Ranjeet01

Jagsaw is our resident historian and diaspora expert.

Cricket did not really take off in India until world cup victory in 1983, before then it was hockey.

Sikhs on Mars?

I am sure that Jagsaw already has relatives there and made a few visits by shuttle craft.

Neo

I am familiar with zikr, though I wonder if this was developed inspite of islam not because of it.

You are correct about Punjabi culture being far richer in the past instead of the gandh you have now.

Neo

Many muslims are affected by arabiyat, for them to take the guru's message would mean in their minds that they would cease to become muslim and not follow their prophet.

I remember watching the Basics of Sikhi's Jugraaj Singh's discussion with Dawah man and I saw how Jugraaj Singh followed the Guru's example and used analogies of naam simran and told Dawah to recite the 99 names of Allah and do jaap on them in the morning.

It was interesting to see Dawah Man's body language and you could see the jot/noor in him ignite but then he had to snap himself out of it and he was harping on about the retorical devices.

We all have the capability of evolving spiritually, it's just we have not had that switch activated within us, some people are afraid of it too.

One of the things about Sikhi is that everyone says if we do something wrong it is punjabi culture.

The ironic thing is Sikhi came out of Punjab, there must be either something good about Punjab for Sikhi to be born or Sikhi came out of Punjab as Punjab needed it the most.

There are other times I think, why did Guru Nanak Dev Ji have to be born in Punjab, if he was born somewhere else, Sikhi would have flourished far more because Punjabi folk are a peculiar bunch, we don't appreciate what is right under our noses and go for inferior stuff which is further away.

Like Graham Hancock says , "the human race has collective amnesia", we Sikhs have collective amnesia.

Apologies to everyone for my incoherent waffling.

N30

Unfortunately the majority of muslims will not follow this, they follow the Quran and the sunnah

Thanks for sharing those videos but i think for me atleast, gurbani riterating islamic spiritual stages of development/pre-existing spiritual development framework in sufi Islam as updesh to misguided muslims around that time is good enough.

Unfortunately the majority of muslims will not follow this. They follow the Quran and the Sunnah.

Unfortunately, this is not the spiritual stages of development that majority of muslims would follow.

Ang- 1083

saraa sareeath lae ka(n)maavahu ||

Let your practice be to live the spiritual life

thareekath tharak khoj ttolaavahu ||

Let your spiritual cleansing be to renounce the world and seek God.

maarafath man maarahu abadhaalaa milahu hakeekath jith fir n maraa ||3||

Let control of the mind be your spiritual wisdom, O holy man; meeting with God, you shall never die again. ||3

Thanks for sharing those videos but i think for me atleast, gurbani riterating islamic spiritual stages of development/pre-existing spiritual development framework in sufi Islam as updesh to misguided muslims around that time is good enough.

Unfortunately, this is not the spiritual stages of development that majority of muslims would follow.

Ang- 1083

saraa sareeath lae ka(n)maavahu ||

Let your practice be to live the spiritual life

thareekath tharak khoj ttolaavahu ||

Let your spiritual cleansing be to renounce the world and seek God.

maarafath man maarahu abadhaalaa milahu hakeekath jith fir n maraa ||3||

Let control of the mind be your spiritual wisdom, O holy man; meeting with God, you shall never die again. ||3

It is meaningless since Ahmadis are not even considered Muslim by Muslims. It would be better if it was mainstream Muslims.

The Jamaat Ahmadiyya founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a strange man. In order to lure Sikhs, he created this myth that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee was a Muslim that to this day has created a misconception among Pakistanis who try their best to prove Guru Jee was a Muslim. He even tried to lure Hindus by claiming he is Krishna. He was also the first person who started the whole mess in Kashmir by instigating the Kashmiri Muslims decades before the creation of Pakistan. Iqbal was greatly influenced by this man and it's no coincidence that Iqbal in turn also influenced the likes Jinnah to create Pakistan. During the Pakistan movement, the ahmadis were the only organised Muslim group in Punjab at the time and they fully utilized their organisation to garner support for the Muslim league among Punjabi Muslims. They thought that since they are so close to the British, the British would reward them with the whole Gurdaspur district. But they did not realize that the British are no one's friend. How ironic that they are now the most persecuted people in Pakistan, a country they helped create.

