BarinderSingh

warm ? :ohno: does it have to be warm ?

I know im sounding very manmukh but who doesn't want perfection hehe

bhul chuk maaf and thank you !

What goes around comes back around.

Warm up a glass of milk and put in a pinch of turmeric. This clears your skin, helps with digesting, and gets rid of any internal wounds.

But u saying that cuz words from bani being used in that song,, then everyone should be more sensible n not dancin n stuff ?

i never thought about this .>>>>

cuz i always thought it was sacrilege for all this stuff if it was in hazoori or presence of guru maharaj, not if i can hear it coming from hifi radio.>>>>>>>>>

The Shabad playing in the video is the Bani of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji. Guru Maharaj is present when the Shabad started playing. Instead of recognizing the Guru is present the moorakh yoga instructors made a mockery of Shabad Guru. Gurbani says the Bani is Guru, so how is Guru Sahib not present? Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is what? Gurbani written on the wall, playing through speakers, on wedding cards, in newspapers is still our Guru. The Shabad has always been Guru. Just because Shabad Guru is not in the formal form of bir Saroop does not mean Shabad Guru is not present. Shabad Guru gives us mukhti, any Shabad of Guru Maharaj can do this, so why discriminate against one Shabad that is being sung on it's own? Guru Maharaj is present through the Shabad and Shabad is present through Guru Maharaj.

>>how bout the 8 pehr sas giraas stuff then.

>>i mean aint we suppose to have waheguroo naam jap and the khiaalh in our mind all the time..>>>>>then wot about when i wanna do some bhangra and that.... i enjoy and keep fit with this but i refuse to dance to sharab and gandhey songs n that..

>>dis a bit confusing for me now :wow:

please samjaah bit more clearly cuz i'm gonna have to make some changes with my stuff n that.

This is not confusing, but requires further contemplation over Gurbani. What woke you up to say Vaheguru naam jap is to be done all the time? It was obviously, the Shabad Guru in his countless forms. So when this Shabad Guru told you the above truth did you grasp hold and never let go? What is required to follow the truth of 24/7 Vaheguru jap? It is Guru Sahib's kirpa that only happens with Vaheguru's/Guru Sahib Hukam. I don't have this kirpa on me, so can i go around and make a mockery of Shabad Guru that woke me up to this reality? OOOO since I don't have it woken up in me I can go around dancing and grinding on the Shabad Guru making a complete mockery of my Guru? The idea is to listen and follow the Shabad Guru's instructions.

The people in the video do not follow Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. They have their own religion called Kundalini Yoga. They abuse the Shabad Guru for their own cult. Don't be fooled by the Bana and dastar. They are giddars in lion clothing. Sri Guru Gobind Sahib ji warned us of this taking place and these people have arrived.

Listen to the Bani of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji on dancing. Gurbani does not approve of dancing. The dance of a Sikh is to learn shastar vidya, which means stay fit (run, lift weights, other exercises, boot camp), marital arts , and learn how to use as many weapons as possible. Enjoyment comes from reading Gurbani, training the body to be part of Khalsa fauj and giving it back to Guru Maharaj in shaheedi form or Panth di seva (serving in Guru Maharaj Darbar, helping the poor, producing Gurmat literature, etc). Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji says Sikhs take off one set of clothes (give shaheedi) and put on another pair of clothes (come back to do more seva) as others change clothes.

I have a lot on my plate right now, juggling many things. But when i get a chance I will try to shine light on dancing through presenting Gurbani. In the mean time look up Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji's Shabad to Muslims who dance religiously.

nuffin wrong mate...#

aint no prakash of guru maharaj there.

see the 400 sharabi jatts @ my family weddings doing much worse dance with peg sheg in hands.... that is more disgrace.

leave these goras alone man... they trying to follow and not leading the way

besides we don't do a good job setting the punjabi jatt examples do we ?

go to akhand path at west brom or smethwick gurdwra and after 2pm they all in the boozer neckin drinks....

how confusing example we set, especially the jattmonkey brains i know

This is the issue in the Panth now. People cannot understand the Shabad Guru is the Guru and always has been. In the video the Shabad Guru is present and giving the teachings loud and clear. The instructor at the yoga event does not understand what Shabad Guru is saying. As a result the people are instructed by fools (3HO yoga instructors) to dance to Shabad Guru and in the video you see a white man grinding with a woman. This is a insulting way to use the Shabad Guru.

