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So how about those famous saints who still followed their own religion, like the likes of Mian Mir Ji or Ravi-das ji? :huh2:
Kira bro the religious outlook of both Sain Mian Mir Ji and Bhagat Ravidas Ji was in fact Sikh as they both rejected Islam and Hinduism outright. For example, Muslims do not do matha tek to Guru Sahib but Sain Mian Mir Ji as the total non-Muslim Sufi that they were did (as true Sufi's - who were all non-Muslims - reject the personal life example of Prophet Muhammad in relation to his slave trading, terrorism, pedophilia etc but still believe in one God). Similarly, Bhagat Ravidas Ji rejected Hinduism as all their teachings align with Gurmat as we can see from their words in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
But they identified themselves as Hindu/Muslim though?
No they absolutely did not self-identify as Hindu's or Muslims bro. Those that do not believe in the caste system, fake pilgrimages, slavery, pedophilia, terrorism etc were simply the Gurmukhs they were. Bhagat Namdev Ji (falsely called a Hindu by the enemies of Sikhs) famously states in Gurbani - Hindu anna Turk kaana - so that lays the debate to rest conclusively.
The authors of Gurbani were ALL non-Muslims and non-Hindu's.
I find the Muslim bhagats who were on cordial terms with our Guru Sahibs to be a bit of a grey area though. Did they outright reject Islam or was there a reluctance to completely abandon the faith they were born into?
MisterrSingh a lot of props from me to u bro for what u managed the last 10 years and praying that u continue in Chardi Kala.
Sain Mian Mir Ji were not Muslim though bro. By rejecting the personal life example of Prophet Muhammad (as all true Sufi's did prior to persecution) and rejecting his life as the best role model for humanity in terms of the slave trading, pedophilia, terrorism, killing he did, all our blessed Gurmukhs of Muslim ancestry clearly outright reject Islam. The biggest proof is that they all did matha tek to Guru Sahib. Obviously Bhai Mardana Ji was the first Sikh in history too.
PS: Kira and MisterrSingh you'll be pleased to know that u are both shortlisted for best new poster of 2015 along with Xerxes and Balkaar. I will be awarding the prize depending on how much each of you all pay into my bank account.
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Angel Gabriel and Satan both just made a phone call to Prophet Muhammad and told him that ...
can all off topic replies be made on a new thread so that the topic can remain what are the biggest answers to Islam.
@ Preeet
the English translation is clearly wrong as Guru Sahib clarify that it CANNOT be the din of Muhammad ...
... by explicitly stating that let a true Muslim put aside the delusions of life and death whilst Prophet Muhammad lied about 72 virgins after death, was a pedophile, slaveowner, terrorist, rapist and racist murderer during his very evil life.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji defines who can be classed as a true Muslim.
Prophet Muhammad as a pedophile, terrorist, slaveowner, rapist + murderer fails on all criteria.
Aval a▫ul ḏīn kar miṯẖā maskal mānā māl musāvai.
First, let him savor the religion of the 1God (Truth) =Sikhi as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.ਹੋਇ ਮੁਸਲਿਮੁ ਦੀਨ ਮੁਹਾਣੈ ਮਰਣ ਜੀਵਣ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਵੈ ॥
होइ मुसलिमु दीन मुहाणै मरण जीवण का भरमु चुकावै ॥Ho▫e muslim ḏīn muhāṇai maraṇ jīvaṇ kā bẖaram cẖukẖāvai.
Becoming a true Muslim =Gurmukh (not a disciple of the faith of Mohammed) let him put aside the delusion of death and life.The definition of a true Muslim is a Gurmukh not some Arab genocidal maniac who was a pedophile that sold innocent children into slavery, raped innocent women + beheaded innocent non-Muslims.
How do you Preeet and Paki'ndi Babar justify respecting Prophet Muhammad when he openly did the following evil things against innocent human beings that are fully recorded in both Quran+Hadiths?
An ex-Muslim called Ali Sina of www.faithfreedom.org will also pay
$5,000,000 U.S. dollars
to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that he has made against Muhammad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM
Facts prove that the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Prophet Muhammad was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8
MUHAMMAD'S SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad began receiving revelations, his first impression of these revelations was that they were demonic.
- Muhammad was so traumatized by his encounter with "Gabriel" that he repeatedly tried to commit suicide by hurling himself off a cliff.
- According to Muslim sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation from the devil (the "Satanic Verses").
- Muhammad claimed that he was a victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY
- Islam promotes idolatry (e.g., bowing down to the Kaaba and kissing the black stone).
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- Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring unconditional obedience to him and by requiring Muslims to talk to him during their daily prayers.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH VIOLENCE
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- Muhammad ordered his followers to torture a man named Kinana to find out where some money was hidden. Muhammad then had Kinana killed, and took his wife for himself.
- Muhammad commanded his followers to kill critics of Islam.
- Muhammad ordered his followers to kill apostates, even if they had good reasons for leaving Islam.
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MUHAMMAD'S SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS
- The Qur'an claims that stars are missiles that Allah uses to shoot demons.
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- Muhammad's teachings about personal hygiene would lead to death if Muslims took them seriously.
- Muhammad claimed that Gabriel explained to him why children look like one parent or the other. Gabriel's answer is completely false.
MUHAMMAD'S EVIDENTIAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad was too shy to tell his dinner guests to leave, Allah stepped in with a special revelation that should make everyone wonder whether Muhammad's revelations really have anything to do with God.
- The Qur'an declares that Christians find Muhammad mentioned in our scriptures. Yet our scriptures call Muhammad an antichrist.
- In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation. When Muhammad died, he said he could feel his aorta being severed.
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- The Qur'an presents a test for divine inspiration, but fails the test.
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- Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly changes his eternal mind about his eternal Word via abrogation.
- The Qur'an is missing at least two verses in which Allah commands grown women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent sexual misconduct.
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MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN
- Muhammad allowed his followers to hire prostitutes.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to have up to four wives at a time. But Muhammad received a special revelation giving him (and him alone) the right to break the four-wife limit.
- Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to beat their wives into submission.
- Islam allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave-girls.
- Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
- When Muhammad's wife Sauda became fat and unattractive, Muhammad intended to divorce her. Sauda had to relinquish some of her marital rights to avoid being abandoned.
- After Muhammad got caught having sex with his slave girl in the bed of one of his wives, he swore that he would stop having sex with his slave-girl. Allah ordered him to break that oath.
- Muhammad claimed that women are less intelligent and less moral than men.
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MUHAMMAD'S THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS
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- According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers."
- According to Muhammad, Allah wants people to sin, and he threatens us with annihilation if we refuse to sin.
- Since Allah would destroy us for not sinning, the true savior of humanity, according to Islam, is Satan, who tempts human beings to sin and therefore protects us from being destroyed.
- Muhammad didn't know whether he would go to heaven or hell when he died.
- Islam teaches that Allah will punish Jews and Christians in hell for the sins of Muslims.
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Yes Preeet i don't blame u for being confused by the wrong English translation.
As Guru Sahib totally clarify that the pedophilia, slavery, racism, sexism, rapes, terrorism, beheadings of innocent non-Muslims as done by Prophet Muhammad and confirmed in the Holy Quran and Hadiths were all totally wrong and crimes against humanity.
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@ Preeet
the English translation is clearly wrong as Guru Sahib clarify that it CANNOT be the din of Muhammad ...
... by explicitly stating that let a true Muslim put aside the delusions of life and death whilst Prophet Muhammad lied about 72 virgins after death, was a pedophile, slaveowner, terrorist, rapist and racist murderer during his very evil life.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji defines who can be classed as a true Muslim.
Prophet Muhammad as a pedophile, terrorist, slaveowner, rapist + murderer fails on all criteria.
Aval a▫ul ḏīn kar miṯẖā maskal mānā māl musāvai.
First, let him savor the religion of the 1God (Truth) =Sikhi as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.ਹੋਇ ਮੁਸਲਿਮੁ ਦੀਨ ਮੁਹਾਣੈ ਮਰਣ ਜੀਵਣ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਵੈ ॥
होइ मुसलिमु दीन मुहाणै मरण जीवण का भरमु चुकावै ॥Ho▫e muslim ḏīn muhāṇai maraṇ jīvaṇ kā bẖaram cẖukẖāvai.
