.still.matters.global.survey.finds/28257.htmPew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/section-5-political-opinions-and-social-values/Pew Research (2007): 26% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (43% support assimilation)
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/section-6-terrorism-concerns-about-extremism-foreign-policy/ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for political ends acceptable
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamistWenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10/31/sixty-percent-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/poll-nearly-half-of-us-muslims-believe.htmlPew Research (2013): "At least half' of Muslims surveyed believed polygamy is morally acceptable.
"Muslims in most countries surveyed say that a wife should always obey her husband." (including 93% in Indonesia and 65% in Turkey).
Only 32% of Muslims in Indonesia say a woman should have the right to divorce her husband (22% in Egypt, 26% in Pakistan and 60% in Russia).
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Bro i wouldn't worry. Girls aren't really converting because they really believe Islam, it's just the drugs money + grooming techniques brainwashing them.
I mean who would actually believe that God = Allah = Vaheguru said what's below?
Women in the Koran"They ask you about menstruation. Say: 'It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you....'" Quran 2:222, "The Cow,"
"Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whichever way you please." Quran 2:223, "The Cow,"
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them." Quran 4:34, "Women,"
"A male shall inherit twice as much as a female." Quran 4:11, "Women,"
"Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses..." Quran 2:282, "The Cow,"
"Women shall with justice have rights similar to those exercised against them, although men have a status above women." Quran 2:228,
"If you fear that you cannot treat [orphan girls] with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girl you may own." Quran 4:3, "Women,"
"If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those [of your wives] who have not yet menstruated." Quran 65:4, "Divorce,"
"[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves." Quran 4:24, "Women,"
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Ghadhar movement were freedom fighters consisting of sikh hindu muslims
Despite being only 1% of the Indian population, Sikhs founded the Ghadar movement and comprised the majority of its membership
Akali Movement was peacefull movement to free gurdwaras.
The Akali's realised that British control of Gurdwara's via there Hindu Mahant friends was brainwashing Sikhs into falsehood.
Without free Gurdwara's there was hardly likely to be a free India.
Note again the confiscation of arms from Sikhs by both the British and Mughals.
Guru Sahib ordered us to carry five different shahstar at all times if we could manage rather than literally the 5k's that the British made there Sikh soldiers wear including ceremonial blunt kirpans hung as necklaces
Babbar Akali movement was militant version of akali to free gurdwara.
All strategies are valid within the circumstances to achieve the result so long as innocent people are not targetted.
back on topic what would you rank the peak of the khalsa in terms of history compared to other empires where would khalsa rank
The Khalsa Raj was no empire.
Its power, its land, its wealth was way behind the other famous brutal empires the World has seen like the Mongol Empire, the Arabic Empire, the Spanish Empire, the Portuguese Empire, the British Empire and the Mughal Empire.
All these evil empires spread there brutal reign of terror by killing tens of millions of innocent human beings, enslaving millions, raping millions of women, converting millions to Christianity and Islam by the SWORD.
Sikhs remained a small minority in Punjab and ensured Hindu's and Muslims enjoyed equal rights.
There was no slavery, no raping and no murder of innocent people by the Khalsa Fauj within the Khalsa Raj.
It was a unique type of swadeshi Raj, that though it was not perfect, was fundamentally for the benefit of the majority of all of Punjab's people whatever there faith - mostly Punjabi's are Muslim, then Hindu, then Sikhs, Jains and others religions.
Correction in green above
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What's funny GPS Veerji is that the Muslim fundamentalist types have fantasies that Amritdhari Sikhs will convert to Islam when the reality is that no Amritdhari is ever that weak to convert towards falsehood. All the enemies of Sikhs are scared of the moment when the Sikh Panth unites. The Punjabi Muslims thought they would kill off all the Sikhs from Amritsar and Tarn Taran and onward and enlarge Pakistan all the way to Delhi but when the Panth united in response to the genocide of innocent Sikhs in Majha and Doaba the result was totally different than what the Mullahs wanted. Same thing with 1984 they chose to attack us on Guru Arjan Dev Ji Shaheedi Diwas thinking it would crush us. We weren't crushed, our Unity got stronger as a result. Once we regain ekta as a Panth our enemies will be powerless against us.
