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JagsawSingh

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  1. What do you believe are other reasons for Sikh girls leaving the Sikh community??

    Never really thought about any reasons.....probably because I never thought any such problems exist. The reason for that is twofold:

    1) From what I've observed, Sikh girls today in England, Canada and America, are far more clued up about Sikhi than previous generations. Have far more genuine morals than the older generation....i.e don't put on a false pious face in public but indulge in immoral activities behind closed doors etc.

    2) Our real problem is that many of our men are acting like scum / skanks. Our women is what is holding our children's morals together.

    So, the way I see it, Sikhi in the west, thanks to our mothers, sisters and daughters, is stronger than it has ever been before and we do seem to have a real problem with some of our men behaving badly.

    most Punjabis born in England have a philosophy or call it a belief that cricket is one of the greatest sports out their

    Out of every 100 Punjabis born in Engalnd you will meet, I guarantee less than 10 will like cricket. On the other hand, I guarantee that football is an integral part of the life of 99 of those 100.

    Football is our national game my friend....not cricket. Cricket is very much a minority sport. And when I say minority I don't mean ethnic minority. I mean minority in the sense of English private school boys (and minority pakistanis and Bombay walleh hindustanis)

  2. Just completed the survey.

    Just one gripe with it ; When you get to the end you have to either classify yourself as 'Indian' or simply tick 'other', with no chance to explain why you put other and what you actually mean by it.

    So, in conclusion then, I think the fact that the survey is heavily influenced by the East African slanted City Sikhs network is demonstrated by the fact that no opportunity is given to state a free Punjab objective. I think if some other Sikh organisations were behind this survey it would allow us to express our true egalitarian feelings as a race of people totally distinct from 'Indians'.

  3. I have never met a Pakistani with a Doabi or Malwai dialect, even the ones whose grandparents were original from Doaba and Malwa. The migrants of both sides adopted the local dialects where they settled.

    No the Doabi dialect in Pakistan is extremely strong and extremely large. It is known there as 'Faisalabdi Punjabi' and they seem to have cornered the Punjabi stage play / movie dubbing market in Pakistan.

    Do a quick Google search for any of the thousands of the hilarious punjabi dubbing comedy shows on Youtube. Nearly all of them are from pakistan and the vast majority of them are in the doabi dialect.

    Among the Pakistani diaspora though, relatively few from rural Faislalbad district have emigrated to the UK. Quite common to come across them in America and Canada, but as I understand it they're only really found in a few areas in the UK with Oxford quite famous for having a large concentration of them.

    Alot of my wife's friends are Pakistanis from Lahore etc but whose family's originated around Jalandhar and Ludhiana. When you hear them speak, you would never know if you were hearing a Pakistani or one of your own aunties from Jalandhar.

  4. Jagsaw,

    America is big. Too much land here. - price ok

    England is tiny and lacks land space. - price over the roof

    Very true. Although there is the element as to how the houses themselves are constructed. Houses in England are made to last 150 to 200 years. In America and Canada 50 year old houses are considered old, knocked down and re-built. You see this in Punjab too. If you look at some of the really big houses built in Punjab 10 years ago they look decript and run-down now despite looking so nice when they were built.

  5. Yes of course there were.

    With regards to Punjabi and it's dialects, if you're genuinely interested in it's demographics, the first thing you've got to learn is that you should ignore practically everything written on the internet about the subject. The internet is full of 'facts' written by thousands of different 'experts' in which they describe the situation as it was in November 1946. i.e doabi spoken around Jalandhar, malwai spoken around Ludhiana etc, Majhail spoken in Lahore, Hindko spoken in Peshawar, potwari spoken around Rawalpind etc.

    That was 1946. It seems most experts in the demographics of Punjabi don't realise this but the year now is actually 2014.

    The reality now is that Potwari /Pahari is spoken around Rawalpindi, Islamabad and Delhi.

    Doabi is the main dialect around Jalandhar and the districts of Faisalabad in pakistan. In fact, there are more muslim doabi speakers in pakistan than there are Sikh doabi speakers in Indian Punjab. (Although if you were to walk the streets of Southall, Birmingham, Vancouver and Toronto) you'd be forgiven for thinking this was the main 'Sikh' dialect).

    Malwai is spoken in the malwa area of Indian Punjab and also in much of rural Lahore and Nankana districts of Pakistan Punjab (where the Ludhiana district muslims were rehoused).

