Sukhvirk1976

2 hours ago, genie said:

I was going to post him the commandments but she/he obviously doesn't want to make the effort to research.

I would advise all Sikhs on this forum to not reply to Sukhvirk1976 who is an obvious anti-sikh punjabi atheist troll hell bent on causing mischief with nonsensical arguments.

He/she got exposed the other time in the quality controlled account peddling the same anti-sikh liberal far leftist nonsense and now made a new account to carry on thinking he/she wont get found out.

You just talk nonsense. I see a commonality amongst most big mouth bigots, attack attack attack but as soon as someone demonstrates there hypocrisy and points out how shallow there knowledge is. 

If you were going to quote the hukumnama or even knew first hand how did you get it so wrong... Your a Fraud, the genie is out the bottle 

2 hours ago, genie said:

I was going to post him the commandments but she/he obviously doesn't want to make the effort to research.

I would advise all Sikhs on this forum to not reply to Sukhvirk1976 who is an obvious anti-sikh punjabi atheist troll hell bent on causing mischief with nonsensical arguments.

He/she got exposed the other time in the quality controlled account peddling the same anti-sikh liberal far leftist nonsense and now made a new account to carry on thinking he/she wont get found out.

What a joke 

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

Hukam 38 :

Sir munae noo kanaiaa nahee daenee. Uos ghar daeve jithae Akal Purukh dee sikhee ha, jo karza-ai naa hovae, bhalae subhaa da hovae, bibaekee atae gyanvaan hovae|
Do not given a daughter's hand in marriage to a shaven one. Give her to a household where the Undying divine personification Akal purakh and tenets of Sikhism are respected, to household without debt, of a pleasing nature, which is disciplined and educated.

 

and a couple  for you:

Hukam 22:

Dhan, javaanee, tae kul jaat da abhiman naee karnaa (Nanak daadak tahe duae goath. Saak guroo Sikhan sang hoath)|

Do not be proud of riches, youthfulness or lineage. (Regardless of maternal and paternal caste or heritage, all of the Guru's Sikhs are siblings of one family.)

Hukam 25:

Budh bal da daataa vaheguroo noo jaananaa|

Appreciate intellect and power as gifts of the all knowing wondrous Enlightener.

 

lose the sneering tone if you really want people to engage you

Don't throw stones if you live in glass houses 

Some people are all talk and no substance 

Just now, genie said:

http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/profile/45987-sukhvirk76/

Why you creating new accounts to escape quality control?

And sikhi according to you is mocking the commandments of Guru Ji and allowing interfaith Sikh marriages/relationships? 

And now your posting like an hysterical woman post after post after post. Calm down dear you cant escape, your exposed now.

 

Lol.

You can't even substantiate anything you have said.. You have falsely  referenced a hukumnama and attributed something to Guru gobind Singh Ji, dashmesh pita.. Shame on you.. Your worse than ram rai 

The wording of your reference is totally wrong which demonstrates the respect you have for the words of Guru sahibs. 

Better to post as a woman than as a half baked fake.. You shook? 

I tell you what let's go back to basics.. Since you are a authority on things can you please provide me with a reference number of the hukumnama you are talking about and a link to it.. 

Forgive me for assuming that you probably have never done your own research 

Lol.. Frantically searches Wikipedia.. Genie is out of the bottle lol 

Run 

On 2017-6-5 at 9:19 PM, genie said:

kids they got muslim names. I feel sorry for the kids it must be embarrassing having a mom like that.

Muslim names.. Hahaha 

From someone who is self named "genie" from the Arabic story of 1001 nights.. Jinn

How ridiculous lol

Some people don't know sikhi if it came and slapped them in the face 

Just now, genie said:

Just as I thought...spoken like a true non-sikh.

Go read up on the 52 commandments of Guru Gobind Singh Ji....find the one that is talking about Sikh daughters then come back to me if you think I'm wrong.

Hahaha 

You're the one who made the claim.. Show me where you get your assertion from.. 

Don't worry I don't expect you will because you can't, because you're lazy and can't think or understand the importance of being concise (shudh). Jog on 

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.. So I've heard #justsaying

You obviously have no respect for the tropes and values you so hide behind.. If you did you wouldn't make such lazy comments 

Just now, genie said:

http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/profile/45987-sukhvirk76/

This you right? The same he/she that was wetting them-self with sheer idiocy as you put it because you got called out for promoting inter-faith relationships and mocking Guru Ji's commandments against such relationships.