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Any credible source?
Afghan Sikhs
This is a criminal act under Islamic Law and punishment for such horrendous crime would be death penalty.
Hardly bro ...
Muslims are free to have sex with those slavegirls (or modern equivalents who there right hands possess ... such as grooming victims or kaffir girls in areas of Sharia Law)
The Holy Quran 4.24
Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allâh ordained for you.
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The logic of Islam and Abrahamic burial system is that one day they want to see the whole world as one big cemetry.
Cremation pre-dates Hinduism and is the most logical and equal way of returning the departed to the Earth rather than platinum plated tombstones for the rich and a cross made out of sticks for the poor
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The biggest reason why Sikhs in 1849 did not resort to a mass resistance or guerrilla war is because the Sikhs were just 5% of the population of Punjab. The other 95% were equally split between Muslims and Hindus. Unless one of these communities or both of these communities were to actively support the Sikhs, a guerrilla war could not have been possible. The Muslims due to their religion would never support the re-establishment of non-Muslim rule over them. The Hindus, although they had been the greatest gainers from Sikh rule would not support it's re-establishment because they had seen British rule in the rest of India as being benign to their community, The leaders of these communities had been guaranteed their lands by the British, the Hindus had gained in having a Hindu now as a ruler of Kashmir thanks to the British.
There is no doubt that had the Sikhs been more than 50% of the population of Punjab then the Punjab would never have submitted to the British rule.
There were Sardars who could have carried on fighting but to what end? For the Khalsa to suffer more from the hands of the British as well as from their Hindu and Muslim jholichuks? The leading Sardars as well as the common Sikh soldiers of the Khalsa army who survived were the first to join the British in fighting the mutineers.
Proactive Veerji i agree 100% with what u say above. The point I was trying to make was that this RSS accusation that the Khalsa Fauj sided with the British is a lie. The soldiers from a Sikh background who fought with the East India Company did so as paid mercenaries. To call them Khalsa Fauj is an insult by the British and Hindutva touts of our Khalsa Panth. But no doubt, there were a number of true Khalsa who survived the wars (as the Khalsa Panth can never be wiped out) but found the odds overwhelming when like you say the Hindu's benefitted from British rule and the Muslims also massively benefitted and preferred rule by white skinned people who followed the Muslims Hazrat Issa = Jesus (that the Muslims also believe had a virgin birth) rather than monotheistic Sikhs because in their eyes Sikhs were kaffirs. Given the Jawahir Singh fought so bravely against the British at Chillianwala there are different opinions about what happened post 1849.
The bottom line is we need to know how the combat the Hindutva propaganda against us sandhu has done us favour by bringing it up.
We just need to realise that our enemies are still playing the same game on us, flooding heroin into East Punjab from Pakistan and manufactured pills from other parts of India. They keep us poor so we abort our own children. They still try to corrupt Sikhi. They still keep us poor and uneducated so we are easier to manipulate. We need to turn back the tide of our enemies against us. Right now is not really the time for war as we need to build up our strength but it definitely is a time to increase our unity + increase education of Sikhs
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Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh
I am utterly blown away, shocked and greatly hurt by this particular thread discussing the Agan Bhet sewa that will be taking place in Toronto this June.
TO DasamSarblohGranth" : Your approach to this matter is quiet unprofessional and to my understanding very disgraceful and extremely disrespectful for so many reasons. In reading the topic discussed in this thread, particularly the manner in which you have posted your view, the lack of knowledge and understanding of this sewa is quiet clear.
First of all, I would like to say that if you truly have a concern with this issue and wish to take action, hiding behind a username on a discussion board is definitely not a smart move. I am sorry to say however, the manner in which you have "CHALLENGED THE SANGAT TO STAND UP", is very discouraging. As a matter of fact, if you were a true believer in what you have said, then you would not need to hide behind a computer, copy and paste information from different sites, analyze and critique it according to your own knowledge and then try to convince people that your right. Rather, you would contact sewadaars directly and go the extra step to research valid and supporting information that actually "MAKES SENSE". and just maybe by doing so you will come to understand that you have been greatly mistaken.