Here is a trasnlation of what Shabad Guru is saying to do:

O Power of Akaal, give me this boon

May I never ever shirk from doing good deeds

That I shall not fear when I go into combat. And with determination I will be victorious.

That I may teach myself this greed alone, to speak only of Thy (allmighty lord Waheguru) praises.

And when the last days of my life come, I may die in the might of the battlefield.||231||

There is a similar shabad in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji by Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji in Sri Raag.

This a outright mockery of the Shabad Guru. The Shabad Guru is to be heard, understood, meditated on, and practiced. This is the instructions given to us by our Gurus. Not to make a mockery of the Shabad Guru and let people jump around like lowly creatures and grind against women or men.

If Mehtab Singh and Sukha Singh were here today they would not hesitate to take out their Sri Sahib's one more time to show the yoga instructors how the dance of Deh Shiva Bar Mohe eha is done by Sikhs.

WKKF.

I was recently told of an account where Guru Gobind SIngh apparently boiled alive some Mahants, killing them in this manner.

I am aware that Guru Ji banned Mahants etc, however find it hard to believe that Guru Ji would torture to death anyone in such a cruel and barbaric manner. Having researched it slightly I have found no solid proof that this ever occurred, and in fact it clearly conflicts with Gurbani which speaks of the complete, merciful Guru etc.

Does anyone have any genuine evidence (verified factual account or bani) that confirms if Guru Ji did infact do this act? If not as with everything the testing stone for me anyway will be Gurbani itself.

WKWF

Which shabad does the act of Guru Gobind Singh burning masands conflict with?

The host of ik onkar tv, an amritdhari married a girl with hair cut and does the whole bollywood thing.

The dastar will not vanish if Gurbani is given to kids at a young age and is conitoiusly taught throughout the kids life. The actual amritdhari men do not even entertain fake women for a second and tell them to get lost when it comes to marriage.

Why do singhs marry non amritdhari women or amritdhari women that still do the whole bollywoid things. Because they are still stuck in maya.

Why do these type of girls marry amritdhari men because they are a safe bet. These girls had their fun going out with other guys, clubs, pubs and now they are looking for to settle down. Amritdhari guys have good jobs and can provide. They won't come home drunk. She will control the relationship and keep the fire lit under his but to keep him from trying to think of taking charge.

Women are very smart and they manipulate certain men very easily.

Have you checked inside and her past yet. Seems as if you are one of the pot belly uncles as well.

Keep reporting them to Sri Akal Takht Sahib. One of these days the zombie jathedars will wake up and correct this wrong behaviour.

i am speaking from my own experience , it is not a heresay

I was asking in a general sense who you consider to be the people that are currently doing a good job. It would help others get on the correct path.

I guess you too want to bury your head in the sand and not see what the coming future is going to be? You are living in the past... the future is already happening either Sikhi is taught the way it should be (ie develop love and understanding for SGGS Ji) or you will lose everything by pushing them to adopt khalsa saroop and panth on them, in which they will and are rebelling.

Here we go again with the personal remarks. You cannot have an objective discussion because of your inability to understand what Gurbani is saying. This is not a numbers game. This thread is about why youth has a rise in patitpuna and you want to increase these bad behavoiurs by telling others its okay to cut hair. Why dont we just change the thread title "how to increase patitpuna" as you are so inclined to teach others how to do it.

Your type of Sikh they the youth are not interested in.... they want something they can relate to and feels can benefit them..... how you going to offer them an advantage of keeping uncut hair when its not mandatory in the first place to be a Sikh?

Whose katha are you doing right now? Surely not of Gurbani that says do sangat of Sikhs that keep rehat.

Did the hindu and muslim followers of guru nanak dev ji started to keep uncut hair? No they did not because if it was a mandetory rule he would have stated so in gurbani

Bhai Mardana was a muslim. When he met Guru Nanak Dev ji he was told to stop smoking and do not cut your hair. Yes Sikhs dropped out of the sky and muslims and hindus did not stop following their own paths. When do you plan on going back to your planet that we lowly Sikhs who ancestors were hindus and muslims before taking on Sikhi cannot reach?

