Ranjeet01

There is only one true sovereign.

57 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Why do the same pool of Sikh emigrants who go to European countries not chimp out over here? 

Is it the safety / comfort of being a proportionally larger minority in  a Canada that panders to Sikhs that gives them the confidence to throw their weight around? 

I've seen the same type of dead-eyed, predatory Sikh immigrant in the UK who could've easily gone to Canada, but when they come here they don't let out a peep.

The more recent student migrants are not liked by the older migrants of Keneda. 

I have a relative who went "study based" and they mentioned that even in the gurdwaras that the older migrants do not know  why these "students " are in Keneda and they should go back to Punjab.

This is a gurdwara in Surrey. You cannot get more Sikh or theth Punjabi than Surrey BC (more so than in Punjab)

There is more open disgust  there than what is compared to the UK.

I suspect the UK recent migrant acts differently is because the UK recent migrant does not look at the established UK Sikh population in the same way. They do not consider us as Sikh or even a fellow Punjabi. They look at us as Westerners, they largely do not distinguish us with the indigenous whites. 

However, the bulk of Keneda population is probably 20 years more established and the differences are far less and there is more similarities. So coming to somewhere like Surrey or Brampton there is less need to integrate and be on guard so they are more like themselves.

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

. I went to a Indian supermarket to get the usual supplies, and the amount of crusty brown feet in flip-flops was too damn high! (I'm joking btw).

Our people need to moisturise their feet. Particularly around the heels as that is where the cracks are.lol 

If we had a Sikh state and we offered the Afghan and Pakistani Sikhs emigration, how many would come?

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

This guy just had the guts to say what many western Punjabis think. if it was not true you wouldn't find 70-80% of turbaned Sikhs(including amritdhari women) cutting their hair the moment they land on foreign soil. You can't convince me that the avg new Punjabi that lands on western soil knows anything about Sikhi. I live in the city which gets maximum new Punjabi immigrants and I am so disheartened by seeing the truth. The Punjabis that came here before the 2000s are completely assimilated and prefer to rather be friends with goras than their own. Sorry but it is the truth.

No actually that is not necessarily true. 

It maybe true in some cases but not in all.

I have been involved in questionnaires with thousands of Sikhs over the years and with petitions,  we are a mixed bag but overwhelming pro Sikh. 

The silent majority of the least religious Sikhs are pro Sikh for the most part.

12 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Even now Pakistan is having devastating floods  Turkey and other Muslim countries are sending them help. If this happens in Punjab who will come help us? No One! That is why demography matters which these quality over quantity lot don't understand and in addition we have neither.

The becoming pawn thing all comes down to inferiority complex which majority of Sikhs suffer from due to being powerless. Men want to conquer the world but for some reason we have Sikh men saying we can spread Sikhi without having any political power which is quite strange to me. Its like they have no vision for the future. Majority of people didn't become Christians and Muslims out of their own will. People are attracted to these religions because they have strong political powers so being members of these groups give them social benefits.

Sikhi completely failed in Punjab for sure. I look at an avg Punjabi that comes to Canada and can say with certainty it failed completely. These people know nothing and care about nothing other than materialism. Poverty for conversion is just an excuse. Why don't poor starving Muslims convert?

Sikh shave 0 vision other than trying to show how liberal they are and  being proud of wasting their own resources on their enemies. Gurudwara langars are just used for eating free food by most people.

Just look at this guy lol. Your avg American Poonjabi tying to do anything to get goras approval. A materialistic inferiority complex ridden people.

 

 

Don't take a few snippets of social media and think that this some how represent most Sikhs when it does not.

This is a very scewed misinterpretation of a tiny minority whose voice gets amplified. 

Better to have a horseshyte country with barn yard dancing than wait for some utopia that will never come.

Who cares about deep rooted this and deep rooted that.

There is no perfect society.

Let's just have our own country.

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

i saw this. Why do our people have this savior complex? Cant save their own but the first in line to help random people. Why?

I thought about this and I think it is our concept of Seva and shaheedi taken to the extreme. 

The concept of selflessness skewed to the extreme where you put everyone else before yourself. 

The concept of sacrifice taken to the extreme because our Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed and put Hindus before his own life. So our people have followed the Guru's way.

