Wicked Warrior

Okay, a while back I heard how some Sikhs said they would eat meat if there was nothing else and others said they wouldn't even if it meant them dying.

This plus a joke (see below) got me thinking.

Imagine you are in the desert. Nothing around for hundreds of miles. You have very little water left. No food. For days, you do an Ardaas to the Lord and pray for some food. Day after day, you pray to the Lord for some food.

One day, you're sitting there and a pig* comes out of nowhere and just stands around in front of you.

DO YOU EAT IT?

*doesn't have to be a pig, but must be an animal you can't drink milk from

** bear in mind there's nothing but sand around for miles. No grass, trees, vegetation or other humans.

Below's the joke that made me think of the above:

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A farmer is in Iowa during a flood. The river is overflowing, with water surrounding the farmer's home up to his front porch. As he is standing there, a boat comes up, The man in the boat says "Jump in, I'll take you to safety."

The farmer crosses his arms and says stubbornly, "Nope, I put my trust in God."

The boat goes away. The water rises to the second floor. Another boat comes up, the man says to the farmer who is now in the second story window, "Jump in, I'll save you."

The farmer again says, "Nope, I put my trust in God."

The boat goes away. Now the water is up to the roof. As The farmer stands on the roof, a helicopter comes over, and drops a ladder. The pilot yells down to the farmer "I'll save you, climb the ladder."

The farmer says "Nope, I put my trust in God."

The helicopter goes away. The water comtinues to rise and sweeps the farmer off the roof. He drowns.

The farmer goes to heaven. God sees him and says "What are you doing here?"

The farmer says "I put my trust in you and you let me down."

God says, "What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!!! What more did you want!?!!"

What I wanna know is how people fall for such things?!?!?

If I said "God bowed down at my feet", then people would think I'm crazy. right?!

Next thing this guy's gonna say is that he's Guru Nanak. Or worse still, the Guru of Guru Nanak.

Shouldn't he be excommunicated or something?

With all these pronounciation problems is it any wonder the youth (including me) know very little Punjabi?

Loon now called Noon? Perhaps this is part of the evolution of Punjabi language? Maybe in a hundred years' time, no one knows what "loon" is but they all know what "noon" is?

I've always thought Gatka as the 'show/demonstration' version and Shaster Vidya as the 'warfare' version.

The few times that I've seen Gatka demonstrations usually during Nagar Kirtans, the weapons used seem prone to damage rather readily. Swords get bent, spear ends come loose.

To me, it doesn't seem like they're using real weaponry, which is why I've always thought they used equipment suitable for demonstrations. Hence me calling this stuff Gatka.

Didn't mean to offend anyone. It's just my view.

I've always thought that dishonest work is stuff like making a living from gambling, extortion, blackmail etc - stuff where you haven't actually done any work to earn money, as well as illegal work such as growing illegal drugs etc.

However, surfing the net when you're meant to be working is wrong as it is deceitful.

Thankfully I'm a student at uni so I don't have to worry about these things....now where's my mate with the lecture notes :lol:

OMG Just looking at the pics! I was like

Now this makes me want to go and shoot those RSS b*****ds

Fateh forgive me for my outburst

Did Guru Nanak Dev Ji have contempt for the sinners around him? Did he yell at those who did not follow his path?

No

Guru Ji approached them with LOVE - pyare.

We all should approach everyone with pyare. When faced with those who turn their back to Sikhi, or who are ignorant, or who do not know much, we should not scold them. Instead, we should approach them with pyare.

Didn't realise they had re-opened it as a while back people were making silly edits, trying to offend their targets by calling them names etc on Wiki.

For a while, wiki then made sure that only registered users could edit it, which is why I thought someone else should do it. Didn't realise they had reversed that limitation.

anyhoo looks like it's already been edited. Thankfully.