I have read through your entire post and I was utterly shocked at the terms you have used ("pakhand","sensible people", "pathetic traits" etc") , the biased manner of your approach, the reasoning for your views and most of all YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. Please do not misguide the sangat with such falsified information that is only and ONLY BIAS.
IT IS A HUMBLE REQUEST TO YOU, TO PLEASE FULLY EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE POSTING And maybe I should define what I mean by educating yourself. Educating yourself does not simply mean you sit on a computer, read articles, watch a video or just talk to other people about it. Educating yourself means experiencing reality by being a part of the sewa, seeing it for yourself, and finally asking questions to those that conduct it when in doubt. Then, I would consider your words as valuable and worth my time to read and "ponder" upon. You have obviously not done any of that and therefore for you to sit back behind a username and a computer and create a outrage about a topic you have absolutely no knowledge about, is what I would call "insensibility".
With Guru Jee's blessings, I have been attending these sewas all over India as well as in Canada for the past 9 years. When I first heard of it, I myself had many questions but with Guru Jee's kirpa I have come to know the importance of this sewa.
Take a minute to think about how many Sikhs, how many Sikh homes and how many Sikh Gurdwaras are all over the world. Now think about how many Gurdwaras and Sikh homes will have printed gutke sahib, pothis, Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee's saroops. I would say countless. In addition, think about the mass production of Gurbani literature that contains bani, gurbani CD's, DVD's, VCD's, and rumalle sahib that have bani printed all over them. On a smaller scale just think within our homes, how many calenders and wedding cards have gurbani printed all over them, how many Guru Jee's photos are printed regularly and sold all throughout the world. These are just some articles I have listed that have Gurbani printed on them. Could you take a minute to understand that if all these articles become completely worn out and old, how will every Sikh in every home and Gurdwara be able to take care of every single type of gurbani article with complete respect. If anything, beadbi of Guru Jee's birdh (old) saroops, gutke sahib, pothis etc. will occur. As more and more gutke sahib, Guru Jee's saroops, pothi sahibs are printed, more and more are becoming worn out and old. How can you restore everything? This is why agan bhet sewa is not considered a wrongful sewa.
Many are having an issue that we cannot burn our Guru and destroy him. N30SINGH' posted, " guru sahib saroop (who is alive never gets born, die or be old)" in one of their posts. Now if it is agreed upon that Guru Granth Sahib Jee is our Shabad Guru that never dies then how can doing agan bhet of birdh saroops make you think that we are destroying our Guru? Then we are only contradicting ourselves. Our Guru, Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee has two major dimensions, the internal/spiritual and external/materialistic. Guru Sahib Jee's saroops are manifestations of the Guru. The scriptural form is paper, ink and binding but our Guru is external and immortal. Again, this agan bhet sewa is ONLY done of printed articles (which are copies of the originals). When articles are agan bhet, we only touch into the external/materialistic nature of our Guru only which we are required to simply because all forms of living and nonliving things in the world are materialistic and destructible. We can never destroy the Shabad Guru.
Further,I want to make this clear that since the initiation of the printing press which began the printing of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee's saroops, gutke sahib, pothis, gurbani literature etc. in masses for the sangat, the sewa sambhaal(care) of all PRINTED articles that have worn out and become old became a huge concern for the panth. As a result, many groups realized that this sort of sewa should be occurring and therefore, many began to agan bhet such gurbani articles. The SGPC also understood the need for this sewa and began their own system in which great beadbi was involved. Bhai Narinder Singh had originally seen the way the SGPC had began this sewa and was greatly hurt by their approach. As a result, he initiated this sewa with the utmost respect and care that became world-wide known and today understood and accepted as the absolute proper way to do this sewa.
