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Was speaking to my father about the committee over the weekend. The ISYF who took over this Gurdwara and many others in the UK by force and tried to implement the selection process using Panj Piyare failed. The main reason was the trustees (Johal off licence Empire), they are old school and backed all the iffy committee members that paid lip service to India House and still do. They caused trouble during pro Khalistan speeches, in typical fashion a few dastaaran were removed in heated scuffles, the police were called in on a several occasions and would arrive with shoes into the Darbar Sahib and eventually dissolved the illegal but Sangat backed ISYF. Without the support of these trustees and advice from some of the older and educated ISYF guys admittedly few in number! this movement is likely to come to a premature end.

Shocking. You can learn a lot from the past about gurdwara elections and the masands running them. Though its time for change. The Panth needs it. I really think TPV can make a change it just needs support and if there are elder Sikhs stopping them I would like to see them try. If it does succeed then other gurdwaras around the world need to copy.

Panthic.org busted dhunda and now this one good job spreading the truth about these parcharaks trying to serve the Panth.

yeah SGPC is gonna make better arrangements with more illiterate Sikhs in their taskforce doing dirty work.............

Please explain...

I explained the situation above but I just mean by having the Khalsa as a army regiment maybe as a government sponsored army that at least lets what the Khalsa should do to help around the world. For example for Khalsa Aid they are doing a fantastic job. They are spreading awareness of Sikhi to people who never heard of the word Sikh in their life. This can bring people into SIkhi and bring awareness about Sikhi greatly. It can be done but will it be planned?

Vast majority of khalsa would get crushed by even buzdil brahmin sena and bandar shiv sena alone these days. Khalsa used to be battle-hardened warriors rushing into the battlefield against jihadi's and hindu hill raja tyrants. Nowadays they a joke carrying around swords, spears, 10ft high dastaars and one or 2 old hunting rifles.

The only Khalsa's who would give any enemy of Sikhism a run for their money is DDT lads they have the mentality required for modern warfare. When you want to create a generation of battle hungry khalsa's you need ideological grooming from young age to fighting age so that they are prepared to physically fight for Sikhi. The jews have this system in place with their people getting regular military armed modern training in isael even offering it to dual citizens of jews based in europe, the muslims have this system in national armies and non-state actor militant terrorist training camps in places like waziristan and iraq/syria/yemen/somalia,saudi arabia,etc. The hindus have their own Bajrang dal, shiv sena, RSS para-military brigades and have many hindus in the indian national army. Buddhists have their own sena's that are now even attacking muslim minorities in burma and sri lanka. Atheists and Christians have the Vatican and various soldiers in western governmental armies.

Sikhs first need to establish a proper sena of their own like back in the days when they had akali sena and various other para-military outfits. Without a vanguard of modern military trained Sikhs then the kaum are sitting target for the enemy present and future.

we need to become sants first then sipahis. Sant-Sipahi. In a sense I am saying we have to be spiritually devoted to Sikhism before starting up a Khalsa regime. Now we don't exactly have to be a sant but in a sense working towards it while being physically ready for war. Some Pakistan General said Sikhs are the best soldiers on the world they have both mental and physical endurance. We need to keep both in balance to show what the Khalsa is. You are right Sikhs should have their own proper sena but in India that isn't going to happen. The Indian army has its own Sikh regiment and those Sikhs are brainwashed. India will never allow Sikhs to have their own private separate military training. We would have to do it in hiding but they label us as extremists or separatists. Just think about it how much the world would be inspired if they saw the Khalsa taking down ISIS or capturing kidnapped children. We would inspire others to be part of Khalsa and become Sikhs. That is one way of parchar basically think about it. We Sikhs aboard in India can make a private army but first we need to become rehitvaan Singhs and Kaurs and train ourselves. We are indeed behind in modern warfare. I wouldn't be surprised if Sikhs have to fight on a religion side for example the Hindus against the Muslims in the future and then get betrayed again. We are in a bad state in defending our kaum as of right now. Our Sikh panth is getting eliminated without a single bullet by the Indian Gov't! This can lead to a bad future possibly if we can't unify, cooperate, and execute plans for the Panth.

Even thought I respect Gian Gurbachan Singh he is being kept silent on big Sikh issues so a sarbat khalsa has to happen not in just Pakistan but over the whole world.

This is why the Khalsa should have its own army regiment......