Hahaha.. can you even quote a commandment? Come on let's see how far your intellect takes you.. Isn't it ironic that you call yourself 'genie'? Shall I pretend  I'm Aladdin lol 

Just now, genie said:

Arent you meant to be on quality control?

Wasnt your last account placed in quality mode for mocking one of the 52 commandments of guru gobind singh ji stating a sikh daughter should only be giving to another sikh?

 

it would help if you constructed a coherent question.. 

Are someone mocked 'one of the 52' (interesting mix between numerals and words) commandments (are you talking about hukumnana? )  stating "a Sikh daughter should only be giving to another Sikh" what exactly is a Sikh (if you are going to quote hukumnana then atleast try and be 'Shudh') ?  If you gonna step up raise your game 

4 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

QUESTION! Is this what we as Sikhs have come down to? To ridicule other's cause whom they're married to? AND to ridicule/ call them names behind keyboards?

Good question? It seems like It's far easier to sit and condemn people who have no material relevance to our lives.. Rage against a non-existent threat.. Rather in the imagined defense of the quam people undermine and degenerate the beliefs they think they are supposed to be upholding. Ironic isn't it 

40 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

You're being rather selective and economical with the reality on a few of the above points, Sukh. If I have time later on I'll address these points. I make no promises, though.

But generally, Islamic conquests are known to have devastated the irreplaceable literary and educational inheritance of the various Classical civilisations, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria being a prime example. Historical revisionists, albeit prominent and pervasive in modern academic circles, have perpetuated the myth that the Islamic conquests heralded a golden age of discovery and learning. As I said previously, any advancements made by Islamic scholars were inspite of Islam, not because of it.

They certainly encouraged and patronised scholars of the sciences at first, but the atmosphere and environment under which these Islamic committees decided who and what was deemed worthy of sponsorship was one of repression and fear, in terms of ensuring any discoveries of knowledge and advancements that were permitted to survive had to fit the pre-existing Islamic theological narrative. Any contradictions of Islamic theology that came about from these academic pursuits were predictably suppressed and destroyed. It was hardly the picture of an open and all-encompassing love of knowledge and discovery that revisionists seem to relish in painting. Does that sound like a non-discriminatory quest for Truth and knowledge to you?

When the Islamic marauders would sack one of these great seats of learning after conquering the relevant city, the question asked by the individuals who were tasked with destroying these irreplaceable texts created by these once great classical civilisations would be, "What do we keep and what do we destroy?" The answer was always, "Anything that isn't found in the Quran is false, therefore is surplus to requirements." Thus would begin the destruction of irreplaceable texts and knowledge the loss of which can still be felt to this very day.

What could an illiterate pedophilic warlord possibly have elucidated during his schizophrenic episodes of "revelation" that could equal the civilisation-defining works of Aristotle or Plato? How to wash out semen and blood stains from clothing? I can't speak for you, Sukh, but I'd have preferred to read the destroyed second book of Aristotle's Poetics, but of course everyone has their preferences.

I happen to agree with very much of what you have said.. However I don't agree with the assertion that the behavior of the marauding, expansionists means that the political manifestations of Islamic dogmatism is in any way intrinsic to Islam.. Surely that is what guru gobind Singh Ji reminds aurangzeb of in zafarnama 

16 hours ago, BhForce said:

OK, don't I feel stupid. You had me going there.

You might want to used a /sarc tag next time, because on the Internet, it's extremely hard to discern sarcasm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

I really quite enjoyed that exchange 

1 hour ago, genie said:

In other words what I had just said, there is no argument from me.

It is not islam that discovered those scientist, music and cultural things it was middle eastern arabs & persians. But islamists will try to claim anything good or beautiful for islam and anything negative on non-islamic stuff. Thats just how they are

Hang on a minute.. This comment is ridiculous on a number of levels.. 

1. The islamists who you apparently rage against are not the same as people who are Islamic and proud of the scientific achievements that came under and flourished within the intellectual pursuits that Islamic theology fostered. 

2. Islamic scholars pursued sciences because in the early days of Islam the pursuit of truth was a noble ideal 

3. Islamists in the modern context within which you are employing the term reject the scientific pursuits and achievements of historical Arab intellectuals 

4. Your whole sentence is also wrong because they did not develop existing traditions of Arab and Persian scholars but actually, they were largely influenced by Greek philosophy such as Socrates, Aristotle etc.. 