However, in regards to your post, you have greatly been mistaken in targeting the wrong group of sewadaars which involves Bhai Narinder Singh Jee. There are other groups of individuals that are conducting this sewa however you need to understand a clear distinction between them and the sewa Bhai Narinder Singh Jee conducts. NO other group or sewadaars doing this sewa anywhere else in the world has been approved by the panth as respected and acceptable. The videos and information you have been posting with your argument are all mixed up and confused as they are involving completely different sewadaars. However, your initial argument is targeting the sewa that is going to occur this June in Toronto which is hosted by Bhai Narinder Singh Jee. Again, your statements have no foundation and no leading argument.
For someone like yourself such statements may make no sense because you obviously believe that nothing should be agan bhet. Before I jump to any other detail, I am going to make something very clear to you and your supporters. No and I mean NO Handwritten saroops of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, Dasam Granth, Sarbloh Granth, No Handwritten Gutke sahib or Pothis or any other historically significant findings of our panth has or is ever agan bhet under Bhai Narinder Singh Jee in any circumstances. WE HAVE PROOF OF EVERY SAROOP, GUTKE SAHIB, POTHIS ETC. THAT HAS EVER ARRIVED AT THE ISTHAANS IN INDIA WHERE THIS SEWA OCCURS SINCE THE SEWA BEGAN UNDER BHAI SAHIB JEE. WE HAVE PROOF OF EVERY HANDWRITTEN ARTICLE OF GURBANI AS WELL AS ALL OTHER HISTORICAL ITEMS THAT HAVE EVER BEEN SENT TO THE REFERENCE LIBRARY IN AMRITSAR IN THE INTENTION TO HELP REVIVE OUR SIKH HISTORY. To date, according to all our records, 300 handwritten saroops of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, 90 handwritten saroops of Dasam Granth have been sent to the reference library in Amritsar. Bhai Narinder Singh Jee has documented and recorded all this information. How can you make such huge assumptions that Bhai Sahib Jee is involved in destroying historical articles of our panth. With what support do you state this?
In preparation, this sewa has been done with great precision and detail with sangat doing darshan or Guru Ji's saroop 3 times and making detailed notes and then, a final decision. Also it should be cleared that many many different type of saroops arrive at the sewa asthaans all through India from Laariwaar saroops to Handwritten saroops, and there has NEVER been a system through which certain types of saroops are agan bhet and a certain type are not.
It is a humble request to you to please think twice about posting anything about this topic. If parchar of such falsified information continues, THE SGPC CAN AND WILL TAKE ACTION AGAINST THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I have provided many links below which discuss this sewa in detail. If this thread was truly began to discuss that this sort of sewa should not be occurring within the panth because on personal notes, it is "WRONG", then you will also go the extra step to realize that you have not entirely discovered the truth and just maybe, you will do your research next time before posting biased opinions with no founding evidence or support.
If you and your supporters are greatly concerned that our Sikh history is being destroyed then it is requested that you attend the sewa occurring in Toronto this June and speak to Bhai Narinder Singh Jee yourself in person.
Vaheguru Ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh
Harjio Ji thank you for educating people like me to understand this in a more balanced way
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Ghadhar movement were freedom fighters consisting of sikh hindu muslims
Despite being only 1% of the Indian population, Sikhs founded the Ghadar movement and comprised the majority of its membership
Akali Movement was peacefull movement to free gurdwaras.
The Akali's realised that British control of Gurdwara's via there Hindu Mahant friends was brainwashing Sikhs into falsehood.
Without free Gurdwara's there was hardly likely to be a free India.
Note again the confiscation of arms from Sikhs by both the British and Mughals.
Guru Sahib ordered us to carry five different shahstar at all times if we could manage rather than literally the 5k's that the British made there Sikh soldiers wear including ceremonial blunt kirpans hung as necklaces
Babbar Akali movement was militant version of akali to free gurdwara.
All strategies are valid within the circumstances to achieve the result so long as innocent people are not targetted.
back on topic what would you rank the peak of the khalsa in terms of history compared to other empires where would khalsa rank
The Khalsa Raj was no empire.
Its power, its land, its wealth was way behind the other famous brutal empires the World has seen like the Mongol Empire, the Arabic Empire, the Spanish Empire, the Portuguese Empire, the British Empire and the Mughal Empire.