Becoming a true Muslim =Gurmukh (not a disciple of the faith of Mohammed) let him put aside the delusion of death and life.The definition of a true Muslim is a Gurmukh not some Arab genocidal maniac who was a pedophile that sold innocent children into slavery, raped innocent women + beheaded innocent non-Muslims.
How do you Preeet and Paki'ndi Babar justify respecting Prophet Muhammad when he openly did the following evil things against innocent human beings that are fully recorded in both Quran+Hadiths?
An ex-Muslim called Ali Sina of www.faithfreedom.org will also pay
$5,000,000 U.S. dollars
to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that he has made against Muhammad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM
Facts prove that the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Prophet Muhammad was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8
MUHAMMAD'S SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad began receiving revelations, his first impression of these revelations was that they were demonic.
- Muhammad was so traumatized by his encounter with "Gabriel" that he repeatedly tried to commit suicide by hurling himself off a cliff.
- According to Muslim sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation from the devil (the "Satanic Verses").
- Muhammad claimed that he was a victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY
- Islam promotes idolatry (e.g., bowing down to the Kaaba and kissing the black stone).
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- Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring unconditional obedience to him and by requiring Muslims to talk to him during their daily prayers.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH VIOLENCE
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- Muhammad ordered his followers to torture a man named Kinana to find out where some money was hidden. Muhammad then had Kinana killed, and took his wife for himself.
- Muhammad commanded his followers to kill critics of Islam.
- Muhammad ordered his followers to kill apostates, even if they had good reasons for leaving Islam.
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MUHAMMAD'S SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS
- The Qur'an claims that stars are missiles that Allah uses to shoot demons.
-
- Muhammad's teachings about personal hygiene would lead to death if Muslims took them seriously.
- Muhammad claimed that Gabriel explained to him why children look like one parent or the other. Gabriel's answer is completely false.
MUHAMMAD'S EVIDENTIAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad was too shy to tell his dinner guests to leave, Allah stepped in with a special revelation that should make everyone wonder whether Muhammad's revelations really have anything to do with God.
- The Qur'an declares that Christians find Muhammad mentioned in our scriptures. Yet our scriptures call Muhammad an antichrist.
- In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation. When Muhammad died, he said he could feel his aorta being severed.
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- The Qur'an presents a test for divine inspiration, but fails the test.
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- Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly changes his eternal mind about his eternal Word via abrogation.
- The Qur'an is missing at least two verses in which Allah commands grown women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent sexual misconduct.
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MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN
- Muhammad allowed his followers to hire prostitutes.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to have up to four wives at a time. But Muhammad received a special revelation giving him (and him alone) the right to break the four-wife limit.
- Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to beat their wives into submission.
- Islam allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave-girls.
- Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
- When Muhammad's wife Sauda became fat and unattractive, Muhammad intended to divorce her. Sauda had to relinquish some of her marital rights to avoid being abandoned.
- After Muhammad got caught having sex with his slave girl in the bed of one of his wives, he swore that he would stop having sex with his slave-girl. Allah ordered him to break that oath.
- Muhammad claimed that women are less intelligent and less moral than men.
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MUHAMMAD'S THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS
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- According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers."
- According to Muhammad, Allah wants people to sin, and he threatens us with annihilation if we refuse to sin.
- Since Allah would destroy us for not sinning, the true savior of humanity, according to Islam, is Satan, who tempts human beings to sin and therefore protects us from being destroyed.
- Muhammad didn't know whether he would go to heaven or hell when he died.
- Islam teaches that Allah will punish Jews and Christians in hell for the sins of Muslims.
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@Preeet.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji defines who can be classed as a true Muslim.
Prophet Muhammad as a pedophile, terrorist, slaveowner, rapist + murderer fails on all criteria.
Aval a▫ul ḏīn kar miṯẖā maskal mānā māl musāvai.
First, let him savor the religion of the 1God (Truth) =Sikhi as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.ਹੋਇ ਮੁਸਲਿਮੁ ਦੀਨ ਮੁਹਾਣੈ ਮਰਣ ਜੀਵਣ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਵੈ ॥
होइ मुसलिमु दीन मुहाणै मरण जीवण का भरमु चुकावै ॥Ho▫e muslim ḏīn muhāṇai maraṇ jīvaṇ kā bẖaram cẖukẖāvai.
Becoming a true Muslim =Gurmukh (not a disciple of the faith of Mohammed) let him put aside the delusion of death and life.The definition of a true Muslim is a Gurmukh not some Arab genocidal maniac who was a pedophile that sold innocent children into slavery, raped innocent women + beheaded innocent non-Muslims.
How do you Preeet and Paki'ndi Babar justify respecting Prophet Muhammad when he openly did the following evil things against innocent human beings recorded in both Quran+Hadiths?
An ex-Muslim called Ali Sina of www.faithfreedom.org will also pay
$5,000,000 U.S. dollars
to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that he has made against Muhammad.
Facts prove that the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Prophet Muhammad was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8
MUHAMMAD'S SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad began receiving revelations, his first impression of these revelations was that they were demonic.
- Muhammad was so traumatized by his encounter with "Gabriel" that he repeatedly tried to commit suicide by hurling himself off a cliff.
- According to Muslim sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation from the devil (the "Satanic Verses").
- Muhammad claimed that he was a victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY
- Islam promotes idolatry (e.g., bowing down to the Kaaba and kissing the black stone).
-
- Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring unconditional obedience to him and by requiring Muslims to talk to him during their daily prayers.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH VIOLENCE
-
- Muhammad ordered his followers to torture a man named Kinana to find out where some money was hidden. Muhammad then had Kinana killed, and took his wife for himself.
- Muhammad commanded his followers to kill critics of Islam.
- Muhammad ordered his followers to kill apostates, even if they had good reasons for leaving Islam.
-
MUHAMMAD'S SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS
- The Qur'an claims that stars are missiles that Allah uses to shoot demons.
-
- Muhammad's teachings about personal hygiene would lead to death if Muslims took them seriously.
- Muhammad claimed that Gabriel explained to him why children look like one parent or the other. Gabriel's answer is completely false.
MUHAMMAD'S EVIDENTIAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad was too shy to tell his dinner guests to leave, Allah stepped in with a special revelation that should make everyone wonder whether Muhammad's revelations really have anything to do with God.
- The Qur'an declares that Christians find Muhammad mentioned in our scriptures. Yet our scriptures call Muhammad an antichrist.
- In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation. When Muhammad died, he said he could feel his aorta being severed.
-
- The Qur'an presents a test for divine inspiration, but fails the test.
-
-
-
-
- Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly changes his eternal mind about his eternal Word via abrogation.
- The Qur'an is missing at least two verses in which Allah commands grown women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent sexual misconduct.
-
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN
- Muhammad allowed his followers to hire prostitutes.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to have up to four wives at a time. But Muhammad received a special revelation giving him (and him alone) the right to break the four-wife limit.
- Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to beat their wives into submission.
- Islam allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave-girls.
- Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
- When Muhammad's wife Sauda became fat and unattractive, Muhammad intended to divorce her. Sauda had to relinquish some of her marital rights to avoid being abandoned.
- After Muhammad got caught having sex with his slave girl in the bed of one of his wives, he swore that he would stop having sex with his slave-girl. Allah ordered him to break that oath.
- Muhammad claimed that women are less intelligent and less moral than men.
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MUHAMMAD'S THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS
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- According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers."
- According to Muhammad, Allah wants people to sin, and he threatens us with annihilation if we refuse to sin.
- Since Allah would destroy us for not sinning, the true savior of humanity, according to Islam, is Satan, who tempts human beings to sin and therefore protects us from being destroyed.
- Muhammad didn't know whether he would go to heaven or hell when he died.
- Islam teaches that Allah will punish Jews and Christians in hell for the sins of Muslims.
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@ SadSingh how about u start using bhang, imbibing alcohol + start bowing to 3 granths?
Once u do that + a few havans + start praising Santa Sin + the nangs that fought for the Hindu Mahants in the 1920's
... then finally u might be able to say something about those who supported Indira Gandhi and the Hindu Mahants
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@Eduardo bro
Don't believe any false translations of peeps who promote pedophile slaveowners
http://www.faithfree...g/challenge.htm
I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.
