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3 hours ago, Jassu said:

Indeed. The next hub of massive population growth will be Africa and we will see insane emigration from Africa as well. There will be many Africans in European/American lands in the coming decades.

As long as India will be a developing country, it will still have a growing population as the birth rate isn’t as dire as European countries. European countries are doomed.

Does anyone have any idea as to why Sikhs have the lowest birth rate in India? Isn’t one of our main teachings to create a family? Just a couple decades ago, our grandparents were having 8+ children, smh. Sometimes I think modernisation is a big mistake.
 

 

Tfr  (Total Fertility Rate ) has to be above 2.1 which is the replacement rate.

The Sikh population tfr in Indis if I am correct is about 1.6

I suspect it has partly to do with the education of Sikh women. Educated women marry later and have less children. Also I suspect family planning is probably playing a part as well with knowledge of contraception. Having less children Is seen as being modern and advanced (progressive )

I suspect also with scans to tell the sex of children, if there is a boy born, a couple will stop having any more children saying that their family is complete. That phrase is used quite a lot "family complete".

But is a worldwide trend.

13 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Anand Karaj at earlier ages instead of older ages.

So what makes certain communities increase fertility rate like those in African and Muslim countries?

Muslim countries fertility rates are dropping as well. Just not as fast as in western countries. 

It is subsaharan African countries that have increased significantly.  Likely because being the least developed and with immunisation that reduces child mortality.

Infertility rates are increasing around the world 

Sperm counts are dropping. 

Post vaccine Covid, birth rates have plummeted with increased rates of still births etc (not insinuating anything here hmm..hmm.)

Testosterone rates are dropping in men over the decades (apparently this is due to the increase in plastics and all those xeno-estrogens )

Currently the world population is 8 billion but I reckon this will drop in the next 50 years.

10 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

I mean to the western governments, a Hindu economic migrant from Gujurat is equal to a Sikh economic migrant from Punjab. 

An economic migrant brings money in.

I think the influx of the population  has come from all the student visas.

Very interesting how the Hindu population is also increased quite considerably. 

It is no coincidence that the significant increase of Hindus has impacted the Sikh political protests. 

Whereas previously Sikhs in Canada had little open opposition  (my observation ) , there does seem to be an influx of Hindutva types in Canada.

It does seem that the India Hindu groups have begun to assert themselves in western countries like Canada and Australia. 

I suspect when the UK census comes out, the Hindu population is going to be a lot higher.

This seems to have played a part of the increased Hindu assertiveness against the muslims in Leicester. A lot of the Hindu mob like behaviour in the UK (as per some reports ) come from more recent migrants and they seem to come from particular parts of India. 

There were Sikh-Hindu in Australia and the Hindu migrants came from Haryana.

Typically Hindu migrants (India not Sri Lanka)came from certain areas like Gujurat, Punjab, they are now coming from all other areas and they are not all white collar IT types.

Hindutva India seems to be strategically migrating people to keep overseas diasporas in check.

On 10/26/2022 at 9:38 PM, ChardikalaUK said:

Or if he fails to fix the economy they'll blame it on an Indian. 

I don't think he would care to tell you the truth.

The elites have selected him. They could care less if he is Indian.

If he does a 2 year stint to take then to the general elections and if Labour get into power then he will become Lord Sunak of Harrow, lol

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

A third-eye opener?

Glandular fever, the pineal kind

13 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

these Punjabaans cause as hell aint sikh , do all sorts matha tek in any and all mandhirs , muslim shrines and christian churches , I believe it is the neeteja of being lax in teaching them tru sikhi from the get go. They with their hindu mates do stupid superstitious nonsense , even get toone to achieve God knows what  and try to act like the filmi set , when they have jackshit to do with it.

My sister was bullied by her saas to wear sindoor , knowing full well her own husband didn't last despite her own wearing of it , but I guess that is the problem of having hindu companions all the time .

These types are lost and deluded 

They are caught up in maya and all the attachments with those 5 thieves. 

1 of the 4 Vedas is about occult practices. That was quite an eye opener for me.

Personally speaking I find myself quite indifferent to Rishi Sunak as PM.

He was selected by the elites to become PM.

Before Liz Truss became PM, the Tory MPs wanted him as PM whereas most of the Tory Party members chose Truss. 

If that does not tell you the inner circle and the outer circle of the Tory party. 

The fact that they chose an PM within 1 week compared to the 6 weeks also tells you that they were not going to make the same mistake. 

Compared to the other MPs during lockdown, he probably shown more competency as Chancellor than Patel or Hancock etc in their respective roles.

But if there is one thing you can realise is that the PM does not run the country. 