All these evil empires spread there brutal reign of terror by killing tens of millions of innocent human beings, enslaving millions, raping millions of women, converting millions to Christianity and Islam by the word.
Sikhs remained a small minority in Punjab and ensured Hindu's and Muslims enjoyed equal rights.
There was no slavery, no raping and no murder of innocent people by the Khalsa Fauj within the Khalsa Raj.
It was a unique type of swadeshi Raj, that though it was not perfect, was fundamentally for the benefit of the majority of all of Punjab's people whatever there faith - mostly Punjabi's are Muslim, then Hindu, then Sikhs, Jains and others religions.
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taking the entire sikh population at the time what percentage of the population was loyal to the british and what percentage fought against the british
the vast majority of the Sikh population was against the British.
But as we see under Empires like the Mughals and the British without ammunition, without food and struggling in poverty these things were not easy to achieve + thats why the Mughals ruled all of India with the help of a traitorous minority of Hindu's and Muslims among a larger anti-Mughal population and its the same reason why British Empire ruled over one third of Earth.
if you add all the sikhs in the statistics you gave that comes to a total of under 20 000 sikhs that fought and their were 6 million sikhs in india in the 1930's
thats less then 1% of the total population
Interesting how all of your posts tout the standard Hindutva propaganda.
Instead of openly admitting that a tiny 1.5% minority comprised the bulk of the freedom fighters you assume that because some poor Sikh had to feed his family during a famine that makes them supporters of the British.
By your logic that means Jews who didn't rebel against the Nazi's before the 2nd World War must have supported Hitler!?
Your logic, your figures and your anti-Sikh propganda that you are repeating is all flawed.
Before the 19th Century Sikhs were a 5% minority within Punjab.
By 1857 the Sikh population was 1% of the Indian population.
And it must be remembered that in 1857 over 98% of the soldiers who fought on the British side were Hindu+Muslim.
And even those that fought against the British were only upset with the British due to the fact that bullet casings has beef and pork derived casing on them ... it was only an afterthought on the fighters part to claim their fight was based along the lines of independence.
There were 6 million Sikhs prior to the Genocide of hundreds of thousands of Sikhs in Pakistan in 1947.
At that point in time Sikhs were 1.5% of the population of India. Today less than 2% of Indians are Sikh.
In 1881 the Sikh population was 0.75% of the Indian population which is not even 1%.
The scope for such a small population to overthrow the British in the 19th century when no other nation managed to overthrow the British Empire at its peak was limited.
The evil British Empire subjected the Sikh Panth to repeated famine, repeated murders of non-loyal Sikhs (true Amritdhari's) whilst flooding in drugs, alcohol and with most Sikhs who did not side with the British facing poverty and discrimination from Muslims and Hindu's.
On top of that between 1849-1921 Hindu Mahants were given control of all Gurdwara's by the British in order to sytematically destroy Sikhi from within by promoting anti-Gurmat practises.
now how many sikhs fought in world war one and died over or under 20 000
So because more people with names like Gill, Brar and Sandhu fought for GOI to destroy Harmandir Sahib it doesn't take away from the fact that more Sikhs in 1984 supported the Anandpur Sahib resolution.
how many sikhs fought for the british in 1857 rather then fighting for freedom for sikhs
A tiny minority of Sikh population at the time.
Not a single true Khalsa fought for the British - 100% of them were spiritually patit.
As the Khalsa Panth only fights for humanity not Christian or Muslim empires built on Slavery like the Bible+Quran condone.
and sikhs being blown up by cannons how many sikhs had bin blown up by cannans was it 100 or 1000 or 10 000
Tens of thousands of Sikhs were blown up by cannons and murdered and cremated without trace.
The Malerkotla incident is only the most famous because the bravery of the Sikhs was impossible to suppress from the media and because the Muslims of Malerkotla joyously supported the British in killing off the Sikhs.
out of the entire population after the second anglo sikh war how many sikhs left the khalsa army and took up jobs as soldiers for british east india
A majority of the true Khalsa Fauj were actually killed by the British.
Only a patit minority who faked as Kesdhari's then switched allegiances for money.
