On 1/24/2019 at 1:52 PM, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

No it's not. Read the article. It's a Hindu religious bhajan (that just happened to be gandhi's favourite Hindu religious bhajan).

So.....let me re-phrase my opening statement in a way that many of you will be able to understand:  

By direct order of the government - every kid in Punjab (Sikh and Hindu) must start the day at school by singing a sacred hymm of Hinduism.

Must.....by direct order.  Think about that for one moment. Let it sink in.

Exactly it has nothing to do with gandhi.. The real issue is how is the government allowed to dictate this! If it is true.. Which requires further verification for me. Totally believable by the bjp but still requires verification 

1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

@Sukhvirk1976 dont mind him.  He is here only to cast doubt on clearly laid out beliefs Sikhs have.  He wants to take a p1ss on our belief system in the name of hes got nothing else better to do in life.  Hes sitting behind his desktop going...Let's go on a forum where Sikhs are discussing their Community issues and Gurbani and make a mockery of them.  Yea, I'm the tough guy now.  I can't go after terrorists who rape, murder, groom innocent people cuz I am scared they will really hurt me.  Track me down and beat me till I say, i accept Islam.  No am I going after the peaceful Sikhs who help others.  I'm going to show them.

Dude as you wrote that did the irony not slap you in the face.. I'm guessing you tapped out that msg in between tackling "terrorists who rape, murder, groom innocent people" 

Do me a favour.. It's not your belief system that you are talking about.. If it was only your own delusions you were pontificating upon I would have no axe to grind. But you are not talking about your belief system since you don't own it. You are talking about sikhi.. And you better believe I love it just as much as you.. And if I was as so judgemental as you I would say you are the one undermining it

So let's stick to what we know. If we have questions let's ask them.. Who knows what the answer is.. We should draw upon bani, history. But we should be able to back it up.. Otherwise its just hearsay..

Fix up look sharp 

1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

@Sukhvirk1976 dont mind him.  He is here only to cast doubt on clearly laid out beliefs Sikhs have.  He wants to take a p1ss on our belief system in the name of hes got nothing else better to do in life.  Hes sitting behind his desktop going...Let's go on a forum where Sikhs are discussing their Community issues and Gurbani and make a mockery of them.  Yea, I'm the tough guy now.  I can't go after terrorists who rape, murder, groom innocent people cuz I am scared they will really hurt me.  Track me down and beat me till I say, i accept Islam.  No am I going after the peaceful Sikhs who help others.  I'm going to show them.

No mate I don't want to take the p**s out of anyone belief system.. Don't overreach and assume things about me 

1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

 

 

Your logic is too strong. We lose dude, you are too bright for us.  We have never thought about the thought provoking questions you ask ever on this site.  Forget about ever answering your simple minded ignorant post.  Did I slip up there.  My bad wise one.   How would this site ever go on without you.   Please bless us with your grace more often.  

Well it appears that you managed to something quite extraordinary. Which is not only simultaneously respond to my post and not answer the question, What was a really simple question.

But, you also managed to somehow convince yourself that you might be funny  

I'll take it you don't have any sources and confirm that you did slip up 

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

we actually have this Punjabi guy who sits in the darbar hall completely drunk out of his face, he snores really heavily while the granthi is reading paath. so sometimes the guys wake him up and carry him downstairs to the langar hall. 

we also had this homeless punjabi guy that used to come upstairs and sit in the darbar hall, he used to stink of alcohol and sometimes even swear 

Maybe you should focus on the keertan rather than him. Just saying 

5 hours ago, Redoptics said:

Is this true any Tom, <banned word filter activated> or Harry can go to the Gudwara,  there are certain Hukam that Guru Grant Gobind Singh Ji  put in place, so I disagree.

Which hukum? 

13 hours ago, GuestSingh said:

no would not be ok with it and yes there would be objections....

and before the liberal extremists start getting all angry, 'throwing their toys out the pram' crying and screaming 'racist, racist, racist....', my advise to u is try to learn to try to stop thinking like whitey all the time, mentally toughen a bit and then actually contemplate on the potential consequences to diluting identity and culture and, believe it or not, faith...

now like it or not, almost all sikhs come from the same panjabi background - and that familiarity will always carry some favour in looking out for each other, helping in times of need etc. thats an obvious advantage in todays selfish world where every other community does just that..so why cant sikhs? are we supposed to reduce our already dwindling number just to support the western perception of sikhs being 'flower-power', 'powder-puff' softies? we're already struggling enough as it is...yes there are exceptions in the name of 'community' but it still exists in small parts - being non-existent in one area doesnt mean it no longer exists anymore....

secondly, logic suggests there would be a 50% likelihood in not passing panjabi language on to children - and language is critical, as we've already learnt in the diaspora where most who cant speak it and cant be bothered to learn actually become more westernised, taking themselves further away from sikhi....so the best way to describe the importance of panjabi language, in my mind, is like comparing it to the strength of those long, pale, stalky roots that keep plants/tree stumps firmly 'connected' in soil...if anyones ever tried to dig up one of those stumps, u'll know how tough they are....so basically without those firmly-entrenched roots, that plant/tree is as good as dead and easily influenced i.e. 'moved' by whoever handles it - panjabi girls are not as mentally tough as the older generations anymore and are way more likely to be influenced by forgetting the importance of teaching their mother tongue - and thats already happened in some 'inter-faith' cases too...

