Quantavius

Quantavirus your personal attacks against Balkar are completely unnecessary. He's outclassing you by a country mile in style in being patient with your personal attack. In addition, unlike you, he's actually making a responsive and on topic point.

Are you multiple people using this account? I recall interesting respectful views that in the past that seem to have come from a different person.

Ok, where did I go wrong? I'll reread my post to see where I went wrong. I try my best to not be offensive. I'll improve and be more respectful. Sorry.

I resent being 'outclassed'. LOL!

WJKK WJKF

Why would you support and suggest a movement to make a gurdwara purely based on caste? How is this in anyway good for sikhi.

If you wish to continue to carry on endorsing the jatt caste you should not say your a sikh of the guru. Because the guru is against the hierarchy of any caste. There is no justification for your view in gurmat. It is simply manmat.

As I have said before on this site, you should return fully to your jatt roots and ancestor worship. Light a diva for the jathedar of your clan and be in ore of your ancestors.

Live and breathe your jatt ancestry, but leave sikhi to the gurus sikhs.

Reread what I wrote very, very slowly as you have problems with your reading comprehension skills. If that doesn't get work, get someone to read my post and explain it to you.

Quantavius, I wasn't aware you were the world's leading scholar on my habits. You're acting very familiar all of a sudden. Get a grip, you don't know any of us and you have no idea what we do with our time. Maybe we don't buy mazhbis Gurdwaras [LOL] or fly off to India to preach, but that's because most of us have families, duties and jobs to occupy ourselves with. Not all of us can be Jagraj Singhs, the wish to do something doesn't mean you are well suited to doing it, don't be so simple-minded. But when we have time, we help fellow Sikhs in whatever modest ways we can. Not that I should have to explain any of this to you LOL. Quit making wild presumptions about people you have never met and, if God is kind, never will.

I'm not attacking Jatts Quantavius, I'm criticising people who think they are better than everyone else because of some accident of birth. You don't seem to understand very much about the problems facing mazhbis. They aren't in need of money any more than the average Jatt is these days and they definitely don't need me to buy any Gurdwaras for them. They have both. And anyway, building them their own personal Gurdwaras where they can be cut off from everyone else is hardly going to make them feel less like social pariahs is it LOL? The problem they are facing is Jatt supremacist ideology which alienates them in Guru Ghars and pushes them into the arms of cults, and to address this problem we need to be targeting Jatts, not Mazbhis. Luckily, there are many parchaaraks who set out to do exactly this, and even we on this forum are contributing to that debate in a humble sort of way.

I don't need to be a scholar to point out a hypocrite. You don't need to leave your families and jobs to create a movement of sorts to help out the Mazhbi's, my selfish friend.

"You don't seem to understand very much about the problems facing mazhbis. They aren't in need of money any more than the average Jatt..."

Spoken like a true fool. One of the major reasons a person leaves one religion for another is because of support and not because their ego was not massaged in their previous religion. You are truly an ignorant bufoon.

Since when does having your own Gurdwara catering to your communities needs equates to being 'cut off'?. If you're not happy the way Jatts behaving in one Gurdwara, would it not be better if you create your own? There are Ramgharias, Sainis, Dhoabe...and they all have their own Gurdwaras. You don't see Jatts or these other communities complaining that they're being 'cut off' from each other. Why is that? Why the constant complain and whining from the likes of you of not being 'inclusive'? That's because you're suffering from an over inflated ego.

If you truly are so concerned about Mazhbi leaving Sikhism, why don't you do something? Create a fund from the UK. Help them out. Create Gurdwaras that are 'inclusive' of them. But you're not here to help. You're here to massage your ego. You need to find a bogeyman to attack and make yourself look good in front of your low IQ Pendu buddies.

Nobody leaves one religion for another just because they were 'looked down' by members of their own community you clueless nit wit. If that were the case, millions of low caste Hindus would have left Hinduism by now. Do you think there are no problems among Christians and Muslims? You are very ignorant as to why one leaves a religion for another.

Quantavius, Jatt supremacism isn't some harmless quirk or bit of eccentricity, it directly affects many lives. It is no coincidence that so many of the anti-Sikh deras in the Punjab rely upon majhbi and low-caste former Sikhs to constitute the bulk of their following, or that Christian missionaries are specifically targeting these people. They have turned to these cults to find the acceptance which they are convinced that Sikhi denies them, because of the actions of bigoted Jatt supremacists - excluding them from Gurdwara committees, assaulting them when they agitate for their rights [this still happens from time to time in my nanke's pind Talhan), refusing to sell them land because of their caste. You appear totally disconnected from the reality of it. I don't know how often you visit Punjab, if at all, but the implications of casteism there are not the same as they are for Sikhs like you living in the West, in a society where these labels mean nothing at all.