The true Khalsa Fauj of Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa never switched allegiances only the sellouts like those in recent times like that Sandhu that killed Justice Khalra happily worked as slaves of the British due to their financial motivation.
i want to learn more about the sikhs struggle against the british and read some biography's of sikhs who lost their lives in the fight against the british for india's freedom
That's what makes Hindutva lies so ridiculous.
Sikhs were the amjority of freedom fighters for indepence yet the Hindu minority amongst the freedom fighters is about who 99% of the literature is always written about. What's stupid is some slave Sikhs are actually proud of there links with the British Empire.
why didn't the true khalsa panth continue fighting after second anglo british war and is their any stories to read about the once who did and used guirila warfare to try taking out the british
They did but kinda like now when u realise that the odds are stacked suicidally against a tiny minority community it is sometimes better to retreat and wait for strength and allies to emerge.
Sikhs bided their time, fought via the pen, bought about internal religious reform first and ultimately freed India from the British Empire first compared to other nations enslaved by the British.
Instead of reading Hindutva propaganda by the RSS against Sikhs, if we want freedom now then rather than picking up a gun and boarding the next flight only to get arrested at IGI Delhi, the best thing to do is play your part in making our Panth stronger internally first.
Even if you are a self-professed agnostic, align yourself with the Sikh Panth and play your part in fighting abortion, drug abuse, alcohol etc that the GOI + Pakistan encourage among Sikhs.
Hinduism is for the benfit if the so-called upper castes, Islam is for the benefit of the Arab Empire and those who will get 72 light skinned virgins up in Heaven.
I encourage you as a agnostic to join the Sikh Panth in fighting for the benefit of all oppressed mankind (rather than the rich few).
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This Sufi Baba is a Sikh. He is NOT Muslim. He openly declares that Guru Sahib is his Guru.
If a Muslim says that in Pakistan he would be killed as Muhammad ordered that those who leave Islam be killed.
This wonderful Baba is Sikh because Muslims are not allowed to believe in any Prophets after Prophet Muhammad.
To believe in Prophet Muhammad it means that a person must agree with the Quran supporting slavery (that all humans are not equal) and agree with the Hadiths and Prophet Muhammad's lifestyle+actions.
All our Sufi brothers and sisters who are persecuted by Muslims in Muslim countries actually believe in Sikhi but can't openly declare there faith in God alone (and not Muhammad) like this Baba.
As Sarbath da Bhalla is more truthful than those who want victory for the Arabic Empire and the Ummah only
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To be honest : Sikhs in Pakistan live a BETTER life than Sikhs in India.
I'm no fan of India's but no Sikh will ever be the prime minister of Paksitan and no Sikh will ever lead the Pakistan Army and never will any Sikh be the chief minister of Pakistani Punjab.
Now you understand why Sikhs choose to live in Pakistan?
They don't really choose to live there. Why would anyone live in a country where 20% of the Sikh population was murdered in 1947.
It's more a case that the GOI makes it difficult for them to come to East Punjab and they lack the resouces to shift
I don't understand why Indian Sikhs choose to live in India where their religion is not even recognized.
The Sikh Marriage Act is being done and Budhhists, Jains and Sikhs are being recognised as non-Hindu's unlike the Mughal + British + 1950 constitution definitions of a Hindu meaning all non-Muslim residents of India. We Sikhs exist regardless of anybody's recognition or attempts to crush us. We have no inferiority complex of the kind u imagine. 1 on 1 we know we are. We are a minority but in the bigger picture globally so are Muslims. And one day who knows maybe all Punjabi's can re-unite as one nation in a monotheistic creed which works for the benefit of all faiths as opposed to only the Ummah and truly permits no (Qureshi) partners with God.
Whats with all this negativity? If Pakistan is doing something right, then appreciate it..rather than this negativity....
That's the thing bro, it's all about business.
They don't give a damn about Sikhs as proved by the ethnic cleansing the Pakistani state organised in 1947 and the land stolen from all the Pakistani Gurdwara's.