other losses include certain family values, eastern values that connect us to sikhi and gurmat thinking - so where's the logic in adding western values that are mostly gonna take u away from sikhi? can someone answer that? thinking, judgement, decisions, experiences and influences...these all have a huge impact on the psyche and rationale behind how we think, talk and behave etc... so thats something else to think about....

and that brings a gd point mentioned above...

as we already know, most girls today will date and get up to no gd, all sorts of kanjarpuna etc. so whos to say she aint already fooling around with whitey/blacky before deciding to take it further with marriage? she could have got herself pregnant then aborted - and then maybe feel guilty and obliged to marry...or maybe her idea of 'love' is just sexual 'lust'...or maybe she's just a rebellious liberal whos persuaded the outsider to become a 'sikh' for the wrong reasons e.g. money, social status...

same also applies to apne bande who are any of the above - weak, liberal and selfish etc...

Just would like to point out that atleast 3 of the first khalsa singhs were born outside of the panjab 

14 hours ago, BhForce said:

First, a lot of people might be skeptical of an "instant" Sikh. But if that's not an issue,

Second, the fact that marrying a Sikh of a different race is allowed does not mean that you can date.

Dating is not allowed in Sikhism.

So the answer to your question is "No", a Sikh would not be OK with his daughter marrying a white, black, Khatri, Jatt, Ravidasia, Tamil, or whatever Sikh.

Rather the question is whether you would marry him to one of those.

Dating is not allowed in Sikhism? Please back up that assertion. 

16 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Sikhs do not have anything against inter-racial marriages.
It is the inter-faith marriages that never align with our dharam

Really? Please provide some evidence for that assertion 

On 1/20/2019 at 11:44 AM, jkvlondon said:

I did say it was my observation of the behaviour and actions of people around me , the incident of wifebeating was a neighbour two doors down , the police actually knocked on my door to get me to talk to the wife who having called the po-po refused to open the door to them  as she couldn't talk to males without permission .  The other was the end of my street and again I was there with my best friend as the husband phoned the police and lied blatantly . I knew the wife as a Mum from the playground , young and wellspoken afghani who had been totally clear about how her hubby's business frustrations were being meted out on her physically , and she had enough gumption to fight back (his shirt was torn and he had scuff marks on his face) and walked out to get away from his BS

That is not the basis to support such broad generalisations

On 1/18/2019 at 10:59 AM, jkvlondon said:

speaking from twenty years of trying to be a good neighbour to all , including watching over people's homes and letting them know iif something has happened (like the racist white dude opposite when his house alarm kept going off during the day)and seeing the blatant flouting of rules and law of the land by these people including wife beating , arguing with witnesses , lying to police about female stating she has overdosed to get her to be rounded up and brought back , boy racers meeting up and blocking the single lane to have a chat/banter , inconveniecing others. Not racism just actual real behaviours od real people.

No. It's your observation and I'm pretty sure you don't live in South Central Los Angeles.. 

Move out bro 

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

only sikhs and gujus , gujus because they are playing keeping up with Joneses ...apne because they don't want no hassles from council neighbours etc. Most muslim nationalities barring turks and croatians are fairly filthy , we have pakis (pathans and punjabi (lahore)), afghanis and bengalis  - all have created mess and antisocial vibes to their neighbours  barring the lahori family who are quiet well spoken and speak very nicely with me whenever they see me .

Racism is alive and well 

1 hour ago, GuestSingh said:

pls do not refer to guru ji as 'it'.

this always sounds disrespectful and should be an insult to sikhs.

weve been instructed to treat guru granth sahib ji as the final living - yes living - and eternal guru - thats why parkash and sukhaasan is done before they rest on manji sahib - they aint some dead, inanimate object like a book on a bookshelf so dnt brainwash ur mind with this foreign/outsider way of thinking and bad habit.

on a similar issue, does anyone else get annoyed when ppl write or say 'sggs'?

pls stop being lazy - most words u write or say aint that important that they require more effort to be written or pronounced in full over guru ji.

if any of this sounds pretentious to any of u, ask urself how much love uve got for guru ji...

Apologies 

11 hours ago, mahandulai said:

right, but what it sggs, telling us to do rn, maybe man up and start leading

Where about does it say that? 

2 hours ago, S1ngh said:

In Gurbani, a woman who becomes the “sohagan” has been referred to as “batees sulakhani” means she has thirty-two qualities, which according to Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha are:- beauty, cleanliness, modesty, humility, concord, observance of religion, intelligence, knowledge, service, compassion, truth, dedicated love of spouse, purity of mind, patience, frugality, beneficence, sobriety, chivalry, active habits, house decoration, respect of elders, proficiency in music, poetry, painting, domestic science and embroidery, respectful attention to guests, and bringing up children.

