jasvendrasingh

Bhaji, we ARE cheating the Great Guru. But the problem is that people who control Gurdwaras are negligent in this duty. if they set some kind of program whereby families who have Akhand Paths, have a specific duty involving paath-pooja, then things can get better.

Akhand paaths are booked months in advance so no family could use the excuse that they don't know what to do, or can't learn what to do.

Committees only care about money, in my experience.

Actually what I want to point is why indulge in the ritualism ? cannot we spare 2-3 hrs per day to do path ourselves at home if we really want a thanksgiving , we can perform full sehaj path in 10-15 days , and we will really get laha of understanding Baani really .Which in turn make us eligible for more kirpa from the eternal Force.

Who are you specifically speaking about here?

Who are you specifically speaking about here?

Who are you specifically speaking about here?

i am speaking from my own experience , it is not a heresay

Yes to be an average Sikh the kesh is NOT mandatory it is optional however to be a Amritdhari Khalsa Sikh one must keep kesh as its one of the 5 k's of the martial order.

do you know what Guru ji said about kesh - DHARE KESH PAHUL BINA BHEKHA DHARI SIKH , further - Kahe yo /gobind singh sune he piyare Bina Kes tegang(Gis silent ) karo na didarey ( Rehatnama bhai Daya Singh ) Now it is upto ourselves what we think about it .

It is only upto ourselves what

I do

I guess that went without saying.

matter & the fact is shouldnot we hate ourselves , that we cannot spare time to listen to Gurbani or recite ourselves , instead we bewhy cannt lieve in ritualism of getting the Paath done , are not we trying to cheat ourselves & guru Sahib ji , our ten Guru Sahibaan taught us to rise above Ritualism and we still fall for it ?Why cannot we spare

TIME TO atleast listen the Paath if we want to get it done , do we not have even 2days spare in the name of Guru? biggest shame is on the person who is getting it done by paying for it.

prem sumarag granth

bhai gurdaas ji vaaran

guru dasam granth sahib

guru sarbloh granth sahib

Rattan Singh Bhangu works

Kavi Santokh Singh works

There are works written by Singhs themselves like Shaheed Bhai Mehtab Singh ji.

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Bro , are you not proud to be SINGH? ou r faith teaches us to rise above the casteism , and we still stick to our castes, but claim to be KHALSA ? Please give my suggestions a thought

FATEH

We in our family do paath ourselves , if necessary , wherever family members reside (we are all doing Jobs ) ,local sangat joins to help in case of need opting for daytime rauls , the night duties are taken by family members voluntarily . If necessary no is not present , we go for sehaj path , continuing recitation 8-12 hrs daily and performing samapti bhog on fixed date .This way , we get to recite and listen baani and able to understand and imbibe the values taught by Guru Sahib ji in gurbaani .

We do not wish to take pride in it , just we are doing what has been taught by our great parents and the MAha purushs we came across in our life , we are just following the way of Life shown by them .

REquest sangat to undertake the recitationn of Gurbanii themselves (as far as possible ) or take paathis from reliable pool guaranteeing the life of the paathi singhs , and above all please spare time to listen also , otherwise there is no use of performimg paaths

WJKK WJKF

Where can I download books such as Sach khand darshan in English and Punjabi?

get fromm sikhbookclub.com

I am getting so many questions from a person who claims to be ex Sikh on Gurbani , please help me to answer him .

His first question is :

pg 469 granth sahib . The Way of the Khshatriya is the Way of bravery; the Way of the Shudras is service to others

granth shaib tell KHASTIYA WAY IS BRAVERY AND SHUDRA SHOULD SERVE OTHERS

granth shaib talks about caste and tell shudras should service others

granth shaib pg 487 call KABIR family lowly...A weaver from a lowly family, he became an ocean of excellence. ||1

granth shaib also call DHANA- JAT not sikh pg 488..Hearing this, Dhanna the Jaat applied himself to devotional worship.

that guy is talking nonsense , the lines he quoting from Ang 487 /488 is from Shabad by Bhagat Dhanna ji , stating that the Bhagats which hailed from the so called low castes rose in social status due to bhakti , and taking inspiration from these ( KABIR JI , RAVIDAAS JI , NAMDEV JI ) Dhanna also started bhagti and attained the desired goal The reason you raised question is , We have not read and imbibed the sense of Gurbani , had you read the whole shabad , you would have been able to make suitable reply on the spot . meaning that for Waheguru, man made system caste has no relevence

for Ang 469 what Guru Sahib Says is quoted out of reference please read the full verse from Jog sabdang gian Sabadang , bed sabadang brahmahah ---- to Nanak ta ka daas hai soi niranjan dev.Again , Bro you have not read so you are not able to understand and reply whereas that guy is quoting single lines and distortingg the full meaning to 180degree

