Ranjeet01

When survival is at stake, all the virtue signalling goes out of the window.

At that moment of time, living by higher values gets you slaughtered. For dharma to prevail adharmic things have to be done.

Do what needs to be done, ensure your survival and then you can self reflect in all the bad things you had to do, and feel shame. 

If you want to ensure that you want to live by higher values, you need to put the mechanisms in place like not having adharmi people and ideologies to take precedence in your society.

Just a pointer for everyone here.

The majority of the Jewish population is Mizrahi.

That is they come from the middle east countries rather than Europe which is the Ashkenazi. 

They make up the bulk of the ultra right wing and have the middle east/arab mindset so they understand the muslim mentality. 

11 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

They have gone a step further then their usual cruelty and evilness. It seems Hamas did this to up the stakes. They have realised that their usual bombings are not making any impact. So this new level of brutality shows that they are becoming more desperate. 

What they are hoping for is that isrealis leave on their own accord by striking a new level of fear into them by beheading babies and killing children to break their resolve. 

Even so many of our own people support palestine and hamas. These same people need to see who they are supporting. 

Just like ISIS. 

Historically speaking this is nothing new.

Many of our people can be very idealistic and we are the type of people who root for the underdog. However, I am not a fan of either side and as like many of us are observing from the side lines.

However, as a people who have had atrocities committed on us from this cult, there are many amongst us who may empathise to some degree with the Israelis in this particular matter. 

The larger picture of course, much of the world that has fought with Islamists understood deep down inside that Israel has to beat Hamas otherwise the other Islamists would get emboldened to re-ignite Jihad in other parts of the world.

I don't know how the Israelis are going to handle Gaza but if the situation was reversed the Palestinians would have created even worse carnage.

If you want to see an example of how muslims deal with non muslim enclaves, take a look at what is happening in Azerbaijan with the Armenian population in Nagorno Karabak. 

40 percentage of 2.2 million Gaza is under the age of 14. That is almost 1 million.

The Israelis left Gaza back in 2005, so it seems that Gazans have been breeding like rabbits so they can create cannon fodder to invade Israel. The reality is that the Gazans don't really care for their children, because if one child is killed, they are going to breed 2 or 3 more. This is their mindset. 

The muslim only understands one thing and that is strength and that is being more savage than they are. That means being more ruthless than they and more bloodthirsty than they are. It is only through fear that they respect. 

Nothing really shocking from a Jihadi to be honest.

Only savagery on these people really works.

You have to out-muslim the muslim in this case unfortunately. It is the only language they understand.

I think the only thing that will stop Hamas is complete genocide of Gaza. 

Not something I am proud or happy to say 

19 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

there's too many Kenya Singhs in those kinda gurdwaras, really chummy chummy with the goras and politicians, fixo the beards to the max and younger generations just trimming it instead of getting into the fixo malarkey, lack of open beards and turbans you can take off like hats, don't make for intimidating or annakhi singhs. I heard that pakistanis try to pickup girls from the Slough Ramgharia gurdwara.  They need to join with the other 2 gurdwaras in Slough to help them out, they can't act like the elders did where they split from the Singh Sabha gurdwara because they were too aggressive, now is the time to use that aggression.  And the Guru Maneyo Granth gets nationwide sangat on Sundays, so just use those numbers in Slough!

in these gurdwaras, gyanis and sewadaars are known by the regular sangat, and regular sangat is close knit. Activities and panjabi schools are also good as most of the same children come. 


In both areas, I don't like the lack of cooperation between Ramgharia and Singh Sabha gurdwaras. Overall it's a benefit to have gurdwaras in at least 2 different locations in big towns and cities. But it's bad if they don't cooperate, especially in major issues that Khalsa is known for. Ramgharia gurdwaras like to rep up Maharaja Jassa Singh Ramgharia, with the Slough gurdwara even having a statue. But the lack of keeping Khalsa rehit, looking too scared and cowardly to keep full beards or open beards, not acknowledging the Khalsa Nihang Singh mentality of Jassa Singh and being stuck in the kenya Singh mentality, not even willing to read Chaupai Sahib properly during Rehras, and many of these Ramgharia gurdwaras are not even willing to keep basic rehit of allowing sitting on the floor for langar and allowing shoes inside as well, all these behaviours aren't working for chardi kala of the panth!