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Among the Sikhs the use of bhang as a beverage appears to be common, and to be associated with their religious practices. The witnesses who refer to this use by the Sikhs appear to regard it as an essential part of their religious rites having the authority of the Granth or Sikh scripture. Witness Sodhi Iswar Singh, Extra Assistant Commissioner, says :"As far as I know, bhang is pounded by the Sikhs on the Dasehra day, and it is ordinarily binding upon every Sikh to drink it as a sacred draught by mixing water with it. Legend--Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth guru, the founder of the Sikh religion, was on the gaddi of Baba Nanak in the time of Emperor Aurangzeb. When the guru was at Anandpur, tahsil Una, Hoshiarpur district, engaged in battle with the Hill Rajas of the Simla, Kangra, and the Hoshiarpur districts, the Rains sent an elephant, who was trained in attacking and slaying the forces of the enemy with a sword in his trunk and in breaking open the gates of forts, to attack and capture the Lohgarh fort near Anandpur. The guru gave one of his followers, Bachittar Singh, some bhang and a little of opium to eat, and directed him to face the said elephant. This brave man obeyed the word of command of his leader and attacked the elephant, who was intoxicated and had achieved victories in several battles before, with the result that the animal was overpowered and the Hill Rajas defeated. The use of bhang, therefore, on the Dasehra day is necessary as a sacred draught. It is customary among the Sikhs generally to drink bhang, so that Guru Gobind Singh has himself said the following poems in praise of bhang: "Give me, O Saki (butler), a cup of green colour (bhang), as it is required by me at the time of battle (vide 'Suraj Parkash,' the Sikh religious book). "Bhang is also used on the Chandas day, which is a festival of the god Sheoji Mahadeva. The Sikhs consider it binding to use it on the Dasehra day-The quantity then taken is too small to prove injurious." As Sikhs are absolutely prohibited by their religion from smoking, the use of ganja and charas in this form is not practised by them. of old Sikh times, is annually permitted to collect without interference a boat load of bhang, which is afterwards. distributed throughout the year to the sadhus and beggars who are supported by the dharamsala.

What the h-ll?!?!? Is this true?

Anyone able to contact Wikipedia to correct them?

BTW wasn't looking for info on cannabis. was looking for info on Baba Nand Singh Ji.

Not sure about the kalgi, though in the instances I know, the groom takes it off before entering the Gurdwara/Darbar Sahib. Other instances, it's not worn at all.

Haldi - AFAIK cleans the skin and makes it lighter. Bride and groom have gotta look best on their wedding day.

Lavaan - did they actually do this back in the times that Guru Ji was in human form? Or is it something that has come from Hinduism (going round four times)? The lavaan are meant to represent the four steps to meeting with the Lord. In some Gurdwaras, namely Nanaksar ones, the Guru is placed in such a way that it is impossible to go around Him for the Lavaan. Instead the bride and groom stand up at each bit and matha tek at the end.

I just wanna be able to sit in the Gurdwara for an hour without any problems. Eventually I want to be able to increase that to a full Akand Path (48hrs). Something I believe I should attain before taking the Guru's Amrit.

When sitting cross-legged for ages, I get a dead leg (circulation/nerves cut off). Is there anyway to avoid this? Generally I switch from sitting cross-legged to lifting one knee to chest and holding it there with arms wrapped around it (you've seen everyone do it!)

Is there a way I can sit cross-legged for more than a few mins without a dead leg?

Heartburn: Bananas have a natural antacid effect in the body, so if you suffer from heartburn, try eating a banana for soothing relief.

Um, gonna disagree with you on that one. Bananas cause me heartburn, not cure it. In fact, I don't recall any other food that gives me heartburn as severe as bananas. Then again, most foods don't give me heartburn. Meh.

pihlw pUqu ipCYrI mweI ]

pehilaa pooth pishhairee maaee ||

First, the son was born, and then, his mother.

ermmmmmm im guessing its either

The son being born first is in backward order.

We're not the architects of destiny. Sometimes we expect things to happen in a certain sequence but only Vaheguru has the ability to change destiny, not mere mortals.

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This is what I think it means. Like you could touch the flame of a candle and feel its coldness (ie you don't burn yourself). It's like a way of showing the Lord's ultimate power.

I agree with many of you.

To other people, I call myself a Sikh, even though I'm not Amritdhari. The same way many people call themselves Christians but go to church only on Easter and Christmas.

Between me and God, I know I'm not a Sikh.

To me, a Sikh is one who has listened to the Guru's Word and instructed up on ie taken amrit, naam japs, is the very saroop of the Guru.