If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay
$50,000 U.S. dollars
to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRbxymXVdp0
I accuse the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Prophet Muhammad of being:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj24Oz1MuCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCz9MXmcsw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_c53O3-Hk
MUHAMMAD'S SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad began receiving revelations, his first impression of these revelations was that they were demonic.
- Muhammad was so traumatized by his encounter with "Gabriel" that he repeatedly tried to commit suicide by hurling himself off a cliff.
- According to Muslim sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation from the devil (the "Satanic Verses").
- Muhammad claimed that he was a victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY
- Islam promotes idolatry (e.g., bowing down to the Kaaba and kissing the black stone).
- Islam promotes pagan rituals (e.g., the pilgrimage to Mecca).
- Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring unconditional obedience to him and by requiring Muslims to talk to him during their daily prayers.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH VIOLENCE
- After leaving Mecca, Muhammad supported his religion by robbing people.
- Muhammad ordered his followers to torture a man named Kinana to find out where some money was hidden. Muhammad then had Kinana killed, and took his wife for himself.
- Muhammad commanded his followers to kill critics of Islam.
- Muhammad ordered his followers to kill apostates, even if they had good reasons for leaving Islam.
- The Qur'an commands Muslims to violently subjugate Jews and Christians.
MUHAMMAD'S SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS
- The Qur'an claims that stars are missiles that Allah uses to shoot demons.
- The Qur'an claims that the sun sets in a pool of murky water.
- Muhammad's teachings about personal hygiene would lead to death if Muslims took them seriously.
- Muhammad claimed that Gabriel explained to him why children look like one parent or the other. Gabriel's answer is completely false.
MUHAMMAD'S EVIDENTIAL PROBLEMS
- When Muhammad was too shy to tell his dinner guests to leave, Allah stepped in with a special revelation that should make everyone wonder whether Muhammad's revelations really have anything to do with God.
- The Qur'an declares that Christians find Muhammad mentioned in our scriptures. Yet our scriptures call Muhammad an antichrist.
- In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation. When Muhammad died, he said he could feel his aorta being severed.
- The Qur'an contains a prophecy that wasn't fulfilled.
- The Qur'an presents a test for divine inspiration, but fails the test.
- The central argument for the inspiration of the Qur'an is the "Argument from Literary Excellence," which is absurd on multiple levels.
- The author of the Qur'an doesn't know that Miriam, the sister of Aaron and Moses, is a different person from Mary, the mother of Jesus (because their names are the same in Arabic).
- The Qur'an claims that Alexander the Great and Aesop were devout Muslims.
- Allah promises to protect the Qur'an from corruption, but the Qur'an has been corrupted (by Muslim standards).
- Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly changes his eternal mind about his eternal Word via abrogation.
- The Qur'an is missing at least two verses in which Allah commands grown women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent sexual misconduct.
- The Qur'an contains numerous false stories that were plagiarized from other sources.
MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN
- Muhammad allowed his followers to hire prostitutes.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to have up to four wives at a time. But Muhammad received a special revelation giving him (and him alone) the right to break the four-wife limit.
- Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha.
- The Qur'an allows Muslim men to beat their wives into submission.
- Islam allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave-girls.
- Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
- When Muhammad's wife Sauda became fat and unattractive, Muhammad intended to divorce her. Sauda had to relinquish some of her marital rights to avoid being abandoned.
- After Muhammad got caught having sex with his slave girl in the bed of one of his wives, he swore that he would stop having sex with his slave-girl. Allah ordered him to break that oath.
- Muhammad claimed that women are less intelligent and less moral than men.
- When Muhammad's wives asked why he was giving special privileges to Aisha, he justified his actions by saying that he received revelations while wearing Aisha's dress!
MUHAMMAD'S THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS
- According to the Qur'an, Allah has no love for unbelievers.
- According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers."
- According to Muhammad, Allah wants people to sin, and he threatens us with annihilation if we refuse to sin.
- Since Allah would destroy us for not sinning, the true savior of humanity, according to Islam, is Satan, who tempts human beings to sin and therefore protects us from being destroyed.
- Muhammad didn't know whether he would go to heaven or hell when he died.
- Islam teaches that Allah will punish Jews and Christians in hell for the sins of Muslims.
- Muhammad promises his followers a paradise in which Allah will bless them with eternal erections so that they can continually deflower their virgins.
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Jonny Veer Ji good point but there are 25 million Sikhs and 1,600 million Muslims.
So by freeing innocent people who have been indoctrinated by the Nazi ideology of Islam it helps the world.
The whole world can be a better more peaceful place if we try to help free 1,600 million from Arab slavery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_c53O3-Hk
Aisha's Age of Consummation
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The age difference between 9 year old Aisha and 54 year old Muhammad was 45 years
This article discusses the DMS (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) of mental disorders and cites sahih hadiths to prove that Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile according to clinical definitions.
For all related sahih hadiths confirming Aisha's age at marriage and consummation, see: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Aisha. For a comprehensive refutation of all the claims that Aisha was older than 9, see: Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age. And for all other apologetic arguments, see: Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha.
Contents [hide]- 1 Pedophilia
- 2 Was Muhammad a Pedophile?
- 3 Conclusion
- 4 See Also
- 5 External Links
- 6 References
Many critics of Islam claim Muhammad's relationship with Aisha was a pedophilic relationship, therefore Muhammad was a pedophile.
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj24Oz1MuCE
In psychiatry, the most commonly used diagnostic criteria for diagnosing psychiatric ailments are those from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of mental disorders. The latest issue is DSM-IV-TR. The DSM classification is a system that classifies and defines all accepted psychiatric ailments and symptoms, with their inclusion and exclusion criteria. The following are the inclusion and exclusion criteria for pedophilia (302.2):
[edit] Pedophilia according to DSM-IV-TR
A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj24Oz1MuCE
Also note that Sahih Muslim says Aisha still had her dolls with her when she was taken to Muhammad’s house as a bride. Applying Ibn Hajar’s doll-playing exegesis from Part 1, it becomes clear that Aisha was pre-pubescent when she became a bride.
Therefore, it is abundantly clear from the hadiths, that Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad first had sex with her on her wedding day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNesnfFDvc
Here we see that Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was 9 lunar years old. Is this age confirmed by any other (Sahih) ahadith? Yes it is:
Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed (sic – consummated) that marriage when she was nine years old.
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.
Apologists will insist that the term "consummate the marriage" means the completion of the 'nikah' ceremony, not sex. This is in spite of the Abu-Dawud hadith Vol. 2, No. 2116 translation that explicitly states 'intercourse' . Be that as it may, does 'consummate the marriage' mean sex? Here is proof that it does. In
Sahih Bukhari, vol. 7, No. 64, the root word used is "dakhala". From the Hans-Wehr Arabic-English
Dictionary:
to enter, to pierce, to penetrate, to consummate the marriage, cohabit, sleep with a woman.Hans-Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary, P. 273But how do we know that at the age of nine Aisha was still pre-pubescent? Here is the evidence from Sunan Abu-Dawud, Vol. 3, No. 4914 (This hadith is also repeated in Sunan Nasa’i):
SummaryOn the authority of Aisha (RA), that she said: The Messenger of Allah (SAW) returned from the battle of Tabook or Khaibar (the narrator of the hadith was in doubt about whether he was told "Tabook or Khaibar."). There was a curtain covering her 'sahwah' (chamber or small room in front of the house). The wind blew a side of the curtain and uncovered Aisha's dolls. He (SAW) said: What is this, O Aisha? She said: My dolls. The he (SAW) saw amongst them a horse with two wings from scraps of cloth. He (SAW) said: What is this which I see amongst them (amongst the dolls)? She said: A horse. He asked: What is upon it? She said: Two wings. He (SAW) asked (in astonishment): A horse with two wings? She said: Didn't you hear that Sulaiman (Solomon - AS) had horses with wings? She said: Then he (SAW) laughed until I saw his molar teeth.[1]
- In the first section, it was shown that in Islam, doll-playing girls are pre-pubescent according to the doll-playing exegesis of Ibn Hajar and Islamic laws and customs.
- In the second section it was shown, using Ibn Hajar's doll-playing exegesis that Aisha remained a pre-pubescent child when she was married and had sexual intercourse with Muhammad.
- In the third section it was shown that Aisha remained pre-pubescent as late as 6 or 7 years after her marriage to Muhammad.