You are still unable to tell me where in Sri Guru Granth Sahib it says pre marital sex is wrong.

.....did the other guru's call for this uncut kesh rule in gurbani? no..... only Guru gobind singh ji did so for the khalsa panth..... a panth one had to be inciated into and would be the martial vanguard for Sikhs.....

Bhai Gurdas ji Vaar tells us Charan di pahul was given to Sikhs. Keeping hair uncut from the beginning was a hukam. Oooooo heavenly Sikh were the Sikhs who fought along side Sri Guru Hargobind sahib ji lacking in martial vanguard? If you are teaching Sikhi anywhere in the world I want to know to who and where. I want to talk to your bosses and pay your annual salary to sit at home and not distrub us lowly sikhs and naive minds.

he didnt say ALL sikhs must now become khalsa or did he? did he force it upon them or give them free choice (ie those who want to become khalsa step forward?)

This shows you have never read gurbani. Gurbani says drink in the Gurus amrit. Is the amrit of Guru Gobind Singh of a pandit?

Come into reality or you and your type of Sikh will make sikhi hard to get in to and push it in decline when it is universal true and a very easy faith to follow.

I do not want to spend a second in your "reality". I'd rather be skinned alive by the rss starting with my feet.

I follow Guru Granth I respect Guru Khalsa Panth but believe it is up to the individual Sikh to decide if they want to follow Guru Khalsa Panth. The KhalsaPanth path is very hard in an increasingly hostile westernised society to eastern dharmic faiths and communities... so again we come back to the point why youth are not taking this path....now we have reasons why..... but some of us are not willing to accept....those who are not willing to accept the reasons will cry because they could not see the future trends they instead tried to emtionally bash and force unwilling youth to become khalsa's but the youth are rebellious and will not take up something they dont think benefits them......

we must understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is supreme its teachings and wisdom is universal......this is how we can bring the youth back into Sikhi and bring converts too...

The Guru Khalsa panth path is divisionary and only a select learned few should take that path because they need first to have gyan of sikhi and they can foster the martial spirit of a soldier.

There are many references in SGGS Ji that imply one should not focus on lust and not indulge in their sexual urges...

pre-martial sex is wrong according to Sikh / indian traditions and culture...in SGGS Ji I dont think there is a specific reference to my knowledge. And I did not state SGGS Ji says pre-marital sex is wrong.

I asked for you to show me where it is mandatory for someone to keep uncut hair in SGGS Ji ...and so far you have been unable to do so.

So you say hair is optional because following Guru Panth is very hard in todays day and age and you want to pick and choose what fits your lifestyle. Yet you say pre-marital sex is wrong according to Sikh/Indian traditions and cultures. Do you know how many youth are having pre-marital sex today? You are your worst enemy. Telling these youth that pre-marital sex is wrong will only make them more rebellious and they won't want to follow Sikhi. Stop shoving down dogma down their throats and let them live. :nono:

There are many references in SGGS Ji that imply one should not focus on lust and not indulge in their sexual urges..

What does this have to do with pre-marital sex? I can say the same, do you know how many times Gurbani says to follow the instructions of the Guru. One of these instructions for a Sikh is to keep hair uncut and was never made an option.

Yet you say pre-marital sex is wrong according to Sikh/Indian traditions and cultures.

Indian culture has nothing to do with Sikhi. So you respect Guru Panth, but follow Indian culture and traditions?

Sikhi is made from Guru Panth and Guru Granth. Picking and choosing is not following Guru Granth Sahib ji. Gurbani specifically and repeatedly says to follow the Guru's path. Discriminating against Gurbani in Sri Dasam Granth is the job of the ignorant. Sikhs don't discriminate against Gurbani (Hukam).

If a person listens to Gurbani carefully you will hear only Hukams from the Guru. The bells start going off. All of Gurbani is a Hukam. In these Hukams there are explanations that go along with them. When Gurbani says don't discriminate against Guru. It does not mean to pick Guru Nanak Dev ji because he had a bigger nose over Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji or should i say smaller nose since smaller noses are more attractive today. It means see the message as one and the same. Keeping hair uncut has been a Hukam given by the first Guru. Point to one Sikh that was given Charan di Pahul and did not have uncut hair? If before 1699 there was no Hukam to keep hair uncut, then why wasn't one of the Punj Pyare with cut hair? This was no coincidence they all had uncut hair. Bhai Mati Das and Sati Das both had uncut hair.

pre-marital sex and cutting hair are equally wrong. Everyone likes to indulge in the devils acts. Just don't make your devilish acts seem less evil than others.