It's like they are trying to keep their own type of sikhi, it's not even a tradition, just being stuck in their own box, they are not in the colonial British army, or serving in the world wars, or making train tracks or some other jobs for the gora, why do they behave this way, this archaic stuff in gurdwara? And doesn't do justice to Jassa Singh Ramgharia, who would have been a rehitee Nihang Singh, annakhi Singhs who defeated the enemies and kept in the brotherhood of the Khalsa with the other misls, even after their whole misl was excommunicated expelled from the panth, they still rejoined the Khalsa and helped defeat the enemies! I don't see them trying to integrate with the rest of the panth in the ramgharia gurdwaras, not like Jassa Singh, obviously it's the elders who instil these mentalities, with some of the youngsters trying to connect back into sikhi!

I do sometimes think that the function of a gurdwara has expanded to things that were not expected before.

We expect them to be political institutions, we want them to be social clubs, we want them to be creches, we want them to be daycare centres. 

1 hour ago, ipledgeblue said:

Also Milton Keynes city in North Bucks only seems to have 2 gurdwaras. The Ramgharia gurdwara has regular sangat, but the other gurdwara run by MK sikh society, seems to mainly only have Sunday Sangat, which is a trend in isolated areas, it's the same for Northamptonshire gurdwaras unless there's a special programme, event, gurpurb etc.

That does seem to be a thing in more isolated areas.

But I like those kind of gurdwareh. 

22 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

The suls have written 'Islam will rule' in large graffiti on a railway bridge right next to Ramgarhia Gurdwara, obviously as an act of provocation and the damn committee have done nothing about it, it's been up there for quite a while. I guess we are a cowardly community now. Lots of infighting but haven't got the bottle to paint over this graffiti. The sign for the same Gurdwara on the main Stoke Poges Lane road has also been deliberately changed to point in the wrong direcrion, no doubt the work of suls again. I remember back in the 90s apne threw a pig's head in a mosque as retaliation for them burning the Nishan Sahib, where has that fighting spirit gone? 

These damn committee members were smashing each others cars a few years ago over elections so they have thugs in their midsts, so why can't these thugs do anything about this graffiti? 

Any suggestions on what could be done? 

Paint over the graffiti and move the sign in the right direction for starters. 

The community is gradually moving out of these areas, it's a slum now. Once the elders have passed, the exodus will probably expedite.

57 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

I have moved just outside of North Bucks in Northamptonshire. They have even taken over the commercial restaurants all the way up here, 2 halal Taco Bells, halal KFC, and their regular nationwide stuff like Tim Hortons, Popeyes, Pizza Express

I personally don't touch that junk food. 

There are far better restaurants that make far better food. 

Put your money in better food establishments. 

3 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Yes quite a few suls in High Wycombe and Oxford, both of which had grooming gang cases. 

Do you know much about Osterley and Isleworth? Are they worth exploring? 

Osterley and Isleworth are OK areas for the Hounslow areas but if you look at the Hounslow town centre, it is even more of a dump than Slough is. Hounslow is like about 20 years ahead of what Slough is now.

You cannot really get away from the Muslims because they are in those areas also. There is a mosque (which has been around for more than 20 plus years) as you make your way to Green School I think where I had a cousin of my mine go to.

The immigration surge in Slough is  due in part to Hounslow dumping a lot of their refugees into Slough. I know this because I had someone I know of who worked in the council.

I know of people who live in Hounslow and if they have enough money, they are moving into areas like Richmond.

That is what I have realised about our people is that you cannot really have a Sikh area because we ultimately attract other ethnic groups and it then becomes swamped.

Our strength is our open-ness and inclusivity but this also results in the above. Either our people become exclusive and do not sell to non Sikhs or we do not put a house on rent and move out, or do what the Jews do which is the whole community chip's in a buys the house from the fellow Sikh and sell to another Sikh and do not allow the new Sikh to put it on rent to refugees.