They who are close to the Guru, who were cut apart limb from limb but didn't give up their Sikhi. They are Sikhs. The bibian who watched their children murdered in front of their eyes all day and at the end of it still praised Waheguru - they are Sikhs.

To call myself a Sikh is insulting the True Sikhs.

im not 100% sure but I will try though...

ijau supnY inis BulIAY jb lig indRw hoie ]

jio supanai nis bhuleeai jab lag nidhraa hoe ||

In their dreams at night, people wander around as long as they sleep;

people wonder at night while they sleep, about money and what not...

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Not sure if that's the correct interpretation of people "wandering".

To wander means to move/roam about

To wonder means to think about things

I remember reading somewhere that when you sleep, your soul actually wanders around ie gets out of the body and moves around. I'm pretty sure the Chinese believe this and recommend covering all reflecting surfaces with a cloth - something to prevent the soul seeing it's reflection or something.

Might be a reference to this.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh

That was awesome! I've only read so far as the mool mantar bit, but WOW!

Thank you so very much for taking your time out to help spread gyan.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Pictures of Guru's should be disallowed. But not pictures of other Gurdwaras, or of Sikh shaheeds who were sawn in half for not converting. It's pics like these that help me make sense of my identity of Sikhi.

Baba Nand Singh Ji never turned his back to Guru Ji, such was his shardaa.

Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj was practical expression and true exposition of the pure love of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Love of Sri Guru Granth Sahib was the most overwhelming, the most enrapturing, the most inspiring, the most vibrant aspect of the divine personality of Mahan Babaji. Never has the world witnessed such unique adoration, love and worship of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj, a personification of humility, had never physically turned His back towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib in His whole life. This reminds one of the great life of the Holiest of the Holy Sri Guru Amar Das Ji, who had not physically turned His back towards Sri Guru Angad Sahib. Because for Mahan Babaji, Sri Guru Granth Sahib was the living, the visible God, Nirankar Saroop Sri Guru Nanak Sahib Himself: how could the greatest divine lover of all times in the very living presence of His beloved Lord, turn His back towards Him. Those who are not aware of the actual living presence of the supreme Lord in Sri Guru Granth Sahib cannot understand and grasp the subtlety of such great sentiment of devotion.

Completely agree with you. In fact, I don't think the Khanda is respected enough.

People flaunt it as a symbol to call themselves Sikhs yet the ones who do it the most are the ones who understand the least and practise Sikhi the least (or not at all).

IMO I don't think the Khanda should be placed on anything like car keys, badges, clothing etc. I feel like it's disrespecting the Nishan Sahib and the Sikhi associated with the Khanda.

In fact, I was really irate when they made mini-Sikh flags for the celebration of the tricentennary of the Khalsa Panth. Why? Because what did I see after the event?

Khandas on flags on the floor everywhere, trodden on, disrespected, trashed as though it was no longer important. This is the importance that most 'sikhs' attach to the Khanda. Something to flaunt and be proud to be Sikh but then not to practise or respect the principles.

I kinda don't understand. When I go to the Gurdwara, most of them have the ragis sitting parallel to the Guru, facing the sangat.

Baba Mihan Singh Ji also sat parallel to the Guru in Nanaksar Gurdwara, Coventry.

Confused.

Most people of this world are still attached to Maya. They think they are Sikhs but then don't go along with Sikhi.

My dad told me about this Amritdharee who couldn't find another Amritdharee to marry. Why? Because she's white!!!

So much emphasis is put on physical appearance that all forget everything else. Very hard to find a true Gursikh in this day and age.

Can't say whether you're good or bad.

All I can say is what Guru Nanak Dev Ji said- if you are a Hindu, be a good Hindu. If you are a Muslim, be a good Muslim.

Same goes, if you're going to be a Sikh, be a good Sikh.

IMO, nobody should say anything during that part of the ardas. Maharaj Ji can look into your heart and see your desires and wishes. He knows what you have donated - nay he knows what you're going to donate before you even give.

Committees, as a friend once told me, wreck everything.

I remember reading about this salok in Baba Harnam Singh Jis biography. Completely forgot to look it up. Thanks.