Does Muhammad meet all the criteria needed to be classed a Pedophile?
Criteria A: Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
Yes, Muhammad had sexual relations with a pre-pubescent child over a prolonged period - likely to have been at least 6 to 7 years.
Criteria B: The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
Yes, Muhammad had acted on his sexual urges - as demonstrated by Tabari IX:131 and various other Bukhari ahadith that state that consummation had taken place at the age of nine when it had been established that Aisha had not reached puberty until she was at least 14 years of age.
Criteria C: The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Yes, Muhammad was 54 years old while Aisha was only 9 years old at the time of sexual intercourse.
Therefore, even according to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia - the DSM-IV-TR - Prophet Muhammad would be found guilty of pedophilia with a 6year old child as charged.
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tarisingh, on 20 May 2015 - 15:19, said:
I have felt from your thread is that you are concerned more about Hindutva, RSS
1699 = Absolutely bir'ay I'm 100% concerned about the Hindutva opponents of the Sikh Panth (whose anti-Sikh viewpoint tallies identically with yours by the way) trying to make us Sikhs be left as a powerless minority of the Punjab population by the 2021 census as it would have huge negative implications for the Sikh Panth going forward.
Let me politely ask you, are you a Sikh or a chamar?
1699 = I am 100% Sikh and Sikh only. I do not believe in biraderi affiliation as you do. I believe Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj was correct in stating that all biraderi affiliations and matrimonial apartheid need to be smashed with only one united Sangat Gurdwara in each pind.
1699 = But I understand that you are a Jatt who wishes to marry a Jatt spouse only (in other words ideologically you stand shoulder to shoulder with the Hindutva apartheid activists of Dera Ballan in terms of support for matrimonial apartheid).
Because from your discussion, it smells of the plan to pollute Sikhi
1699 = An interesting and incendiary usage of the word "pollute" Tari as that is the one word that Hinduism's lies about caste discrimination are primarily built upon.
with those who call Ravidass as Guru, bring them into Sikhi fold and create such a mess that Sikhi is destroyed from inside
1699 = How exactly would Sikhi be supposedly "destroyed" in your words by the Sikh Panth potentially becoming 100million strong within potentially a 16year time frame? The Truth of Sikhi is indestructible. No matter what any outside power tries, Truth cannot be destroyed. However, undoubtedly we as a Panth can do things the hard way or the easy way. We can (as you want us to) be a powerless minority, unable to protect ourselves and unable to meaningfully help others on a global scale. Or we can put the Khalsa Panth on the map through greater number thereby leading to a bigger Khalsa Fauj more ready and able to fight for Sarbat da Bhala. By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, in the 35 years since Damdami Taksal's fateful decision to support Congress (Indira) in the 1980 elections in which she regained power, the Panth has to all intents and purposes been destroyed from within via biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, female infanticide, drugs, alcohol, cancer and poverty.
Since they would already be in, mess is there and there goes our Sikhi down the drain.
1699 = How weak is your Sikhi that you would let the actions of others flush it down the drain for you? The state of our Panth strengthens via a greater population of the Sikh Panth. Your aim of reducing the Sikh population to as small a number as possible (as done by the SGPC in the last 70years) has cut the links of arguably 75million plus erstwhile Sikhs away from the Panth and converted them into new Hindu's ripe for manipulation as part of the Hindutva vote bank.
So you want all these * followers in and turn SIkhi upside down?
1699 = All those who have satkaar for Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj and Dhan Dhan Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj (as two great examples of those that wrote Gurbani within Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj) are already Sikhs. Sikhi will never be turned upside down by anybody as Gurmat is eternal Truth. It was people like yourself who pushed Dr Ambedkar away from Sikhi. In fact a greater population strength for a new enlarged Sikh Panth will help Sikhi actively expand fast throughout India and subsequently globally.
Destroy all its concepts and loose everything gained over 3 centuries and destroy everything
1699 = Gurmat cannot be destroyed. Truth cannot be destroyed. Sikhi cannot be destroyed. However, people like yourself have done a brilliant job in destroying and reducing the Sikh Panth's population and making our Panth a sitting duck for Genocide and becoming a perpetual victim of state terrorism.
by striking at its core by diluting it and making another guru.
1699 = Mere use of the honorary Sanskrit word for a teacher (by others) will not destroy Sikhi. The historical fact of GurGaddi having been passed from one divine light to another (as a continuation of the same jyot) ten times is undeniable and will not change by virtue of the Sikh Panth becoming bigger in population.
Don't be surprised that when we have two symbols, two jaikaras, two granths (three actually), two traditions.
1699 = Sikhi has various samparda's and obviously certain alcohol and bhang-using Nihangs and Taksali's already bow before three granths. There can be Unity in Diversity. Hinduism has multiple schools of thought. Has it been destroyed as a consequence; no - as Hinduism is only too ready to welcome the millions of Sikhs that you and others like you were and are happy to expel from the Sikh Panth. So Tari do you even advocate kicking out Taksali's, Nirmale, Udasi's and Nihangs out of the Sikh Panth for bowing to three granths and for them doing Havans etc?
This is called Hindutva agenda.
1699 = That's exactly what I'm saying Tari. Everything that you Tari have said on this thread is exactly what the Hindutva agenda wants. They want a smaller and smaller Sikh population. They want for Sikhs to become a demographic irrelavance (exactly as you do). They want for 5 to 6 million current Punjabi-speaking Sikhs to leave Sikhi so that by the time of the 2021 Punjab census we Sikhs are a minority. It beggars belief as to why you support them in this agenda (unless you were a closet Hindu yourself).
I know you may feel bad in what I am saying. But please tell me how else what you are saying can be interpreted?
1699 = If I thought there was a chance you were actually a Sikh then I would certainly feel disappointed as to how the Hindutva agenda has naive Sikhs doing its dirty work for them.
What surprises me is that you support those who want to go out of the bounds of Sikh Mariada
1699 = Yes because even though Damdami Taksal and Nihangs have Sanatan and Vedic leaning ideologies and do not accept mainstream Sikh Maryada, I recognise them as integral members of the Sikh Panth even though I do not subscribe to their schools of thought.
and when I say that "let's not dilute Sikhi", you complain that we are falling into hands of RSS or Hindutva agenda. How could it be so?
1699 = Absolutely. Because via your failed method (as employed by the SGPC in the last 70 years and particularly so in the last 35years) the Sikh population and Panth has come under unprecedented attack and can visibly be seen as unable to defend itself or assist others on a global scale. The final Hindutva push (that you wholeheartedly support Tari) is to exclude 5 to 6 million current Punjabi-speaking Sikhs of leatherworking and Mazhabi ancestries out of Sikhi (and into Hinduism) so that by the 2021 Punjab census we Sikhs are in a minority. You support the Hindutva agenda 100% in this respect as evidenced by your words in this thread. I oppose Hindutva vehemently and strongly advocate that we the Sikh Panth can successfully roll back the Hindutva agenda against our Panth by suddenly including anybody and everybody with any degree of Satkaar for Gurbani within the ranks of the Sikh Panth so that the Sikh Panth becomes an unstoppable force for global good and Sarbat da Bhala.
Do we need Ravidassias, Radhasoamis, Kabirpantias, Noormehlias now?
1699 = No in fact if we had them on board since the 1940's no such tragic events like June 1984 would have happened. If the Sikh Panth had a population of 100 million back in 1984 (bearing in mind that Ravidassia, Kabirpanthi's, Sanatani's, Rangrete comprise around 60 to 70 million just in Uttar Pradesh) then Indira wouldn't have dared fire a single bullet in our direction let alone the Nehru-Gandhi empire daring to orchestrate the Genocide they did against us. With a 100million strong population in 1984 it wouldn't have taken our soorme like Bhai Beant Singh, Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Kehar Singh to dispense justice as even a single bullet fired at our Panth would have consequently led to Indira being hunted down like the rat she was and shot dead immediately in the streets in response long before June 1984 in the way dictators like Gaddafi met their fate (at the hands of exactly the historic Sikh population ancestries we have stupidly and unwittingly estranged on behalf of Hindutva forces).
How come you want to assimilate all these people when they don't even care about Sikh Mariada and Sikh Gurus?
