dallysingh101

By religious do you mean one whose parents happen to be religious or one who herself is also religious(one who does daily Nitnem, keeps Panj Kakaari Rehit etc) because both are not the same. Very often we see a family who is religious yet children don't keep Rehit(no Daily Nitnem, No Kakkars). Because most girls from religious families are really no different from regular Sikh girls i.e. they don't do Nitnem nor keep Rehit. I'm not saying no Rehitvaan girl will go astray some may very well go, but their chances of going astray greatly get reduced if they are Nitnemi. Doing Nitnem everyday means you are washing your mind with AmritMaee Bani daily. Only way to stop the tide of Kalyug is Rehit and Gurbani Nitnem. This is the precautionary measure, remedy and solution that our Guru Sahib has given us to such problems.

I think it is more complicated than that. Although I do get your point and people keeping nitnem and truly pursing union with Akal Purakh are awesome. But I think those that keep up practice more down to family habits/pressure and upbringing rather than internal, personal conviction are susceptible too. I don't even want to get into this in any detail.

Experience has taught me that labeling or perceiving victims of grooming as coming from a particularly non-religious background is a fool's game, and one too many apnay like to play.

it happens but they hide it ..the pakis abuse their own figures have it at about 30-50% of muslim girls have been abused prior to marriage , afterwards God only knows . The christian girls try to get help but get labelled slags by the police possibly even getting abused by them too, Hindus hide the disgrace ...Then there are those who fall hook line and sinker that Islam is better for them than the other 'corrupt' dharams they came from ...Self-knowledge and greater self-respect are the cure and more attention and love from family from a young age means they wont look outside for attention so much.

You are right. A close female friend of mine told me about a couple of Pak girls who had been abused by someone in their family (that she had met in uni up north many years ago). The community hide it by quickly marrying them off to cousins. Being insular (inbred) like that has its advantages sometimes as people pull together to hide the so-called 'family shame'. What she told me was a bit weird because the girl first turned lesbian and then years later got religious and married some black Muslim guy who had a bunch of other wives??

Are girls naturally attracted to older men?

Yes they are. Older guys often seem more mature and stable to them than the young immature boys around them. Plus most youngsters like to act and think of themselves as grown up when they are teenagers. And people develop crushes. I think it is some biological thing that is designed to keep the population up.

You know, I got to say it, but I'm recalling my teenage days you know it was so easy to go gaga over someone you found attractive and lose your senses. When you feel attracted like that, all logic flies out of the window. It is genuinely like being on a powerful drug that totally alters how you see and feel things. And it does have a chemical basis with hormones like oxytocin getting to work.

Big Tera is right - it is VERY easy for a man to potentially groom a naive young girl. I worked as a teacher with teenagers for a bit. I know how stupid they can be. Girls are very competitive with each other over guys. I think when they are young they like to test to see what kind of bloke they can attract (they might not even be doing this consciously). Couple this with some seedy older kaam filled bloke who detests the girls religious/racial roots. We know what happens.

Another point. I dated a Greek girl for a short while years ago. She was a teacher too. She used to tell me that a few of her teenage Muslim students would get shocked when she told them about me being a Sikh. She told me that they said things like:

"They bath in blood"

"They like to kill Muslims"

Generally that we are evil vicious people.

So I'm thinking that a lot of sulliaan are conditioned from a young age to mistrust Sikhs (and others I imagine). But on the other hand we see plenty of daughters of white, black hating men go out and date and marry black men etc. etc. or apneean from staunchly anti-sullah families go off with paks.

Just thinking out loud guys.

I think we all know the true solution to the problem. AT least blokes do.

But it has a really heavy price.

It's simply hunting down the perpetrators and dealing violence to those who do this. Consistently.

That's why these predators target us - they feel that no one will do anything of consequence in response.

But we've become so successful as a community that streetwise, tough bundhay are increasingly hard to find. And it will mean prison time for a fair bunch of lads.

It's sad but I don't think much else will work.

We're in country that has harboured paedos/abusers amongst their highest ranks (i.e. government) and amongst prominent media figures. The police have consistently covered up the abuse of both white girls and apneean.

I mean look at this:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-knew-grooming-gangs-were-9518461

These people are simply not remotely afraid of us anymore and they've realised that the police are more likely to side with them than us.

Do people feel that progress has been made? Are our people (especially young girls) a bit more clued up about this now?

This isn't to try and put it all on the girls btw because there have been a fair few retarded apnay who've pretty much 'delivered' girls to their Pak friends. Especially in areas they dominate like East London.

I know people have been trying to highlight this within the panth since the 80s. I saw a lot, especially in uni during the 90s.

Is the message getting through? These days I see apneean in goray areas and it's weird how they like to throw the fact that they are creeping around in your face when you pass by. They look REALLY pleased with themselves, like they are winning! lol

And jkv bhen ji, I've seen girls from quite religious backgrounds do this too. So it isn't always down to lack of upbringing or familiarity with the faith?

Again I'm wondering, given decades of activity by groups like SP and now SAS as well as all the media coverage, are our people awake now or are they still walking around asleep?

First thing, jkv and the other brother whose sister was targeted.

My heart goes out to you. It is really heartening to see how you're dealing with this head on. We've been sweeping this issue under the rug for too long and this had made things even worse.

I'd like to share some my own experiences (more like frustrations actually).

People talked about groomers using flattery to entrap their victims. I've seen a fair few cases of this.

But from my experience no talking to, or explaining patiently to a young girl ever seems to work (or it does but VERY rarely). I (and many people I know) have seen so many young Sikh girls actually getting off on the whole rebellious thing in this respect, that many people have given up on even trying to warn them.

Even Singhs going to the family house and telling the parents hasn't worked.

It appears as if the girl's mind is made up and nothing can change it.

I would like to think that today, given all the media outpouring, maybe apneean would be a bit more careful, but then I find that so many Sikh girls are really gullible and naive that they continually fall for the same old strategies. It's like the girls can't see through the attention - and the efforts of other Sikhs to try and warn them becomes a part of the fun.

I don't see this in other communities like I see it in ours, why?