Akalifauj

1 minute ago, puzzled said:

the one at 12:07      i wonder what hes doing there    maybe family friend 

I highly doubt he's a family friend.   I could see them becoming 'family friends' after the family paid him for favors.  Friends like jathedar are bought not won because of personality are similar.   

6 minutes ago, puzzled said:

which one is he in the video?  

Hes in the video.  Forward to the Anadarko karaj part.  Hes wearing his typical blue dastar and white kurta punjama 

It's no secret that money buys decisions made from Sri Akal Takhat Sahib seat currently. 

It seemed as former jathedar  of Akal Takhat, giani Gurbachan singh made a special appearance to bless this couple.   I highly doubt he is family.  It's more likely this family would have paid Giani Gurbachan singh when he was jathedar.  If true, real question that should be asked, why they paid him? 

17 hours ago, Koi said:

All things considered, it was a nice documentary 

Ignore this character.   Hes here only to instigate and provoke a negative reaction. 

 

Watch the whole video, but the first bit third basic of Sikhi employee, kathavachik, and jugrags wife speak about sunny Hundal 'documentary '.

On 2/4/2020 at 5:31 PM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

 

You guys both believe the same thing. But are describing it differently and talking past each other. 

We don't believe the same thing.  He believes being a hindu, the person can do naam simran and then achieve mukhti.  Gurbani does not accept this view point.  Therefore I do not accept it is true.

By sikhi, Akalifauj does not mean being amritdhari or folowing the religion sikhism. He means the truth.

No, you could not be more wrong.  Sikhi is about Gurbani.  From Gurbani comes Gurmat teachings which are the truth.  Truth comes from Gurbani.  

Like all the bhagats, they were born in hindu families but rejected most of what their religion and society taught. Instead they focused on the universal truth.

No such thing as universal truth.  The truth comes from Gurbani.  No other figure or holy text or person can say what is the truth.  Gurbani demonstrated the truth and stated the truth.  The bhagats were lost; they could not tell what was naam and hukam. Only when Akal Purakh took form and showed them Gurmat, did they come to realize the truth.   

And because it was universal truth, their bani is included in guru granth sahib ji.

The bhagats bani was included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji because it is dhur ki bani.  The Bani came directly from Akal Purakh.  The bhagats did not come up with any Bani.  It was all Akal Purakh giving them the Bani.  Not a single word is coming from their mind or thought process or trial and  error.   

Same with the sufi fakirs like bhagat farid ji. They were born muslims but rejected some aspects of islam. And embraced universal truth. And because they believed in truth their bani aligned with sikhi which is also truth.

This is why the new generation is sinking.  They don't read Gurbani.   They rely on their minds to make up stories that they think has a perfectly tied bow on top.  It's all lies, not a single peice of truth lies in here.  What I wrote above perfectly shows your mistake.  No bhagat knew what the truth is.  They had to meet Satguru.  Only after meeting Satguru did they know what Gurbani is and they followed Gurmat teachings to achieve mukhti by the kirpa of Satguru. Without Gurbani there is no truth.

And Satguru is needed to give naam. But satguru is an aspect of God. It has existed since the world was created. And was manifest as Guru Nanak dev ji. But before 1469, Satguru or sargunn saroop of waheguru appeared to certain ppl and gave them naam. After 1469, that sargunn saroop of waheguru is manofest in sri guru granth sahib ji.

This is correct according to Sikhi. 

Anyways. What you guys are both saying is Ganika was not in hindu because she didnt follow strictly hindiu teachings. But she was saved due to japping naam. Which is a sikhi concept so she was a sikh. 

Don't put words in my mouth.  Are you a 3ho cult follower?  Because they try to capitalize on the work of others by taking what the person said and adding their twisted take to it.  So it looks like the 3ho is in agreement with the other person but they add manmat to Gurmat teachings.  Ganika was faithful person to Akal Purakh.   This is what Gurbani says and this is what she is.  Japji Sahib says, those who are faithful, will meet Vaheguru.   Japji Sahib speaks to many others, but this will become a very long post. 