1699 = Because if the Sikh Panth doesn't make them feel welcome then our Hindutva opponents will obviously manipulate and abuse them thereby strengthening Hindutva's stranglehold upon India.
I have merely said that Ravidass followers are not Sikhs. When did Ravidassia become Sikhs?
1699 = All those of a leatherworking ancestry in India (numbering 50 million) are natural born Sikhs. When Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj has expressed the truth of Sikhi in Gurbani, how can they logically be anything but?
When did people who are bent of making another Guru become Sikhs?
1699 = Sikh means learner in its simplest sense. Guru simply means teacher (outside the frame of GurGaddi and excluding reference to Akaal Purakh). Dera Ballan leaders are not Sikhs but Hindu Chamar apartheid-activist slaves on behalf of their Hindutva masters.
Why is your focus on Ravidass followers only?
1699 = Not at all (though I understand that you wish to defend Dera Ballan as you have ably and repeatedly done on this thread). I am saying we should strive to welcome and include all the hundreds of millions of so-called lower caste non-Punjabi's in India as natural born members of the Sikh Panth. Only by interaction and exposure to Gurmat will they experience equality and justice and subsequently expand the ranks of the Khalsa Panth in order to serve others less fortunate for the purposes of Sarbat Da Bhala.
Are you a chamar or a SIkh?
1699 = I am a Sikh and only a Sikh. You are the pro-biraderi Jatt who advocates marrying only a Jatt spouse and advocates the pro-Hindutva pro-apartheid pro-Ballan agenda along with allied concepts such as "pollution".
when you are Sikh, Khalsa, you are not some Ravidassia or Noormahlia, aur Saudha Saadh chela.
1699 = Who has ever said anything about the Khalsa Panth being anything other than niyara? Not me. I am merely saying bir'ay that we should engage with innocent shardaloo's of the Dera's at Ballan, Sirsa and Noormehal to re-admit these erstwhile Sikhs back into the Panth. You on the other hand want to see bigger Dera populations and a smaller Sikh population (so that a decreasing number of Khalsa arise year on year from a declining population pool).
What Dera Ballan does is their business.
1699 = No. It's my business. And every Sikh who cares about the future of the Panth considers it their business. Only Hindu's would say that what Dera Ballan they do is their business and good luck to them (as you have said on this thread). When a false Hindutva apartheid ideology removes my (Jagat) Guru Sahib from Gurdwara's (turning Gurdwara's into apartheid-mandirs) and seeks to tear away Sikhs of a certain ancestry away from the Sikh Panth and convert them into Hindu apartheid-activist slaves and a pliant vote bank for the Hindutva agenda then you bet my blood is boiling as I'm a Sikh!
Why do we Sikhs want to snatch any title forcibly from someone when we already have a tile of "Sikh" or "Khalsa"?
1699 = We are Sikh and that will never change. The Khalsa Panth will remain niyara. But integral demographic components of the Sikh Panth will not be torn away from us by appropriation of our terms. For example, if tomorrow Badal is espoused as the role model for Akali Lehar Sikhs we cannot allow our historic terms of respect be hijacked by those who wish the Sikh Panth harm. Thus terms stolen from the collective pride of the whole Panth in recent years like Ravidassia and Ramgarhia should indeed be reclaimed back from Hindutva apartheid activists. When terrorist incidents are falsely blamed on the Khalsa Panth will you idly sit back and let others define such a niyara Panth so wrongly?
Tomorrow you would say Radhasoami title can't be used by Gurinder Singh Dhillon's chela? Or something more in future.
1699 = Exactly the way to eradicate parasites like Dhillon is to re-assimilate his followers back into the Sikh Panth - doing whatever it takes to succeed in that objective including not worrying about semantics when the greater long term good and strength of the Panth is at stake.
Following your line of thought, we should go ahead and assimilate all Deras where chamars, mazhabis go and have their own gurus or go to all deras and make everybody a Sikh
1699 = That's exactly what I'm saying. We should strive to re-admit lost Sikhs back into the Panth and away from the evil arms of Hinduism in which Hindutva forces and those like yourself have helped pushed these innocent followers. That's common sense. How else will Khalsa Raj ever be global for Sarbat da Bhala?
And once they get in, they turn Sikhi upside down because they are in majority and we sit on sidelines watching everything destroyed from inside out.
1699 = Your words echo those who in the 1940's and via 1950 Maryada succeeded at excluding possibly close to a hundred million non-Punjabi sehajdhari Sikhs from the Panth. Instead of visualising a way for the Khalsa Panth to grow for the collective good of humanity you're too worried about being a minority. Funnily enough the Arabs from Saudi Arabia and so-called upper caste minority that controls Hindutva have done just fine as the type of minorities people like you are so scared of contemplating.
Ravidassia people will NEVER be SIkh
1699 = To the contrary I strongly believe that all those of a leatherworking ancestry in India (50 million) are Sikhs and we should accelerate building bridges with our brethren as such.
and SIKHS will never be Ravidassia people.
1699 = To the contrary, ONLY Sikhs believe in the teachings of Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj whereas Hindutva-paid apartheid-activists like Dera Ballan do not.
Sikh can only be Sikh (Sehajdhari or Amritdhari).
1699 = Sikhs are only Sikhs. It is only those like yourself who have a caste affiliation such as Jatt or Chamar who wish the Sikh population to become smaller whilst applauding those apartheid activists that wish to reduce the Sikh population so as to leave it as a minority of the Punjab population by 2021 census. Thus leaving our Sikh Panth in a precarious position given the ongoing dangers of female infanticide, illiteracy, poverty, biraderi, drugs, cancer and alcohol (which many do not seem to appreciate the power of numbers in tackling). True Sikhs and Das want to see a bigger Khalsa Panth for global seva and Sarbat da Bhala. But you Tari Ji want to see a weaker and smaller Khalsa Panth so that we Sikhs cannot serve the poor and needy on a global scale as we should be doing (but have not been able to due to our lack of numbers).
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Ex-Muslim Ali Sina's Challenge to Islam which not a single Muslim has managed to refute:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8
If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay
$50,000 U.S. dollars
to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad.
I accuse the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Muhammad of being:
I have debated with many Muslims. Their defense of Islam can be summarized in two categories:
- Denial of the authenticity of Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, a leader of the Submitters)
- Moral relativism and situational ethics, e.g., “In those days, pedophilia, assassination, rape, raid, pillage, massacre and lying, were common practices, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else was doing.” Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim I do not have any basis to condemn Muhammad. In other words, who can say what is good and what is evil? That is up to the messenger of God to decide. (Example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)
These are the main two arguments that Muslims present in defense of Islam. Any rational person can see they are logical fallacies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM
These charges are irrefutable. You simply can't disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession. You can't acquit a criminal after he has confessed, unless you plead insanity, which is my point.
Muslims often ask: "Who will judge whether or not an attempt to disprove your accusations against Muhammad and Islam, was successful?" The readers will be the jury. It is not difficult to see which side is right once both arguments are presented without one side fearing the other. I will publish the debates in this site. My opponents are also encouraged to publish them in any Islamic site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj24Oz1MuCE
Please note that I will not accept face to face debates. The debates must be in writing.
Edit 2007/07/29
The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn't been met yet. See the debates I had with Muslims. Also see the pathetic attempt of some Muslims trying to refute me here , here, here and here. Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Where are the scholars of Islam? Why such an important task is left to a bunch of amateurs who actually do more damage to Islam? Isn't it time that the real scholars come forth and refute my charges?
The truth is that several of the people that debated me were real scholars, such as the eminent Pakistani scholar Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and his disciple Dr. Khalid Zaheer. This debate is a must read and is available for download. Dr. Zaheer is a learned man, a moderate Muslim and a good human being. I have utmost respect for him.
As of this date (2007), I will no longer debate with people who want to debate anonymously. I only debate with reputable scholars. I made this decision because often, Muslims moved by their faith and zealotry, but with little knowledge of Islam, challenge me to debate. They rehash the same tried and refuted arguments that bore everyone and disappear. Then, other Muslims, either accuse me of fabricating those debates or pooh-pooh my opponents for not being scholars.
