dallysingh101

why wouldn't they be they were listening to Guru Pita ji ...he said in bani that multiple generations would be infertile if we smoked ...the scientists are now finding out that grandparents are destroying the fertility of grandchildren and onwards...

I'm talking about wider cultural/traditional knowledge of plants and substances occurring in nature. Not necessarily directly from dasmesh pita himself but part of the wider cultural understandings/traditions in Panjab in bygone days. Call it traditional pharmacology if you want.

I think some people equate drinking sukh-nidhaan in the past as the equivalent of someone smoking a 'spliff' today. The two things are totally different and for totally different purposes.

And modern science is finding that substances in cannabis might be helpful for all sorts of medical/psychological problems.

So there are other rational explanations of why our ancestors might have consumed bhang outside of wanting to get high.

That's not excuse to get stoned though! lol

Lmao look at you guys taking tips from muslims xD

If we haven't learned the tactics of people who've been targeting us for decades by now, we must be some of the biggest idiots around.

No one is taking tips from them. The observation that many apnay AND apneean jump around excitedly at the drop of a hat (or sound of a dhol), oblivious to who is around them whilst others are more observant and predatory isn't 'taking tips' from anyone.

Obviously our people are stumbling around like clowns when it comes to the grooming issue or we wouldn't still be addressing it decade after decade.

I see. This is as much an education for me as anyone else, as I've never been in that type of drinking environment or had those kind of friends.

So Muslims play it cool and detached, whilst keeping their eye on the prize?

You've hit the hammer bang on the nail here.

Someone mentioned a few pages back how girls like that alpha, boorish type behaviour that's fuelled by the drinking culture, whether they're Muslims, Sikhs, etc.

Don't get it twisted. That isn't alpha male behaviour at all.

I never (or very very rarely) see sullay making a jaloos out of themselves like you see apnay doing regularly when drunk.

Don't for one minute think pak Panjabis behave in the openly boorish manner many apnay do. I'd guess if any does, they'd get hooked up for behaving like a clown. Their society doesn't tolerate this behaviour. It's deemed the height of unsophisticated behaviour that they probably link with us.

If it is true Sikh girls find the drinking and the "balle balle" mentality unattractive and off-putting, then they'd all be making eyes at Gursikhs, lol

It's an ugly fact but many (not all) Gursikhs aren't confident and are quite passive (in relative terms to other communities).

I know but I will have to disagree with you on the point that this 'never happened before'.

I mean as in within modern man's time.

punjabi boys r so stupid they r such a turn off in terms of how they act nd geting drunk. if punjabis acted like propa singhs dey could get any paki girl...

Many of our people have got this party 'balle balle' mentality that makes us look like excessively excited fudhoos. You see it on display at a typical garish Panjabi wedding. I was like that too when younger due to cultural normalisation, thankfully I see through it now.

Other cultures have more reserve. Our peeps be REALLY simple-minded.... lol

That's what we have to get people thinking when interacting with others...am I being simple minded and gullible here?

Whatever the causes, we might to prepare for extreme weather in the future. And I mean EXTREME, flooding, tornadoes, drought etc. where they have never occurred before?

Possibly mass damage to properties.

some people are cool they say sadarji and respect sikhs but at the same time they hate indians and call indian girls cheap :s

Be careful, the use of the term 'sardar ji' is often ironic and a way to get people's guard down.

Many paks resent the fact that they were once ruled by a people that they generally perceive as simple-minded, backwards, rustic pendus whose girls they only see as an opportunity for a 'good time'.

It's an ugly truth sadly. Don't fall for flattery.

you came across a little sarky ...sorry

lol...no problems, maybe I didn't express myself clearly?

I think me and you are prone to cross wires anyway, so we have to be careful. If I'm ever being sarky, I'd probably be blatant with it.

Going back to the thread: given modern research on cannabinoids and other anecdotal evidence, maybe those purtaan Singhs were ahead of the curve when it came to understanding and using naturally occurring, plant based remedies?

O_o I wasn't referring to rape. The conversation at the time of my quote was around teenage rebellion and disobeying parents.

Even then, the argument is potentially flawed. You don't hear sullay complaining about teenager rebellion like it is normal.

There is no equivalent in Sikh society in the Panjab either.

I've heard a prominent white educationalist here in the UK say outright that they feel 'teenage rebellion' is more of a cultural construct (i.e. western) than some innate process young people go through.

I think that this may well be true.

PS - What kind of buffoon plays Bollywood films at home?

I watched this vid yesterday and came away thinking if they can make their own daughters accept the kool-aid then why do we feel our girls wouldn't since they versed neither in sikhi or the quran

What do you mean by kool-aid?

They were still fighting in the 1700s ...

Yeah, and some of the cannabis derived compounds in sukha that they used at this time (as per Panth Prakash) might have been imbibed medicinally rather than for recreational purposes. That's all I'm saying.

I think naam and birrass would be many times more effective for dealing with anxiety

Be that as it may, it still doesn't explain why prominent respected Singh warriors took the substance in the 18th century.

I was just making a suggestion that goes beyond simplistic and frankly puerile thinking that sees it as 'recreational' drug use.

honestly do you not get conversation happens between people and rumours spread :blink2:

I think I'm losing the thread of this convo. lol

I think these scare stories are actually purposefully told as anti-Sikh propaganda, because lets be frank. If paks weren't preconditioned like they were, they'd probably love us to bits. I think they make any old crap up myself.