Some ppl argue that only the name waheguru can save you. But really meditation is meditation. And no one word can limit waheguru or his mercy. This was given by our guru so we should honor it.

meditation is meditation!! What kind of nonsense is this.  Where in Gurbani does it say meditation is meditation?  Gurbani says remember Akal Purakh.   Gurbani doesn't say touch the tip of the thumb to the tip of the index finger and repeat Vaheguru.   This manmat practice is done by 3ho, which I can only guess are you friends or even spiritual teachers.  Gurbani says remember Akal Purakh while sitting standing and sleeping.  This is how we are told to meditate.   Gurbani says learn from the Guru and forget everyone else.   Yet, people want to sink, so they go to the 3ho cults, and babas, and others to find peace.  Nothing will be attained from these people other than more misery.  

16 hours ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

Akalifauj, could you share some light on people of other faiths and paths experiencing stuff in simran which is described in Gurbani. 
 

My extended family members haven’t had gurmantar from Panj Pyare, however they have experienced stuff very similar to sikhi if not the same. 

What are they experiencing?  Sounds? Seeing the future? Obtaining what they desire?  If they were experiencing something spiritual as Gurmat describes they would fall at the feet of Punj Pyare and take amrit.  

 

7 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Its mentioned multiple times. For example in  Sukhmani sahib. The astpadhi about bhagauti. Also Jat Pahara Dheeraj Pauri in japji sahib. But mostly it is summarized as the opposite of the panj chor so sat santokh daya dharam pyaar nimarta. Sehaj etc

Present the full shabad/pauri.  If you don't think its important to present the whole shabad/pauri.  Then stop quoting Gurbani.   

2 hours ago, T_Singh said:

In Kalyug only the naam given by Guru Nanak Patshah will save you.  

Other names of Vaaheguru are from the other yugs which can be chanted however, Vaaheguru is the Gurmantar for kalyug.  
 

Sabh Tai Vada Satgur Nanak Jin kal Rakhi Meri

Guru Nanak is the greatest of all; he saved my honour in this dark age of Kali Yuga.   - Guru Granth Sahib Jee ang 750

 

The Gurbani you have quoted does not say only in kalyug.  That is your own belief.  Naam simran is not about some chanting one word.  Vaheguru and the word Raam are no lesser or greater from each other.  It is the Gurmat meaning that makes them great.  In today's world the Mantar Vaheguru is being used in various ways.  For example, Vaheguru is the baba lying dead in a tomb, but the followers chant Vaheguru to remember this dead fake baba.  Vaheguru is gurmantar, but now it's meaning has been changed to praise a fake dead baba, who liked to draw Shiva ling. Others cults have taken on a similar method.  Raam was given to remember the One Supreme Being, but the Hindus started chanting Raam for raamchadr, who was not Vaheguru.  They focused on the dead as well.  From age to age this has been the primary problem.   

Gurbani mentions bhai lalo but does not mention him as a sikh, does that mean he was not a sikh then? 

Bhai lalo stayed with saroop of  Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.   Bhai Lalo was a companion of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.  Can you find Gurbani saying bhai Lalo was not a Sikh.  We can find in Gurbani, Sri chand did not listen to Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.  So if Bhai Lalo would have done the same or similar.  We would have discovered it Gurbani.  Such Gurbani does not exist.  To call Bhai Lalo  a Sikh is not baseless or without merit.  However to call ganika a hindu is completely baseless.   By her job she was identified as a prostitute. Which religious text of the Hindus says to be a prostitute and you are still a practicing hindu? No where in Gurbani does anyone of the contributors say she is a hindu.  Her behavior described in Gurbani does not say hindu or anything close.  So it's fair to say she was not a hindu.

you saying draupati was a sikh? lol Ok then.

I did not say or infer she is a Sikh.  You have a problem with making assumptions to help your view point.  But every time you attempt this foolish behavior you get caught on it.  I have been asking you to provide Gurbani to say Hindus have Satguru and therefore can attain Naam simran.  You brought up ganika because you wanted to pin her as a hindu.  I asked for proof from Gurbani to say she was a hindu.  You could not provide anything.  Then you wanted to provide more names and I asked for proof from Gurbani and you can't provide proof.  

like i said if a hindu remembers god like they did, they too will receive mukti. whats so hard to understand about that? 