Gurbani enunciates that there is not any difference between the Man and woman. All men and women can be “Sohagan if they have the qualities necessary to please the Lord. 

Hang on a minute where in gurbani does it say that about women? The first part of your post does not fit with the second part 

1 hour ago, Guest Salafi Muslim Woman said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/canadian-tire-rehab-dughmosh-isis-admits-1.4980849

Her brother told police she wanted to join ISIS. They dropped the case. Then she attacked a Canadian Tire

 

Rehab Dughmosh, 34, admits in court she attacked in the name of ISIS, but doesn't enter a guilty plea

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Wrong place for this nonsense 

15 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

^^ Thank you. 

This advice was given to Mahraja Ranjit Singh by Akali Phoola Singh and Hari Singh Nalwa to transfer Sikh raj to Panj Piyarays. He didn't and then you see how UK looted trillions from Punjab.

 

Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee is our eternal guru. Leaders are usually important and even our Gurus put leaders in place for various things. For example; Guru Amar das jee appointed both men and woman as leader for  22 manjis he set up across the country.

Err what is your point? 

We have a leader. We have SGGSJ. We don't need anyone. 

On 1/8/2019 at 1:44 PM, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

What other Sikh girls do.

Why should it bother you ? so much.

She is not your family. Not your daughter.

She's got her own mind to make her own decisions. Just as you have yours.

Do girls make notes on what you do. Keep tabs on you. Then talk about you. Write about you. Start threads about you. Post messages about you. And then base their opinion on an entire gender of an entire religion based entirely on what they might have heard YOU do ?

Yes. It's as silly and irrational as it sounds. And yet, on this forum, it still bothers you. What Sikh girls do.

Not just bothers you. But consumes you. Eats you and destroys you. Stops you thinking straight.

You tell others that Sikhism is fantastic because unlike others it values females.

But then you turn around and lecture and judge sikh females based on what they wear and what they choose to do.

You say the bad Muslims are the ones that are a 100% strict about following their religious rules.

But then you say the good Sikhs are the ones that are 100% strict about following their religion's rules.

You say the good Muslims are the ones that are not very strict about their religion and treat all faiths and people equally.

But then you say the bad Sikhs are the ones that are not very strict about their religion and treat all faiths and people equally.

You say the worst and most evil thing ever was the fact that the British Empire had colonial rule over India.

But then you say the best and most pious thing ever was the fact that the Sikh Empire had colonial rule over the non-punjab territories and nations.

They say the anglo language, culture and national traits were largely manifested and then shaped by Shakespeare.

They say the Punjab language, culture and national traits were largely manifested and then shaped by Waris Shah.

Waris Shah wrote a character called Chacha Quaido.

Uncle Quaido. Likes to look at what females from outside his family are getting up to. Likes to judge them. Likes to judge their moral character. Bases the moral order of the whole community solely on what other females do.

Uncle Quaido is not rational. You are uncle Quaido.

Because you let it bother you. so much.

What other Sikh girls do.

Truth 

13 hours ago, BhForce said:

Well, OK, I know that Westerners date in order to find a marriage partner.

But, again, I asked him, what's the point of that date?

It's to find a marriage partner, right?

So why would he date someone that he doesn't even know is a Sikh?

It's like hiring a guy to fix your leaky faucet, and then when he shows up, you ask "by the way, are you a plumber?".

What if they are a sikh? 

5 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Nothing weird but depends on our own spiritual stages. Back in days I used to hold  sikh awareness events at my local college/ university. In fact sikhsangat was first started as to bring awareness of Sikh dharam over the Internet in 2001. Now, at such stage where I feel that I need to work on my own sikhi rather than preaching/talking outside.. 

I'm with you, I agree, it's very personal. And I to prefer to look inward.. But I think it's strange why you would feel uncomfortable having a conversation with anyone, whether they were someone of a different religion doesn't really matter does it? 

20 minutes ago, BhForce said:

That's your first problem. You do something that Guru ji said not to do, and then you wonder why you have problems.

You might as well say, "I tried to get into a pub with full prakash beard and turban and kirpan, but the bouncer didn't let me in." The problem is you're doing something you're not supposed to do.

Or, "I went to a kebab shop and they had all halal meat. What should I do?" 

If you're just talking with a girl in your class, that's one thing (especially in a group setting). "Dating" is another.

Let me just ask you: What was the point of the date?

We don't date, we just get married. If you're trying to identify marriage partners, why would you date someone you're not going to marry (a non-Sikh) in the first place?

Some people date and some people marry and some of them people are sikh.. 

So 

(and this sounds like the name of a satirical movie) 

Some Sikhs Do Date 

7 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Nice to hear. Wish you advance happy anniversary and grow together strong in coming years in spirituality. 

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger! 

6 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

religion/dharam is a very private thing. I treat my religion very close to me and i don't involve in any religion discussion with non-sikhs. I try not to go into anything except the very basics. 

That’s a bit weird?

2 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Yes 14yrs+

Our 15th anniversary next month..! 

Married for similar time. We have something in common...