15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

The moon and that round tray aesthetic is

You see the wives doing this devoted carry on for their husbands as if they're these fine specimens of manhood... until you see them and they're little fat-bellied pigs. 

Though this Karvachauth is the least of our worries. 

The question is what are the other occulty things do our women folk get up to that our men folk are not even aware of.

According to Hindu scriptures, the Trinity have appeared multiples times in multiple universes and everytime they appear there is a new Puraana that is written.

It is almost like they are clones that are replicated in every new universe that is created. 

Another theory is that the trinity are basic constitutions of the neutron, proton and electron. Though I am not a physicist. 

Though as a Sikhi we are above and beyond and worship the Akaal, Hindu scriptures are fascinating stories. 

17 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Something I always wonder is why the Western pagan kingdoms chose to stop being seen as "gods" by their subjects as chose to adopt Christianity and many African societies along with SouthEast Asian societies voluntarily converting to Islam where their status of godhhood becomes something of the distant past, while in societies like Japan and India, they still believe their main leaders are gods, (for Japan it's their monarch being descendant from a god, while in India people be doing murti pooja to Modi). 

Political power of the elites in the case of European countries to a large degree. 

However, as Europe becomes a post Christian society they are going back to their pagan past. 

Japan resisted Christianity in 16th/17th century and had imposed two centuries worth of isolation before the Meiji restoration.

The muslim South East Asian countries like Malaysia and Indonesia still have Buddhist / Hindu undercurrents in their society.

3 hours ago, MokhamSingh said:

These three deities are created by the creator to carry out certain tasks.

Some people worship them as God…but Gurbani states that these three have been scammed by maya. 
 

Anything scammed by maya cannot lead to mukti (liberation). Only the creator Akal Purakh can give mukti…

I guess if they have to come down to the world with all the wordly things that go on then they probably would get caught up in maya 

But for these entities that seem to be billions and maybe trillions of years old, they do seem to be quite immature with each other as they fought with each other and you would expect better from them.

They themselves seem to be caught up in a cycle if they keep coming back again and again in various incarnations and I am sure Bani has mentioned that there are multiple Shiva, multiple Vishnu and multiple Brahma. 

The Vedas, Puranas seem to be fascinating literature. Just wondering if Hindu scriptures have personified and story-telled ancient scientific phenomenon to make it digestible for a human audience who would not understand otherwise. 

In the pantheon of devtas that is believed in pagan societies across the world, the same "gods" appear again and again but the Trinity seem to be a bit different between the Hindus and other pagan societies. 

Bani acknowledges all these entities but then cuts through all that and says that there is one creator. When you focus on naam, everything else seems to inconsequential. 

Bani mentioned these 3 and we know they are avatars and one is a creator, one is a sustainer and one is a destroyer.

Bani mentions that these 3 being around multiple times and there being multiple Shiva,  Vishnu and Brahma and it seems that the universe comes into creation, sustained for a bit and then dissolves. 

The vedic scriptures obviously discusses them in great detail. And Hindus worship them like god, though now that I understand the Vedas a tiny bit better, I think I understand why our Gurus reject the Vedas but they do acknowledge the Vedas.

Are these 3 entities or are they just universal phenomenon that the ancient Vedic Hindus gave names to so that they understand the cosmos better?

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

1947 is also an example. We were heavily outnumbered by muslims in Punjab but inflicted more damage on them than vice versa. Again it was them who started it. 

The muslims breed like rabbits but what they don't realise is how much poverty it causes them. 

This kind of mob violence is something us Sikhs try to avoid as much as possible, we are very reluctant. 

The other 2 communities love to indulge in it.

But I think I may have mentioned this before but I think our propensity for violence when unleashed is something to behold because when we lose it we really lose it.

It's like a person who has a long fuse and very rarely lose their temper but they are very hard to control once it is lost.

I think many of us Sikh somewhere inside know this about our nature. We are not scared of others per se but we are more afraid of what we become.

Like in 1947, we unleashed far more destruction on the muslims but it disgusts us and we hated for doing what we had to do, whereas they don't have any feelings of guilt at all of the things they did. 

We are wired differently. 

I think if neuroscientists did tests on us Sikhs compared to the other communities I imagine the neuroscientists would confirm this. I think we probably operate on a different vibration/frequency. We clearly operate at a far higher avasta and then we have to lower ourselves to a more more primitive level.

We may all come from the same part of the world and share some ancestory and dna/ heritage etc but I honestly believe that we have diverged from the other 2 communities in a lot of intangible ways.

7 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

From what happened last week it looked like the Hindus started it and the muslims ended up on top with what happened in Birmingham. 