Soon as you  say hindu your view point goes out the window.  A practicing hindu will not worship Vaheguru (the one supreme Being).  They will worship a devta or devi or like you add no God.  All three worships is not of Vaheguru, therefore they are not remembering God and cannot receive mukhti.  

bhagat namdev ji was thrown out of the mandir and dragged to the back because he was of a low caste, why would he walk into the mandir in the first place if he wasn't a hindu?  And why did god turn the mandir around so that it faced bhagat namdev?

God did many things for Bhagat Naamdev ji.  You should read about them in bhai gurdas ji Vaar and see where bhagat ji is referred to as a Gurmukh.   Walking into a mandir does not make anyone a hindu. A hindu walking into a Gurdwara does not make them a Sikh. Why are you hell bent on calling these great souls as Hindu when they did not define themselves as hindu?

hindu is a diverse belief system,not all hindus believe in devte or vedas. hinduism is so diverse that it even includes atheism. What your talking about is classical orthodox hinduism not all hindus adhere to that. couple of 100 yrs ago the word hindu didn't even exist, so what were they then?  hindu is a culture, a collection of a very diverse belief system. 

Hindu being a diverse group means nothing. You say hindu includes even atheism. You made the blanketed statement hindus have Raam naam, so what is an atheist hindu remembering when he doesn't believe in God? Can you provide the information I have been asking for? That this diverse group as Satguru and therefore do naam simran? If you can provide this information the discussion would have been finished. The fact is, you have no information to say Hindus have Satguru. So you have been beating around the Bush trying to throw up smoke screens. None of this worked.

19 hours ago, puzzled said:

neither does gurbani say they were sikh

 Who was ganika Guru?  Without satguru naam simran cannot be recieved.   Gurbani is very clear on this fact.

sikhi didnt even exist when they existed.

There is no difference between Gurbani and Vaheguru.   What you meant to say was Sikhi was not openly known on a wide scale at the time.  Sikhi always existed and will exist even when this universe cease to exist as Vaheguru absorbs it back into him.

5 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Bin Gunn kitte bhagat na hoy

What does Gurbani define as Gunn?

12 hours ago, puzzled said:

So your saying ganika was a sikh prostitute? Why did she take advise from a sadhoo the? 

Im not talking about the hindu system  im talking about hindus remembering God and achieving mukti like the people I mentioned above.  If they remember god, like the hindus I mentioned above, then they too achieve mukti. 

Does Gurbani say she was a Sikh prostitute?  Gurbani says ganika learned to repeat the lord's name from a parrot. 

What makes a person a hindu; following the hindu system of religion which includes the vedas and worshipping one of the devta or devi's as the Lord. Gurbani speaks against this and only Naam simran on Akal Purkh is accepted. The Gurbani shabad of Bhagat kabir ji is clear.  Show us anywhere in Gurbani that says any one of the names you mentioned identified as hindu.  Gurbani is the truth and will not hide the true identity of ajmaal bhagat dhru, draupti, etc.  None of them in Gurbani are defined as hindus.  So why do you forcibly want to apply the hindu term on them?  

 

17 hours ago, MokhamSingh said:

SIMRAN alone cannot open the door, if we use tobacco, cut kes, and indulge in vices.

Medicine only works if taken according to physician’s instructions...

 

I said simran on Vaheguru and you changed my word, simran alone, to fit your agenda.  Please provide Gurbani that says rehat is the key.  You made a claim and it needs to be supported.  

17 hours ago, puzzled said:

Your just talking gibberish now 

End of the day Ganika was a hindu prostitute, and a hindu sadhoo told her to do jaap of Raam Naam and gubani and bhai gurdas jis vaarns tell us that she received mukti.   So a hindu too can recive mukti by chanting raam naam. Which defeats your whole argument.  Ganika chanted raam naam with a parrot.     

