MisterrSingh

Not so much a "sign of the times" but a sign of how weird things are in some places in the world. Btw, a macao is a type of monkey.

7 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

I won’t get into Gurbani references in this post (I will say, for now, there is no mention of Mmd or references to islamic /semetic  stories and characters, save the odd one I may have missed to spot), but what is interesting is the rehitnamas and other 18^th century and 19^th century literature. It’s quite blunt in regards to Islam. Even our Four Kurehits appear more like a direct condemnation of Islamic customs, ie hooka hajamat halalo haram. The complete separation of food, habitation, and family from muslims that our elders practiced right upto partition speaks volumes.

I think we have enough material to formulate a more appropriate approach to Islam and Muslims that won’t involve us holding umbrellas over them and renovating back old mosques. These next gen parcharks have info so readily available on youtbue about the darkness in Islam, it just needs to be understood and disseminated in Punjabi now.

With respect, obscure rehatnamas aren't going to push back against the Islamic tide. Rehatnamas can be ignored, debunked, etc. They're like the hadiths in that respect; they can be repurposed to suit any narrative, or when they're a little more cut and dry they're denounced altogether if they don't suit the narrative. Only in our case, Islamophilic Sikhs will lead the way in denying even valid rehatnamas as Brahmin concoctions or non-divinely inspired writings. Guru Granth Sahib is the benchmark by which Sikh ethics are measured, and on that front as I've mentioned Islam is given a free pass.

To prevent what will inevitably transpire if Indian Sikhs continue this suicidal pro-Islamic agenda, efforts should've kicked into gear at least ten years ago. It should've been a widely agreed policy by the Akal Takhat for ALL paracharaks to contextualise Islamic sentiments expressed in Gurbani. Day in, day out, at ALL the major takhats there should've been presenting Katha focusing on this issue, i.e. keep Muslims and their ways at arm's length in our own pinds.

Instead, even as recently as Saturday I watched a video of Katha from one of the major Gurdwaras where "Mohammed Sahib" was being talked of in glowing terms by a prominent giani.

Yes, our people will need to learn the hard way, but if they weren't so obstinately ignorant and arrogant, they wouldn't have to undergo the inevitable horrors this particular learning experience will throw their way.

Dead quom, dead people.

30 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

No but tell me does gurbani say pilgrimages,fastings are useless. Yes or no?

In 40 years when village Gurdwaras in Punjab are being attacked and Sikh girls are being coerced into Islam, would you suggest the victims start shouting, "Gurbani says pilgrimages and fasting is useless!"? 

These rough and ready "banter" types need to recognise boundaries as soon as you come across these types of guys. If you're one of those pappus that giggles nervously when goreh like this guy start dropping nonsense into conversations to see if there's going to be any resistance or pushback, you're basically done for. All it takes is a "shut your f****g mouth, you wan**er!" with a laugh to establish limits. Say something off-colour about something you know he holds dear. That's usually enough to let him know you aren't a total pondhu.

If you think I'm talking tatti, then fair enough.

But go listen to ANY Katha performed by the panth's great sants, mahapurash, gianis, kathavachaks of the past 60 years, and you'll not hear anything negative about Mohammed and Islam as a valid belief system. 

You'll hear criticism of Islamic PRACTICES or rituals performed by those who say they're Muslims, but you'll NEVER encounter a fundamental disavowal of the validity of Islam as a path to God.

Then how can we utilise Sikhi to dismantle Islam when it's always remained in it's good graces? 

Didn't Sant Jarnail Singh say that a Muslim should be a good Muslim, a Hindu a good Hindu, etc? There was no, "Muslims should leave Islam" or "Islam is false." Even in relatively recent Sikh history our leadership has sought to make bridges with Islam. What part of Sikhi can we use to stand against Islam that doesn't make it seem like we're just making up 5hit to combat them? Our religious leadership hasn't ever given us ANY ammunition against them. Why?

3 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Can anyone find the teachings of Christianity, Islam or other religions before they were corrupted? No. Now the corrupted versions are what is believed by people all over the world so they cannot be the truth. Sikhi is the final truth now. Things that have been destroyed or changed cannot be rectified now. That is why the Gurus came to spread Sikhi to put people back on the true path. So its doesn't matter if the religions in their original form were the truth because now they are not and that is why Sikhi exists.

If Gurbani says so, then who are you to claim otherwise? Do you know more?

Also, Sikh affiliation and fondness for Islam is concrete. Was it Guru Gobind Singh or Guru Tegh Bahadur who said they weren't combatting Islam for being Islam; they said they'd fight against anyone who was using any religion as a front to oppress and murder? Yes, so if the Mughals were Christians, Buddhists, Jains, etc, nothing would've changed. Islam was never treated as the enemy. It was only certain Muslims who claimed to represent it that were rallied against.

I hate to do this, but you folks really need to wake up. Now, a friend is telling you these FACTS that our own belief system propagates but which we choose to ignore. When our enemies will hit us with these bricks we won't be ready for it.