I get your point about chinese whispers from Hari Singh Nalua's time, but I personally think the stories come more from the partition period.

I think we may have crossed wires somewhere?

I don't know if this is related but studies are showing that their are certain compounds in cannabis that can combat cancer and also regulate electrical impulses in the brain.

Everyone cries about the intoxicating effects of THC (tetrahydrocannabinoid) but it also contains other cannabinoids such as CBD which has the opposite effect of THC and is thought to help with schiziophrenia and anxiety; which would have been potential issues with the relentless and brutal warfare our ancestors faced.

Just throwing that out. Modern strains of 'weed' are abnormally high in THC due to selective breeding and using artificial light (stronger stuff sells better apparently). If puratan Singhs did put ganga in sukh-nidhaan, maybe this is why? Maybe it was the CBD not THC they were getting the benefits from?

Just throwing it out there.

Stroke one's moustache menancingly, forcibly curling the ends upwards, all the while not breaking eye contact with the girl in question. Intersperse the above with the occasional one-handed beard stroke. That's usually a great way of letting a girl know she's caught the eye.

Do the above whilst doing the menacing pendu laugh.....

These guys saying that were Panjabi not Pathaan.

not really must have come over with the Talibanis from Afghanistan , all those scary stories about Hari Singh Nalwa must have fired up their imaginations

These are things I heard over a decade ago. Before Afghans started coming over. Afghans don't see us as any threat or natural enemies in the way paks do in my experience.

While we r on the topic of wat muslims really think about sikhs, has any1 heard this stupid dumb rumour that 'when a sikh kills a muslim, he has to cut his hair"? Ive seen this written many times by half cuts on youtube,n a gorah about decade back told me had heard this. Also a troublemakin gangu, wrote this on this forum few weeks back. Wheres this bakwaas originated from?

No but I have heard that Sikhs have to dip their hair in Muslim blood.

And that the kirpan we score prasad with has Muslim blood on it.

Ultimately, it appears as if a lot (not all) paks raise their kids with terrifying scare stories about Sikhs.

Is it really surprising?

Interesting stuff jkv.

A part of me feels that the second generation are charting new, unexplored territory in terms of child rearing practices as current practices are so radically different from how our parent(s) raised us. Those beatings were a bit too much .....lol

What Jkv bhenji mentioned a few pages ago about valuing girls as much as boys is essential in issues such as these. Of course, some take it to the extreme and let their children become mini dictators and actually consult the child in major household decisions (unheard of a few years ago), but that's crazy as it sends the wrong signals to a child that his or her parents are clueless. Nurture and include female children as you would males. It sounds like something not even worth mentioning.

What's happened now though is that people are paranoid as heck - and for understandable reasons too. Especially if you're in a sullah dominated area. As a consequence it's hard not to be (possibly overly) protective of girls.

I know man!!

I'm growing veggies in the UK and the weather is CRAZY!!

Totally different to the last few years.

Every Muslim I've ever met say they are perplexed as to why Sikhs seem to have so much hatred of them when they themselves like Sikhs and see us as brothers against hindu india. I've met radical Taliban types who tell me they are in awe of the Sikhs when they see us walking around with our dastars while their fellow Muslims are afraid to follow their hadiths and wrap a turban around their head.

I think they might be making a fool of you. They do that. They know that 'sardars' egos can be very easily massaged.

But the point is all those hormones you mentioned are released in platonic love between child and family too ,

I don't know about this jkv. Sure, some overlap exists but the powerful (evolutionary driven) force that comes from physical (read sexual) attraction that is usually an extra force in the early stages of grooming cases brings in another completely separate dimension. BUT, I hear what you are saying when the root cause of the victims behaviour stems from lack of belonging and bonding with the family and wider community.

when we read bani , jap naam , if Girls and boys were hugged and praised for being worthwhile humans whilst you are training them in Sikhi it would be more than enough for them to realise that there is so much unconditional love from Guru ji and Sikh family that they wouldn't feel inner lack .

That is true, but again, physical attraction can twist their heads. Especially when you've got no idea of what hit you, which is often the case in conservative Sikh families who shy away from facing or talking about these things. I think the situation has improved a bit with the 3rd generation though.

I think the biological arguments are fine but we have intellect and internal morals to counteract that, there are many girls I'm sure in the past who may have felt something for someone but then dropped it without actioning anything because there was no point and they've gone on to marry a suitable person and had a happy loving life. So it's motivation to stop that needs addressing in our kids .

Good point!

Now its about the differences between those who stopped and those that didn't. Self-restraint or delayed gratification plays some part in this I think? And you talk about intellect but it doesn't seem like we humans have this in equal amounts. But then you hear of very well educated apneean, top achievers in school/uni get roped up in this.

What's that all about?

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Interesting!

Do you think explaining things using science like this might help the girls to see through the feelings they are having due to chemicals? Or are they too powerful?

By this I mean forewarning them. Explaining how this happens before they 'fall head over heels'. I think once they go - the chances of seeing straight drastically diminish.

I think also we ignore the play of ego in the scenario as well. I noticed a lot of victims feel like the people trying to warn them are jealous of them (and enjoy this in some way?)