Western education doesn't mean anything when it comes to leadership. Have you ever seen the education qualification of all the leaders of India? they are highly educated. Nerhu, Indira Gandhi, our own Sukhbir Badal are all educated from universities in the UK! yet their leadership is an economical and social disaster for India. Punjab has never been as bad as it is now under western educated Sukhbir with most of our youth becoming drug addicts and Patit.

On the other hand, Maharaja Ranjit Singh could not read nor write. He stamped his hand because he did not know how to sign his own name. Yet he built a nation from scratch and turned Punjab into the most prosperous place in India at the time. Truth is not all educated people are wise and not all wise people are educated.

As for Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, he studied at Taksal since childhood, that is educated! The term "educated" cannot be defined and restricted within the boundaries of western mode of education only. Part of Taksal's curriculum was to study texts such as Chanakya Rajneeti which even to this day is unmatched text on Rajneeti. Before Dharam Yudh Morcha, Sant Jee like the previous heads of Taksal taught all of these texts at the Taksal. Highly educated men like Dr Swami Subramaniam all acknowledged Sant Jee's insight in current political and social issues. He did much more for the panth and the youth of his time than any so called western educated Sikh ever did.

No doubt Jarnail SIngh Ji was an educated man of Taksal. Sant ji knew about the poltiical issues of Punjab and the things happening to Sikhs. He was a parcharik looking after the Sikh Panth. But you have to say just because he knew political issues did he know how to deal with them and how things are run in a country? It would be a tough question to answer if the Sikhs got their rights in Punjab or lets say Khalistan as a matter of this fact would he be fit for president?

He had darshan of Guru Nanak Dev Ji when he first did 40 day bandgi, which included doing Japji Sahibs 22 hrs everyday.

And at hazoor sahib he had darshan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

The details dont matter, what really matters is that we should talk inspiration from Saints lives and try to push ourselves a little more towards simran/bhajan/bandgi. Thats the essence.

exactly your on point, the lives of the mahapurakhs such as Jarnail Singh should motivate us and encourage ourselves to work on our bhagti.

Did Sant Jarnail singh ever talk about the history of Damdami Taksal and how started from Baba Deep Singh? I suppose he did but I am not sure because they were critics that didn't think Damdami Taksal didn't exist before 1970's.

yeees perfect idea for many Sikhs who's gurdwaras don't run Punjabi classes properly.

My knowledge also come from Giani Thakur Singh Ji's katha as well:

Sant Ji started off with 5 Japji Sahibs daily when he was a kid with hukam of his father and maintained a nitnem of around 100 japji sahibs later on.

He also did chalisa 2-3 times where he would do bhajan bandgi 22 hours everyday for 40 days, sometimes making a bed of thorns and stones to lie down for 2 hours, He ended up leaving his body on the 40th day , but was sent back from sachkhand, and had darshan of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

He would leave his body at night and stay in sachkhand till morning.

He would wash kachere /clothers/utensils/shoes of other Singhs at night when no one was looking.

This is all what I heard in katha. There is much more we prolli don't know about.

Alright wait I thought he got darshan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. I know it doesn't matter which Guru but it was Guru Gobind Singh Ji or Guru Nanak Devi Ji?

Hi I just want to know how to deal with the increasing agression by muslims in my city i live in canada and already 3 ppl have been caught fightin for terrorists abroad andd also a speaker named bilal philips is supposed to come who is a extrmist they say in the media. it seems tht they r now beginin to flex there muscles

There is not really you can do to fix the situation of Muslims in your city. If the Muslims try to do anything big in related to terrorism they are just digging themselves deeper hole in their trust with other people. If I were you in a situation like that I'd try to get involved in martial arts gatka.. etc so you can defend yourself or others and carry on your life unless it becomes a bigger problem than it already is. WJKK WJKF

Why would you agree? Mandela was an educated man - so this means inciting violence is fine as he was educated? I do not think so. Sant Ji was an educated man, the vidiya that they undertook at Damdami Taksal is education whetehr you regard that or not.

Sant Jis opinions were not just based on his own thoughts - he was a warrior for the Sangat, he took into account Sikh Rights. People sometimes forget that he as not just fighting for the Sikh nation, he has made it explicitly clear in many of his sermons that he is not anti any religion, all he wants for his that any person proffessing which ever faith - to be true to THAT faith.

I beleve your justification for the flawed comparison has no standing.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Not trying to dishonor Sant Ji but he wasn't educated in studies as he dropped out of school at a young age. But he was a influential parcharik who looked after the Sikhs and wanted equal rights for all. Sant ji was not educated in politics or even a political figure.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

why not? revolutions are not totally negative.

True. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said himself "Raj Bina Nahin Dharam Chale Hain, Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain" . There is no stable Sikh sovereignty at the moment. Also Guru ji said something on the point where no one gives freedom one has to attain freedom;something along those lines.

kindly expand how you would like to see this happen please.

I wouldn't like to see a revolution, but what else can the Sikhs in Punjab do. In this case many Sikhs in Punjab know about whats going on but aren't taking full action or simply can't because its impossible. The silent genocide going on Punjab plus our Akal Takht being run by corrupt masands won't come to an end in a pleasant way. The Sikhs need a leader or come together to achieve certain goals and get rid of the corrupt leaders and the corruption that is going on. As of right now Akal Takht is a weak leadership for us Sikhs aboard India. Again I wouldn't want to see a revolution, but lets be real what else do Sikhs in general can do to take out the corruption out of Punjab. Especially us Sikhs aboard India we can't make change happen unless we are in Punjab.

This can only be done by qurbaniiya of a lot of people.

It won't happen by votes anytime soon.

or a revolution.

Just noticed not one sister has given her advice yet. :lol2:

anyone can explain what really happened?

The least they can do is allow people to comment. Seems that's the problem with Indians. They are always scared of the truth. During operation bluestar, the GOI on purpose did media blackout throughout Punjab. Yet not one Indian stood up and asked why is there a media black out? what is the government doing in Punjab that they are trying to hide from me?

Instead their attitude is that Sikhs should be thankful to them for "liberating the Golden Temple".

And even now they just cant digest the fact that when ever they lie on their articles like this jhoota Manjeet Sehgal, Sikhs all over the world begin to expose their lies by writing the truth in the comments section. So they just disband the comments function on their article.

Once Sikhs have leadership it would be a good idea to have our own media outlet publishing "truth" instead of allowing famous news outlets spread false garbage.

Kirtanis are underpaid. We should give them much more

or spend money on parchar.....

I should have a prophecy I see SGPC being dismantled very soon, Sikhs are waking up and seeing who are the gadars within the panth.

I hope the Sikh youth in Punjab rise up and get rid of these SGPC goons controlling the gurdwaras.

SGPC involved in attack on Sri Harmander Sahib in 1984

Amritsar, Punjab: Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandak Committee (SGPC) is the caretaker of all historical Sikh Gurudwaras in India except Delhi. Delhi Gurudwaras are being managed by Delhi Gurdwara Management Committee (DGMC). Both property management entities are being 100% funded by donations from the Sikh Community. Millions of dollars are being pumped into these organizations everyday and at the end of the day they are directly controlled by political parties of India. Majority of the time DGMC is in favor of Congress Party and SGPC is always in favor of Shiromani Akali Dal.

Attack on Sri Harmander Sahib by Indira Gandhi led government was carried out 30 years ago. It is now revealed that Akali Dal and SGPC were kept in confidence and were 100% involved in meetings with Indira Gandhi’s office a few weeks before the attack on Sri Harimander Sahib. Akali Dal under Longowal, Badal and SGPC under Tohra chief never liked the idea of the popularity of Saint and Soldier Sant Jarnail Singh Bhinderanwale in the hearts of Sikh community. People started listening to Sant Jarnail Singh ji because of his effective and religious leadership.

Sant Jarnail Singh ji’s presence at Sri Harmander Sahib was an eyesore for SGPC. They were under the pressure from Government agencies to take action against activists of Bhinderanwale. After murder of Bhai Sodhi, Sant Jarnail Singh ji Bhinderanwale came to know had enough of the true face and goals of

SGPC. Seeing that, SGPC and Alkali Dal quickly gave permission and helped Indira Gandhi to attack Sri Harmander Sahib.

In Onkar Singh Goraya book, Operation Bluestar and After – An eyewitness account, Brig (retd) Goraya, then a colonel with the 15 Infantry Division based in Amritsar that was involved in Operation Blue Star, telling insights into the meek conduct of Akali leaders trapped inside as he was put directly in-charge of pulling them safely out of the temple complex. He was given the room number from central govt where SGPC and Akali leaders were hiding.

