singhni84

One day, we too will become like those who can't care for themselves. At any rate, all I'm saying is that if you can't care for a child, under whatever circumstances, there ARE options available besides murder. After aborting a child, there's no going back. It's final. The child won't even have a chance at all.

"if kid gonne be disabled etc then i wouldnt have the guts to give birht to the kid and God help me that i dont have to go thru any of that." With all due respect, are you 100% perfect yourself? Who are we to decide how "imperfect" one has to be in order to decide if you're a "keeper" or if you should be aborted? This essentially means that you're saying disabled people have no right to live. This is the same as those who commit female infanticide. They see the "burden" she will be for them, just like you see the "burden" of a disabled child. When will we see the burden of the paap accumulated from such acts? The stage of pregnancy is a non-issue in abortion. Once you're pregnant, you have a child within you. Getting rid of that child is nothing but murder. If you don't want to or are unable to raise the child, there are other options which are not sins. Why opt for a painful, dangerous, disgusting, maha-paap option when others are available?

Who is organizing it in Toronto?

It's all about faith. You can put your trust in a worldly doctor, or you could invest all your faith in the Doctor of all doctors like the example I gave earlier. The "what ifs" are endless. What if I follow the worldly doctor's advice and get an abortion? I can get it done to save my own life, but what if I meet my death the very next day? We can temporarily take life and death into our own hands, but we don't know if we're going to even get another breath, so what good is it? If I put my faith in the Doctor of all doctors, I would juggle with neither my life, nor that of my unborn child. I would let Guru Sahib take whichever life he needs to take rather than thinking I'm wise enough to make that decision on my own. Essentially, once we allow exceptions under X and Y circumstances, how can we condemn those who get abortions because they don't want a girl-child, or if they find out their child will be handicapped? We can't play the role of God, ever. We are neither wise enough nor far-sighted enough. We see only the benefit/cost of our decisions in the here and now, but Guru Sahib sees our past, present and writes our future accordingly.

One more thing: >only when it is danger to the woman's life, >I PERSONALLY feel that abortion is fine I know of a bibi who was told by doctors that if she carried her pregnancy to term, she would most likely die along with the child she was carrying. After much heartache, she and her husband went to have an abortion done. While waiting their turn in the clinic, the bibi had a change of heart and decided to leave things to Guru Sahib instead of listening to the doctors. She resolved to carry the baby to term and see what happens. She had sharda in Guru Sahib and wouldn't call herself a Sikh while killing her baby faithlessly in order to save her own life. Both the mother and the baby are alive and well today.

And in regards to rape, should a Sikh respond to sin with sin? You could turn a horrible experience into something so beautiful in so many ways. You can raise the child to be a better human than his/her father was. You can give the child up for adoption and let someone else raise it. Why simply kill it and deprive it of the chance to live? You could teach the child Gurmat and help it reach mukhti rather then sending it back into the cycle of death.

Abortion is totally against Sikhi. No circumstance makes it acceptable. Do Sikhs kill the innocent? Do we murder unarmed harmless creatures? There's no acceptable arguments in favour of abortion.

>um..btw for any critics of amritdhari cinema goers...... >im going along for the laughs not the film! Sikhs don't "go along" with manmat. Not for laughs, not for others. The majority of responses may have supported going, but do the majority of us here have flawless amritvelas? I've been told by chardi kala gursikhs that if you're serious about your Sikhi and would rather not come back to this hell of a life again and again, then don't waste your time on things like this. Don't waste your time on things that won't give you anything worthwhile in return. What will you gain by going to the cinema? Absolutely nothing. But you'll lose so much that you won't even be able to measure your loss. Like the majority who support you going, you won't even realize you've lost anything at all. Also on a side note, your friends don't seem to support your Sikhi, nor respect your stances. Don't sell yourself short and don't give in to peer pressure. Seems like you're going with them just to appease them.

It isn't right to give money to someone who may use it for drugs, alcohol or tobacco. If you want to help them, give them food, give them your mittens. If you want to help them on a bigger front, take political action against poverty. Poverty rates and the number of homeless people in Toronto is appalling. Pressure the government into providing more affordable housing, stop them from cutting things like the Special Diet Allowance.