dallysingh101

Not at all true in the case of Sikhs. Our ancestors were held up as the fullest realisation of manhood in the whole of Hindustan, according to the martial race theory. The British definitely emasculated the people of Bengal (perpetuating stereotypes about effeminate and slight-framed 'babbus') so that they could rule over them, but Sikh compliance was secured by massaging the collective ego of the Sikh people. The Brits arrived at the conclusion which the Sikhs of the time had believed about themselves all along - that they were superior to other Indians. And now, here was the 'proof', in that clever white man's book.

Sikhs (like proper mugs) only look at the martial race theory partially, when they look at it in its entirety the 'best' so-called martial races are also classified as people who were docile to authority in that they take orders without challenging them. The martial race is a stroke of political manipulation - if anyone should have been at the top it would have been Pathaans. But they were too freely spirited for the Brits.

Maybe if Bengalis had crawled up whitey's rear end like many of our lot did, they'd probably be rewarded with a position much higher up the martial race list?

One of the things I have noticed with the media is that they have been trying to normalise homosexualty and then transexual. Now there is a subtle play to normalise paedophelia.

There os a site called Salon, where some paedophile has written an article about he wants to be accepted.

The problem with leftist media people like Sunny Hundal will fall for this hook, line and sinker

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/im-a-paedophile-not-a-monster-claims-us-man-10512893.html

Well, we know there are pedos at the highest levels of government and police here, not to mention the media. They are probably secretly networked and this gives them a lot of power to push their agenda.

People are increasingly noticing how paedophilia is being 'normalised' with the same arguments that were used for homosexuality i.e. these people are just born like that.

Oriental can be offensive to some people so I tend to avoid it.

OK.

That's just the way many east asian men are.

What country are you in? I've never heard such people being described a 'East asians'? it's usually oriental or something like that?

'It aint half hot Mum' was the above series ...Dad for some bizarre reason watched it but we were not allowed near it (thank you Waheguru) the only actual desi guy was the bengali/bangladeshi chahwalla...seventies TV was openly racist ...

The desi TV program was the catchy 'nain zindagi, nain jeevan'

Your dad is smart! The 'Sikh' guy in it (who was actually a goray and looks shockingly like my grandpa!!), was the biggest chumcha out of the lot of them. He was always going "We British....We British....."

lmao, he's a guy xD so maybe you are turning gay. It's cool though xD

No, but he looks more girly than a lot of girls you meet. I got female relatives that are more butch than him.

I think the correct term to describe him is androgynous .

East asians often have effeminate features.

Kamiki is an actor. Taemin is an actor and singer.

Phew..... got worried.

Thought I might be turning gay...

Do you remember the abysmal Indian program on on Sunday mornings...... then they tried to get 'with it' with Network East. lol

You people are showing your age with Under the water margin.

I remember being mesmerized by the blacked up 'Sikh' in It ain't half hot mum...because I had a belt just like the one that kept his pag together.

Sorry mrgg123 you've missed the point where are the anti grooming\paedophile specialist units cracking down on child rape?

Geezer, they can't even deal with pedos running around in plain view at Westminister. How are they going to deal with it on a street level?

Truth is that these people have no real will or desire to deal with the issue.

and the guy as my avatar is Taemin (sth korean).

What the heck!

I thought it was a pretty girl....... :wow:

What do they do? Are they actors?

one thing i dont get it is what happened to those dads and grandads who fought the skinheads back in the days. These are the same dads and grandads who dont mind their son or daughter marrying a non sikh now?

compare this with pakis and bengalis who remember the skinheads even til this day and hold that grudge.

When you talk to oldies (the generation above mine) they just shrug it off as some wayward goray. They are generally too dumb to realise that it was actually a carefully planned strategy by an increasingly popular rightwing group at the time (the NF) who later morphed into the BNP. A lot of Sikh Panjabis are mostly pendus with simple minds. Goray learned during colonisation that you can treat them really bad and then suddenly sweet them up and they quickly forget. lol

Plus remember, the real violence (stabbings, beatings axings) against racist goray was done by the second generation not the first, at least in East London.