12 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

no bro gurbani clearly states only Sikhi is the true panth.

I guess you think "There is no Hindu and no Musalmaan" implies "There is only Sikh." You've allowed pendus to interpret Gurbani for you without analysing and reciting it yourself, AND you've also neglected to understand the historical and social circumstances of the time in which it was received by the bhagats. Reading up on Indian history preceding and during the period of the emergence of Gurbani crystallises the mindset and intention of the various authors. It actually makes way more sense if you're aware of the background and life events of each of the bhagats who contributed.

Lots of picking and choosing going on. It's also ironic that the one Sikh scripture that would inculcate Sikhs from succumbing to bukwaas from outsiders is the one Sikh scripture that's decried as a fake! 

18 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

if it states that pilgrimages, fasting, circumcision , idol worship is wrong then how can hindu and muslim dharam be true. So you think Muslims are misinterpreting their religion? BS. They are literally doing everything in accordance to their scriptures. English translations are available all over. It literally means that being born into a muslim or hindu family doesnt mean the person cannot be close to god unlike Islam where if you are born into a non muslim family , you are going to hell. Sikhi states Karmi apo apni ke nede ke door aka one's karam determines how close or far away from God someone is.

You're saying that. That's your masala. Why do you think the identification of the various rituals that have gradually overshadowed actual worship are condemned by Sikhi?

The implication is the religions in their original forms are both valid. The implication is that the followers have corrupted these religions by fasting, circumcisions, etc.

You fail to understand that if Sikhi criticised the actual religions from the exact moment of their creation (i.e. their reason for being), it would imply that God made a mistake by creating these two religions. Sikhi takes the line that God created good and just religions that were distorted at a later date by Man. That's one of the justifications for the creation of Sikhi; to correct the mistakes of the earlier paths. Why would God create false and distorted religions from the get-go? Don't go off on nonsense tangents. Think through what I'm presenting here.

19 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

dude it is liberal thought to always keep vouching for communal harmony. Do you think religious conservatives would want this?

How many liberal sarpanches do you know? 

Just now, proudkaur21 said:

bro it literally says hindu anna turku kana.  It literally says i do not fast or perform pilgrimages. Literally anti 5 pillars of islam. It means that just because someone is born in a Muslim family doesn't mean they cant be close to god. Look at bhai Mardana, bhagat kabir ji. They were born into muslim families but were they Muslims according to Islam? NO. Their actions and beliefs were not in accordance with Islam.

Lol, yes, it condemns the HINDU and it condemns the "TURK" for not following their religion properly. Show me where it says Hinduism and Islam are false religions according to Sikh scriptures. Like I said, the follower who misses the point of his religion is chastised by the writers of Sikh texts. The religions themselves aren't doctrinally dismantled, analysed, disproven, or castigated. Come on!

4 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

what do you mean by this? Sikh scripture clearly states muslim dharam is wrong so why would it be okay to build mosques that preach adharam?

Rubbish. It doesn't say anything like that at all. Gurbani decries the ritual of Islam and all religions that veer from the path of worshipping one God. It doesn't condemn the faith; it condemns the follower. 

2 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

true. These people have no idea what they are doing. Imagine living in a place with barely any muslims because of your ancestor's efforts and then purposely helping in your own ruin. Same thing happened with northern euros who didnt have experience with Muslims compared to southern euros and look what is happening to them. Modern day liberal sikhs are so so so dumb and pathetic. They didnt get to live amongst this group and hence have no idea how bad things will become.

It seems the past 10 years of feeding the Sikh mind with Sufi / Islamophilic culture has done its job. Its softened up the Sikh mind to open themselves up to people they should keep at arm's length. I don't believe any of this romanticisation of Islamic culture in Punjab over the past few years is an accident.

2 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

liberals ruin everything good.

You can't put this one down to liberals. How many liberals do you know in Punjabi pinds? It's a lot more complex than that. 

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It's like a slow boiling frog in a pot.

Why force a demographic change, when you can make them want to themselves. 

Misguided and distorted Dharma without necessary counterbalances leads to what we're seeing now. There's no Jews to blame in India (in terms of this particular situation). Hindutva despise Muslims more than anyone, and want them gone. This is us when we're left to our own devices, lead by ignorant and unintelligent religious and cultural leaders. Shameful and embarrassing.

13 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Who the heck wants this to be an Abrahamic subcontinent? 

With respect, that's not the question we should be asking. 

If the Dharmics / Sikhs are incapable of preserving their own existence, then such a demographic deserves to be wiped out and replaced by Abrahamics. There's no two ways about it. This isn't us being forced to convert or flee at the end of a sword or a gun. We are actively and happily handing over our future existence to these groups with no prompting from any other group. This is all us. And there is nothing in Sikh religious scriptures that contradicts any of what is occurring.

F**k this, i don't want to know.

Sikh Sufi / Islamophiles currently in a coma from joy.