You're right apne don't really bully minorities, we are racist though.

I can't blame the Hindus to some extent when it comes to suls. Their leadership let them down big time allowing huge amounts of suls to stay behind after partition. We've been fortunate to have an almost sul free Punjab, we only know what suls are like due to living next to them in the west. Punjab has the lowest percentage of suls in all of India.

Suls like to push the boat to see what they can get away with and when they go too far like they did in Myanmar recently, the majority community finally has enough and retaliate. If they were a community that kept their head down and worked hard no one would hate them but they just try to push their way of life on all of us. They have conflicts with every other religion. 

The muslims cannot really do much in Leicester so they picked an easy target in Birmingham. 

And they use what they are good at which is the numbers game. 

I wish there was a community that breeds at higher rates than the muslims so that when the muslims try to get their numbers that they get out-numbered by another community. 

As to your post that you mentioned about us Sikhs being outnumbered by mobs from other communities is that although we are quite a docile race, we have a knack of being extremely well organised and disciplined when the time comes and this bodes well when tackling an unruly mob particularly when being outnumbered. 

It's like some kind of dormant gene that gets activated.

You saw how quickly our community galvanised during 2011 riots, how quickly during the Kisaan protests.

Like MrrSingh said we are a walking contradiction. 

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

The thing is that Hindus will only give it the large when in a significant majority and as soon as the numbers turn against them they pretty much give up. The only exception I've seen to this is the Tamil Hindus of Sri Lanka.

They also have appalling unity, did the Punjabi, Tamil, Nepali Hindus come to help the Gujaratis? Nope. Yet you had Arabs and Somalians helping the Indian muslims and Pakistanis. 

Sikhs historically have always been a minority in India and even greater Punjab so we are used to fighting when the numbers are against us. Just look at how we retaliated against the muslims of UP who heavily outnumber us when they tried to take our land. Even in Hyderabad Sikhs have fought against Muslims who make up a huge amount of the city. 

 

One major factor for the Hindus are doing what they are doing in the UK is the political backing.

The Hindu political leadership in India is comprised of Gujjus and it is the Gujju diaspora that is spearheads in countries abroad. 

Even if we had this level of political backing, we Sikhs don't do what these two other communities do. 

We are wired differently.

Even if we were an overwhelming majority, we don't pick on other communities. 

But for some reason, these two other communities love to use their numbers. 

But as a neutral observer, it is interesting to see Muslims in the UK on the back foot. 

The Hindu lobby groups seem to have turned the tables on the Muslim lobby groups. 

The police and local authorities seem to protect Muslims but they look quite helpless. 

Muslim lobby groups seem to infiltrate systems from a lower level but the Hindu lobby groups seem to be excercise from a higher level.

So it seems to be top-down vs bottom-up.

47 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Stabbing up family and blood relatives for jameen is fine, though.

We are walking contradictions.

We love to do our violence at a micro level but are hesitant at a macro level.

We do our violence differently, it takes a lot for us to get down to the macro level.

What the Hindus have shown (They have decades of experience in India) is that when you stand toe to toe in mob violence with Muslims,  the muslims b1tch and scream and play victim.

When they cannot use their usual tactics and are unable to use their numbers, they capitulate very quickly. 

I think we are the very few communities that can exert extreme violence historically but we feel great aversion to go down to mob violence route. 

Though I am completely neutral in this Hindu -Muslim spat, it is an interesting case study.

If I am not mistaken, there has been an influx of Hindu students/migrants into the UK as part of some trade deal with India.

It is quite plausible that there are definitely Hindutva elements in there.

My understanding is that this particular incident stems from an India-Pakistan cricket match and the Pakistani muslim started attacking Hindu businesses etc (though it was reported that these muslims  were largely from outside Leicester ).

Mob violence is largely a numbers game and Leicester has a very high population of Hindus and particularly Gujerati Hindus who are the most ardent Hinduvatis. 

1 hour ago, AsilentUser said:

We are a divided kaum, one group is busy with doing  langar here and there and other group is busy in kaam/mauj /party and among them is very few  who raises legimate issue and tries to stop anti sikhi activities like inter religion marriages in gurdwara and raising awareness regarding forced conversion into xtian but this group is such a small that it doesn't create much impact in the internet age.

That's where I don't like quantity vs quality debate we need numbers if we had numbers like muslims, and hindus even if among them like 1% would be true to panth still that would count to 10 to 15 million people and this is a big group in social media age and these people can shape narratives . 

 

It is at the extremes where our kaum is divided. The majority of the silent majority falls in the middle.

It is like a bell curve. 

The extremes seem to be the most loud. They amplify everything.