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On 27/08/2016 at 2:27 PM, jkvlondon said:
objectifying females to sell records/books is not a form of abuse ? shouldn't the guy rely on his talents and linguistic skills to do that ? if you want to say don't think about females in a certain way because it is wrong as in video and then go ahead and do it yourself and encourage through your lyrics to not treat females right you are part of the problem too.
yh but i cant see it being abuse when the girl who was portrayed sexually in the video consented to it, it may not be right ethically but dont think it can be called abuse.. #kaljug
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On 24/08/2016 at 6:18 PM, jkvlondon said:
hard to take him seriously when he uses sexy females to entice followers of his videos ...isn't that a form of abuse too, Mr Humble?
how is that abuse sorry ?
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Opinions on humbles latest video, what are your opinions on sexual shaming, and what does gurbani say about this. I usually find myself agreeing with humbles philosophies but i feel like this opinion may have been going to far as i feel he draws alot of conclusions based on anacdotal examples, but this topic is quite important and i feel like its not discussed enough in our community. i kinda see both arguements for this one but maybe because im not educated on it.
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You keep repeating the same ideas without being logical about it, even if we lived in your world, most people would still be starving, probably even more.
Lol why would people still be starving if there was a lot more food to go around?
I'm also assuming you don't have much agricultural experience either, this will only make farmers have to speed up food production by a lot since now everyone is vegan
That makes no sense, the vegan food is already being produced but its being sent to the animals and not the humans, also due to the capitalist system, food is having to be thrown out so pricrs can stay up, their paying farmers not to grow food!
it will also decrease the organic quality because of the need to use GMO's, (Genetically Modified Foods).
why will it descrease the organic quality? we could use premeculture methods, your arguement is just making jump after jump with no explination.
Just be honest and admit that you don't have the answers to this situation, unless you work in a farm and have actually grown food which other people eat
I may not have the solution as i am not edicated enough in that specific field but i know people who are and i know it makes more sense to feed plants to humans then over feed it to cows so we can kill them, I do not understand your arguement, i think your saying whatever you can to try and prove me wrong
you won't understand the basics of this idea.
i dont think you understand what your saying lol, the only thing that was right in what you have just said was that a gmo means Genetically Modified Food
although I personally dont have the answers for specifics im atleast learning farming about how to feed people, i worked at a farm in belgium and plan to work at other farms to learn premeculture methods and how to grow organic foods.
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If it's all about being ethical then why not reconsider using an Iphone made by overworked and exploited Chinese workers, the clothes that are made by impoverished people in Bangladesh who work in horrendous conditions, medicines or fragrances that are first tested on animals. The list goes on and on..
If the bottom line is about being ethical and ending suffering then why is it limited to cows? Why not apply those ethics to human suffering?
Where do you draw the line in terms of being ethical or is it easier just avoiding dairy products and ignoring everything else which aids your lifestyle........ to the detriment of others??
it shouldnt be limited to cows, we as sikhs need to save the world one step at a time, being vegan so simple but it has a huge impact, because its achievable through ommission, and we should be ethical as much as practically possible.
also like i keep saying, by bring vegan you are also helping to end human suffering, firstly by being more effective with food and grain on the earth,i.e if we dont feed the cows grain we can feed starving humans and end world hunger and also for helping over population in the world we use up 1/3 of the earths surface for animal agriculture, thirdly, less pollution which means less people are getting sick and we can be stewards of the earth like we should be.
all of this and more can be achieved just by choosing to eat one thing instead of another, whats wxcuse do you have not to be vegan ?
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I also find what you say about veganism funny.
I asked you more info on your weight if you read what I wrote properly but obviously you won't answer my post accurately.
Again, if your eating 110g of protein, that is enough for a 5 stone person to build muscle. That's why I said that's too low.
Again, be a vegan but don't tell me to be.
Compassion can be within death aswell. That's what jhatka is.
Do you think it's wrong to put a dog down here in the uk when it's too ill?
If the death torture rape murder and slaughter of innocent sentient beings makes u laugh i think there is something seriously wrong with you.
I think you should seek medical help
Goodluck little bro
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Please do not insult me by trying to call me lazy. You do not know me personally. We are brothers in faith. We do not need to insult one another even if we have different views. Waheguru is within all.
Obviously, I don't know your body mass, but if your consuming up to 120g of protein per day that's still not enough to BUILD muscle. What is your calorie intake and carb intake for that percentage of protein to be consumed? You need a 1.5g to 2g of protein per Ib of body weight to build muscle, not retain muscle.
