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19 minutes ago, BhForce said:

For the hundredth time, it's a character in the CP who is portrayed as a baddie who is speaking in favor of drugs.

I don't think CP is as binary as that, it's not all goodies and baddies. That's it's beauty, it covers grey areas. 

20 minutes ago, BhForce said:

 

When people make wild claims like that, it just strengthens the thought they are desperately making stuff up to sully the Dasam Bani.

It's usually simpler than that. They are plain dumb and just parroting what they've heard from other uninformed sources.

And those sources are usually unwittingly doing exactly what Rhinehart is saying: Framing things from a western, orientalist framework rooted in biblical studies. Even heavyweights like Kahn Singh Nabha wasn't immune, so imagine what chances the average mota dimaag apna would have.  

I never saw anyone do what you described with that 'crazy uncle'. I came across the ideas of 'erotic stories' and 'Hindu stories' etc. from written works. Hell, I might have easily been one of those uncles, without Guru ji's nadar.  

2 minutes ago, BhForce said:

We should all use this approach. Unfortunately, some of the more hardcore missionaries refuse to so much as dialogue with mainstream Sikhs.

Bruce Lee it: "Absorb what is useful and reject was is useless."

I think getting caught up in pointless controversies is a rabbit hole. Cultivate your own buddhi so you don't fall for anyone else's misconceptions.  

5 minutes ago, BhForce said:

A cranky Uncleji might be anti-Dasam, and going on and on about this Charitar or that section of Chandi until his family and relatives get bored, but the pursuing generations will just go right back to matha-teking to Guru Granth Sahib ji, and visiting the "dreaded" Hazur Sahib and reading Chaupai Sahib.

That's similar to my experience, all the demonisation of DG and especially CP I encountered from texts growing up, ultimately just led me to them and made me look at the in more detail when I was old enough to make my own opinion. Sometimes these 'controversies' have that reverse effect. lol

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Interesting. Thanks. 

Isn't the author JS Mann a hardcore anti-Dasam?

 

I don't know, but whilst he might be miles off the mark there, he might be on point here.  

12 minutes ago, BhForce said:

(Don't take any of my rants as an attack on you. They are attacks on the Orientalists.)

I would love to see one of us produce a study on "Sikh Studies professors". Just like they love to study us as weird, exotic, irrational creatures, I'd love to see them portrayed for the ego-maniac, backstabbing grant-hoggers that they are.

Some of this has been done:

https://www.discoversikhism.com/sikh_library/english/psychoanalysis_of_dr_w_h_mcleod.html

Some people are interested in literature and what it can tell us in terms of concepts and ithihaas and the cultures the works emanate from. She seems to be genuine based on what I read therein? 

10 minutes ago, BhForce said:

I think a lot of us have been through the "oh, look, a Westerner acknowledges Sikhism!" stage.

Where I am now, I don't care to "make another Macauliffe", so to speak. That's the origin of McLeod. Sikhs thought he'd be another expositor of Sikhism to the gore.

All these Orientalists can't exist with the "native informer". The native informer is the guy on the inside who gives information to the gora, which uses to colonialize us, defeat us, or write books about us.

Things could change, but at this point I don't think I really care if goray think we're a violent "warrior religion" a ala Kim Bolan (racist reporter for the Vancouver Sun) or are sympathetic like Christopher Shackle.

In fact, I think I might prefer goray think we're unhinged (even though we're not).
 

I hear you 100%! 

I loathe Mcleod's work, I think even most of the Singh Sabha era literature has been infected with that orientalist mindset internally.

I read this work with a hawkish attitude because of my previous experiences with 'Sikhism' texts (of which I've read many and grew up on), and was pleasantly surprised at its balance. I think it has a lot of merits. It's a textual analysis that attempts to actual contextualise and grasp the underlying message behind various works within. 

For the record, whilst I applaud and value Shackle's contributions for their linguistic usefulness, I think he himself hasn't been able to shake off that orientalist mindset. To him the Singh Sabha era was a renaissance period - to me it was a hardcore colonial subordinate compromise. 

1 minute ago, BhForce said:

Could you just put the link here?

The Google Books link just leads to a preview (which shows only footnotes and not the body of the book).

This site doesn't allow you to upload books like that, that's why you have to get it from the other one. It has the complete work now. 