Your prejudice demonstrates your lack of willing to get to the facts or even scratch beneath the surface. 

On 2017-6-1 at 7:32 AM, Akalifauj said:

Interesting troll, can you provide evidence Pir Baba Bhudda Shah and Mian Mir were Muslims?

Lol the mind boggles 

@jkvlondon Moreover what I find particularly interesting is that no where in bani or any writings of sikh scholars Muhamed is spoken of as a rapist.. Why would guru nanak dev ji travel to mecca, (if you believe that sakhi) if he thought Muhamed was a rapist, why would guru arjun Dev Ji invite a follower of a rapist Mian Mir to lay the foundation at Harmandir Sahib, why would guru gobind Singh Ji keep relations with Pir Baba bhuddu shah if he followed such people? 

Can you please address this issue? 

On 2017-5-30 at 9:12 PM, jkvlondon said:

When the Banu Nadir were expelled from Medina in 625, her family settled in Khaybar, an oasis near Medina.^[3] Her father and brother went from Khaybar to join the Meccan and Bedouin forces besieging Muhammad in Medina during the Battle of the Trench. When the Meccans withdrew Muhammad besieged the Banu Qurayza. After the defeat of the Banu Qurayza in 627 Safiyya's father, a long-time opponent of Muhammad, was captured and executed by the Muslims.^[4]

In 627 or early in 628, Safiyya married Kenana ibn al-Rabi, treasurer of the Banu Nadir; she was about 17 years old at that time

In May 629, the Muslims defeated several Jewish tribes (including the Banu Nadir) at the Battle of Khaybar. The Jews had surrendered, and were allowed to remain in Khaybar on the provision that they give half of their annual produce to the Muslims. The land itself became the property of the Muslim state.^[6] This agreement, Stillman says, did not extend to the Banu Nadir tribe, who were given no quarter.^[7] Safiyya's husband, Kenana ibn al-Rabi, was also killed.

the three days Mohammed stayed in her town all the tribe's men were killed including her brothers husband and uncles  then Mo consummated his 'marriage ' to Safiyya but his companions were unsure if she was to be treated as a slave or 'mother of the believers' . She was pressured to convert but still was viewed with mistrust by Mohammed and openly insulted and mocked by the other wives. I wonder why 

You very easily reaffirmed your thoughts on the first part of the question but what about the second? 

How do you resolve in your logic Mian Mir etc.. 

Don't worry I don't expect a response, it would require khoj 

On 2017-5-30 at 11:01 PM, BhForce said:

 

You know what's interesting is that those same left-wingers also have it as an article of faith that any woman who alleges rape is to be believed and not to be questioned in any way. E.g., Hillary Clinton tweeted:

Hillary Clinton  @HillaryClinton
Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported. hrc.io/SexualAssault 5:09 PM - 22 Nov 2015

And so, when this girl says this scum said what he did, she should be completely believed, right? Shouldn't be a need for a video, right? The hypocrisy of leftist Islamophiles, both within and outside of our faith, will astound.

I'm trying to work out what your point is.. Pretty confused I reckon 

1 hour ago, acsap said:

I guess nothing is a secret for Hindus, they know everything.  However, they don't know that Hindus like tytler and sajjan have killed thousands of innocent Sikhs.  Apparently, Hindus can be trained in India to kill Sikhs!

What a ridiculous nonsensical statement.. Of absolutely no value and adding nothing to the discussion.. 

The ignorance of some people makes them see enemies everywhere.. 

Firstly the soldiers and police operating in panjab included many who were Sikh.. Kps Gill 

Secondly tytler and sajjan didn't kill thousands of Sikhs, rather they facilited, oversaw and directed the pogroms in which mobs killed Sikhs in Delhi. 

Thirdly what is your point? Even many of the militants themselves have spoken about going to Pakistan and training, bomb making etc.. 

It's not even controversial, I'm not even criticising it from the perspective of revolutionary activism.. 

Do you have a alternative narrative of how those people developed specialised knowledge 

Seriously how incoherent can someone be 

14 hours ago, genie said:

Do you have direct evidence that babbar khalsa amoung others had pakistani ISI training? So far I have only read hearsay they did but no one has produced any credible evidence of the case. They did have smuggled in arms from pakistan that is true and that was done at the behest of American CIA and their Pakistani ISI allies against Soviet Union allied India.

Well I think most khalistani militants were always very frank about the fact that they went over the border to train.. It's hardly a secret.. Where did and who did train and arm,.?