Vegetarians are not fat because they eat loads of cheese and drink loads of milk. That's a huge assumption. It's carlorie and carb intake. It's a mix of EATING TOO MUCH and not exercising or being physical. As it is the same for a meat eater.
It was processed meats and red meat which was linked to cancer. Not unprocessed meat. Please do not misinterpret the fact. The experts now state that animal and full fat dairy fat is better than veg fats in reducing cholesterol and breaking down your own body fat as there are 4 sub groups of saturated fat. All not being unhealthy.
I can also remember the world health experts as you say advise that the old " Apple a day, keeps the doctor away" as wrong lol as the acidity within the apple is bad for your teeth!
Carbs making you fat are not a myth. Do not debunk everything you disagree with as a myth. Contemplate it atleast. If you drop you carbs per day, you will lose weight due to the body then have to use stored energy (fat) because as you said, there was less carb (energy) intake.
I am not obese. I am at a healthy weight with great muscle mass. My body fat is very low because I can see my abdominal muscles. Health wise I'm fit as a fiddle. I do not have cancer and I am not obese with the kirpa of the gurus hukam.
Where do you buy your food products from and how are they grown? Using which fertilisers and from what country? Do you grow your own veg? Where do you buy your rice from? Do you use animal by products? Play the tabla?
Exploitation of people and animals occurs every single split second. There is exploitation within everything here on this world. Nothing is pure and free from some form of pain from the person who picks the rice you consume to the person who made your belt or sewn your clothes. Only naam is pure.
sorry bro i read the first few para's n i couldnt help but laugh.
Where r u getting this information from?? how can u say i dont eat enough protien when u don even know my size lol??
sorry mate i cant take you seriously, i really hope you are young because you have a lot to learn n i don hink u watched any of those movies in five minutes.
im dont wanna bother responding but i feel like i have too just incase people take you seriously.
studies PROVE that a sendentary vegan is more healthy than a marathon runner who has a bad diet.
You think carbs make you fat lol, search durianrider on youtube
by cutting carbs out of your diet your body has to run on fat but what does this prove ?
I seriously hope you are young bro, like 15 or 16, you have a lot to learn about the world.
I highly reccommend you watch those videos and read those books i said in the previous post
Please stop spreading false information and do some reserach also, although the who say carcinagin is processed meat they also say its most probably unproccessed meat, and there are many more studies which support this.
the most well renound doctors in the world say meat is related to disease and carbs do not make you fat. Dr mcdoogle for example
I hope guru blesses you with some gyan about compassion, if the guru cant save you from this 'the world is already feels pain so lets add to it' thinking and mentality no one can.
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Eating a vegan diet with high carbs may give you energy and a percentage of protein but no where near enough to build muscle and strength.
Are you sure you cant get enough protien on a vegan diet? because i have between 110 grans or protien and 120 grams every day, more than most people eating meat, i can show you on myfitnesspal also, and its quite easy. Beans, grain, oats, tofu, rice, pasta, thats more than 100 grams of protien in that (depending on portion size ofc, by its not hard) and you Can gain.muscle on a vegan diet, As long as your eating a surpluss of calories, substaicial protien and focusing on hypertrophy in the gym.
The way you imply that meat eaters are fighting obesity and cancer is comical to. It's carbs what make you fat, not meat.
firstly, its a proven fact you are more likely to be obese if you eat meat, even if your track your calories, and cancer and beart disease are proven to be directly linked to consomption of meat, stated by the world health organissation and experts in the field, if your too lazy to search them up i can provide links.
secondly carbs make you fat is a myth, vegetarians are fat becuase they have milk and cheese, milk is used to make a baby calf triple its weight within 6 months, so just imagine what impact it has humans, carbs dont make you fat thats a lie, JUST LOOK AT DURIAN RIDER, read the china study, carbs dont turn into fat thats a myth, dont believe everything you hear. its called fat for a reason, eating fat makes you fat not carbs.
This is due to the fact that if you don't use as many calories as you have eaten, the energy is stored by the body as fat.
like i said before, do some research, i dont blame you bc i used to believe that also until j started studying it and tried it out for myself.
Veg is high on carbs and low on protein. Meat is low on carbs, high on protein.
Meat is low on carbs, carbs and glucose, your brain runs on glucose, if you have a low carb diet i dont blame you for not being able to understand what im saying.
That's why many a vegetarian/vegan are fat because of to many carbs.