And what is stopping you and your ilk from going to Punjab and creating your own version of 'perfect Sikhism' and keeping these Majhbi Sikhs within Sikhism fold? How hard is it for you people like you getting together in the UK, putting your money where your collective mouths are and buying over a couple of Gurdwaras in Punjab to cater to these Majhbi Sikhs?

Take Jagraj as an example. He is out there doing what he believes. No attack on anybody else. This is a guy I can really respect. I would not be the least surprised if he is a Jatt. LOL! Why don't you be a Jagraj for the Mazhbi Sikhs in Punjab? Create a movement of sorts. Go help your Mazhbi brothers and sisters instead of attacking Jatts in a forum. You my friend are part of the problem.Spare us your crocodile tears for Mazhbi Sikhs. You like every other hypocrite here never cared for them. They are simply there as footstool for you to attack Jatts. People who are imbued with positive energy go out and create something. Negative people on the other hand, whine, complain and attack others and simultaneously stroking their over inflated ego.

The disconnect here is between you and your hypocrisy.

Ranjeet,

You've missed the point. Its not about invading countries. It's about defining a particular group as a "superior race" and somehow 'a cut above the rest'.

No. Actually YOU are missing the point. Let's assume Jatts do consider themselves superior and you are right. How does that affect you? What actions have they taken in regards to feeling superior affected your well being?

WJKK WJKF

Yea sounds about right....still today within sikhi the jat strives for some form of supremacy over other sikhs within sikhi continuously taking it back to their leanage. A jatt what took Amrit and became Khalsa will always be considered Khalsa, until they then marginlise themselves as a "jatt sikh" and marry within caste and continue to do so misunderstanding and misinterpretating the gurus sikhi for caste supremacy. Usually justifying it with ridiculous notions.

Can you please enlighten us and tell what caste were all our Guru's Maharaj? What caste women did they marry into?

Regarding the Jats, what a complete load of nonsense.

Minor compared to the threat posed by Trump. LOL!

One of the key aspects of being a warrior is being able to tell the difference between friend and foe. If you can't even tell the difference between a friend and a foe, you are no warrior but a fool.

As crazy as it sounds, there probably are some 'low iq pendus' out there blaming Trump for this attack.

From what I've read, Maharaja Ranjit Singh was no saint either. His attempt to undermine the misls and take over their territories caused the Malwa faction to run to the British.

How to fight depression on your own.I mean if your near and dear ones are not ready to accept that you are psychologically ill.Any video links or self help books helpfull for this ailment.?

I don't have a solution but here are some ideas. Do things that make you happy like watching movies or playing games. Maybe even hanging out with friends. Don't be alone.

Hope you don't end up on Prozac or any other medication on depression.

Since a sizable number of Sikhs live in the UK and other previous English colonies like the US, Canada and Australia and enjoy a higher sense of personal freedom and wealth then they could ever imagine by their Indian counter parts I think, Sikhs should gift this diamond to the Brits. We can raise some sort of 'write in' whereby all Sikhs living in the UK, US, Canada, Britian...give their full support that it should remain the British crown.

As a Sikh if I had to choose, i would rather it remain in the hands of the British then the Indians.

Berlin (AFP) - Chancellor Angela Merkel on Friday authorised criminal proceedings sought by Turkey against a German TV comedian over a crude satirical poem about President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that has sparked a bitter row over free speech.

In a surprise decision that exposed rifts within Merkel's government, she said the German judiciary would now have to decide whether the popular comic, Jan Boehmermann, could be convicted under rarely enforced lese-majeste legislation.

"The government will give its authorisation in the case at hand," Merkel told reporters in a hastily arranged televised statement.

A probe under section 103 of the criminal code -- insulting organs or representatives of foreign states -- can only go forward with the approval of the federal government.

The offence can carry a punishment of up to three years in prison.

Merkel said the government agreed it would scrap what many labelled an outdated statute by 2018 as a result of the embarrassing affair.

Ankara this month filed a formal request for a criminal inquiry to be launched in Germany against Boehmermann, who accused Erdogan of bestiality and paedophilia in the so-called "Defamatory Poem".