My request is , please read and understand gurbani by sparing some time

Fateh

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When the Sardar Purewal's Nanakshahi calendar came out, I was in full support of it and all these years, I have been supporting it but couple of years ago, since the SGPC revised this Nanakshahi calendar, I have been reading and researching the calendars and the outcome has been as follows:

1. The only deficiency that I can find in the Bikrami calendar is that it's 22 minutes longer than the current more accurate solar calendar. This results in a day's difference after 72 years or so. If the Bikrami calendar is inaccurate by 22 minutes, then the scholars should sit together and adjust this calendar by 22 minutes, as they had done in 1964, when they adjusted the length of this calendar by few minutes. The solution to the 22 minute time difference is not adopting a totally new calendar. This problem can be solved by adjusting the length of the Bikrami Calendar.

2. The argument that sometimes the Bikrami calendar Gurpurab dates result in Siri Guru Gobind Singh jee's Gurpurab appearing two times in a single English calendar and sometimes not appearing at all does not hold too much ground because it's not fair to judge the Bikrami calendar by the standards of the current solar calendar. It's like comparing oranges and apples. The fair comparison would be to compare 3 years of Bikrami calendar with 3 years of solar calendar to see if the number of Gurpurabs in each calendar are equal or not. To compare it every year is not a fair comparison because the Bikrami calendar adjusts itself to the solar calendar every 3 years.

3. I am extremely impressed by the wisdom of the Indian scholars who came up with this hybrid solar-lunar calendar – the Bikrami calendar more than 2000 years ago. This calendar so diligently keeps both solar and lunar considerations in one calendar. When a Gurpurab is celebrated, it keeps in view the positions of the nature e.g. the position of moon, weather etc. In a pure lunar calendar, they may be able to keep the position of the moon but they can't keep the position of weather but in this calendar you can have both positions – weather and moon. Spiritually it makes no difference what the position of the moon is or what the weather is but if we want to celebrate Kattak-Pooranmashi Gurpurab of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee as per the Bikrami calendar, then we can relate to the account listed in our Janamsakhis about the natural conditions at that time. With other calendars, this is not possible.

4. The newly adjusted SGPC calendar is a disaster. Some Gurpurab dates are as per the Bikrami calendar and some as per Sardar Purewal jee's Nanakshahi calendar. Either they should have left the original Nanakshahi calendar as is or they should have adopted back the Bikrami calendar.

5. Having said that, I think more important than any calendar is the unity of Panth. Nanakshahi calendar divided the Panth because all segments within the Panth were not taken into confidence when implementing this calendar. The original Bikrami calendar should been left rather than adopting the new one and causing a severe disunity in Panth. Now too, they should scrap the new adjusted SGPC Nanakshahi calendar and adopt the Bikrami calendar. Disunity should not be allowed at any cost. The issue of calendar is not a maryada issue or some spiritual issue. Then what was the need to make this change originally and cause such disunity in the Panth?

Some of my Gursikh friends will be shocked to read what I have written above because all these years, I have been a staunch supporter of the Nanakshahi calendar but in the light of more knowledge, contemplation on this issue and considering the unity factor in the Panth, I have reached the conclusion, written above.

Bhul chuk dee Muaafi jee.

Daas,

Kulbir Singh

Bro , whatever you are stating is half truth & concocted facts .

To start with , let me start with what is solar & Lunar Calander and what Bikrami calender is . In India we have 2 calenders in vogue , Saka & bikrami . Saka calender is improved version of solar calender of SAKAS (SCYTHIANS) who were worshippers of Sun . the solar calender reckons one single revolution of earth around sun as one year which is some where around 365.34 days (one day as we all know being time taken by earth in one revolution around its own axis ), to adjust the extra 0.34 day we have every third year as leap year . Now another system is Lunar calender which considers one revolution of moon around earth as one month(it is 29point something earth days for layman like me )now this makes 12 lunar months equal 362 days app which creates anomaly of anniversaries as per lunar calenders coming 10-11 days early in suceeding years in solar calenders . To remove this anomaly the indian astronomers created extra month in every third lunar year called as mal maas in hindu calenders .

present christian calender is improved version of JUlian solar calender , which like SAKa samvat of Indian calender is a Solar calender . Government of india adopted Saka Calender as their official calender as dates once fixed as per this calender will never be at variance in comparison to Chirstiann Calender (in vogue in most of the world ) .