I do not think our people have that kind of thinking.

So what is resulting is our people are spreading out and never living in close proximity to one another. You have areas in towns where you can 5-10 per cent Sikhs but you can never tell because they never cluster too close to one another. They also do not do their houses up in the typical way that attracts attention.

25 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

I think you are safe in Bucks for the time being, but they will try their luck there eventually. Looking back I should have bought in Richings Park but my thoughts about schooling and my family situation at the time meant I bought here. 

I give myself 20-30 years as a cycle and see what happens. By that time, I will be much older. 

Parts of Bucks such as High Wycombe already has an established Muslim community. So in some cases, Sikhs who move in some of these parts are the newcomers whereas the Muslims are older community.

Muslims who live in these types of towns, moved into council housing and have their own enclaves where the town is still mostly goreh, however Sikhs who move to these kind of towns are typically part of a middle class.

24 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

The outside Slough primary schools might be an option, I will see how the demographics develop in this area in the next few years. I wouldn't want to carry on living here if more and more of them move in. 

Where do you live if you don't mind me asking. 

The issue with Slough is the immigration, one ethnic group pushes out another ethnic group which pushes out another ethnic group.

It creates a knock on effect.

I live in the Bucks area.

19 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Yes that's a good idea, I will also see if it's possible to visit some of these schools for open days to check out the demographics. 

Those IT types really force acedemia on their kids to the detriment of their all round development.

I'll also check out some other areas to potentially move to.

It sucks because I just bought this house 3 years ago and put a lot of time, effort and money into doing it up thinking I would live here for at least 20 years if not my whole life. 

Well I guess one way to think about it is with your son being 3. You got a 7 year window for him to go Grammar School with 11 plus. That will give you 10 years in the area.

You could send him to an outside primary school like a lot of Slough Sikhs do. If he gets into Grammar School then he has another 7 years on top of that, it will make it 17 years in the area.

If he does not get into Grammar School, then the schooling gets tricky.

40 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

I'm very worried about my 3 year old son.

I live in Langley, Slough a nice place generally. In the last 5 years more suls have moved into the area. They are pumping out their usual 3-4 kids and due to that we may not fall into the catchment area for one of the best primary schools in the area. The school have literally told us that higher birth rates is the reason. 10 years ago there was no issue. 

But then I'm thinking I don't want my son going to such a school if that's what the demographics are going to be, I don't want him to experience the sul menace I did.

The school will likely drop in standards as well with more of them. 

Each time I take him to the local park it's mostly full of sullees with their hordes of kids. I have no idea how they afford to live in this area with one person's salary and that many kids. Every house being sold here is usually to them or South Indian IT workers (who I don't mind). I think most apne my age have left or are leaving the area, it's just their parents left. Slough High Street is a dump full of halal eateries. 

There are some very good grammar schools here, that is the only thing that might keep me here and my widowed father lives very close. 

These guys just follow us everywhere and we're always running away from them.

What to do? Sell up? I'm thinking maybe go towards Osterley/Isleworth where we outnumber them. 

 

Have a contingency plan and put a strategy in place with what you have said  in mind.

Maybe look to put your kid into a primary school maybe in an area outside of your local area as an option.

The Slough Sikh Community is moving into South Bucks area. Like we mentioned before, there is a typically a 30 year cycle where a Sikh stronghold starts to change.

The Grammar School system  in Slough has become increasingly competitive and like you mentioned with those South Indian IT types in Langley will begin to hog up those grammar school places.

Controversial view:

Where there are several sisters in one family, you could have one guy marrying at least two of the sisters. I can guarantee the girls family might be up for that.

However, the boys mother may not be too happy with that as it would create a power struggle with daughter-in-laws coming from the same family.

I have watched this.

In a nutshell, Jagjit is relaying UK experiences that could be used to help the US Sikh experience.

He made suggestions that maybe US Sikhs should not be so spread out and maybe the US Sikhs should live in close proximity to each other and maybe buy land and build their own communities. 

8 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Hit the nail on the head again. 

This is how apne are decorating their houses nowadays, ugly AF in my opinion, Southall has many such properties and they're becoming more common in Slough as well. Another problem is that the roads get full of parked cars because there are so many adults living in one house, sometimes 6!