The mma fighter and especially the worlds strongest man are probably heavy duty pumped full of steroids even though they are vegan. You cannot put that much muscle on, in a vegan diet.
Vegan gains, Jon Venus, Chakabars and many other examples i can give of people who prove you can build muscle
It's just simple science.
find some statistics, its not simple science, its made up science.
Mass yea, but not muscle. Mass and muscle are two different things.
I didn't mean by eating meat it will help you fight at all. What I meant was by having a balanced diet, the body is strong enough to fight.
what balancd diet do you mean, some countries are now compeltely taking meat out of the balanc r d diet chart bc they relis that its not good for us and un neccesary
You can weight train all you want, but you won't get anywhere if your not eating right in terms of muscle gain and strength training.
Well i must be superman then coz im doing it
How many calories do you need to consume on a vegan diet to gain muscle?
same as meat eater, it just that vegans eat more and on average we et the samr amount of protien as a meat eater, I get eay more protien in then many of my friends who eat meat.
Because you need 1.5 grams of protein per Ib of body to build muscle.
u need 1 gram per lb but even if i went with your number its not hard on a vegan diet mate
Do you not eat for your taste buds? Do you not enjoy daal and have the extra roti? I eat meat and when I jhatka an animal.
U didnt havr yo tell me you eat meat, i figured it out lol, when someone says whatever they can to try and justify their bad habbits.
I consume it all. Yea I enjoy it, but I also enjoy eating daal too.
then just eat dall, who are you to kill a soul?
When I jhatka an animal, I have to steady my emotion and jhatka with compassion.
unless there is nothing else left to eat ou cannot justify that.
How do you think you would steady your emotion if it came to having to defend yourself from death by another person?
fighting for justice and fighting to oprss are completely different.
If you have never experienced an emotion, it is very hard to try and feel it. Like how you feel when you lose a parent, brother or sister, you only know when you experience it.
Again, if your vegan be vegan. But don't tell me I should be a vegan. I won't tell you to be a meat eater either.
lol, i can tell you to be vegan bc we are sharing this planet and therefore we all have a responsibility to take care of it, killing animals is inefficient and you could end world hunger if you didnt kill animals, but because you like the taste you will continue eating.them and stick a middle finger upto all the africans starving.
There's benefits and disadvantages to both.
you havnt managed to give me one disavantage of veganism but i can tell you many about eating animals.
If the governments tells me to be vegan, I will decline and carry on Hunting, practising how to use a rifle and how to use my kirpan.
you do that, show how strong you are by hunting a defenceless animal
The veg you consume is fertilised with the manure of animals too, from chickens to horses.
one humble request my friend, watch cowspiracy, forks over knives or earthlngs, read thr china study and then reply to this. do ur reaearxh before you mislead others who may be reading this.
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I strongly oppose changing any of the Karah Prassad recipe even if we could live for 100 extra years. The Maryada is the Maryada! (Is your only goal really to promote veganism, when as a Panth we clearly have bigger problems?)
thats not my only goal, i know we have bigger problems but I only started this topic to see what peoples views were, J knoe veganism doesnt have precedent over other issues tght now..
but, If we are fighters of opppresion then its a little hypocritical for us ro carry on with these eating habbits
Im not saying change karah parshad, I accept it as gurus hukam but im talkng about the things we do have a choice about tbat we dont do anything about. like when we choose to eat chocolate and paneer at home when we know where its come from.
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being vegan does not make you weak, its a myth, the strongest man in the world was vegan and the one of the best ufc fighters is vegan, You can get more than enough protien from plant based foods which means the killing of animals in un necessary, people who eat meat today do it only to satisfy their taste buds and cannot see beyond that.WJKK WJKF
Thanks for the interesting facts....all valid points.
No food helps spirituality. Whether you consume meat, fish, dairy or veg. This food only helps the physical body and the brain. The only food which has a benefit to spirituality is naam.
If you consume only meat and nothing else, obviously this will have a bad affect on your diet. But I don't, the meat I consume is killed by my own hands. I eat meat probably once a week.
What you are saying about the meat industry is right. World hunger can be stopped at present and it could of been stopped within the time of our gurus. The reason why it's not stopped is because of the 5 chor what live and thrive within humanity. We as sikhs are sovereign king and queens within ourselves. If you can help someone or something for being vegan, great! But I wish to help via a different route. I wish for my children to be strong bodied to. Hence why my diet consists of all food groups. You cannot be as physically strong on a vegan diet as when being in a mixed food group diet which consists of a higher percentage of protein to carbs.