As of this day, I am also doubling the reward. If you are not a reputable scholar, you can still win the prize. All you have to do is persuade a scholar to debate with me. If he (she) disproves my charges or can prove that Muhammad was a prophet of God, both you and he (she) will be rewarded $50,000 dollars each. This is to encourage you to write to your admired scholar and convince them that Islam is in danger and that it is their duty to defend it. Once you write to invite someone, please CC a copy to us for announcing the invitation. Our email is faithfreedom2 (at) gmail.com
Yes, Islam is in grave danger. Never, since its inception, Islam has faced a threat as serious as this. Today, millions of ex-Muslims are questioning the claimed truth of Islam, can make their criticisms heard worldwide, and unlike before, not fear for their lives. As long as these questions are not answered, this trend is only bound to continue, until the trickle becomes a torrent and the fall of Islam becomes obvious. In the past, the critics of Islam briefly shined like lamps in darkness, only to be put out by winds of persecution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCz9MXmcsw
What is happening today can be likened to the break of the dawn. Darkness has no chance in front of this much light. Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam like never before. A spiritual and intellectual revolution is underway. This is the century of enlightenment of the benighted Muslims. The giant is finally awakening. The days of Islam are numbered. This demon of hate and ignorance will be slain by the hands of its own primary victims. The unity of mankind and the world peace are around the corner.
Please advertise this challenge. Every Muslim must see it. This is like throwing water on their fire. Nothing will dampen their zeal more than the realization that among a billion Muslims there is not a single scholar who can prove the wild claims of Muhammad, nor acquit him of these grave charges. This unmet challenge has a sobering effect on them. They can make any excuse, such as, I am not worth their response, that there have been greater men than me who opposed Islam, or that I have been refuted already, but they will not be able to fool themselves. The more this challenge is circulated, the more Muslims will be forced to remain silent and doubt Islam. Do not undermine the psychological effect of this impossible challenge.
Sincerely
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SadSingh bro ur totally right.
Bhang and alcohol using nangs have been irrelavant for over a 100years now since when they were working on behalf of Hindu Mahants + their British Empire handlers to corrupt all our Gurdwara's until the Akali Singh Sabha Lehar of that time kicked them out.
Santa Sin put the nail in the coffin of the legacy of the name Budha Dal by working for Indira Gandhi making them irrelavant to the present.
Same thing with DamDami Taksal the only samparda that openly and actively campaigned for Indira Gandhi and Congress in the 1980 elections leading to Indira Gandhi gaining the prime ministership and thereby allowing her to begin her Genocide against Sikhs.
All our mahaan shaheeds of June 1984 and greats like Justice Khalra and Bhai Beant Singh, Bhai Satwant Singh all said that only the Sikh Panth matters and fake labels attached to samparda, jatha, biraderi all need to destroyed so that are one united Sikh Panth
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Jagsaw is the same dude who said he enjoyed Pakistani hospitality in Pakistani Punjab.
The same country Pakistan that did the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs.
The 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs that was twenty times worse in terms of the impact it had on Sikhs compared to the Congress Genocide of the 1980's but to Jagsaw Khan none of that mattered while he enjoyed himself in Pakistan.
So if anybody has a memory problem its Jagsaw (formerly known as West London Khan on this site) when he previously defended Pakistani pedophile groomers that were targetting Sikh girls in the 21st century + he works hard to erase the memory of the 1947 Genocide, so that more Sikhs can visit Pakistan like Jews visit Auschwitz + Belsen.
But none of that matters to Jagsaw as the Pakistani High Commission pay him a couple of Pakistani rupees to be their official mouthpiece on this site. He attacks+blames all Hindu's as a collective as he doesn't want them to become Sikh.
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I thought Ali Sina, the former Muslim, had already given the biggest answer to Muslims.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8
When the perfect role model Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) committed pedophilia, owned slaves, sold children into slavery for financial profit, raped non-muslim women in his lifetime then obviously his believers will copy his example.
http://www.thereligi...ds-sex-life.htm
The Holy Quran supports terrorism, slavery, racism, sexism, pedophilia in its verses as we can clearly see.
Question:
Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?
Summary Answer:
The Quran (which was narrated by Muhammad) refers to Muhammad's life as "as beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (68:4). Yet, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life (as immortalized in the Quran) the prophet of Islam had sex with just about anyone he pleased.
Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).
Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son's wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.
So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.
The Qur'an:
Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.
Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed." No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?
Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.
Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.
Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind. Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. If his wives objected then "it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."
Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those slaves whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.
From the Hadith:
Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given. Other references are Sahih Bukhari 3896, 5158 and 3311.
Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.
Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).
Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.
Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.
Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.
Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.
Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.
Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "
Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).
Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.
Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.
Tabari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer." Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad (he accepted).
Additional Notes:
Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's consummation of his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine years of age. The thought of a 53-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile.
Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age.
The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending on how it is defined. Technically, Muhammad did have a sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the youngest of his twelve wives. Zaynab was in her 30's when she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet. We don't know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves. They may or may not have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in speculating.
Prior to the medical advances of the last century, marriage occurred at a much younger age across all societies. When life expectancy was in the mid 20's (or lower), it made no sense to wait until 19 to start having children; otherwise, one ran the risk of not being around to raise them. In short, childhood as we know it was abbreviated by the reality of the times.
Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship. Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - thus entering into "womanhood." It is unlikely that a pedophile would be concerned about this.
On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) relates rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to "those too who have not had their courses," meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate. (In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, "a real man is one who marries an actual, grown woman"... but that's just us).
Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world.
When it comes to child marriage, contemporary clerics warn fellow Muslims against succumbing to the disapproval of the Christian West: "It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”
The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older). In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during "intercourse".
Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (number 23672), an imam answers this question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs."
A prominent member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious council said in 2012 that girls can be married "even if they are in the cradle," then went on to explain that intercourse may occur whenever "they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the man."
Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well. This disappointing pattern is very much at odds with the sort of sexual discipline that one might expect of a true "prophet of God."
Muhammad's pursuit of Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son is almost as tough for Muslims to explain. This is because it not only raises a similar question of moral character, but also casts suspicion on whether his so-called prophecies were really divine revelation or dictates of personal convenience. According to one biographer, even Aisha appears to be somewhat doubtful of Muhammad's claim that Allah commanded him to marry Zaynab, wryly remarking, "Truly Allah seems to be very quick in fulfilling your prayers."
So controversial was Muhammad's desire to marry his adopted son's wife that he had to justify it with a stern pronouncement from Allah on the very institution of adoption, which has had tragic consequences to this day. Verses 33:4-5 are widely interpreted to imply that Islam is against adoption, meaning that an untold number of children in the Islamic world have been needlessly orphaned - all because Muhammad's lustful desires for a married woman went beyond even what the other six wives that he possessed at the time and a multitude of slaves could satisfy.
Some Muslims deny that Muhammad was married to more than four women at a time, merely on the basis that the Qur'an only gives permission for marrying four. Unfortunately, Muslims historians disagree. Only one of Muhammad's last eleven wives died before him (Zaynab bint Khuzayma). The rest outlived him by many years.
Muhammad forbade his ten widows from remarrying, even making sure that this "divine" order was forever preserved in the eternal word of Allah - Qur'an (33:53). To add insult to injury, they were all summarily disinherited from Muhammad's estate by his successor (courtesy of another divine order "given" to Abu Bakr from Allah).
Further Reading: Was Muhammad a Pedophile?
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^ 8963 bro Sant Ji said it at a time when they actually believed in DDT ideology before 1984.
Just like in 1980 when DamDami Taksal openly and actively campaigned for Indira Gandhi and Congress in the elections that led to Indira being elected, which in turn led to the beginning of Indira Gandhi's Genocide against Sikhs.
But by June 1984 Sant Ji was the biggest existential threat to Indira Gandhi after abandoning DDT to serve the Panth.
Similarly by June 1984 Sant Ji and all our mahaan shaheeds had rejected all these anti-Gurmat samparda's.
All our mahaan shaheeds pledged their life only for the Sikh Panth and Sarbat da Bhala.
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Instead of closing the mosques they should just present them with the Ali Sina challenge
Prophet Muhammad: An open Pedophile
Prophet Muhammad at the age of 51 “married” Aisha when she was six years old.
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Muslim 8. 3310
Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 64
Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Bukhari 7. 62. 65Narrated 'Ursa:The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 88
Arab year is lunar, which is shorter than solar year. In solar years, Aisha was 8 years 9 months old when Muhammad sexually consummated his marriage with her. Consummate? This is a nice way to say raped her. According to Muslims, a woman must consent to her marriage or the marriage is null. How can a 6-years old child consent to her marriage? Without a consent, how can we call this relationship between a 51 years old man and a 6-years old child marriage?