Other examples of hindus that bhai gurdas ji gives in his vaarns.

Bhagat dhru was given naam by nard muni. Bhagat dru then rejected his fathers kingdom 

Even draupati is mentioned by bhai gurdas jis vaarns and how the lord saves her honor.

Ajmaal a sinner named his son narayan. On his death bes he would repeat sons name narayan again and again calling him over, just by doing this, bhai gurdas jis tells us that his sins were washed and he was saved.

And what about raja Janak? 

Ganika chanted raam naam with a parrot, ajamaal chanted his sons name narayaan again and again  and both were saved.

If hindus too chant gods name like these people they too will be saved. Out of a billion there are many that do. 

You've got nothing to write back so your just going in circles now . Just be honest with with yourself. 

 

I have searched Gurbani and no where can I find Ganika was a hindu.  What I find is how Ganika received mukhti.  Guru Sahib says she did simran on Vaheguru through teaching a parrot the name of the Lord.  And now you are fumbling other saved souls names into your blind assessment.  When I read Gurbani, all I see is these souls also remembered Vaheguru and they were saved.  Whether that be ajmaal, bhagat dhru, draupati, etc.  No where in Gurbani any of these souls claiming to be hindu or Gurbani saying they were hindu.  These souls did simran and they were saved.  You keep making outlandish claims but refuse to answer key answers.  If you believe being born in a hindu family makes a person hindu than Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji would be a hindu by your frivolous and irrational belief.

Okay let's make this simple because the Guru has written Gurbani for every soul to read, understand,  and apply.  What is the back bone of Hindus?  It's the vedas and those who wrote them.  And the devta and devi they worship.  What does Gurbani say about them?  If Gurbani accepts them to be Satguru than yes they can give Naam/naam simran.  If they are anything less than they can't give naam simran and through the hindu system mukhti can't be achieved. 

Read the below Gurbani.  This is bhagat kabir ji speaking.  Bhagat ji yearned for the darshan of Vaheguru and sent Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji his first form to pull bhagat kabir ji out the spiritual torture he was.  Now listen to bhagat ji words after meeting Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji 

ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਕੀ
Raag Dhanaasaree, The Word Of Devotee Kabeer Jee:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਸਨਕ ਸਨੰਦ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਮਾਨਾਂ ॥ ਸੇਖਨਾਗਿ ਤੇਰੋ ਮਰਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਾਂ ॥੧॥
ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ! (ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਦੇ ਪੁੱਤਰਾਂ) ਸਨਕ, ਸਨੰਦ ਅਤੇ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਜੀ ਵਰਗਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਤੇਰਾ ਭੇਦ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾਇਆ; (ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂ ਦੇ ਭਗਤ) ਸ਼ੇਸ਼ਨਾਗ ਨੇ ਤੇਰੇ (ਦਿਲ ਦਾ) ਰਾਜ਼ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਮਝਿਆ ।੧।
Beings like Sanak, Sanand, Shiva and Shaysh-naaga - none of them know Your mystery, Lord. ||1||

ਸੰਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਮੈਂ ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਰਹਿ ਕੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਵਸਾਉਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ ।੧।ਰਹਾਉ।
In the Society of the Saints, the Lord dwells within the heart. ||1||Pause||

ਹਨੂਮਾਨ ਸਰਿ ਗਰੁੜ ਸਮਾਨਾਂ ॥ ਸੁਰਪਤਿ ਨਰਪਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਗੁਨ ਜਾਨਾਂ ॥੨॥
(ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦਰ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸੇਵਕ) ਹਨੂਮਾਨ ਵਰਗੇ ਨੇ, (ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂ ਦੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਤੇ ਪੰਛੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਰਾਜੇ) ਗਰੁੜ ਵਰਗਿਆਂ ਨੇ, ਦੇਵਤਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਇੰਦਰ ਨੇ, ਵੱਡੇ ਵੱਡੇ ਰਾਜਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਤੇਰੇ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਦਾ ਅੰਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾਇਆ ।੨।
Beings like Hanumaan, Garura, Indra the King of the gods and the rulers of humans - none of them know Your Glories, Lord. ||2||

