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  1. 34 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

    1. By Guru Sahib, I mean our 10 Guru Sahibaan.

    2. By submission, I meant being ready to sacrifice anything for Guru Sahib.


    1. Yes

    2. Who sets the parameters and specific objectives for the mooted sacrifice? A human representative? Your own budhi? 

    A person can't throw out these hugely significant terms without specifically defining their reach.

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  2. 13 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

    so we should just give up and not do anyhting? well i believe the weaker souls who in spite of getting the gift to be born into sikhi will wither away and only the strong sikhs will remain. Wouldnt it be better? Most of these weaker sikhs will intermarry and give up on sikhi. The stronger ones will continue to latch onto it. Wouldnt it just remove the weak ones from our panth.

    There's levels to this kind of stuff. Most of what's discussed and identified on places like this forum is very low level and almost naively dangerous in many ways. It's adherence to a strange "hero" narrative that's disconnected from actual reality. It's becoming quite difficult to be "real" on places like here. It's like people want reality to conform to the narrative and character beats of a film or a story.  



  3. 2 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

    I head Shia women used to marry Singhs during puraatan times. However there was a "maryada" Singhs of those times used for 51 ikwanja days where the former shia women had to eat something that a muslmaan cannot eat.

    that is hilarious. why do the shia callers keep going on about Aisha though? 

    If I remember correctly, it boils down to her rebelling against one of Muhammed's successors, and generally not getting on with certain sections of his family.

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  4. 1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

    Sikhi Saroop, practising Nitnemi, possibly Amritdhari

    Interesting that most people don't equate the attributes you've listed above with the intellectual or cognisant aspect of being a Sikh in terms of being "aware" and understanding the state of things in relation to real-world issues and practices. That probably inadvertently answers the question as to why Sikhs find themselves in this difficult situation.


    9 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

    Maybe a lack of visible role models in media, and lack of Sikhs emphasising female role models in Sikh Itihaas

    That's a very trite and low-level way of providing potential solutions to these problems. You're almost making excuses for their lack of interest, ambition, and general curiosity.

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  5. 1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

    I've noticed male Sikhs generally know more than females. A case of parents neglecting their duty with girls ?

    What's stopping girls from picking up a book or opening a webpage? They spend most of their day with their eyes glued to a screen anyway. 

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  6. 2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

    I don't completely agree they are useless, but the quantity of 'strong' Sikhs is low. And often the 'strong' ones are naiive or can be too friendly with other hostile communities. Ravi Singh Khalsa Aid is one example in my mind. 

    What's your definition of strong in this instance?

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  7. 3 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

    I think it matters very little on who actually controls the Gurdwaras if our soch is not ultimately based on Sikhi in the spirit; as most aam Banda will view gurdwaras the same, (eating Langar, showing off clothes, and gossiping about stuff). We could hypothetically have Gurdwaras run completely according to Gurmat, and still have our society be backwards. Even when our Gurdwaras were owned by Hindu Mahants, the Aam Sikh was still more in Sikhi soch than they are today. 

    Not the Gurdwara but the Panth itself. The Gurdwara is irrelevant.

  8. 3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

    We change what's done at the Gurudwara level. What the lifestyle entails, what we offer? Sikhi will be packed. 

    Add some shameless self asuredness. Swag swag swag. 

    That would be the natural route to take to at least reduce the speed of the decline. But the people at the top are infuriatingly resistant to anything that decreases their control and power. They've settled into a routine, and even if someone were to arrive with a fool-proof plan that was nothing but pro-Sikh and pro-Maryada, there would still be resistance on the part of these "custodians" owing to their own insecurities and fears. When a person's roti or livelihood depends on perpetuating the status-quo, they'd go to any lengths to ensure things stay as they are.

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  9. On 12/12/2021 at 5:17 PM, Suchi said:

    Ultimately, the key is the quality of the individual, regardless of the philosophy being proposed. 

    Whilst the leaders of any group may possess supreme qualities, that even perhaps a few of their followers manage to emulate, most are unable to do so especially if their leader has gone.  Hence why in times of war, the leaders are targeted first as the rest will fall away once he is captured. 

    So any system of control is always vulnerable until it has been established for decades with all the group members strictly adhering to rituals or inculcating habits that will see it thrive for generations.  Otherwise it will fail at the first hurdle.

    Absolutely, 100%.

    It's this idea that has lead me to emphasise my belief that the Sikh religion is on its decline because it simply doesn't have the strength in depth (in terms of "time served" from a civilisational sense) to bat away other longer-established religions and popular belief systems / ideologies.

    Sikhs of today - and I say this objectively without any emotion - are mediocre to useless even those who've set themselves up as bearers of knowledge and scriptures. Most people reading this will immediately leap to the conclusion that to rectify this downward trend we need to be more religiously observant or stringent in our practices, but that's not the solution. I don't believe there is a solution in as much as "saving" anything. You've just got to let it happen and see where the pieces fall.

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  10. 43 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

    Well, originally they (Persians) must have (obviously and logically) encountered the fervent, arab, extreme sunni strain that they couldn't fight off victoriously (I'm sure they tried?). I guess the shia thing is the result of being subjugated, and then later compromising what was forced upon them?

    Shia do seem to relish trolling the Sunni. There's hilarious footage on YouTube of Middle Eastern TV programmes where Shia callers phone up Sunni TV cooking shows and similar programmes and indulge in what Sunni would say is total blasphemy. It's funny because it's done in such a clever way where the caller pretends to be a fellow Muslim, but then just comes out with absolute gandh about certain Islamic personalities, lol.

  11. Iranians are wonderful people, moreso Western ones. I know a few, and even with my critical eye, you can sense by reading between the lines that Islamic doctrine is just so removed from their natural, relaxed Persian demeanour, that it's an absolute tragedy that particular belief system was foisted upon them centuries ago.

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