Fact is, the world, it's creatures and people are dying due to many reasons. Like how the meat industry fuels climate change, or world hunger due to colonisation, or war.
Our goal as sikhs is not to be vegan, but again if you wish to be so, be it. The gurus hukam was also to take up arms and train. What physical training or combat sport do you do veer/bhen ji? How can you talk about our guy sahibans hukam and then justify changing it? Kraa prashad is sacred and shouldn't be changed at all. The prashad before blessing is food with naam, then after the ardas we cut it with the kirpan? Why? This is what jhatka is, the prashad then becomes blessed and then distributed.
Today, we have a problem with terrorism. Now if you was in the London tube and a terrorist who was physically strong and determined to cause havoc, randomly hurting innocent people. Do you really think you would be able bodied and able minded to confront and give a good go? I'm not asking you to write your answer on here, but just ask yourself this question and answer yourself honestly.
A high carb vegan diet is the richest diet as carbs and glucose arw what gives our body energy, Its our bodies preffered energy source, eating rice, pasta, bananas, oats, suger, all these things are fuel for our body, i Cycle, train muay thai and weight train on a weekly basis, eating meat doesnt make anyone more capable to fighting terrorists lol, in fact i think it would make us less a
capable as we would be too obese and fighting cancer and beart disease we wouldnt have time to think about helping others.
Im not calling for a change in karah parshad, ofc i want gurdwaras to use ethical sources, but i understans its hukam.
Im talking about changing the things in our diet which is not hukam, like serving chocolates, yogurts ans milk chai in langer, and turning more sikhs vegan.
Look veganism is growing right now and bc of the envirmonetal impacts, governments will soon have to force people to go vegan, if the sikhs are already vegan its more promotion for us.
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Could you provide the Rehatnama that outlined non exploited cow milk and the milk must be ethically sourced aka. our own cows?
Guru talks about raw milk a lot in bani and organic milk
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Mate, why don't you go back to India first and go and sort out all them hungry cows left on the streets roaming around eating rubbish and then turn your enthusiasm on all the stray dogs what continuously get kicked and told to get lost while they look for left overs to eat.
Then we can talk about veganism.
Sikhs do not need to be vegan. There is no spiritual benefit or gain. Just eat healthy within a balanced diet of meat/fish veg and dairy to be fit, be smart and able bodied to fight. Compassion within all food groups a big must!
Simple.
Lol do u know the implications of eating meat and fish and dairy?
There is a spiritual benifit, how can u find inner peace if your consuming torture and rape?
a balanced diet is bs, 14 out of the 15 major killers of humans is related to eating meat, so meat is not healthy and the world health organisation says meat is a carcinogenic, its ranked amonst ciggerates in terms of how bad it is for you. the reason you do not know this is because the meat industry is bigger than the oil industry, countrieis go to war for oil so imagine how brainwashed we are when it coms to meat.
Guru gave us the hukan of feeding the world when he said degh tegh fateh, do you know how inefficient the meat industry is? it takes 300 galleons of water and 20 kilos of grain to create on hamburger, meanwhile theres kids in africa and india who have no water or food to eat, they feed cows soy to get them big for the meat industry where we could have fed that soy to humans and ended world hunger.
And dont get me started on fish, They say
the way were fishing there are going to be fishless seas by the year 2048, this is not a conspiracy, its happening now.
Think of this on a practical level, This is the beauty of sikhi, Guru gave us an ethics based religion, we have to see whats happening to the world around us and how we can help, by Going vegan ur literally saving the planet. the meat industry causes 3x more global warming than the whole of the transport industry combined, think about that.
I think we need to talk about veganism before its too late to talk about anything else
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There is no room for changing ingredients of Karah Parshad. It is a recipe as relayed by Guru Sahib.
I mean why not just start using Sweet N Low for preparation of Amrit?
The recipe was already changed when we started using milk from cows of exploitation rather than ethicaly sourced milk ie. our own cows
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the fact of the matter is, times have changed and the milk industry has become a business, which means that cows are exploited to provide milk and chocolate, and i wasnt really question karah parshad, im talking about when they hand out quality save chocolates or cha in gurdwaras, thats what im against because its so unnecessary but the implications of doing so are so bad, how can we justify a cow being raped every year and then it gives birth and the baby calf is ripped away and killed right after birth because the humans want the milk from the cow and the calf isnt efficient.