ਚਾਰਿ ਬੇਦ ਅਰੁ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਪੁਰਾਨਾਂ ॥ ਕਮਲਾਪਤਿ ਕਵਲਾ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨਾਂ ॥੩॥
ਚਾਰ ਵੇਦ, (ਅਠਾਰਾਂ) ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤੀਆਂ, (ਅਠਾਰਾਂ) ਪੁਰਾਣ—(ਇਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਕਰਤਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ, ਮਨੂ ਤੇ ਹੋਰ ਰਿਸ਼ੀਆਂ) ਨੇ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਮਝਿਆ; ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂ ਤੇ ਲੱਛਮੀ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾਇਆ ।੩।
The four Vedas, the Simritees and the Puraanas, Vishnu the Lord of Lakshmi and Lakshmi herself - none of them know the Lord. ||3||

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਸੋ ਭਰਮੈ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਪਗ ਲਗਿ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੈ ਸਰਨਾਂਹੀ ॥੪॥੧॥
ਕਬੀਰ ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ—(ਬਾਕੀ ਸਾਰੀ ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਦੇ ਲੋਕ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ ਹੋਰ ਹੋਰ ਪਾਸੇ ਭਟਕਦੇ ਰਹੇ) ਇੱਕ ਉਹ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਭਟਕਦਾ ਨਹੀਂ, ਜੋ (ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੀ) ਚਰਨੀਂ ਲੱਗ ਕੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਟਿਕਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ।੪।੧।
Says Kabeer, one who falls at the Lord's feet, and remains in His Sanctuary, does not wander around lost. ||4||1||

SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 691 
RAAG DHANAASREE BHAGAT KABEER JI

If the hindu system can give naam simran.  Then why would bhagat ji write to say they don't know the Lord? Bhai Gurdas ji Vaar are based on Gurbani, so present what you think is relevant here.  

Raam naam is given by Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.   Hence I told you to read Anand Sahib.   It's the reality Gurbani teaches.  I don't make the rules.  Gurbani is the key to simran of Vaheguru.   No other religion or holy text or person has this key.  Before you quote Bhagat kabir ji or some other line from Gurbani out of context.  Think twice because it will not take long before that also gets shot down.  Remember this, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji placed his head on the ground before Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.   The Guru got down on his knees and bowed before the King.  He did not place no other holy text or man or statue on a higher platform and bow.  And before you go into this rant about how Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is the Guru of the Sikhs only, then you have shown how you have not understood who Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is in reality.  You will be saying gravity only applies to one group of people and not these other ones. 

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

Just because i said i dont know which raam they are chanting dont mean iv just spoke for a billion hindus,   like i said go out there and ask hindus which raam they chanting.      

You conveniently forgot to quote how I said the below about Hindus

"Gurbani speaks on hindus and if the hindus are remembering according to their customs.  Then it is not naam simran."

honesty is higher than winning an argument.   Also stop with the smoke screen of ganika true story.  Ganika story has nothing to do with you starting off by saying, 

hindus do simran though, they do simran of ram naam.

Ganika was not a hindu, so why even present this story. 

1 minute ago, puzzled said:

yh i have read Anand Sahib

ganika the prostitute was saved by chanting ram naam,  a sadhoo simply told her to chant raam naam, she was a hindu prostitute and gained mukhti by chanting raam naam, who told her to chant it? a sadhoo did.  her story is mentioned by bhai Gurdas ji in his vaarns. shes also mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib ji as well.  Not sure where i read it either in bhai Gurdas Jis vaarns or Dasam bani but it mentioned how she became a yogni and was received with great celebrations when she gained mukti.

well i cant tell you which raam they chant, you need to go and ask a hindu that yourself

 

Does Gurbani say how Ganika received mukhti?  Does a sadhoo tell her to repeat Raam or raam naam.  If you believe the sadhoo had told her to repeat Raam naam, then who is this sadhoo Guru?  Does Gurbani speak of thos sadhoo?