    Majhi with a Sialkot twang, is spoken in the Sialkot district of Pakistan and in various areas of India where bhatra sikhs have migrated to.

    So, imagine this fictitious scenario in a street in Southall: Mr Singh lives at No 46 and another Mr Singh lives next door at number 48. Both Indians. Directly across the road, Mr Ali Khan lives at 45 and and another Mr Ali Khan lives at number 47. Both Pakistani.

    Mr Singh at #46 is from a village in Jalandhar, Mr Singh from #48 comes from Delhi, where his grandfather relocated to from Rawalpindi in 1948.

    Mr Ali Khan at #45 comes from a village in the far far away district Faisalabad in Pakistan and Mr Ali Khan at #47 is a Kashmiri muslim that comes from the Mirpur area of Pakistan.

    We will find that Mr Singh at #46 and Mr Ali Khan at #45 have exactly the same accent, exactly the same voice,exactly the same tone. Both totally different to their respective so-religionists and compatriots at numbers 47 and 48. For Mr Singh at #48 and Mr Ali Khan at #47 have exactly the same accent, exactly the same voice, exactly the same tone.

  6. Around here in London, it is extremely common to see Hindu Gujarati girls with black men and muslim men.

    It is extremely common to see patit Sikh men with Muslim women and Hindu women.

    My extended family has been here for over half a century. As of yet, there has not been one single case of a female relation of mine getting involved with a muslim male. And, bear in mind, 95% of these female sikh relatives of mine are non-religious 'punjabyat' types.

    In my opinion you have, in your own mind, created a huge problem about muslims taking sikh girls.

    Around here, you would be shocked to see the kind of things 'some' muslim girls are getting up to. I see it all the time, but because I see some of them act in that way I would be foolish to think it a huge problem among muslim females.

    The same applies to sikh females. Your brain is making it a far bigger issue than it actually is.

  7. but today go to any nightclub on a weekend

    Never been to any 'nightclub'. If, god forbid, I ever did step foot in one, I don't think I'd expect to see 'good things'.

    and you will see more so called sikh girls second only to whites and blacks and way more than any other asian or religious groups.

    Again, we see what we want to see and, as I said above, are you expecting to see good, deeply pious and decent 'sikh' girls in a nightclub ?

    Besides, I'm no expert on these matters, but from discussions I've had with most people, it is Gujarati Hindu girls that are far more into the khartootan you lay at the door of sikh girls.

  8. I always try to tell my kids (and my kids understand this very well) just how scientificaly advanced Sikhi is......i.e just how ahead of it's time the faith is.

    Staying on the subject matter first of all, we're living in a day and age where 'westerners' in their millions are giving up the eating of meat, realising how it is corroding their body as well as their soul.

    We're living in times where 'westerners' have at last realised and understood just how corrosive to mind and body cigarettes are, and taken measures to ban it.

    Just think, Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji, in Japji sahib ji, told us about the existence of hundreds / thousands of different planets in the sky centuries before western scientists 'discovered' this fact.

    The irony here is that much of the entire enlightened world is becoming vegetarian, and the whole world will become so before people like dal khalsa and nihungs realise the truth that was always at their fingertips.

  9. She is learning the hard way the consequences of "puthay kamm". It's her parents and family I feel sorry for.

    Wrong and wrong again.

    If you read the article it shows how she is living an incredibly free, open and comfortable life in a minimum security prison with alot of priveleges and her parents are "extremely proud of her".

    These are indeed dark, upside down times.

  10. Looks like the traditional north / south divide of the UK is alive and well.

    In the south where, according to the census, the single largest number of Sikhs in England live, there is no 'Muslim domination' of any areas we Sikhs live in (other than East London) and thus in our Sikh areas Muslim youth generally live under manners of the Sikh youths.

    Therefore, I think when our Sikhs friends from the Midlands and the north are describing the 'UK situation' to our brothers and sisters in Canada and America, they should remind themselves that their situation is a very localised situation to their area is is not one that the majority of London and Southern Sikhs recognise as anything resembling reality.

  11. its not bad if there is separation , its actually good. maybe you are raised in western environment and you are looking at our traditions with western views, but thats how none of it works.

    I think you may have become a bit confused Savinderpal.

    As someone else pointed out a few messages earlier, this 'tradition' of separation is entirely a 'western' invention....having been invented in UK, Canadian and American Gurdwaras. Our 'tradition' in Punjab and India has always been for men and women to sit together as a family unit on whichever side they want.

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