Also its not like milk and chocolate are good for us anyway
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Karah Prasad requires dairy. Veganism requires no product made by an animal; and according to vegans butter, (which is required in Karah Prasad), is NEVER VEGAN. http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianfaqs/fl/Is-butter-vegan.htm
could alternatives like vegan.butter or soy milk not been used given the current exploitative practises this industry uses? it would be acceptable if gurdwaras have their own cows or buffulos i guess like jugraj singh suggests
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why arnt more sikhs vegan? I know a lot are vegetarians but the dairy indistry is just as bad if not worse than the meat industy? the process of milk production is messed up, even organic milk is a business and a scam, why do we contribute to a industry that rapes murders and slaughters innocent beings?
love to hear everyones views on this
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Google image "omar bakr al-baghdadi" The leader of the caliphate state of ISIS.He is a sunni
Google image "ayatollah khomeini" Another spiritual leader he is a shia
Both looks like a sikhs, there images are always in the media. What does your gut instinct tell you? Especially after the belgium attacks? I would avoid Belgium and France right now
Listen to your gut, you may decide to go, not listen to your parents and when you are about to aboard that plane your gut instincts may or may not kick in. If it does you will have this horrible feeling.
threyre always in the media now and i think they always will be as long as the middle east has oil lol, but i cant just sit at home all day becuase of that.
and ive already visited belgium last month and dont think ill be going there soon but i am planning to go austria in europe soon
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Im on my Gap Year before going to university this september, so this whole year ive been planning to travel ive been working to save up so i can travel to a few places, ive been to a few places so far but that was with family or friends. now im planning to go alone bc everyones busy
My plans to go austria, Norway, Iceland and then ontario, canada. Im doing this work exchnage thing called helpx which means i'll go to like organic farms or b&b's and work a few hours a day and get food and accomodation. Ive been to one of these work excahnges already and it was great, I ate fresh organic vegan food every day and enjoyed the nature of the place, I also taught a bit of naam meditation to the people there because the people there were really into spirituality and stuff.
Ive got these work exchances planned for all the places im going too but now my parents are kind of against it bc of all the tension in europe etc. and me being a singh they think i will be targeted by authorities etc
I went to belgium recently to do this and had a wicked time, my parents wernt to sure about it but they let me go anyway, but now this that has happened in belgium has now scared my parents even more about me travelling.
I get that there scared but i cant tell if this is the over protective parent scared or f they actually have a valid point to be scared. i'm not reaally scared, i understand theres a tension in europe but i dont mind changing my plans a bit, i mean, i doubt canada is as hostile right now.
I just wanted to get some opinions from others out there.
with the current situations in europe, do yiu think it'll be okay for me a 18 year old dummalla-dhari singh to travel a bit before i go to university.
I only wanna travel this bad bc i wanna see the world and have these experiences before im old and i know after uni i'll be looking for a job and then settle down without having seen the world and its wonders.
sorry if this is a bit of a random topic, but i dont know where else to ask lol
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wjkk wjkf,
I just wanted to ask, as a sikh, what do we need to know about meditation? I know its a big part of sikhi and dasam duar and stuff, but in a world where everyone is becoming more busy and stressed out and they find that life is deeper than the materalialism and maya, I feel like more people are willing to try out spirituality and meditation, i want to know what to say to people about the sikh way of meditation, When people think of meditation they usually think of like buhddist zen meditation or the hindu vedas or something, or even kundalini yoga and yogi bhagan (can someone explain the deal on that guy aswell) But not sikh meditation, whats the best way to describe our meditation of naam and how can i reccommend it to people who want to get into mediation?
Thank you look forward to any response
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whey protien isnt vegan
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forgot my salai at home and my pagh is really tight, ehat can i use as an alternative lool?
btw this is a serious question
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just to add on aswell, does that mean all of those gods guru ji is talking about exist as well as the 1 waheguru?
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in japji sahib it says "gur esar gur gorakh barmaa gur paarbatee maa-ee" which means guru is shiva, the guru is vishnu and brahma, the guru is paatvati and lakhshmi
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not questing bani or anything i just want to understand it more
does this mean that we believe in hindi gods? and guru nanak dev ji is saying they are equivient to him?
and also another question i wanted to add on to this is, throughout guru granth sahib ji mahraj there are references to islam and hinduism but why are there no refernces to other religions such as christianity? im sure mahraj knew it existed.
im not trying to question gurbani i was just curious
thanks
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BROTHER i was in a very similar situation to this, nearly exactly the same. if u want to talk about it message me privately as i do not wish to share the details publicly.
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