We Sikhs are a naive bunch

I think if you saw a Turban wearing sikh getting friendly with a Gori you would be upset ...just like all those black women who hate all those black guy who only go for white girls . Sure I respect my white sisters who take on sikhi to foster a proper understanding of her man and his faith or maybe even if he is not into it and changes his mind ...what is politically acceptable is not necessarily good for our cultural values e.g. encouragement of dropping family and faith to be with someone who doesn't respect you or your faith really.

Last I saw a Turban wearing Sikh male in a romantic setting with a Gori was in "The "English Patient" and it won a few oscars as well.

The headline of this article is a bunch of fluffy, incorrigible idealism. These Ahmadiyya Muslims who visited the temple belong to a group that exists on the very margins of Islam. Its adherents are regarded as base heretics even by other Muslims, as with the Sufis. Sunni Islam is the particular variety of the faith practiced with most frequency in the area.

I live in the area to which this article pertains, I can attest that things are not very good between the Sikhs and the Sunni (Pakistani/Somali) Muslims. Not very bad, it has to be said, but not positive either. This is unlikely to change.

You only hear about interfaith harmony and community cohesion when muslims are involved.

Relations between muslims and the majority non-muslims is not great, relations within muslim communities are not great either.

What's more, the Gandhi family roots are from Kashmiri Pandits. These are the same people who came to Guru Tej Bahadur ji, these are the people Guru Tej Bahadurji shaheeded himself for.

Nehru for some reason created the Article 370 in his state of origin and his own people have been kicked out of the valley and are living in refugee camps.

How can a Brahmin dominated country treat their own fellow brahmins so poorly.

ASKhalsa1

The only thing exotic about these coconut Asian girls is their blue contact lenses and the light brown highlights.

Good that you brought this up.

She plays up to the white middle-class guardianista/NottingHill/Islington/NewLabour/leftwing/champagne socialist/BBC/Channel4/Sunny Hundal/BBCAsian Network Nihal crowd

The more Sikh/Hindu males are shown as oppressive the more accepted sexually Sikh/Hindu females will appear to be. They want to turn the Sikh/Hindu girls into the subcontinental version of"me love you long time" east Asian girls you see.

That particular ilk will never show Muslim females with Sikh/Hindu male because for all the right on, pro feministic, anti-misogyny view point they have, they are actually afraid of the real misogynists in the muslim lobbying community.

Gurinder Chadha is a one trick pony, she knows what works to grab the attention of the white middle class Notting Hill/Islington set as they run the media.

Very interesting ISingh

Air India is the worst airline I have been on, Jet on the other hand is one of the best.

Amritsar was very good for Sikhs that lived on the West Coast of USA/Canada bevause Singapore Airlines used to fly to Amritsar via Singapore.

Would not be surprised if the Dilli Billi lobby consist of Hindu Punjabi khatri Arya Samaji types.

There needs to be analysis done on the psyche of these types as Hindu Punjabi Khatris can be very anti-Sikh (no surprise that the Hindu Punjabi Khatris make up the majority of Bollywood).

Just have to make do with Borat Airlines

Dharmendra converted to Islam only in name, he does not practise the faith. He did it to have two wives at the same time because he did not want to divorce his previous wife. He was born to a Sikh mother (Satwant Kaur) and Arya Samaj influenced father of a Sikh background (Kewal Krishan Singh Deol).

The thing about the show business industry is it is what it says on the tin, a "show" industry. Their whole profession is to pretend. The entertainment industry has always been traditionally known for what it is which is a kanjar industry.

Because of the advent of mass media, these people some how have too much influence on the gullible. People should take them for what they really are: kanjars and court jesters.

Gurdas Mann is an entertainer (read: kanjar) and will go anywhere where he gets money. Him dancing with jhanjars at Muslim deras like a courtesan and supporting the likes of KP Gill make him unworthy of being called a Sikh. He is a disgrace.

Even Dara Singh was close to the Gandhis. He also paid homage to known Hindu extremist Harbans Lal Khanna.