Then there is the fact that most apnay are economically reliant on goray. Sullay do a lot more wheeling and dealing than us, where goray aren't involved. Legit and otherwise. There is a strong Muslim economy here with food shops, halal butchers, barbers, restaurants, minicabs etc. etc. Plus the drug trade. And evidently pimping too....

I saw with my own eyes the clamp down sullay did on Pak girls going wayward in the late 80s/early 90s. Within a few years they had pretty much stopped them mixing with non-sullay and stopped them going to bhangra gigs en masse. They would slap the girls up, on the street if need be. No camera phones back then, and people didn't generally run to the police anyway.

I think our lot can't be bothered with dealing with the stress of telling a daughter who thinks she knows it all, who to marry. Apneean are very stubborn like that.

fair enough brother. Tbh I have actually seen it but only in 2 nightclubs once when I went to a west london night club a club of years ago for a desi night, but i think they may have been sikh. Also once at herts uni again a desi night but that guy was defo some mirpuri guy or something. Apart from that I have never actually seen it.

That's cool brother. Let's use each others eyes to fill in personal blind spots. I was pretty oblivious to what was really going on (even under my nose) until certain brothers and sisters opened my eyes - so it's easily done.

I got to ask Singhni Miripiri:

What's up with all the Chinese/Japanese[?] imagery?

Who are those people in your posts?

Yeah absolutely, that conflating lighter skin to good and the opposite to bad is really crap. But I think this guy hasn't done it to the extreme that I've seen in a LOT of Sikh produced iconography. I think the artist is a nonSikh by the way (based in Ulsoor- Bangalore, Karnataka), so he's probably (maybe subconsciously?) just re-presenting what he's seen in Sikh art?

Thought you might like to know a true story regarding a strong female warrior.

Here's an image you might like:

We can see all the evil and mass murder that has happened to many people not just the Sikhs, all points towards the whities in the upper levels of the British atheist /Christian establishment.

They've got their hands in the SGPC too.

I mean that Sikhs often lack trust in Muslims.

Is this really surprising?

babanian kehanian put saput karen ...the formula we all been told by Guru ji ...I defy anyone to read all our itihaas and not want to become khalsa ...Our best effort is to go to trusted sources and translate them to multiple languages starting with English maybe sitting in videsh countries we can contribute to the panth this way?

A lot of people can't actually handle the truth, especially those from really conservative backgrounds. Another important thing I should have mentioned in my previous post was the way Sikh historiography changed under the British. Prior to the 'annexation' Sikh writers had NO PROBLEM with the truth, they had NO PROBLEM with recording events where Singhs didn't always behave in line with Guru ji's standards. What I'm saying is that they were honest, realists and frank. It's some of these things that they mention that has today's conservatives (ironically often heavily but unknowingly influenced by the Brit/Protestant/repressed Victorian mindset imposed by the British), jumping up and down like banders. When we look at post annexation Sikh history we see that apnay have learned to lie from the British and start whitewashing their history to fit a particular worldview.

So it becomes more propaganda like (just like white history), trying to portray an idealised but skewed image instead of the warts and all indigenous style of Sikh historiography.

Things are occluded, or edited out.

A lot of people sadly have issues with the contents of some of our historical granths for these reasons

Remember people are only beginning to clock, question and shake off the Brit imposed mindset now - it's at its early stages.

It is incurable. It is because of this we have suffered so much not only in the past but also in the present and will continue suffering in the future too. So, there is no end to this suffering of ours'. If there is, please let me know. Make sure you start from the very beginning of the whole of this 'inferiority' saga, I tend to become confused and distracted very quickly and easily!

It's the easiest ailment to cure of any. All it requires is some self-esteem, a touch of spirit and sacrifice and a drizzle of intelligence.

When you see that what you thought was a benevolent rope is actually a scarcely concealed malevolent snake, you will adjust accordingly. When you learn to relinquish at least a few luxuries for the sake of your soul, instead of being co-opted through your own greed and wants, you will experience an increased level of freedom.