 

Richings Park is majority apne now, I think it's mostly rich people from Southall. A lot have destroyed character properties into monstrosities like above. But overall it's still a very nice area. 

That grey paint,grey window, composite door style is very popular.

Very surprised with the lawn for the 2nd picture though.

Went to Germany a few years ago, and there are houses with that type of style but it works over there. Here not so much

11 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

1,000,000%

My wife's cousin and even my own neighbour have said they want to move to a more mixed area, i.e. more goreh. I keep telling them that the goreh don't want you there, they don't want to live in a mixed area and I have no problem with that. I've had goreh neighbours twice in my life and I could tell they didn't/don't like having so many South Asians living next to them. 

As you said, as soon as a few Indians move into an area then more flock there leading to white flight and then the Indians wanting to move again. 

And you're also right about friends, I've had one Gujarati friend and everyone else has been Sikh. Birds of a feather. I've had many goreh acquaintances but never someone I could call a friend. 

Goreh are tolerant to a certain percentage, but after that then they start to leave.

I went to Richings Park, Iver to someone's home. These are nice homes (probably now £1 million value) , but with more money our people have the more downhill the area gets.

What starts off as quite a green area quickly becomes over-developed, concreted over. It becomes very slu

You can go to any area and tell pretty quickly which are the apneh's house.

It's quite embarrassing that a chavy gora estate looks in better nick than our areas.

We should actually buy an industrial estate and move into the industrial units. There is no grass, plenty of parking and got enough space for storage. Less need to extend but if you want to you can (let's face it, there is never enough space for our people) and we have enough space to rent it out to as many illegals as you wish. Industrial estates look like slums anyway so there is no fear of the estate deteriorating.

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It's the circle of life. More of them are getting well off so this will increase, especially as they pump out more children. 

Apne must be strong and hold on to where we live but we are generally a bunch of goreh followers so we want to move to places where they live but over time that just causes white flight in those areas. 

I keep explaining to our people that want to move to these gora areas that goreh don't want to live with us, whether it is the working, middle or upper class. 

One of the things you hear from our people is that they don't want their children to be living in enclaves and want them to be able to mix with other groups.

This is something that stated by the mothers (they are generally the instigators of this), specifically if they are upwardly social mobile professional types.

However, what seems to happen is the kids in general hang around their own ethnic group in these schools. Over time, our ethnic group grows larger until the other subcontinental groups flock towards us and then one particular group will infest and it starts all over again.

I think maybe the Sikh schools is largely a good idea as schooling is something that helps keep our areas intact as well as the Gurdwara.

What also would help is that if a Sikh family moves, the rest of the community get together and buy the house and sell the house to another Sikh family. But that is very unlikely to happen.

Our people have the propensity to rent the house out which can denigrate the area or if the house is sold, it will go to you know who.

33 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What does that mean long term though, that we up and move whenever these f**kers start turning up? We might as well be nomads then. 

No idea.

But for many of our people, our perception of what is quality of life is measurably higher when these lot are not there. I think it is because we intuitively understand what is going to happen.

5 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

20-30 years seems about right. This is my 20th year living in the Langley/Upton area and there were a lot of apne already here so you can say we've been here in big numbers for a good 25 years. I've noticed suls coming here in increasing numbers in the past 3 years or so, no one wore kurta pyjamas or Arabic man-skirts here 5 years ago but they're fairly common now. The only Indians moving here now are the Indian IT crowd from South India or Maharashtra, the occasional Sikh family from India who have some money. UK born Sikhs are moving to places like Stoke Poges, Gerrards Cross, Iver. No doubt the suls will follow us there as well. 

My plan was to stay here until my son finished school at 18 but I'm not sure I'll last that long given the demographic change. 

Suls pump out 3-4 kids compared to our 2 kids. So they will be the majority in schools in the future.

I don't understand how they afford the houses in the first place, their women don't work plus they have extra mouths to feed. 

My observations is that there is two types of Muslims when it comes to migration patterns.

