bump, check out the OP if you haven't already. 

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It's mostly kaleh and sul who are in the drug dealing business here. However the Afghan Sikhs are definitely involved, using their shops as fronts but they're not the violent type. 

Exactly, they are higher up the food chain. It's a business for them, and not some lifestyle choice like it is with certain rural apnay who absolutely love the noteriety. At least the Afghans are doing it discreetly. Imagine if apnay were killing each other in droves here, over deals like in Canada!!! I don't know how on earth kau89r8 has come to her conclusion about apnay here? If anything, we are perceived as relatively 'lulloo'. Hell, even paks in the UK who are heavily involved in 'juggling' aren't offing each other like wealthy young apnay are over in canuck land.  

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Southall is mostly a lawless place, people don't follow traffic rules at all and pedestrians are just as bad, just walking into the middle of roads while cars are driving, no one has any patience whatsoever. 

Hmmmm...where does that remind me of........

On 7/12/2023 at 5:27 PM, realist17 said:

But history is history. I just hate the fact that some European countries cover <banned word filter activated> up. Guess its true the winners always have the last say. 

But we're living in the information age, and have a level of unrestricted communication that is absolutely unprecedented compared to only a few decades ago. So the chance of the truth becoming known is higher than ever.  

Also, we can see how the whole colonialist narrative is being robustly challenged from many quarters (globally too), like never before. 

On 7/14/2023 at 2:38 PM, Kau89r8 said:

 

 Jewish comparison (which i used to all the time say this model we should follow) make me laugh now. Jews are smart. Its in their genetics.  Poooonjabis are not. They collectively work on similar goals and very united esp on israel. You won't see Jews throwing other Jews other the bus like fellow Sikhs do. Too many difference opinions politics backstabbers. We could take a note and instead protesting every weekend excel in business STEM etc or else we are known for jumping up and down.

I wonder where we get that from.......hint...bwaaaahhh!!

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Not if it ever happens it WILL.. 5-10 yrs. My moms pind last remaining generation of my nana nani and gone young middle age are also dead or abroad. You have these huge kothis built empty families residing in the West but their kids are not interested mona too.

You can expect the older generation to die off, it's not anything unnatural. Plus also, I'm not shocked that most of the people raised abroad don't want to settle back there or avoid even looking after property/land - you know how cut throat it is out there - your own family will do you first.   Plus we aren't the only ones, I was talking Rajasthani doctor recently, she said the same, she had her father's property back home, and has to try and sell it as none of the grown up kids were interested in it.   

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All outsiders bhaiya UP army wives taken over non jatts .

I don't know what this is supposed to mean?

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Rather live loner too out there because too much toxicity and fakers larping gangster killing you for zameen drugs etc.

Do we have anyone to blame for this but ourselves? 

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Generally speaking in Canada/UK Panjabi populated areas Surry Brampton have bad rep. Always in news wrong things. Apne killing apne. No wander any chance get Sikhs move to gora areas.

I don't think the UK has gone anywhere near Canadian levels with the drug related apna on apna killings. I didn't think our rep was that bad here? Okay, we might not be known for being the brightest sparks, but I think other communities reps are infinitely more stained than ours along those lines you are alluding too. Not that that means we shouldn't strive to improve still.  

On 7/6/2023 at 6:32 PM, realist17 said:

We probably have India since Sikhism is pretty influential amongst a lot of the Indian regions

Thing is, I don't think it as remotely influential in its birthplace as it needs to be, that's one of the big issues  

On 7/3/2023 at 2:35 AM, realist17 said:

I do think about Sikh rule but it's not going to happen through Khalistan. It will take time to adopt to diplomatic thinking and rule. It seems like a lot of these political players are clever folks which hate to say but we have to adopt to this mindset?

I think we need to be thinking about ruling in India itself. By this I mean spreading Sikhi/SIkh culture throughout the land. Political influence. I don't mean trying to make everyone amritdhari or even keshdhari by this, but a proliferation of Sikh culture throughout the land. Supplanting previous dharams with Sikhi. 

I think we've long been on some strange trajectory where apnay have (stupidly) confused their Sikhi heritage with their (in my opinion lesser) Panjabi cultural one, especially the rural variant. This has stifled us to no end, and prevented our growth and development in my opinion. That rural Panjabicentric worldview doesn't have the required globalist perspective for expansion.   

To me it looks like this prophesy from Panth Parkash is coming true?

Indo-Russian joint venture begins manufacturing of Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles: Rostec

An Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces. Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited plans to ensure 100 per cent localisation of the production of AK-203 rifles in India. In future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said  ..
 

What to make of this???

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/india-israel-arms-trade-numbers

2 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Paet of the allure of drugs is that it is forbidden and exotic. Magic mushrooms grow in the UK yet very few locals eat them. 

Good point. But that might be the situation in the cities? I don't know how the indigenous pendus of the UK treat these or if they use them more? I suspect they do.  I know when I have encountered some of these native pendu types, some of them have mentioned using these mushrooms like it was part of growing up where they lived. Also, city people have long been conditioned to be wary of picking mushrooms because so many are poisonous, and wouldn't be able to identify the 'magic ones' from those that would injure them, which would play a big part. 

