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3 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

84 Lakh Joon and human life is only way to get mukti from this cycle. Being born as Sikh and rest you know.....

Why born as sikh though? I don't believe anyone is 

32 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

but modern anand karaj didn't exist before 1699, I am talking about the modern sgpc/nirankari version.

I think you have just answered your own question.. Modern anand karaj didn't exist before 1699 but it did exist 

17 minutes ago, silverSingh said:

I totally agree with you. We are so fortunate to have been born as  sikhs.

Why fortunate? 

32 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

More importantly the other religions dont have SATGURU, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji/Shabad Guru.  Hence they dont know what is religion and not.

Why are you fixating on being a part of a religion? 

Says a lot really 

9 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

I don't care what you believe.  I don't need to qualify anything to you because you are only here to distort Sikh teachings.  I will not waste my time with a person like you.  You present westernized British distorted views set to change Sikhi into something it is not.

 

You see I feel pretty much exactly like that about your pontifications. So at least we share something.. 

You have a habit of making statements and then hide behind vitriol.. It's very easy to lash out and rage much more difficult to actually substantiate through discourse any of your points. As I have said before I never expected you to provide any evidence to support your outbursts.. Although one day you may burst your own bubble.. 

On 6/22/2018 at 11:31 PM, TheeTurbanator said:

Yes, it's something that every single physical Guru did (except Siri Harkrishan Ji becuase he was literally too young). 

 

The Anand Karaj is not like the western concept of "marriage", its a contract between the couple and the Guru to live a life according to Sikhi. It has a spiritual requirement that is not met with a simple registry marriage. There is a specific reason the Guru created the Anand Karaj, and it was to put the couple on the path of Sikhi as well as to give Sikhs a distinct identity. 

Yes and that distinct identity was to transcend identity.. 

On 6/30/2018 at 5:05 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

For interfaith ppl, they can get a registry marriage. Then come do an ardaas and hukamnama at gurudwara to ask gurujis blessings. Instead of making vows to follow guruji as in anand karaj.

But sikhs should do anand karaj. Cuz its like not inviting the most important person in ur life to ur wedding. Before doing anything major, puratan rehitname say to do ardaas and ask for gurujis blessings. Its wat makes us sikh. There r 4 cermonies each sikh person should do according to rehit and they correspond to 4 stages of life. 

NaamKaran- doing ardaas after a baby is born and asking guruji to bless that child. Then taking a hukamnama. Usually ppl name the child according to the 1st letter of that hukamnama. But its up to the parents.

Vidhya sanskaar- before a child starts school. Also.do ardaas. Or before a child starts learning gurmukhi which can be before english school starts at age 3 or 4.

Anand Karaj- wedding according to sikh ceremonies and sikh rituals. In hajoori of gurusahib.

Antam sanskaar- funeral in the sikh manner. Which is bathing the body. Dressing in good clothes and panj kakaar if amritdhari. Then cremation. 

Did your parents do naam karan and vidya sanskaar for you? 

This is totally nonsensical because it would exclude people who have taken Amrit but whose parents hadn't done the first 2.?

On 5/27/2018 at 1:09 AM, ipledgeblue said:

modern 19th/20th century  Anand Karaj  ceremony was created for amrit dharis originally.

Just to point out a simple historical fact.. Anand karaj existed before Amrit sanchar so that can't be true 

On 7/4/2018 at 8:19 PM, MisterrSingh said:

So why are you so eager to cast doubt on my statement?

Checkmate? Lol 

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Haha, checkmate. Don't try and wriggle out of it!

Checkmate? Are you genuinely calling me a islamaphobe? Lol 

10 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Islamophobe.

I wouldn't have labelled you that. I thought you were being quite honest that you have moments of darkness.. I don't think you should frame your feelings like that brother

10 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It's the testosterone driven egotistical men that get things done. 

They come out because no body else does.

Going out there and taking risks when no body else does is what typically male ego testerone driven do.

You can't just wait on the sidelines for the men to do something and then jump on the bandwagon when momentum builds and complain how men dominate.

If these type of bibian  want feminine sissy boys they would be complaining about how come our men don't have a backbone. 