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is not true. The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." Bukhari 7.62.18
Even though Abu Bakr was fool enough to let Prophet Muhammad have sex with his little daughter, that marriage was invaled, because the only person who should have given consent was a minor. Aisha was unaware of what was going on and was surprised when Prophet Muhammad pulled down his pants and invited her to sit on his lap. She Narrated:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon. Bukhari 7. 62. 90
Aisha was playing with dolls like any other 8 year old child would do. She was not ready for marriage and had no understanding of it.
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Bukhari 8. 73.151Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Bukhari 5.234Having sexual feelings for small children is called pedophilia. According to Ayatollah Montazeri, the most revered Shiite cleric of Iran , the “marriage” of Muhammad and Aisha was a political maneuver to placate the enemies of Islam. He wrote: The reason for this marriage was that the Prophet was under the intense pressure by his enemies like Abu Lahab and Abu Jahl and was completely dependant of the protection of other tribes. Abu Bakr had a lot of tribal influence. And rejecting his offer, in those conditions, for the Prophet was not prudent. In reality this marriage was symbolic and not to satisfy his sexual instinct, because, as a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl.
This is nonsense. Abu Bakr was already a devout follower of Muhammad and his confidant. Abu Lahab and Abul Hakam (whom Muhammad derogatorily called Abu Jahl, father of ignorance) had nothing to do with Abu Bakr. How can having sex with a child placate one's enemies? Assuming this ridiculous excuse is true, what about Aisha? Was she only a pawn for Muhammad’s political maneuvers?
In one thing the Grand Ayatollah is right. As a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl, unless he is a pedophile.
The Islamocritic scholar, Abul Kasem, has demonstrated that in Islam there is actually no age limit for marrying a child. He found the following hadith which shows a Muslim man can marry an infant. However should one of his adult wives suckle that infant both wives become haram to him.
Case of one of two wives suckling the other-If a man marry an infant and an adult and the latter should give milk to the former, both wives become prohibited with respect to that man [their husband], because if they were to continue united in marriage to him, it would imply the propriety of joint cohabitation with the foster-mother and her foster-daughter, which is prohibited, in the same manner as joint cohabitation with a natural mother and daughter-It is to be observed on this occasion, that if the husband should not have had carnal connexion with the adult wife, she is not entitled to any dower whatever, because the separation has proceeded from her, before consummation :-but the infant has a claim to her half dower. [Hedaya Vol. I Book III, page 71 (Ref. 6)]
Abul Kasem also quoted the story of Umar marrying a child just four or five years old.
Umme Kulthum was 4 or 5 years old when Umar married her. This child was his most favourite wife (just like prophet Mohammad). There is a great controversy about the identity of this child bride of Umar. Many scholars claim that she was the daughter of Ali and Fatima. Others say that Umme Kulthum was the posthumous daughter of Abu Bakar and Habiba. Abu Bakar died (13 A.H.) a few months before Umme Kulthum was born. She was the half sister of Aisha. So, Umar asked Aisha for the hand of Umme Kulthum when she (Umme Kulthum) was only 4 - 5 years old. Aisha agreed and Umar and Umme Kulthum got married.
According to Abul Kasem’s calculations, Umar was 56 years old when he married this little girl. Why would he not wait for Umme Kulthum to reach the age of nine? Shouldn’t Umar follow the sunna (example) of his prophet? The answer is that Prophet Muhammad did not set any limits for child marriage. Ummar must have remembered when Prophet Muhammad expressed his desire to marry a crawling baby before death overtook him. This story is reported by Ibn Ishac, the most authentic biographer of Muhammad. Most other biographies are based on this monumental work of Ibn Ishak/Ibn Hisham
(Suhayli, ii.79: In the riwaya of Yunus I.I recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu’l-Fadl) when she was baby crawling before him and said, ‘If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.’ But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. Abdu’l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubaba….(Ref.3, page 311)
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^ "SinghSoorma" is the Hindu Troll aka tarisingh that dissed Sant Ji + called Sikhs low caste
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I never understood why your username was SYB? Were you registering to this forum to quickly and all the other names were taken?
Haha what it was bro there was this Muslim troll here dissing Sikhs so i chose the handle when I stopped lurking.
SYB Ji,
The relatively recent & small cases of Jatha Singh's who allow this practice are as rare as Giant Pandas!
InderjitS Veer Ji obviously nangs and taksal can't stand women being in Panj Pyare but look at their track record.
Sant Sin supporting Indira in 1984 and onwards. Nangs supporting the Hindu Mahants in the 1920's.
DamDami Taksal campaigning for Indira Gandhi and Congress in the 1980 elections that led to her gaining power.
But AKJ, Missionaries + Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale give full equality to women just like Guru Sahib always have.
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^ Ok Jaco bro explain this (why do DDT have a rehraas at odds with Guru Gobind Singh Ji?):
Guru Gobind Singh started the taksal (nothing to do with DDT) at Takht Sri DamDama Sahib
Which u seem to be getting confused by bro as DamDami Taksal play upon the name to get credibility.
This is DamDami Taksal rehraas
ਦੋਹਰਾ॥
ਰਾਮ ਕਥਾ ਜੁਗ ਜੁਗ ਅਟਲ ਸਭ ਕੋਈ ਭਾਖਤ ਨੇਤ॥
ਸੁਰਗ ਬਾਸ ਰਘੁਬਰ ਕਰਾ ਸਗਰੀ ਪੁਰੀ ਸਮੇਤ॥1॥
ਚੌਪਈ॥
ਜੋ ਇਹ ਕਥਾ ਸੁਨੈ ਅਰੁ ਗਾਵੈ॥
ਦੂਖ ਪਾਪ ਤਿਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਨਾ ਆਵੈ॥
ਬਿਸਨ ਭਗਤ ਕੀ ਏ ਫਲ ਹੋਈ॥
ਆਧਿ ਬਯਾਧਿ ਛ੍ਵੈ ਸਕੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ॥1॥
(in Roman transliteration):
Dohraa
Raam kathaa jug jug atal, sabh koee bahkhat nayt.
Surg baas raghubar karaa, sagri puree samay. 1
Chaupai
Jo ih kathaa sunai aur gaavai.
Dookh paap tih nikat naa aavai.
Bisan bhagat kee ih phal ho-ee.
Aaadhi byadhi chhvai sakai naa ko-ee. 1
(English translation): Dohra
The story of Ram will remain known through Ages and all shall ever narrate it.
Raghubar (Ram) went to heavens and took his entire city with him.
(So, the taksal worships Ram):
Dohra
Those who will listen to or sing this (Ram’s) story;
sufferings and sins will not come near him.
This will be the fruit (profit) of the meditation upon the name of Vsihnu.
No disease or illness will be able to touch him. 1
(So, the taksal worships Vishnu also):
Giani Sunder Singh (1883-1930) of Bhinder Kalan village (in Firozpur district) was the founder of modern day Damdami Taksal.
Sunder Singh Ji was known as ‘Sri Maan 108 Giani Sunder Singh Nirmala’; he was a student of Pandit Jawala Das Udasi
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Have you even been on the DDT website? The don't even show the current one because that's disputed within the Taksal.
Bro that lineage is made up by some Taksali fan boy in the West. The dude doesn't even realise that Bishen Singh Muralewale were a Sant that belonged to the Sikh Panth not DDT. Sant Bishen Singh Ji was born as a Hindu but became a Gursikh but had nothing to do with DDT and they weren't even known as Bhindranwale. DDT have nothing to with Guru Gobind Singh Ji. That's like missionaries saying Guru Nanak Dev Ji was the first missionary and the first mukhi of Gurmat Gian.
First Jathedar being Baba Deep Singh Ji.
Damdami Taksal wasn't started by Sant Sunder Singh Ji.
Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji fought to the very end. Don't insult Baba Deep Singh Ji by falsely associating them with the same DamDami Taksal that campaigned for Indira Gandhi and Congress in the 1980 elections.
Sant ji is in Chardikala
Sant Jarnail Singh ji called Baba ji, Vaheguru and Baba ji called Sant Jarnail Singh ji, Vaheguru.
Two Brahmgyanis lead the Khalsa Panth to victory.