Boehmermann gleefully admitted he was flouting Germany's legal limits on free expression, but has kept a lower profile since the furore erupted.

The comedian was reacting to Ankara's decision last month to summon Germany's ambassador in protest at another satirical song broadcast on German TV which lampooned Erdogan in far tamer language.

- Courts have last word -

The case comes at an extremely awkward time as Europe is relying on Ankara to implement a pact spearheaded by Merkel to curb the flow of migrants taking boats headed for the European Union from Turkey's shores.

It exposed Merkel to criticism she was compromising basic values to win Erdogan's continued cooperation.

Merkel -- who had previously labelled Boehmermann's poem "deliberately insulting" -- had pledged Turkey's request would be "very carefully" examined, even as she underlined the German constitution's free speech protections.

On Friday she said her government, after heated internal debate, had concluded that only the judiciary should decide whether Boehmermann had committed a criminal offence.

"In a state under the rule of law, it is not a matter for the government but rather for state prosecutors and courts to weigh personal rights issues and other concerns affecting press and artistic freedom," she said.

Merkel stressed that Berlin's decision did not amount to a "prejudgement" on his legal culpability and that "prosecutors and courts" would have the last word.

She also highlighted Germany's "close and friendly relations" with Turkey, which she noted was a NATO ally, an EU membership candidate, and the country of origin of three million people living in Germany.

She said while Turkey deserved "respect", she would continue to voice her "deep concerns" about threats to media freedom there.

Prosecutors last week opened a preliminary probe against Boehmermann, 35, after complaints by dozens of viewers.

- 'Unbearable kowtowing' -

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said his Social Democrats, junior partners in the ruling coalition, had opposed the approval of Turkey's request and were overruled.

"In cases in which there is a conflict between media satire and the protection of individuals' honour, the restraint of the government is particularly advisable," he told reporters.

The head of the German Journalists' Federation, Frank Ueberall, blasted the government's decision as "absurd", saying it sent "the wrong message to the Turkish government" about civil liberties.

Sahra Wagenknecht of the far-left opposition party Die Linke called it "unbearable kowtowing" to the "Turkish despot Erdogan" at the "expense of press freedom in Germany".

However news website Spiegel Online defended Merkel, saying she had demonstrated the independence of the German judiciary to Erdogan "who had nothing better to do than to complain at the highest level about a German jokester".

"It is wrong to speak of buckling or caving -- Merkel showed diplomatic finesse in putting the ball back in Turkey's court," it said.

honestly are you an ex-user because you seem so fixed on one thing alone ...naam jap and get some laha

if cannibis freaks you out Waheguru only knows what fantasy you will come up with if I told you I have prescribed snake venom from the Surukuku bushmaster snake of South America to save my father's leg from amputation because of MRSA infection ....BTW in the week while waiting for the surgery I managed to get him to the place where he only lost the chichi and neighbouring toe of that leg ...

Snake venom is in no way comparable to cannabis. Seriously, you cannot be this ignorant. People are not against weed simply because it's 'bizarre' like snake venom. It's because it's an intoxicant, just like alcohol and tobacco. I can't believe that I have to actually spell it out for you.

I'm not judging you on the use of cannabis. I myself drink so I'm in no position to judge others. However I can't believe the double standards here and the silly reason used ie it's 'medicinal'. LOL! There are a million studies out there that proves alcohol lowers heart disease. But I'm not going to go around taking the moral high ground on other intoxicants while touting mine as being 'medicinal'.

Secondly, IMHO, purely from a Sikh point of view, we are supposed to avoid all kinds of intoxicants in order to attain a higher level of spiritual awareness. It's just amazing how cannabis users like yourself try promoting it's use by peddling that bs about it being 'medicinal' comparing it to morphine use during operation in a hospital and now snake venom. You guys are definitely imaginative. LOL!!!!!!!! You're fooling nobody but yourself.

Everything is 'medicinal'. tumeric, onions, garlic....they're all medicinal. However one is has other usages while the other is purely to get high. I'm not against someone suffering from some desease using cannabis to help fight that desease, in a really genuine case. However you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say A is fantastic, while B is just pure evil. Most countries around the world have a ban on cannabis and none on alcohol and tobacco, there is a reason for that. The propensity to become a druggie on weed is far, far higher then one becoming an alcoholic. Moreover alcoholics don't behave the same way as a drug addicts.