Yes it would hurt not to see a turban on fellow Sikh brothers but in a way if its inevitable if its in waheguru ji's plan and hakum then there is nothing we can stop it... we can delay it by forcing Sikhs either wear turban or dont claim to be Sikh and then even more will run away from sikhi and sikhi will be in a worse condition than Zoroastrian population is now.

To keep kesh for a non-amritdhari khalsa Sikh ....it is....

It is optional it is optional it is optional..

Show me where in SGGS Ji it says it is mandatory?

You speak of pre marital sex as wrong in one of your last post. Tell me where in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji says pre marital sex is wrong? It is optional just like cutting hair right!

Yes it would hurt not to see a turban on fellow Sikh brothers but in a way if its inevitable if its in waheguru ji's plan and hakum then there is nothing we can stop it... we can delay it by forcing Sikhs either wear turban or dont claim to be Sikh and then even more will run away from sikhi and sikhi will be in a worse condition than Zoroastrian population is now.

To keep kesh for a non-amritdhari khalsa Sikh ....it is....

It is optional it is optional it is optional..

Show me where in SGGS Ji it says it is mandatory?

Sikhi has Guru Panth and Guru Granth. Let me know if you believe in Guru Panth, meaning beleiving any spoken or written words outside of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

I believe they do not have cut hair.... and why didnt they have cut hair? because keeping uncut hair is a sign of purity, spiritual strength / development and humbleness.

Lets look at most sikhs who keep there kesh these days can you see their character? Hardly anyone would many consider a real sikh living a humble life.....not being a hypocrite....not drinking or smoking or going clubs/bars/pubs...... not indulging in pre-martial sex.... so if we just concentrate on keeping kesh... without work on making a Sikh character within then more people will turn away from Sikhi than come into it.

Now lets look at SGGS Ji.... which is our final and eternal Guru....every Sikh no matter what jatha or sect they come and bow down to SGGS Ji.... In SGGS Ji there is no conditions placed for a Sikh for a believer to have uncut hair.... there is only guidence and advise for those who keep matted uncut hair like hindu sadhu's to fix up because they pretend to look religious but their actions and thoughts are not Godly. Also there are references where hair is seen as a sign of humbleness and Guru Ji would not have his cut but no where does Guru Ji explicitly states if you believe in me you must keep uncut hair.

Now we have to understand why is it not a good idea for unsuitable people (manmohan singh, kps gill, etc) to have uncut hair going around pretending to be a religious Sikh when they are not Sikh by thoughts and actions. The Guru does not care what you look like on the outside, what Waheguru Ji And SGGS Ji cares about is what your deeds are.... what your spiritual development and thinking is.

You made an objective blanketed statment by saying it is optional to have hair for a Sikh. Now you are trying miserably to justify it with subjectivity. This cannot work.

As I asked provide us with objective writing that says Sikhs have the option to cut hair or not. I am not discussing the topic any more. This all has to do with your statement. Provide credible sources please.

paaji you got a clear answer in previous post. Yes it is optional to have kesh for a Sikh, however if your an amrtidhari a Khalsa then no it is not optional. Hope that clear things up for you

Did Guru Gobind Rai or any of other Gurus have cut hair?

Bhai Mardana first instructions was to stop smoking and keep hair uncut from Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Let us know where you read hair is optional and these doubts can be cleared for you.

Yes, Indira Gandhi attacked Sri Akal Takht Sahib, but who started this whole mess. It was the British when they started their oppressive regime in India and gave the power to another oppressive regime of Nehru Gandhi. Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji was martyred by Jahangir. The hand that caused the torture and murder of our Guru was Chandu Shah. Who did Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji punish? Not Jahangir, but Chandu Shah, the hand behind it all.