You don't know which Raam they are remembering.   Thanks for being honest here.  Therefore you cant say they are doing naam simran.  Gurbani speaks on hindus and if the hindus are remembering according to their customs.  Then it is not naam simran.

1 minute ago, puzzled said:

well chanting ram ram is simran isn't it      whats the difference between a sikh chanting ram naam and a hindu chanting ram naam?   

Who said chanting Raam Raam is simran of Akal Purkh?  Again I repeat, Anand Sahib says without the Guru they are chanting har har and they don't receive the Guru's blessing.   Have you read Anand Sahib the paath.  Answer the questions.  Which Raam are they remembering? Which Guru gave them naam.  Stop making claims and start showing the sangat here what Gurbani says.  Gurbani says, sing Gurbani and help others to sing it.  Anand Sahib says,  come beloved SIKHS and sing the Guru's Bani.  

Just now, Akalifauj said:

So if anyone chants Raam, they are doing simran?  Which raam are they remembering?  Why does Anand Sahib say, with the Guru they chant har har but they are not receiving the blessing of Guru Sahib/Akal Purkh?  Which Guru gave them naam?  

I meant to write Anand Sahib says without the Guru they chant har har.....

25 minutes ago, puzzled said:

hindus do simran though, they do simran of ram naam.  when they carry their dead in varnasi they chant  ram naam sat hai  etc 

So if anyone chants Raam, they are doing simran?  Which raam are they remembering?  Why does Anand Sahib say, with the Guru they chant har har but they are not receiving the blessing of Guru Sahib/Akal Purkh?  Which Guru gave them naam?  

2 hours ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

I was reading discourses of the beyond and in the beginning of one of the chapters in part 3 the Sangat said to Sant Isher Singh ji “there are Sikhs, Hindus and Radha Soamis here and we all have similar experiences, we have come to the conclusion that all paths eventually lead you to the same destination”. Sant Isher Singh ji agreed and said this is very deep and true thinking, all paths will eventually lead to one destination. 
 

I feel as though this makes sense, but then again I always hear that Gurmat swaas swaas is the only way to get to sachkhand and it’s only for Sikhs. 
 

what’s the truth? 

Anand Sahib says they may chant har har but they are not chanting Vaheguru name.  Listen to Gurbani.  

Say you accept the above information as to be right.  What have you ultimately done by accepting it? You have taken it as the truth of Vaheguru and its Vaheguru hukam.  But you have not asked the Guru, if the above information is accepted.   So essentially you have made these people as your Guru.  And I know you don't want to do it.  Read Gurbani and follow the teachings of Gurbani.   Many people will come along and say I heard that so and so Baba said a,b, and c.  Ask them to point you to where Gurbani says it.  Honest people will either direct you to the ang and shabad or say I cant find it.  Dishonest people will feel personally attacked because you asked for Gurbani and these are the people who need the most help in regards to destroying their ego.

6 hours ago, MokhamSingh said:

Rehat  is the key to the door of Sachkand. The rehat was required even before 10th Patshahi. The oldest known Sanskrit scriptures mention: kes. The evils of tobacco. The misery of pre marital or extra marital intimacy. The consumption of flesh for satisfy taste buds.

Guru Ji’s rehat is not unique to Sikhi. The Khalsa Panth rehat is ancient, ever since the beginning of time...

Provide Gurbani that says rehat is the key to the door of sachkhand?  When I read Gurbani I hear, simran of Vaheguru is the key to the door of sachkhand. 

16 hours ago, brotha said:

Can't anbody see how he keeps on bullying here?

Just pathetic...

You have a bigger issue with me suggesting a rule that will stop insults towars the Guru and call it bullying than with a person who insulted the Guru.

Did your fake baba ever tell you his cane will not reach me over the internet.  And if you ever try to attack me with your fake baba cane, I will give you a response that will be remembered for ten generations in your fake baba family.  One fake baba is already facing the consequences of coming after me. Live your life, enjoy it and remember Vaheguru not your fake baba.