The Bhai Khanaiya syndrome as well has not helped. 

I think we see these things as unconditional rather than with caveats. 

I am not necessarily talking about Saints but more like ordinary everyday people who would typically be Satyugi type people.

These types of people might be completely unaware of what they are but find themselves out of sorts in the type of society we live in. 

I sometimes get the feeling that Maharaj's hukam works paradoxically in some cases as well as linearly and cyclically.

It must be some kind of test to see how these Satyugi types cope in a scenario in which they would typically struggle in.

Conversely for all we know there may have been Kalyugi types in Satyug era.

These are just my thoughts.

I don't know about this trans stuff, but I truly believe that there are people born in the wrong yug. Must feel like a fish out of water.

18 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I think the Dads might be able to do a reasonable job in protecting their daughters, but it will also require the Mums to be open about the issues that their daughters need to be wary of

I'd prefer they don't have to learn the hard way !

'Freshies' attend the Gurdwara in high numbers, right? Having talks a few times a year to raise awareness would do something at least.

Also, how much of the 'them vs us' attitude that 'Freshies' might have is because they are aware that many of the earlier settled generations in the UK, have 'looked down' on them? Maybe we should stop labelling them 'Freshy' and use a more neutral term?

No one looks down on them. The fact that earlier generations give them advice is because we want them to succeed and not make the mistakes we made.

7 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think the trend of British-born Sikh guys marrying Punjabi brides has died down now. It needed to happen. Those brides of the 90s (later, mothers) passed on that greedy mentality (having come from literal huts and villages) to their offspring, which is probably why much of that generation (now in their late teens / early 20s) are still expounding caste-related nonsense, and seem to be completely unhinged when it comes to accumulating objects and flashing their wealth. The fathers (Gen X-ers) are clueless British fudhoos as one would expect, so most of this behaviour is inherited from the overly bhukki mother.

The post-2005 Indian arrivals who came via Italy, Portugal, Spain, Bulgaria, etc., are something else, lol. They have a commendable work ethic (to a degree), but they have zero desire to pay their dues. Very impatient. They see what our elders worked 30,40,50 years to build, and these clowns want it all in 3 years. They have no idea how our elders put in the graft and sacrificed so much. In some ways their greed is greater than anything we've ever seen over here. Their entitlement is off the scale. But, strangely, they're also a little more aware of the Indian state's shenanigans, and therefore slightly more politically aware. But it's all very superficial and ultimately it's still that old Punjabi thing of waiting for Superman to descend from the clouds and provide a solution to the bigger problems. Their religiosity is also a load of posturing. It's very insincere.

Gen X fudoo blokes with all their cluelessness happen to be this way because of how they were brought up.

We are not one mass of people, we all migrated out of Punjab at different stages and our circumstances and values dictate of our tempremant, personality and outlook. 

Gen X grew up at a time with mothers out of the 1960s who are a different breed compared to the ones who came in the 1990's. 

This generation was brought up with tinted glasses because you might have gone to Punjab for holidays and people were very different then and you did not see the mass migration of freshies. The parents of those Xers pushed a narrative of "Gora Bad! Indian Good!" It's not Gen Xers fault. 

Like I might have mentioned before we Punjabi Sikhs (like all the other subcontinent ethnic groups) always felt a sense of moral superiority over the gora.

We have been brought up with delayed gratification whereas the new arrivals have instant gratification. Amongst other things we have seen the freshies indulge in, I think that moral superiority we might have felt has probably gone.

The post 2005 freshie's were brought up with India Govt schenigans so it stands to reason they are clued up. We did not grow up there so we would we?

Now we have reach the 2020s, the various Sikh communities probably walk in different directions.

The only time maybe when an older established Sikh may interact with the freshie Sikh is when they need some buidling work done.

Later generations of arrivals will not appreciate the sacrifices made by the earlier arrivals

They are either indifferent or don't care. 

I cannot relate to them and they will not with us.

They do not consider us as one of them. We may have the same roots and heritage but we are different types of people. 

They look at us and think "Why are these lot lecturing us on how things are done. I had my 2 phulke and know more than these dumba $$es"

To any older generation Sikhs, lets not lecture the freshie's. Let them get on with their puttheh kam and let us get on with our own business.