There is the clannish side, so if one family moves to an area, then one of their cousins and relatives want to move there as well. Our people have a level of autonomy in that we like to have a degree of boundary from our relatives. We are not keen to necessarily live close to each other.

The clan Muslims want to live close to each other as much as living on the same street or a couple of doors away from each other.

Our people do not have this level of co-dependancy that clan Muslims have.  Our close-nitted Ness is not the same as their close nitted Ness.

Then you have the other type of Muslim, they are the more religious penguin and hijabi types. They seem to be more religious, maybe higher up the social ladder and they live in more far flung areas where you would find other communities. They seem to avoid the clan muslims. 

I suspect that there are groups of muslims that want to keep away from other muslims.

You must note that since there are a lot of cab drivers of this community, they keep a note of where our people are moving to.

They manage to afford these houses by obtaining mortgages via non conventional routes. They have been using brokers for decades and a lot of times their mortgage providers are not institutions you have ever heard of.

Our people are typically straightforward on these things, if you want to find an alternative way of doing things or some loop holes, these people are experts. 

I suspect the reason why you have seen more of them moving jnto your area is that around covid time, you had the stamp duty holiday in purchasing properties. The 3 years you have mentioned seem to co-incide during that time..

My personal opinion is that schooling is a big factor for our people moving but they are caught up with their parent's belligerent non budging out of an area. There are areas that have gone past their sell by date for our people.

33 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

askeeping rottweilers, blasting bhangra every weekend at some party and letting off fireworks at midnight. 

Apneh are now increasingly getting those little dogs you can fit in a bag.

The days of getting a proper solid kuttah like an Alsation is becoming a thing of the past.

I had a friend who used to go to Castleview school (Langley I think) in the 1980s and he was the apnah in his class with the rest being goreh. Of course that is now longer the case.

Wonder what the cycle of apneh living in an area is before it becomes an Islamic area. Is it around 20 or 30 years?

Sometimes in life you have to go through dukh to get to the sukh

2 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

it is cult like, it is based off PKMC which used to be run by the late Tarmala who was notorious for giving out brahmgyani certificates. You will see a successive set of videos of Tarmala's jatha arguin with a group of gyanis in a pend. There is also a video of turbans being tossed in a Tarmala simran video.

For some obvious biased reasons, terms similar to "cult-like" are supposed to be banned on this forum from a few years ago!

The simran sounds harmless on most days, and it is the AKJ style naam dhrir. However, when Bhai Ajit Singh does the sessions on Sundays, then it goes in madness and angriness. They always promote the Sunday simran sessions when I went to a few Anand Karaj there, I just had to walk out of that Sunday session after a few minutes, even though a Kenya uncle I know used to tell me that I should go visit and it's "peaceful". I have seen children in that gurdwara Langar hall shouting something that doesn't sound like Waheguru at all, that's how messed up their simran is! Children aren't even taught to say waheguru and instead taught to follow the leader!!!

Also I have seen people in the car park matha tek to Bhai Ajit Singh's feet, he is treated like some baba/Sant type figure. He has also been caught out in videos getting bani pangtis wrong! If you go further in this forum, you will find some sinister gangster type murder stuff as well! Also people travel from far away just to come to the Sunday divans. This also used to be the case when their gurdwara was in Swindon, before they moved to Slough!

Simran is supposed to be done in sehaj avastha! People at the places and rehnsbais take the mick unfortunately!

I think that the couple of times I went there it was a Sunday.

You are correct about the avastha!

When you have listened/read Bani and done naam simran for a long time you become more highly attuned to the vibrations or the avastha of a place or even the people you are around.

When you step foot inside a gurdwara you automatically feel that the environment is at a far higher level. It is quite hard to describe in words, but I typically feel more at ease but in this particular gurdwara during this programme in the darbar hall it felt uneasy. Something did not feel right.

There is a sizeable South American community in the UK. Particularly in London. Parts of South London have Colombians now as well as Brazilians which is quite surprising. 

The local gym I go to has a Colombian personal trainer and I think the most well known Colombian in the UK is one of those YouTube stars called Yung Filly though he was raised in the UK.

He wants a hot s3xy latina