Also, I think back home they don't take them 'recreationally' as an 'experience' like many middle class whites seem to do in the west, but rather to numb themselves from reality? I agree with imho though, if people back home insist on taking substances, they'd be  better off taking cannabis than a lot of the other harder stuff they take. 

Interestingly, a compound in these mushrooms (psilocybin ) is also being looked at for medicinal use in treating various psychological issues. Do a search, there is a lot out there:

Psilocybin, the psychedelic compound found in magic mushrooms, helps to “open up” depressed people’s brains, even weeks after use, a study has found.

These are the findings of a new analysis of brain scans from close to 60 people receiving treatment for depression, led by Imperial College London’s Centre for Psychedelic Research. The team behind the study believes it may have untangled how psilocybin exerts its therapeutic effects on the brain.

Psilocybin is one of a number of psychedelics being explored as a potential therapy for psychiatric disorders. Several studies have trialled a synthesised form of the drug to treat patients with depression and anxiety, with promising results. 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/235514/magic-mushroom-compound-increases-brain-connectivity/

2 hours ago, realist17 said:

I don't know how you look at this but that last one is one of us if Indian news agencies are all up on this. We just got to be the biggers ones you can say.

I might have the details wrong, but the last one looked like he walked into a packed wedding of known 'gangsta' families, and was shot dead outside the hall?  This stuff doesn't seem uncommon in those circles in canada? 

https://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/punjab-origin-gangster-shot-dead-at-wedding-reception-in-canada-4075016

In contrast, the others seem overtly political in comparison. 

Plus, I'm not remotely surprised by any of this. If the 'gorment' back home were already using outside military advisors for their 'ops' way back in the 80s (the SAS and how they were solicited for advice on how to attack Darbar Sahib). To my mind, it would be obvious that they would also take advice and gain insights from other orgs in the same way. Seeing as india has long been trading with israel for guns, it doesn't take any stretch of the imagination to fathom that they might have made a condition to get mossad style training or expertise as part of the trade deal. Also, being a bigger global player than ever now, and actually having (at least)  indirect access to various experienced mercenary orgs would also enable them to conduct or sanction such 'hits'. 

I know K'stanis, they can be very insular and averse to change or reflection or internal constructive criticism, in a way that is very cultish.      My point is, if one side has been successfully developing their strategies, alliances, stock-piles and expertise, and the other reverting to sloganeering and insularity, we're going to have a mismatched contest. 

Edit - My last sentence above was a gross understatement, if it is like I'm suggesting, we wouldn't have a 'mismatched contest' but rather, we'd have a situation akin to someone shooting fish in a barrel.  

Effects on Parkinsons:

16 hours ago, realist17 said:

These guys are reporting events in our community before our Punjabi News agencies itself. 

1. Ripudaman Singh Malik (shot)

2. Hardeep Singh Nijjar (shot)

3. Avtar Singh Khanda (dead-natural circumstances but theres speculation he was poisoned)

4. Amanpreet Singh Samra (shot)

Whilst the others are clearly political, the last one seems like some internal street type thing?

In any case, you're right, someone seems to be 'cleaning up' and doing professional jobs too?  

What, no comments on the video by anyone?  

23 hours ago, realist17 said:

You can't really blame them. I agree, we Sikhs deserve our own country but we have to work on ourselves individually. We have to aim for the status of Maharaja Bhupinder Singh but still keep our Guru in our minds. This is no easy task. 

I don't know. Look where we are now, more caste ridden than ever. Lots of one-up-manship being done on each other. Cohesion is low. 

More people would rather watch movies about flying juts or be into bhangra than develop themselves intellectually, or learn about their Sikhi heritage beyond surface level.  

I don't think countries are 'deserved' myself. They either get sort of given away because of some geo-political quirk (like ex-slave colonies for example), or are taken. 

People who want to establish a country who don't want to do the ground work of unifying the future citizens and moving towards the objective in a meaningful and constructive way aren't likely to be successful in my opinion.  

I think this is well worth watching. Note that the subject of the documentary is an academic and not some pot head.  

4 hours ago, realist17 said:

Just do your thing brother. Khalra gave a speech here in Toronto which was inspiring but we still have apnay yelling: "Khalistan". 

Funny you bring that up. I'd been thinking about Khalra recently, and the famous speech of his which I saw when I was uni a few decades ago. It was life changing for me. Made me active.   

I don't think many apnay took his message on board though?

On 6/21/2023 at 3:13 PM, realist17 said:

I agree. We can't believe what the media writes these days but when a someone gets killed for speaking up then it becomes a problem. 

I hear you, but also, I think (how it looks to me anyway), that our people (and others) are potentially being manipulated through media misinformation of a strange type. 'Facts' are thrown about that are simply some sort of sensationalist media tags (like the AN94 example), and lumpen sections of people seem prone to jump on this and be misled. That's why more than ever, a healthy dose of scepticism is in order.