I have to say, as someone who has tried to translate stuff in the past, I did think her translations of the Chandi narratives were impressive.  

6 minutes ago, BhForce said:

For us, the Dasam Granth Sahib is not object of study. It is our Guru's bani. It is the vehicle through which our Guru breathes the spirit of martial resistance into our Panth. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib is a living manifestation of our Miri, not a dead "text".

From what she wrote I think she is aware that this is not just a 'text'  for us. 

She also seems to understand its relevance and utility for people.  

11 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Could you make the download available again?

Secondly, I personally object to this professor lady or any other non-Sikh butting into our business. "Debating the Dasam Granth" sounds like an Orientalist study of tribals fighting each other. Like, "Pointed Battle: Towards an Understanding of Why Hutus and Tutsis Hate Each Other".

I don't want any white women (or men) studying us like lab specimens.

I rather have it out with a missionary Sikh than have outsiders stick their noses in.

I'm super suspicious of western works myself, but I read this, and I think it was spot on. It comes to very similar conclusions about Dasam Granth that some of us who grew up with DG being demonised and looked into ourselves came to. I found it highly perceptive, more than some standard pendu level analysis. 

Try now, I put a new link in the first post. If you have any issues downloading, let me know. 

Very useful information for US Sikhs on how to get a weapons permit. 

1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Yeah, sure, I can go with that. It's hard to see someone getting beat up right in front of you.

But that's not what we're talking about.

This about a Muslim applauding lapdop Sikhs for not saying "We're not Muslims".

Merely saying "Sikhs are not Muslims" does mean we're calling for Muslims to be beat up in the streets. It just means the Muslims have to make their own case and verbally defend their own actions or condemn those of the bombers in their ranks. We have no responsibility to talk about the "background causes" for 9/11 or whatever.

Given some of our history, I feel no desire to take the brunt of blowback for other people in their fights.

I might be wrong, but remembering back then, I think it was mainly US Sikhs doing that? Where I'm at, most sharp Sikhs were anticipating something big from that quarter, I think some of our guys infiltrated them and knew something big was coming.  

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2 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

LOL i swear majority Sikhs stood with Muslims after 

 

Depends where you live. I didn't see that. But that being said, having grown up around racial violence, I wouldn't be particularly keen to see (for example) some hijaban women or a kid being abused or attacked in front in of me. 

I think this film covers how Panjabi peasants got shafted. 

Haven't watched it yet. 

On 7/28/2023 at 2:06 PM, ChardikalaUK said:

Hit the nail on the head again. 

This is how apne are decorating their houses nowadays, ugly AF in my opinion, Southall has many such properties and they're becoming more common in Slough as well. Another problem is that the roads get full of parked cars because there are so many adults living in one house, sometimes 6!

 

Richings Park is majority apne now, I think it's mostly rich people from Southall. A lot have destroyed character properties into monstrosities like above. But overall it's still a very nice area. 

Well, give us some examples of renovations that you find tasteful then. 

24 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

I have heard this from someone who works closely with the police. 

Yeah, the police, they've really been on top of the grooming thing........

Maybe the person you are talking to is a sell out? 

5 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Hit the nail on the head again. 

This is how apne are decorating their houses nowadays, ugly AF in my opinion, Southall has many such properties and they're becoming more common in Slough as well. Another problem is that the roads get full of parked cars because there are so many adults living in one house, sometimes 6!

 

Richings Park is majority apne now, I think it's mostly rich people from Southall. A lot have destroyed character properties into monstrosities like above. But overall it's still a very nice area. 

People are doing their places up the same around my ends too. I don't think it looks too bad, plus there are other reasons to do it. The rendering on the front helps with damp which is a massive problem with these older houses. 

Look, we've probably got dharam yudh on multiple fronts ahead of us - there is no excuse to not face this hikikat.

12 hours ago, BhForce said:

If you do that, most Punjabis will think you're not authentically Punjabi!

Or you come across as a 'pajama'. 

I was taught to speak polished Malwa Panjabi from a child, but as soon as I turned teenager and went out in the working/wider world and had to work with other rural apnay I soon realised it marked me out - actually they didn't hesitate to tell me straight up, asking me why I was talking like that. I adapted.   

I know it's wrong, but I'm messed up too: a Sikh talking Hindi does my head in. Probably for the same reasons that olders subtly made me talk 'less polished' when I was younger (as alluded to above).