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  1. WJKK WJKF Yea probably a difference in location then however many members of my family were kirtani jathas, originally lahore de sikh.
  2. WJKK WJKF Akal purakhs wahegurus beautiful creation can be seen all over the world and beyond. I have personally come across quite a few people within your caste in which the older generations are now selling their land due to the younger generation not being bothered and also because they moved out of Punjab and reside in another country, where the economy is more stable, they are financially secure and their children/children have become to westernised to have the knowledge to work the field or even survive as to how your ancestors did. Veer ji, why don't you take your kids and family back to your rural village? I don't see many "jatt" migrating back to their rural villages in India to once again, continue farming however I do recognise the numbers immigrating to countries like Italy, Dubai, Uk, Canada and Malaysia etc?
  3. WJKK WJKF If any brother or sister wishes to discuss the origins and history of the composers of the bhata de swaiyye without bringing any caste supremacy issues within the discussion or jay status into it lol, please pm me. Interestingly, the word waheguru is written once within our Shiri Guru Granth Sahib ji, within the swaiyye of the bhats.
  4. WJKK WJKFVeer ji, I think after the Sakhi of Balvand Rai and his brother Satta dhoom within the time of our Guru Arjan Dev ji, learning kirtan was encouraged by our guru and was then undertaken by his sikh, no longer continuing with the tradition of the the musical trained mirasi.
  5. WJKK WJKF Veer ji, I find your post quite patronising at the least. You declare "THAT is our tradition" as an attempt to segregate yourself within the division of your jatt caste, as it usually happens, yet after all your education, you fail to understand that you being as you say, a "jatt sikh" is contradictory to the sikh rehat maryada? Yet you post statements like "There is nothing sikh....nothing Khalsa....about a community where something like zero percent of females have a dastar"? Lol alil bit of an assumption there veer ji. Just turn on britasia and see the stereo types of your castes females and males, that is not great either veer. Every caste has its pros and cons, however the Khalsa is perfect brother. The term "jatt sikh" can never be coined together as it is Mannmat not gurmat. You have pride in calling yourself a "jatt sikh", do you really think Guru Nanak Dev ji would call himself a "Brahmin sikh" or Shaheed baba Jeevan Singh a "mazhabi sikh" or Shaheed Bhai Taru Singh a "Jatt sikh"? I don't think so, so what gives you the right to bring your pride for your ancestors and ancestral ways within the nirmal panth of Shiri Guru Nanak Dev ji mahraj? If your jatt caste have so much love and pride for your caste, way of life and ancestors, why did you sell your land and move from panjab? Why not continue working the field and be a pujari of your past ancestors. If you cannot renounce your caste, why accept the gurus Amrit which when taken tells you literally, your previous caste/clan/ancestry is no more, you are now Khalsa! You assume your beloved caste only knows hard work, yet you have failed to recognise the fundamental pillars of Guru Nanaks message which all Sikhs around India (not just panjab) and the world should follow which are kirat karo, vaand chako and Naam japo. You see, sikhi teaches the hard work ethic which builds the psyche of its sikh, not the Sikhs previous caste. Too some up brother, I'm sure you have heard that it was confirmed by the Vatican that Guru Nanak Dev ji vistited and did parchar in Italy and to the pope, his message being that the blood of man runs the same. What a pity that this message has fallen on death ears on so many Panjabis who wish to call themselves sikh. When in an Akhand path, do you put your fingers within your ears when our guru sings the bhat de swaiye? After all brother, there is nothing sikh.....Khalsa.....to one whom claims to be a Jatt Sikh, Bhat Sikh, Mazhbhi Sikh or whatever else. Khalsa Meri Jaan ki Jaan. There is no caste in sikhi. Only equality of the sikh and the non sikh alike. One chain, one body, one motion, one maryada, one thought. No we, no I only US. This is the way we will win all the issues our Kaum is facing today, united not segregated. WJKK WJKF
  6. WJKK WJKF Jagsaw Singh, I am waiting on your reply veer ji?
  7. WJKK WJKF Veer ji, the ardas is done but your message was quotining my username, hence why I assume it was for my attention.