Wow

On 7/4/2018 at 6:55 PM, MisterrSingh said:

In my darkest moments I allow myself to entertain the notion that perhaps Muslims have the right idea when it comes to women...

Fair play at least you acknowledge it

22 hours ago, Singh559 said:

I don't agree with the hyper liberalism nonsense, but she does have a point about some men being bullies at the forefront of Sikh politics.

We need practical people. The people she's indirecting are also mixed in anti-colonial, anti-white, anti-west and Islamic interest co-opting of everything.

Don't agree with her liberal jargon, but the main point I took away from that is they are fed up with the few people who tend to bully anyone and discourage Sikh youth from engaging in Panthic issues when they see the select few vocal people are very unreasonable.

 

There are a lot of gupt Singhs who are slowly starting to realize those who speak the most and tend to claim to be representing Sikhs are doing more harm than good. It would be best to sideline all these people who prioritize their own agenda over Panthic issues.

I agree those with the loudest voices, shouting people down and not encouraging dialogue, discussion, are the ones to worry about!

14 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

This is your belief and not sikhi.  No Thanks for 20th century British distorted opinion

Care to qualify that opinion? .. Which is 'your' opinion. 

37 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

It can come across that way. Ie someone with banners and a louder speaker. Saying things in islamic. Trying to convert. Especially with their background. As genie mentioned. They are becoming more in your face with it.These days they are trying to use recent converts to attract new followers. 

I would be offended if somone tried to give me a copy of a koran especially with the gandh that it contains. 

Christians are also doing it. But we know they are nowhere nearly as bad as muslims. 

Fair enough. I always have referred to it as quran sharif.. I'm not sure i would call any religious scripture that speaks of the divine as gandh 

23 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Anyone notice an increase in muslims setting up stalls on high streets and also particulalry outside subway stations?

What are they trying to do with these stalls. Gain converts? It seems like a blatent attempt to antagonize people by showing their unwelcome presence in the public. I have seen them trying to hand out korans to people. But most people seem to avoid them. 

Why do you find it antagonistic? 

50 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

So why are you so eager to cast doubt on my statement?

I'm not I just think it would be prudent to qualify it 

13 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Langar and sarovar concept is for Sikh sangat visiting gurdwara. The person going to langar and not meeting guru sahib is not the motive. 

Yes I agree but langar as a institution is multi layered. Sitting in pangat with people of all backgrounds and doing sewa is a humbling act and if one doesn't partake in that and experience equality won't understand the message.. It was primarily aimed at higher caste Hindus and Muslim nobility who would not sit and eat with those believed to be lower than them.. 

6 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

That does not sound good if that is the case.

What's the point of going to the gurdwara if you are not going to matha tek.

It is simply good manners to have a matha tek as well as langar. 

Do you think it is a good idea for people to cover their heads in gurdwara or do you think you can find some clause which states that you do not need to do that?

I know it sounds counterintuitive but from guru nanak times taking langar in pangat was a prerequisite to guru Darshan and one could do the first without the other.. Personally I wouldn't but that is the convention 

12 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

You're smart enough to do the digging yourself. I'm not spoon feeding you.

That’s a bit lame.. Usually proffering evidence to support a proposition.. I don't know of any evidence maybe you could point me in the right direction? Or was it just a throwaway comment without any basis? 

On 6/27/2018 at 6:49 AM, Akalifauj said:

I know you will not answer my question because you are only here to be a ....  But for the sake of the topic. 

What same capacity don't other faiths have?

Other faiths don't share the principles of sikhi which is to be inclusive of other religious philosophies 

7 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

How so?

People can have langar without visiting darbar.. In fact traditionally taking langar in pangat with Sangat comes before entering darbar of guru sahib.. Not the other way round 

7 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Brother, What do you think about a drunk person would have right sense at that moment to pay respect to guru maharaj jee. These are the standards of not only our community but also widely accepted by others. 

I don't understand your point? If someone is drunk they shouldn't be allowed in to the gurdwara.. That is what I said.. 

12 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I knew you'd say that.

It's a obvious question with out any substantiation it's just here say?