Bikrami calender , Started by king Vikramaditya of Ujjain upon his ascention on throne is a lunar calender hence any anniversary is celebrated according to this calender may come 10-11 days earlier in suceeding year , which has been happening in Sikh Gurupurabs .The days of puranmasi , masya , panchami , chaudh (14th day of lunar month ), dasmi ikadas etc being observed in most deras also fall under same category

To clear this anomaly Dr Purewal suggested adoption of a solar based Khalsa Calender , through which all gurupurabs would be , falling on the same date of Gragorian Calender

(Christian calender )every year .It was the duty of SGPC to convince all concerned , if it wanted to adopt this proposed calender , about the benefits of a better scientific and mathematically more accurate calender .If there were some protests the sangat should have been informed about it and proper deliberation should have been conducted to reach an agreement . I presume some deras will always oppose such approach as their system of observing Masya , puranmasi , Panchami , chauth (4th of Lunar month ) dasmi , Chaudh (14 th of Lunar month ) which is not in tume with the views of Gurbani Mahawaak MAAH DIWAS MOORAT(MUHURTA ) BHALE JIN KAU NADAR KAREY.

But what the SGPC did , i need not repeat the whole happening s over the years , implemented the calender , wilted under the pressure , agreed to observe some Gurupurbs as per Lunar calender and some as per Solar calender making mockery of whole Sikh Community . if we want to stick to Lunar calender , there is nothing wrong or to feel ashamed of it , See in islam they still follow lunar Calender (Hijri Calender )and also do not add the month (as indian Bikrami calender does ) hence after every 3 years Eid slips one month Back in gGregorian Calender , but they do follow their own tradition . Same way if we want to adopt (our indian Lunar calender is better & improved version )lunar , let us adopt but that will not happen , reason everyone knows , clash of egos, run to show that ours is scientific faith and only notion thatwhat i say is correct (by all concerned quarters)

If we stick to the system of Gurmata , the decision making by concesus , dropping our egos only this and so many other issues can be resolved

i have put my views only as suggestion without any illwill towards anyone , if some Bro feels agitated , my apologies in advance

FATEH

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Like you said,if you tead onlywithout understanding or following,listen to as many sants,read as many epics you like you are reaching nowhere,thete is nothing requires any comments then

I will not add any more on the subject of mantra jaap & mantra Sidhi , Just request all singhs to study Gian Prabodh by Dasam Patshah ji & understand properly - every thing will be clear about the kind of jaap , havaan & mantra Sidhi Some guys are advocating here

bhul chuk maaf

WJKK WJKF

This is a good news,we should not forget many more are still in jails even after completing jail term .We shud step up effoRts for these singhs

Well, let's not include the battles fought by the Guru Sahibaans since those battles cannot be compared by us. Let us only mention battles fought by Sikhs after Shri Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Jyoti Jyot happened. I will write my list tomorrow. ,

ok , battles of Naushehra( Hari Singh Nalwa ), Sirhind , Mudki , Chillian wala , Saragarhi , Gudas Nangal , Sabraon (under Sham Singh attariwala), battle of Chotta Ghallughara ,also I'd like Baba banda ji Battle of Samana ( for examplary war tactics where he unexpectedly ambushed the town in midnight to avenge the chotte Sahibzade by taking hold of Zallads who killed sahibzade ) , and last let us not forget Delhi operation under Dal Khalsa under Baba Baghel Singh Ji

Guru sahib ji while meeting Ram Rai said- RamRai guru ka,is ki sangat bhootni(Ram rai is accepted by Guru but his sangat- which was by then out of his control is out of bounds of Sikhi)hence the dictum still holding,further ar dera of Ram rai in Dehradoon almost all the acts being performed are against gurmat hence Singhs do not hve relations with his followers.For further knowledge can refer to history books about what happened wirh ramrai after his meeting with Guru Sahib ji.It is lengthy story,I have just provided hints for answer to the querry rsised by the singh starting thread

Feel the question of alias is replied

Battle of chamkaur,battles of mukatsar,saragarhi,the last battle by sikh general Sham singh attari against brit army,the last battle by baba banda singh ji,

Battle of chamkaur,battles of mukatsar,saragarhi,the last battle by sikh general Sham singh attari against brit army,the last battle by baba banda singh ji,the lone battle by baba bota singh n garja singh ji

Dors anybody replies to my objections?are you all agents of RSS? or what

Whatis mentioned inSGGS is- pandey tumri gayatri lodhey(farmer)ka khet khati thi le ke lakri tagri tori langad langad jati thi( rag gond naamdev ji) .Moreover the gauatri in hindu rel was not allowed for socalled shudras. Do we differentiate for any bani?Whoever is doing such acts of bringing brahmanwad in our faith thru backdoor is to be identified ,exposed and vehemently opposed HAM HINDU NAHIN HAIN take it for once &always

N30 do you think any granth in sikhi more puratan than AdSGGS?please do not try to create confusion to prove you correct.We are not nakalchis to coyy names from other faiths.are you a real sikh or using this s forum under pseudonym ?

Jas Singh I share your pov,while most posts do not understand that thru thesr kind of things only the ills of honduism are creeping in our faith