Brother Tobacco was referred to by Guru Pita ji as jugat jhooth rubbish of the world ... and also alcohol is also spoken of in harsh terms where a person doesn't even recognise his own from a stranger. You can see how both have destroyed sikhi here and across the 'modern' world society...both are dangerous .

Honest question, what did Guruji Maharaj say about cannabis?

funny ...all I talked about was knowledge of symptoms and I get sarcastic/ foolish guys coming at me ...Naam japia kar ...

This coming from someone promoting use of weed. LOL!

Can someone think of God after consuming weed?

Thanks.

I've never equated 'just' saintliness/bhagti with valour, Nihang or otherwise. If this was the case what was/is the need for training, we know for a fact not all Nihangs train in Shashtar Vidya just like 90% + of Amritdharis? If all our affairs are arranged simply with bhagti Guru Sahib could have on many occasions turned the Delhi Takhat on it's head without waging a single war.

Perhaps I get where you're coming from, weed giving that 'extra boost'. I used to do hard manual work and towards the end of the night, with a couple of beers, work seemed lighter and finished faster.I know people who have deceases like Parkinson who take weed to feel better.

However let's not kid ourselves, alcohol, cigarettes, weed....they are all intoxicants. They are not going to take you to a higher state of spiritual awareness. Instead they numb the mind.

In saying that, I believe weed and other drugs are far more dangerous then alcohol and cigarettes.

Don't see how this is relevant to this particular discussion on Cannabis.

Nevertheless. for the sake of clarity, I find it despicable the great majority Ladliaan Faujaan have not participated in struggles over the recent decades where Taksalis and AKJ laid down their lives without hesitation and to top of it off Santa Singh rebuilt the Akal Takhat Sahib going against the wishes of the Sangat.

It has everything to do with it. Cannabis usage = bhagthi = saintliness = valor = bravery in battle field.....I put it in mathematical form so you can understand better.

Even a person is high in bhagthi, woudn't that translate to saintlyness in real life? I suspect the only bhagthi is getting a good buzz...LOL!

I don't know of any genuine evidence that Tobacco was used for medicinal purposes by Sikh contemporaries of Guru Sahib. What gorey want to do and the ones who are blinkered with Vigyaan from the West is their own marji, koi rok nahee. So no I don't see the double standard in that sense. We seem to be quick to judge the Nihangs that take it in small quantities but have massive amounts of bhagti. I would prefer to talk to the ones that do use it daily and make up my own mind rather than rely solely on our limited mat from listening to others which results in a skewed view.

Ok. Where was the bhagti when Sikhs were massacred by the GOI?

Be my guest, I wont be stopping you.

Don't worry, I'm not asking your permission. LOL!

My point is why the double standards?

Cigarettes no, but alcohol depends on the context, it is used for wounds and in almost all known 'FDA' approved cough medicines.

Why not? As crazy as it sounds apparently there are good side effects to smoking.

http://www.livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html

Tried and tested methods of herbal medicinal used throughout millenia whether in the outback of Australia, Amazonian Rainforests or closer to home 'desi/ayurvedic' remedies are far better and healthier for the body than the engineered single substance man made medicines approved by the FDA/BMA - providing you find a trusted Vaid. Western Science though useful has significant limitations, they do not understand to name but a few examples, garam/sarad of the body, treatment of eczema without E45, effective remedies for chronic coughs.......really the list is endless.

There is no denying Cannabis was used in the past by Singh's as is evident through historical Granths, just not for recreational use to get high. Trick for the ones that use it to have 8-10 hours of Amritvela or work in the heat is not to get hooked and herein lies the tricky part!

Curious, are you also ok with alcohol and cigarettes?

I don't believe alcohol and cigarettes are that bad but drugs, that's a whole new ball game. I've seen drug addicts. I even know professionals giving the same jive that I'm witnessing in this thread. But they don't realise the ill effects. Like being slow. I honestly believe weed eventually makes you stupid.

Have you ever researched what goes into the medicines prescribed to us by health professionals and their side effects?

Medicines that have been approved by bodies like the FDA and prescribed by a Medical Doctor is not the same as rolling up a joint and smoking it, no matter how you slice and dice it. Nobody gets addicted to say medication for high blood pressure but people do get addicted to weed. As for side effects, there is no medication without side effects, none. It's just the severity.

Be very careful what you wish. What goes around comes around.