puzzled

I've been to many different places of worship in India, and honestly the Gurdware are the most clean and hygienic. The sewadars at the Gurdware are much more polite than the sewadars at mandirs and darghas.  

When I went to baba Balak Nath jis asthaan, there was a place where we had to worship two male goats, touch their feet and bow down to them, and then we stood facing them while the pandit did some kind of ardaas. The goats didn't care, they were just munching on grass. The problem was that there was goat poo everywhere! and I was bare feet, standing on goat poo and wee!  

Muslim graves are no different! I've been to this very popular one in Una, Himachal Pradesh. Its a place of worship so your obviously not wearing shoes, and you just don't know what your standing on half the time! At this place everyone was pouring oil over some shrine, and the whole floor was oily, muddy, and dirty. Then we had to tie strings to flags and make a prayer. The old man who was in charge of the flags was so rude, lmao, he was shouting at everyone! He had a go at my mum as well and my nani! my mum got really angry  lol!    But that's how the sewadars at these places talk to you!

I've been to a gau shalla near my mums pind in banga with my mama from Canada. It was really clean! I was surprised. The cows were very healthy, we fed them. But the pujari running the place was a nob. He was sat there on a chair, slouching back, legs wide open and arms folded. He signaled my mama with his hand to walk towards him and bend forward so he could put a sloppy red mark on his forehead. The pujari then looked at me, as in "its your turn now"  I looked at my mama, and my mama knew I was very annoyed, he had the "please don't something stupid" look on his face lol. I then looked at the pujari and he was sat there waiting for me to go over, and I did! out of respect for the place and customs in the place!  such a rude and egoistical man, It was as if he wanted us to be thankful, when we were the ones that donated several sacks of food for his cows!   

Don't know why so many people still go to these places. 

Gurdware are so much more hygienic in India, and the sewadars are polite as well. 

Before going India I read reviews for tourist attractions, and most famous mandirs and mosques have people complaining that these places are very unhygienic.   

Lack of hygiene is a huge problem in India. 

I think I've seen this book online. Does it have photos as well?  and there is a page for Sodhi Sikhs?    

Or maybe I'm talking about a different book ...

2 minutes ago, Rajasthani said:

Yes

Cow Dung is Powerful

Check this Video BJP neta Tell about cow dung Holy power 

 

lmao, did he just say NASA researched cow dung ?   

Who the hell decides to have a cow poo party in the middle of a pandemic lmao 

2 minutes ago, Rajasthani said:

Andhra pradesh Hindu Festival

Mumbai Haldi Ceremony

Jharkhand mela 

LMAO they're throwing cow dung at each other in the first video  

2 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

My mum watches i guess too much 'conspiracy' videos on the internet and gets too caught up. The videos she's watched in Punjabi is saying they're making it out to be catastrophe, and its part a plan by elites and Bill gates is ecstatic this is happening to India to sucker many ppl in vaccination and money. Its not even going to affect 1-2% of population. Also gov used it to end farmers protest

What are your thoughts, I do believe govs media play propaganda and who knows what they playing at. Personally best to keep open mind. Used to get too caught up watching info wars few yrs ago lol. Spins your head. 

o2 machnines make it worse some have experienced. They turn you into 'vegetable state' ....

 

Going by the videos of the mass cremations in Delhi, dumping dead bodies on the sides of the roads,  and people crying on the streets, It really don't look like a conspiracy.

Indian gov is definitely trying to control the narrative, apparently 2800 people died last night, I think the figures are much higher than that! I wouldn't be surprised if around 50,000 are dying every day.

Blame the government! they had elections in West Bengal today! Government don't care, they want votes and elections.

Also why did the government allow Kumb Mela to take place ? 

No Oxygen, thousands turning up at elections and festivals, what exactly is the government doing? 

I hope Indians realize the tyrant they have voted into power. 

24 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

It's very very bad.

I live in Ludhiana.

In Ludhiana, it is bad.

Delhi is even worse.

Many Delhi patients r coming to Ludhiana and jallandhar for treatment which can make things worse in punjab.

Stay safe bro. 

I think the Punjab government needs to get Punjab into lockdown. Otherwise it will spread into Punjab. 