Take the rosary glasses off and see the British for what they really are. If it need to be done again they will go back to rapping, murdering, and committing genocides once again. They have not changed, just the faces have changed.

The people of UK have been deprived of guns because the government has a history of disarming civilians from arming themselves against the British. Look at when these goons came to conquer India. They disarmed Sikhs and armed those people that will help them conquer India. There little kitties in school are taught guns kill, but we only conquer (murder, rape, slaughter, commit genocides) other countries for your protection from the big bad wolf hiding in the woods. They breed kids who hate guns. What these little kitties should hate is the royal family. India cannot have kings and qeens, neither can africa or any other country, but we the British can have kings, queens, prince and princess. They are built on corruption and they continue to breed corruption.

We are taught British saved the world, but what really happened is the opposite. They made the Asian world weak by (murdering, rape, slaughter, committing genocides) so the people could not defend the people of the country. After turning the people into slaves they used the same people to help them take over others who pose a higher risk than them. The royal family are the real criminals in disguise.

Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji would have made this oppression regime come to it's knees after destroying the Mughal emperor. Guru Sahib would have never seen the British as a peace making country they portray themselves to be in history books. What peace did they bring to Africa or India or North America. Where ever they went they left a trail of innocent blood and destruction of civilization. It's our way or your head will be on top of a stick and your women will be raped free of their 'backwards' culture and genes.

They don't want more Udham SIngh's on their hands delivering them straight to hell.

luckykaur jee are you eating dairy in any form - its very hard to lose and keep weight off until you eliminate it from your diet.

Also good job with fruits and vegges for snakcing - they are the best , sometimes when I need to supress hunger I take some green or black tea , works pretty good for me

Milk and milk products are bad but black tea is good that conrains caffeine.

Also telling others to skip meals is the most horrible advice to lose weight. When meals are skipped the body is deprived of food and it actually starts building fat to make up for the skipped meals.

Meals need to be healthy and eat certain foods at the right time. If you are sleep deprived this can make a person gain weight. Stress makes a person put on weight. Lack of exercise or exercising to much where the fat is lost but muscle is gained makes a person gain weight.

Eating like a run walk model does not make a person any healthier or skinnier. It makes a person weak and fragile.

There are some educated persons who are working selfless service in this regard , but see what they have to face lot of discourgements & critism from the established Dera People \ Babeys who feel themselves threatened with the approach of such people , going all out to shun their voice .

Who are you specifically speaking about here?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qI7BXrx3-tQ

Sant Maskeen Singh ji on what the problem is

"The anti-sikh parchariks are telling youth you cant be a Sikh unless you have kesh,etc the same mistake made by SGPC which put all sahejdhari's into the camp of hindu punjabi's"

Good joke. According to you it is anti Sikh to have kesh. And my question was what is reason of patitpuna.

You did not answer the question. All you did was criticize another response. I asked you, why do you think there is an increase?

Yogi Bhajan followers claim they do Kundalini yoga for the body and opeing the chakra. I believe they are not fully telling the truth why they do Kundalini yoga. Here is why I believe they are hiding their true feelings, read this quote of Yogi Bhajan:

There are two ways to find the Divine. One way is that you open the solar plexus and charge your solar centers. You get direct with the Divine. The other method is that you concentrate and meditate and get this sound (Ek Ong Kar Sat Nam Siri Wha Guru) in you, and it directly charges your solar centers and in this method you get the Divine light to you.

Yogi Bhajan (1972, 7)

Yogi Bhajan says there is two ways reach Vaheguru, but Gurbani says there is only one way through Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji (Shabad Guru).

One way is that you open the solar plexus and charge your solar centers. You get direct with the Divine.

In the above Yogi Bhajan is describe the Kundalini Yoga he took from different teachers and then combined them all into one. No where in Gurbani will you find Guru Sahib saying you can reach Vaheguru in this way. So where did Yogi Bhajan get these teachings from? Why are 3HO and other followers allowed to propagate these teachings as Sikhi?

There is a recent article put up on Sikhnet that further discloses Yogi Bhajan's true intentions. If Sikhnet does not take it down by then, I will present those finds and how they all tie into creating a new religion of his own.

And the so called called Sikhs are not much or at all concerned about the increasing patitpuna amongst our younger generation.

Why do you think this is happening more these days?