When the Brits attacked Panjab they were surprised at the resistance. At that point in history they were well on their way of developing their white supremacist worldview/mindset (which is only a few centuries old). Let me give you an example, they explained away the unprecedented tough time they had militarily as the consequence of the European training given by Napoleonic generals hired by M. Ranjit Singh, this subtly whitewashes Sikh military ability and prowess. All sorts of evidence is increasingly becoming uncovered that point at a pretty sophisticated and relatively modern and enlightened society in the Sikh kingdom. This was systematically dismantled by the Brits when in power and replaced with inferior/alien systems, especially in terms of education. So we were seriously dumbed down but tricked through technology into thinking we were actually making 'progress'.

Whitey introduced theories that changed the self-perception of many Sikhs. Central to these were 'Aryan invasion theories' and 'Scythian invader' theories. These subtly imply that we are the descendants of white conquerors, and having been recently subjugated many of our people jumped on these ego pandering accounts probably to make themselves feel better - despite their being based on the most tenuous of 'evidence'. Here we start seeing an increased obsession with race, skin colour, caste and tribalism amongst Sikhs, totally against their own inherited principles. Fair skinned Sikhs look contemptuously at the 'inferior' darker people. Juts start to reimagine themselves as Scythians and nonjuts as outsiders. Divide and conquer is in full swing using tribal, caste and religious boundaries. This is used with shocking effect with the 'martial race theory' which panders to our ego and has the more aggressive communities on the subcontinent trying to out do each other fighting white men's battles. They take on the 'white man's burden'. People who pander to the new British authority and parrot its ideas are given patronage and support, whilst others are ostracised or marginalised or imprisoned.

Sikhs steadily and obliviously become weaker and weaker in the meanwhile which leads us to partition. If we just simply look at the military effectiveness of Sikhs at 1849 compared to about a hundred years later, we'll clearly see how we had become fully demilitarised as a warrior community, with only those who fought for the British imperialist agenda being allowed to retain any semblance of the former traditions albeit it in a subverted way.

It's this mentality that they instilled in us at work. We just need to shake it off with a search for truth, not only spiritual but historical too - without making this another exercise into feeding our egos about how great we are because of our ancestors achievements.

In a nutshell: we've been properly mugged off.

Our society is soaked with them. No way out.

There is a mass inferiority complex going on. Started at annexation and continues to this day.

I've seen hindu guys, paki guys and a gora wearing kara ...I confronted the Gora because he was smoking ...I couldn't stand it .

Now that you mention it: I've seen a few HPs do it (which I can sort of understand to be honest seeing as how they perceive Sikhi and the Gurus - though I'm not an advocate of them doing it - for God's sake either get in or stay out!), a few Paks, a gora and recently a half-caste looking boy, which was new. Actually, I've also noticed a lot of Tamils seem to wear them too?

I've met a couple of apneean that told me that (male) Pak friends of theirs wear them too, and/or have asked them to get a kara for them.....this was good few years ago. They thought I was being racist/paranoid/anti-sullah/silly when I told them about grooming and conversions (the actual term 'grooming' wasn't around then). I wonder what they would think now, in light of all the revelations?

But living in London i have never witnessed a muslim wearing a kara and I know the 'boys' and can spot an apna from miles away from the way they carry themselves etc who they chill with...

I've seen it a few times bro (in London). So don't think it doesn't happen.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm debunking the claim it's part of a requirement of 'religious grooming'.

Maybe read my post again.

Well whatever it's origins, it's now a conspicuous feature of your society.

And it doesn't look like many of you are doing anything about it?

To be fair, I'd also argue some of the posts I've seen on this forum are extremely bigotted.

But unlike you, I wouldn't dare generalise and call Sikhism bigotted as people =/= the religion.

Boy, you'd be comical to even try given what's going on closer to home for you....

Don't worry about the splinter in our eye, worry about the log in yours.