16 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

Not surprising is it, in the middle of a pandemic, 1000s dying, Indian men are sending d!ck pics to women who offered to help and provide resources. 

Mark my words, next it will be in the news that doctors and hospital staff in India are abusing female patients. 

19 hours ago, TatKhalsaa said:

What is to discuss? All signs of our history, Gurbani and Vedic philosophy point to the earth being flat

I think the Vedas describe the earth as a disc?

Where does Gurbani say its flat? 

31 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Oh ok  

 

It's really sad that even in times of crisis there is such disregard for human life

Well that's India for you. My mum knows someone whose relative in India died last year during the first wave in India. When they got the body back from the hospital, he had cotton wool stuffed in his eyes, when they took the cotton out his eye balls had been taken out! When they took his shirt of he had stitches on his back, so they obviously took some organs out as well. This is quite normal there.

Women go in for operations and doctors end up taking their wombs out without them knowing. 

21 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Who the governments or the Sikh orgs?

No not Sikhs, random people, but possibly linked to local governments.

As hospitals in Delhi and many other cities run out of beds, people have been forced to find ways to get treatment for sick patients at home. Many have turned to the black market, where prices of essential medicines, oxygen cylinders and concentrators have skyrocketed and questionable drugs are now proliferating.

36 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Thankfully lots of Sikhs and Sikh orgs are providing oxygen tanks all over India while the government is doing almost nothing

They're charging 12,000 rupees to cremate the dead at the ghats in varnasi!  typical Indian behavior, taking advantage of peoples misery to make money. 

They're selling Oxygen cylinders in the black market. 

This is so sad, some guy in Kanpur just dumped his mothers body on the roadside after she died of corona. 

Twitter has removed tweets criticising the Indian government. 

India looks like hell atm, they've turned parks into cremation grounds, dead bodies flying out of ambulances etc 

"The removal of dozens of tweets seen to be critical of the Indian government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic is putting people's health at risk and quashing dissent, lawmakers and human rights activists said on Monday.

Twitter withheld some tweets after a legal request by the Indian government, a company spokeswoman told Reuters on Saturday. These included tweets from a lawmaker, a minister in the state of West Bengal, and a filmmaker.

'Suppression of information and criticism of government is not only dangerous for India but it is putting people around the world at risk,' said Mirza Saaib Beg, a lawyer whose tweets were among those withheld.

'Freedom of inquiry is an intrinsic part of freedom of speech and expression. These restrictions are further reflective of the weakening of all institutional spaces in India,' said Beg, who is studying at Britain's University of Oxford.

India's ministry for information technology did not respond to a request for comment.

The country's new coronavirus infections hit a record peak for a fifth day on Monday, rising to about 353,000 cases.

There is mounting criticism that Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government and state authorities let their guard down earlier this year, allowing big religious and political gatherings to take place when cases fell to below 10,000 a day.

'Questioning the government of India's decision to allow mass gatherings ... where people from all across the country gathered and violated COVID safety protocols ... cannot be called to be violating any laws of the country,' said Pawan Khera, a spokesman for the opposition Congress party, whose tweets were also withheld.

The law cited in the government's Twitter request is the Information Technology Act, 2000, which allows authorities to order blocking of public access to information to protect 'sovereignty and integrity of India' and maintain public order.

Requests from the government are reviewed under Twitter's rules and the local law, a spokeswoman for Twitter told Reuters.

There is a 'lack of transparency' in the government's order, said the Internet Freedom Foundation, a digital rights group in Delhi.

'What is clear is there are more directions being issued across social media platforms in India,' it said in a statement.

Twitter has about 17.5 million users in India.

In its most recent transparency report for the six months to June 30, 2020, Twitter said it had received 42,220 legal demands to remove content from 53 countries, with most of the requests coming from five countries including Russia, India and Turkey.

Earlier this year, the social media giant withheld dozens of accounts on the request of the Indian government on grounds that users were posting misleading content related to farmers' protests near Delhi, aiming to incite violence.

But Twitter did not fully comply with the government order to take down more than 1,100 accounts and posts, saying it had not blocked all of the content because it believed the directives were not in line with Indian laws.

Following the face-off with Twitter earlier this year, the Indian government unveiled tougher rules to regulate big social media firms that it said were needed to hold the companies accountable for any misuse or abuse.