On the morning of June 6, 1984 Col Goraya was tasked to bring out the top Akali leaders trapped inside the complex and whose lives were in danger from the activists. When he reached the Guru Ram Das Sarai, inside the complex he found the dead and dying in different rooms. Some injured pilgrims begging for water and army men oblivious to the cries, as they concentrated on clearing the rooms of activists. Col Goraya found them in room no 8 and when he told Sant Harcharan Singh Longowal, Gurcharan Singh Tohra, Balwant Singh Ramoowalia and others that he had come to escort them to safety, “I heard a collective sigh of relief. They all got up instantly to follow me and there was no denial or hesitation.” Very different from an ‘eyewitness’ account given out by the Shiromani gurudwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) later on, according to which the leaders Sant Longowal apparently asked an army major to shoot them, saying that they had no wish to live when the ‘the army’ had killed so many pilgrims, staff and volunteers.

For the first time in 400 years the recital of gurbani was about to stop in the Golden Temple. As dusk fell on June 5, commandos dressed in jet-black dungarees slipped into the temple complex through the road between the serias and the Guru Ramdass langar building. They were able to bring back safely Akali Dal leaders like Harchand Singh Longowal and Gurcharan Singh Tohra along with their key aides living in the Teja Singh Samundari Hall, Guru Ramdass Serai and Guru Nanak Niwas.

As men of the 10 Guards under Lt-Colonel Mohammed Israr, regarded as some of the finest troops in the world and trained specifically for the assault role, prepared for the H-hour, hasty consultations got underway in the serais where moderate Akali leaders like Longowal, Tohra and the Dal’s official spokesman Balwant Singh Ramoowalia were hiding.

After 1984 attack, SGPC took over Harmander Sahib complex and started re-building Sri Akal Takht Sahib with the financial help provided by Indira Gandhi via Nihang Santa Singh. Seeing this, Taksali Singhs and other jathabandis took over Sri Akal Takht Sahib without any fight in 1986. SGPC workers and officers simply left their desks and offices during the Sarbat Khalsa gathering of 1986. Under false leadership of various jathabandis, sikh youth started getting eliminated by fake encounters and general public trust on jathabandis drastically fell in the negative levels.

Only less than a dozen out of 170 SGPC members passed 10th grade. Majority of the SGPC members are involved in drinking and consuming narcotic products. Immediate family members of elected SGPC members are patits (shorn hair). Few of the SGPC members are even involved in drug trafficking and work directly with Punjab political party “Akali Dal (Badal)”. Annual budget of close to 1000 crores is usually passed behind the closed doors and that only take few hours. There is no outside audit financial accounting firm nor any ethics department to make sure everything is going according to law and Sikh code of conduct.

Source: http://sikhsangat.org/2014/sgpc-involved-in-attack-on-sri-harmander-sahib-in-1984/

No need to establish a new Takht because a Takht have their own significance. But what should happen is that SGPC should create extra seats in UK/US/EU/Canada/Australia where Sikhs live in large numbers so sangat in these countries also have a voice besides also creating seats in other states of India such as J&K/UP/Rajasthan/MP/Maharasthra that also have lakhs of Sikhs.

I saw that Sikhs in Haryana wanted their own separate gurdwara committee and Prakash Badal went after them and said oh no Congress is trying to divide the Panth blah blah blah. Also, SGPC leaders need to be taken out. It is not the old days SGPC where they went after Sikh interests only. SGPC will not create extra seats.I agree with Jugraj Singh that there should be some Sikh leadership committee outside of India. Another Takht or committee is fine with me but I think SGPC and Akal Takht Jathedar will oppose this idea. I just hope for a bright future for Khalsa.

That is not possible. Guru Gobind Singh JI unequivocally shed light on this matter -'Rehat bina na sikh kahave'

We still have to a accept them as Sikhs and put those Sikhs back on the right path and not just shun them and make our population decrease.

i dunno why we keep dragging this along >>>>

must be a bigger issue over the atlantic pond from here..???

to get th

I mean we anglo-sikhs have a much bigger problem at stake right on our doorstep>>>>

The su-lais and Islam war to brainwash as many young punjabis>>especially females>>>into their pure islamic world.

Islam and su-lay is much much bigger than any fancy cults out there trying to get their legs over female clients.

it's sad... I mean just in my street >>>I know of 2 young girls from sikh families that have been mentally and physically raped by su-lay >>all in the name of islam

That is devastating news. I hope you can help the girls out in their case. I have to admit they are bigger problems on our doorstep within our Panth. We can focus on this issue once we have Panthic unity then we can go after sub-issues. As Jugraj Singh Ji mentioned in his video on Modern Panthic issues how we all are fighting about other sects that bring in followers but no one is targetting 75% who are not into Sikhi. We can deal with those later but as of right now we have to have strong parchar. WJKKWJKF