I want to add that despite the fact that I dislike your pro-Pakistani and pro-Islamic agenda, nobody has gotten anything against u on a personal level. So people like u who are actually proud of speaking Punjabi are not my enemy or anybody else's on a fundamental level. You are a Punjabi brother (even though that brotherhood means little in the context of 1947). And if u are liberal enough that u would permit your kids to freely leave Islam or marry out with non-Muslims if they wanted to then u are one of the better Punajbi's from Pakistan. But the bottom line is this, so long as Islamic Republic of (West) Pakistan remains a single united country then India which has strengthened economically since 1984 is gana be even less likely to budge on freedom for different states currently locked within it.
Peace
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you can blame the dogra and everyone else who sold out and surrendered
Yes it's true the sellouts helped the British win
sikhs also back stabbed for money and power and mahara of patalia was loyal to the afghans then british
Yes just like KPS Gill and General Brar and Beanta
both ango sikh wars the bengali and gorkha soldiers were the once who fought for the british against the sikhs but 1857 the sikhs
fought along side the gorkha soldiers and were loyal to the british instead of fighting for their empire back
Wrong. If some Sikhs of the KPS Gill type fought with the British and a majority of the soldiers who fought with the British were Hindu+Muslim then it does not mean the true Khalsa Panth was with the British. The Khalsa Panth fights for entire humanity not any empire
after second anglo sikh war the sikhs coudl of refused any british laws used non corporation and guarila warfare
Sikhs did and were blown up in front of cannons as a result
and used same tactics they did against afghans an mughals
Sikhs did and that's why the figures are as below. The things u are saying are standard Hindutva propaganda against Sikhs. But the statistics speak for themselves
Sacrifices of Sikhs for India’s Freedom during British Empire:
Type
Sikhs
Non-Sikhs
Percentage of Sikhs
Prison One Year
1,550
575
73%
Hanged
93
28
77%
Jalianwala Bagh
799
501
61%
Bajj Bajj Ghaat
67
46
59%
Kooka Movement
91
0
100%
Akali Movement
500
0
100%
Deported
2,147
499
81%
Death sentence
92
35
72%
Indian National Army
12,000
8000
60%
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Maaha mooraakh Sewadaarekhalsa has been not been able to answer why it is a beadbi to have Muslim and Hindus authors in Guru Granth Sahib.
JSinghz Veerji the so-called Hindu+Muslim enlightened souls state themselves repeatedly in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that they are not Hindu or Muslim. Any1 who is a Singh and any1 who is sevadar of Khalsa are both united in one Panth so please don't take nothing personal from me as we have common enemies who hate all three of us for believing in Sikhi
If the same so-called Hindu+Muslim Bhagats and Babas reject Islam+Hinduism and don't believe in Muhammad or don't believe in idolatory or the caste system but they all only believed in Akal Purakh like Guru Sahib then surely they are "Sikh" inspirations
You are also now saying that it is ridiculous to claim "Guru Nanak had a constant companion, Mardana who was a Muslim."
Bhai Mardana Ji was Sikh. Anybody innocent has been duped by the Mughals into believing Bhai Mardana Ji wasn't because it set a bad example. Muslims call Bhai Mardana Ji a "kanjar" as a swear word for what they think are lower caste when actually its the name of a tribe.
"The foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib was laid by Syed Mian Mir."
So if these are false claims, please enlighten us with true facts about Mardana and who laid the foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib
Guru Arjan Dev Ji laid the foundation stone of Sri Harmandar Sahib but another sakhi became more popular
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That's fantastic news if Pakistan are going ahead with this but what are their motives behind it?
How are the Pakistan government going sort out all issues related to the welfare of Sikhs living at Panja Sahib?
Bro the motives of Pakistan government are pretty clear.
They want to dupe innocent Sikhs into wasting there money travelling there so that the local Pakistani businessmen can profit.
We don't have enough money to help our own poor people but when it comes to holidays we are always down with that.
Nothing is gana happen for the welfare of local Sikhs when it was state policy to ethnically cleanse millions of Sikhs out of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Most of the land from Pakistan Gurdwara's has been stolen too but they do this move + make easy profits off Sikhs
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