  8. WJKK WJKF Rather than attach ourselves to geographical boundaries, castes and clans and skin colours. We should recognise where and who the foundation of the Khalsa Panth were. The panj pyara were from all over India, of different castes and traditions, but all this was left behind and gurmat and Amrit was the way forward. After this foundation, there have been uncountable numbers of Sikhs, men women and children who gave their life's for sikhi, not caste or clan or profit or modernisation. Just for truth and equality.
  9. WJKK WJKFIf you disagree with me, that's fine. After all this is a forum where Sikhs are able to converse, if you wish not to converse with me, don't. If you feel you cannot reply based on your emotion and experience due to you swearing at someone, I will do ardas for you to calm your anger. But you didn't have to reply in the way you did, as no quote/post was made personally too you. If you do not care what I have to say, simply don't read it.
  10. WJKK WJKF Once again veer ji, you don't surprise me. Why don't you just have a conversation about the above with your friends? Why don't you and your friends sit and think of what you deem "right and sikhi" within your castes in comparison with gurmat?
  11. WJKK WJKF Veer ji, for such an intellectual sikh, why would you bring yourself down to such a level as to respond in such away?
  12. WJKK WJKF LOL, if it is "the wider Sikhs consensus" of what you have contributed within your post above, I suggest that you stay clear of these so called sikhs passing judgement. Have they not seen the other nonsenses which occur within so called jatt sikhs, ramgharia sikhs, Mazhabi Sikhs lol? There is a world of difference of what you and the wider consensus of Sikhs perceive themselves to be than what dhan Dhan akali nihang shiri guru Gobind Singh ji and his Khalsa panth perceives you to be.
  13. WJKK WJKF This post has basically been the usual case of individuals who hold much pride within their ancestry and caste/clans and then trying too justify this pride within a sikh context of "we jatt/Bhatra did this" and "you bhatra/jatt don't do this"......Just STOP! It is the individuals what makes up groups of people what do great things and call themselves sikhs, as soon as caste comes into like bhat sikh or jatt sikh it no longer has any connection to sikhi. From reading the posts, what's evident is by the person who posted this topic and other contributors that one thing people have failed to realise is that when a sikhs wife is at home, they simply don't sit idle? Being a mother and learning your children about sikhi is much more important than a factory job or being a lawyer. It's our mothers who provide the initial passion within their children's minds for sikhi. Becoming "modernised" does not mean becoming more sikh. When I was young I can remember my grandmothers and sisters preparing to hold the gurus diwan and my grandmother reading the hukamnama. See, the modernisation these so called "Sikhs" are conversing about is the equality of men and women within a western ideology, not equality from a sikh perspective. If a Sikh gives shaheedi for the Khalsa panth, it is so called Sikhs that after the Sikhs death they then attach caste on the Sikhs name, this is what we are good at doing, nothing much else like celebrating the castles equality of the Khalsa sikh that gave their life!
  14. WJKK WJKF The above is all fine and yes I agree, respect should be given, however not taken out of context. There is no physical object which will bring you some form of favour when weighing up your paap. It is only achieved by Naam and gurmantar, the 5 k's should be respected, but they act within a role here within this realm as a reminder of who we are (uniformity) and what we stand for, however we do not take these physical objects with us to the darbar of satguru to be judged. It is just simply our aatma, however it's is the level of Naam we have uttered with devotion an our sees in good deeds which have been recorded, if one was Gurmukh in life then they are exempt from this whole juditional system and achieve mukhti. Your aatma should have waheguru in every breath and thought living within ghristi jeevan. But i do believe there is shakti within the kakaar and especially the Kirpan. That is why it should be used and respected. If your Kirpan fell onto the floor, it should obviously be picked up and put back on. I don't see why we should confuse such a simple matter, how is the place of where the kirpan was to fall upon any dirtier/cleaner than the body of which it then adorns both physically and spiritually. When it was used to decapatae another human being, was the blood then not some form of contamination onto the blade or if it was thrusted within the stomach, would the bodily fluids/decomposing foods not taint the blade? There is no pavitar dharti, this has to be looked on within a spiritual and physical outlook IMO.
  15. WJKK WJKF It's a good thing these singers, male or female do not use Singh/Kaur in their names as most abide by anti Gurmat.
  16. WJKK WJKF I understand your point, obviously there are different stages of training which have to be undertaken for every martial student and yes using something other than a talwar/Kirpan before one is capable of handling the weapon. However, the Kirpan should not be limited from training and simply sit in its scabbard. I understand the concept of the shakti of akaal within the shastar, it should be respected and practised.