'We all would prefer free spaces to objectively critique power in the offline as well as online space. However, both spaces are increasingly shrinking,' Beg told the Thomson Reuters Foundation "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9511529/India-Morgues-run-stretchers-deaths-hit-2-800-day.html

37 minutes ago, Kaurr said:

Don't these people see others as a living human being?

From what I've seen in India, people don't often treat other people like humans. 

They treat each other like animals. 

Reminds me when I went to some place of worship, everyone was eating langar and one of the "sevadars" who happened to be a " Singh" started barking at a woman while doing "sewa"  started shouting at her front of everyone right across the langar hall, top of his voice. Poor woman was reduced to tears and wiping her face with her chunni, and walked out crying. 

I was just speechless, didn't know how to digest what I just saw. 

12 minutes ago, SargunNN said:

I really don't understand the whole obsession over idol worship.  People here take it to an extreme and seem to think it means all symbolism should be removed from Sikhi and the religion should become as austere and shallow as modern-day Islam.

Obviously, mindless idol worship is bad, everyone would agree with this (including Hindus), but its also obvious Hindu symbology had a spiritual influence on the gurus, and if you actually do naam jaap you'll find you can engage with these symbols in a way that is deeper than idol worship.  Any personal practice of sikhi that doesn't even attempt to engage with this symbols, is incomplete and ahistorical in my opinion.

Wouldn't say it had any "influence" on the gurus, but the gurus used already existing Indian stories that the average South Asian would have been familiar with, to set examples, e.g Indira committed adultry with Aaliyah and was humiliated in the next world, so don't commit adultry...

Or these stories were used to evoke different emotions. Like Durga destroying the demons. Sikhs in those days would sing Chandi di Vaar while marching to war. 

It's one of reasons why the nagara drum was used, to build up bir rass and confidence.

You can compare it to people in the west keeping statues or paintings of Buddha in their homes, it creates a relaxing and calming atmosphere. 

Grey haired old ladies get raped while bathing in the Ganges by other pilgrims. 90 year old Christian nuns have been raped. They're animals. 

Women have been sexually assaulted while protesting against rape by other protestors. Can you believe that! people protesting against rape decide to sexually assault while protesting.  

I used to feel sorry for the people in that county, but gave up a few years back.

The really effed up thing is that even the oppressed communities rape and abuse. Just imagine the amount of rape and sexual abuse that takes place in the slums.  Who are you supposed to feel sorry for then ?  When the oppressed become the oppressors.   Its such a messed up contradicting country.

I bet you that the guy that raped that poor girl probably doesn't even have a toilet or running water in his house. 

Honestly, I gave up with hope in that place years ago. 

1 minute ago, Kau89r8 said:

There is a video i just saw an bjp mp giving cows urine to covid patient who is oxgyen support. You cant take them seriously anymore. 

There's videos of them throwing their kids into heaps of cow dung for good luck, in one case the kid started gagging on the dung so the parent had to step in a save the kid. 

3 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

The irony is in West, Indians are the most educated and wealthiest out here. They dominate in all sectors academically, economics, medicine, silicon valley is dominated by brahmins. 

Hindus in the west are a success story, perhaps one of the best examples, but their counterparts in India still live in the 15th century.

59 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

The gut wrenching thing is that such horrific graphic rape incidents is so 'normalised' in India, it doesn't even faze majority, and the occasion it does make headlines and when it does it either for dirty politics.

In UP which is under Yogi, hindu radical, is the worst. Fews weeks back read article young girl being raped and left to ditches, and police were 'ordered' to make sure the family stays silent.

State of the Hindu Rastra...

They're depraved animals. That country is beyond repair, it actually is too late to repair that country. 

Hindu society and culture (India) is just as bad as Muslim society and culture, yet the irony is Hindus complain about Muslim culture, which is why the bjp was created, to tackle Muslims, when they are basically the same! 

All that corruption and perversion is going to lead to catastrophic karmic consequences. Perhaps another horde of invaders. 

16 year old girl was raped by her neighbour, she told her family and they decided to parade her and the suspect around the village. Paraded her around with a rope while people spat at her and beat her. Her family felt she had brought shame onto the family by getting raped. 

sickening country and sickening people.