The only person in Bollywood with a heart of gold was Sunil Dutt (a Hindu Punjabi). He protested against the human rights violations in Punjab and walked from Mumbai to Amritsar.

the lack of knowledge about dharmendra's life is because i have my own ...

my Great-grandfather's younger brother was married for over two decades and had no children , he then had another marriage after his wife insisted and had children in that marriage as far as I have been told he still looked after both wives and children.

I have known a couple of these incidences. Usually it is with a wife's younger sister.

I would like to see more direct flights. I remember flying with Jet Airways from Heathrow to Amritsar (took just over 7 hours). Within half hour after leaving the airport, I was in the pind. Very convenient. Within 12 hours, I arrived to my destination, door to door.

JKV

So Sikhs represent a threat of dismantling of the caste/varna system which Brahmins are the main beneficieries. It represents empowerment of the individual from whatever level of the social strata they come from, whereas the caste system segments society and brings a helplessness and fatalistic mentality that if you should accept your role/social status that you were born into.

For over one thousand years, India was ruled by Muslims and then the British. What was the behaviour of the Brahmins during this time, what tactics did they use as a survival mechanism. How did they maintain their apex in the caste hierarchy, how did they cope with millions of their co-religionists leaving hinduism?

I was wondering if we could do some analysis on the mindset of the Brahmin.

For some reason, Brahmin hierarchy sees the Sikhs as a threat. I think that we as Sikhs do not notice things about ourselves that non-Sikhs do.

When a brahmin sees a Sikh, what is his/her perception of us? What kind of things does he/she about us that they find threatening? What do they have to gain by trying to put down Sikhs?

Very difficult to represent Sikhs if you are a Sikh MP whose constituents are non-Sikh.

Sometimes Non-Sikh MPs do a better job to represent Sikhs than Sikh MPs.

What we really require are more effective lobbying from the likes of Sikh federation, but it is a step in the right direction as they are thinking more strategically.

MPs by nature are only interested in maintaining their seats so they are very short-sighted in their thinking.

We need to think long term and built grass roots Sikhi from the bottom upwards which is what we are beginning to do.

No point. D'ya know why ?

Its because of the way the Labour Party works.

Every single time there has been an opportunity for a local dastar wearing Sikh, including long-standing local dastar wearing councillors, to stand as MP in one of our sikh stronghold constituences, Labour Party HQ deliberately exlude that turban wearing Sikh from the running and impose a Hindu Punjabi on us. It is official Labour Party policy to do that and they have been very consistent in doing just that.

The only time a dastar wearing Sikh gets a chance to stand it is always because the Conservative Party adopt him as their candidate but because its the Tory party he never wins.

Thats why, we can't emulate whats been happening in Canada. We can't, because of the way the Labour Party have treated us. That why, unfortunately, and very sadly, I'll never be able to be your MP.

We need to teach the filthy, dirty Labour Party a lesson they deserve.

Stand as an independent.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it is a serious matter of shame and failure on the part of us Sikhs in west London. This is the area that has the highest number of Sikhs in the whole of the UK and yet our 2 MPs are both Hindu Punjabis that have steadfastly refused to stand up for the Sikhs and have consistently stood up for the government of India. These are the 2 local MPs (Sharma and Seema Malhotra), who refused to join in with the debate about the Sikh genocide. These are the 2 local MPs that refused last year to denounce the attack on the Golden Temple. These are the 2 local MPs that were forced upon the local Sikhs by Labour Party HQ in walworth road.

This past year, white MPs all over the UK joined the Sikhs and stood up for the Sikhs and signed declarations supporting the Sikhs. The 2 that didn't are the ones that represent Europe's largest Sikh constituencies. That, in itself, is a matter of shame. Alone, it is doubtful we can kick these 2 to the kerb. But, if the Sikh and Pakistani communities stand together on a platform of fighting against India's atrocities in both Punjab and Kashmir these 2 scumbags can get the boot they so throughly deserve.

Jagsaw if you stand for parliament, you'll have my support!

All talk but who will take action to stem this rot. Really sad state of affairs in Punjab.

What happens in Punjab will affect the rest of India. For all the so called cunning and wilyness of the brahmin, they have proven to be the most short-sighted of all.

Like I said before, the assets of the foreign NGO's that support the missionary activities need to be frozen. Cut out their funding, then the indian missionaries will be like headless chickens.Where are the baniyas with all their money handling skills when we need them?