  17. WJKK WJKF I find it somewhat astonishing at some of the opinions I have read. What a ridiculous notion, how can a sikh train his weaponry without weapons lol? It's like because we hold so much reverence to the shirt Guru Granth Sahib ji, we should not open the angs to take hukam as it's sacrilege lol. If a Kakhar falls on the floor, you pick it up, simple! There is no 100% sacred place were the Kakhar can fall! At the end of the day, you wear the 5 k's on your body, which is never clean 100%. These are a uniform for the tann and Mann! The very fact that some Sikhs suggest we should not train with our Kirpan Kakhar and train with another Kirpan demonstrates that many many Sikhs simply wee a ceremonial sword with no knowledge or understanding it's main purpose of creation, death for justice! Every sikh should use their Kirpan, it's not a fashion statement. For the opinion that Sikhs should better still use guns than swords, every weapon has it's area of use, from far distance weapons, short distance weapons and hand to hand combat. Wake up sikhs, what is worse than a sikh who can't use his shastar or hands in combat. If we brought one Mughal soldier from the 16th century to the present and had to fight sikh against Mughal, how many sikh would be capable of taking on this one man? After all, we can't talk him to death about being a meat eater, or a vegetarian or better still a vegan lol? I think the Mughal would probably end up dead via no sword, gun or hand but from laughing, after the state of today's pop belly Sikhs what is left to fear? To the Sikhs who do train their shakti/bhagti, carry on and be strong brothers and sisters for one day we may need utilise these skills!
  18. WJKK WJKF Glad to see someone who sees this issues negative affect on our youth. I agree with your posts on this subject matter, especially supporting our own Kieran jathas. WJKK WJKF
  19. WJKK WJKF If you wish to bury your head in the sand, that's your choice. I will prefer to create awareness of such people like Jazzy B, Diljit Dosanj and sukhshinder Shinda and highlight their mixed vulgar message and try stop them from becoming role models and using sikhi for their own money making vehicle just like some of the dera leaders.
  20. WJKK WJKF Exposure on channels and audiences to which they don't reach in the tacky music channels.......results in sales, venerating these people as role models, wrongly! Also, you nether answers my questions?
  21. WJKK WJKFSo do you hold the sort of people as you have described in the above paragraph in such high esteem as you do jazzy b? As your right, their the same. So if a guy or girl wearing a dastar was smoking, would you deem that ok or condemn it as it's a bad image for the panth? Or as their still in the roop of a gursikh it counts for something, right? In not concerned about Bhangra now or whenever. I'm concerned about Gurmat, sikhi ithias and gurbani. If jazzy b cared about the panth, he wouldn't do what he does and would simply walk the path of a gurmukh. Not put a pag on when he feels like making some money of the names of our shaheed. It's just about the money, not seva. Simple.
  22. WJKK WJKF Once again, whilst watching the sikh channel, I see jazzy b, singing about "sant siphai" promoting this new film! Why Jazzy B? He does enough single handedly to promote everything other than Gurmat, he then dons bana, parades around with a gun and sword telling "US" about sikhi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then on the next channel it's >>>>>>>> Surely this is no good for our youth, whilst were arguing about interfaith marriages within sikhi and it's detrimental affect, this guys giving enough other mixed messages of his own to a huge recipient audience much bigger than what our gurdware are reaching!!!! I don't mind him doing what he does within the music industry along as he keeps sikhi out of it.
  23. WJKK WJKF I understand your point, I too believe there can never be 100% sucham, however this maryada is from when the concept of pangat was created. The internal waste of a humans body excrement/urine/decomposing foods and a persons spiritual paap are all within us, this does not mean we should not attend the gurus darbar as the internal waste cannot be avoided and is a mere biological function and ones paap can be washed sitting within that very congregation via Naam and sewa. Wearing shoes in and out the langar Hall from outside only results in animal/human excrement/urine being transferred within the eating area where one is meant to sit on the floor and eat the blessed food. This is clearly a health and hygiene issue at present and also in the past when the concept of pangat was created. The issue here is to deal with the maryada of wearing footwear within a gurdwara complex within the langar hall where blessed food is made and distributed exactly with the same reverence as parshaad.
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