I partly respect Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala Ji that yes he was the only one who opposed DamDami Taksal support for Indira Gandhi and Congress in the 1980 elections that crooks like Dhumma pushed together with Zail Sin.
That doesn't mean I agree with Bhai Sahib Ajnala on everything.
For example, Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala also says Sant Ji are alive in 2015 living in a cave and Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala believes Banda Singh Bahadur Ji is living in a cave near Kiratpur Sahib. I don't agree with these bogus stories. Sant Ji abandoned all the anti-Gurmat beliefs of DamDami Taksal by June 1984 and pledged themself solely to the Khalsa Panth and Sarbat da Bhala.
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Can I just ask one thing? Where did sant Jarnail Singh ji object to woman being in the Panj Pyare? this is the first time im hearing about this so im interested in this. I don't even see how this is possible. Guru ji asked for a head in-front of an open crowd. This was both filled with Men and Woman. The Panj Pyare represent the five virtues that we as sikhs should incorporate into our lives. Sikhs, as in both man and woman who follow Sikhism. Their physical forms were not important, it's what they represent, what they did and what they passed onto us that should be important.
Sant Ji did not object to women being in Panj Pyare bro.
Remember that by June 1984 Sant Ji had rejected all the anti-Gurmat beliefs that DamDami Taksal held and hold under Dhumma today. The old video of Sant Ji objecting is from a time when DamDami Taksal supported Indira Gandhi and Congress in the 1980 elections that helped Indira Gandhi gain power in India and set in chain the events that enabled her to begin Genocide against Sikhs.
So these youtube video's are circulated by those who wish to destroy Sant Ji's legacy.
Y'know the types that claim Sant Ji are alive and well in 2015 busy living their daily life somewhere.
Bhai Randhir Ji said it was pure bahmanwaad not to allow women in Punj Pyare (from AKJ Singhs that DDT label as bemukhs+nastiks). DamDami Taksal are well known that they didn't even allow Mazhabi Sikhs Amrit in the 1920's. The same was the case with Santa Sin's Budha Dal who supported Hindu Mahants in the 1920's + then started openly supporting Indira Gandhi in the 1980's after DDT ditched her when the agenda of Indira Gandhi had become clear.
Waheguru ji ka KhalsaWaheguru ji ki Fateh
So in 1699 when Guru Gobind Singh jee asked for a head and our beloved Panj Pyare stood up and went to Guru Sahib one by one... had one of the bibi's stood up, do we think Guru Sahib would have stopped the bibi?
Guru Sahib gave equality to both genders... Guru Sahib taught social reforms all around India and other parts of the world... during those times... being a female was tough... you were not given equal rights.. you were not given education... you were sold and bought like vegetables... you had to burn yourself in the fire if your husband dies before you... you were not even allowed to attend temple or Mosque or be in the same place as men... but Guru Sahib brought equality.Guru Sahib taught us that there is no spiritual difference between men and women.Guru Sahib said in Asa ki waar so kyo manda aakhiye... so if Guru Sahib taught us all these things.. why would HE tell us not to include Bibiyan in Panj Pyare... why would HE tell us that Bibiyan are not allowed to do keertan... Har Jas keertan... in Harmandir Sahib... why would Guru Sahib tell His Gurmukh pyare that only Singhs can do sewa... I am sure our beloved Gurmukh pyares.... all sants and Brahmgyani... and every Gurmukh soul that has ever been or that is still here never said that Singhniyas cant be part of Panj pyare or any other Pantic sewa... it is DamDami Taksal who interpret things according to their manmat.Tu samrath vada
meri matt thori raam
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh...
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Gurbani states that impurity is of the mind (not the body).
Bhagat Kabir Ji totally destroys the fake bahmanwaad sakhi's put out there by RSS + Badal + Hari Randhawa
found the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_B4xaEo9Y
(RSS/Badal/Randhawa point about women's impurity refuted)
Guru Gobind SIngh ji had Mata Bhag Kaur as his personal Bodyguard does this mean she was excused duties at that time...if one followed the line of argument it sounds as if he is saying a woman in that state should not come to Guruji darbar or do matha tek ...so wrong ...
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What would you know anyways, just look at your username, how disrespectful! Did you forget our beloved Sheikh Farid?
SYB just means dance in ebonics but i wudn't expect a Hindu caste system supporter like u to know that.
Baba Farid Ji wrote Gurbani as the great Sikh they were and i never forget their contribution to Sikhi.
Baba Farid condemned all the lies that Islam + Hinduism are famous for + that u Preeet are known to believe in.
Worship of human beings like Krishna who had multiple women + slave-owning pedophile terrorists like Muhammad was hated by Baba Farid Ji. So don't go claiming (like u are prone to) that Baba Farid Ji was not a Gurmukh Sikh.
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^ lol u still totally failed to show a single shred of evidence to link DDT to Guru Gobind Singh Ji
Guru Sahib does not support corrupt murderers involved in Genocide by campaigning for them in 1980 elections.
Reason being that before Giani Sunder Singh Nirmale set up DDT in the 20th century the teaching was all gotten from Pandit Jwala Das + various other Pandits + Hindu Mahants in charge of Gurdwara's like Patna Sahib back then.
How dare u link Shaheed-e-Qaum Singh Soorma Baba Deep Singh Ji with DDT that supported Indira Gandhi + Congress in 1980 elections and that directly enabled her to gain power to begin her Genocide of the Sikhs.
If u had any knowledge of Punjab other than sitting behind a computer in America u would know that (Talwandi Sabo) Takht Sri Damdama Sahib is in Malwa and 28km south of Bathinda.
Bhinder Kalan Taksal or DDT as they started calling themselves in the 20th century are based 28km north of Amritsar!
Chowk Mehta Taksal (Jatha Bhindran) was the real name.
There are lots of seminaries called Taksal not related to DDT. As Taksal itself simply means a place of learning.
If I set up "Gobind Taksal" tomorrow it won't mean that Guru Gobind Singh Ji set up the new 2015 organisation!
Dude u might be able to lie + falsely link DDT with Guru Sahib but people on the ground, in Punjab know that DDT have absolutely nothing to do with Takht Sri Damdama Sahib historically and the only reason the name DDT was played upon was because Longowal was the jathedar of Takht Sri Damdama Sahib.
You're right that the bigwigs like Dhumma who held all discussions with Zail Sin about DDT's support for Indira Gandhi + Congress in the 1980 elections are indirectly responsible for making thousands of our Panth's naujawaan shaheed. The Panth gives Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala credit that he was one of the voices within DDT at the time who opposed the support for Indira Gandhi + Congress. Unlike cheats like Dhumma, Sant Ji put the Panth 1st + even Sant Ji admitted in hindsight that DDT made a mistake in 1980 because of Zail Sin's allies embedded by Congress inside DDT ignored the viewpoints of Sant Ji, Bhai Amrik Singh + true Gurmukhs who wanted nothing to do with politics.
Your claims have as much credibility as Niddar Sin claiming he is the last Nihang from the lineage of Guru ki ladli fauj.
What's next just because u got a handle called akalifauj you're gonna somehow claim that u got your mandate to be an internet gangster bad boy direct from Akali Phula Singh Ji? Get real dude u have a 1inch toy kirpan on your neck!
You akalifauj even lie that Sant Ji are still alive+well in 2015 living life somewhere in order to tarnish Sant Ji's legacy.
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And where did I say it was allowed with women?
Preeet obviously thinks anal sex is ok because there are sex stories featuring anal sex in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji
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^ Mr Virk, Baba Farid Ji was a (Sufi) Gurmukh + NOT a Muslim (as Baba Farid rejected Islam).
True Sufi's like Baba Farid Ji believed in one God (Allah) but reject Prophet Muhammad as a role model due to his slave trading, pedophilia, terrorism, sexism, rapes, racism and genocides that directed and participated in during his lifetime against innocent non-Muslims.
Baba Farid Ji's criticism of Prophet Muhammad is gaining traction worldwide:
An ex-Muslim called Ali Sina of www.faithfreedom.org has also said he will pay
$5,000,000 U.S. dollars
to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that he has made against Prophet Muhammad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM
Facts prove that the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Prophet Muhammad was:
a narcissist
a misogynist
a rapist
a pedophile
a lecher
a torturer
a mass murderer
a cult leader
an assassin
a terrorist
a looter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8
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