Videos of the girl and her alleged attacker as violent crowds shamed and beat her created outrage in India.

By Sameer Yasir

Crazy woman!  I remember reading about her. I think she stabbed herself in the thigh and blamed him for it. 

More and more men are ending up in jail because women falsely accuse them of rape. Like that British slapper who had a gang bang in Greece with some local men and then accused them of gang rape. 

Perhaps Mohammed has learnt his lesson and will keep it in his pants and not cheat on his wife! He's lucky his wife is still with him. 

These incidents, including nurses sexually abusing patients, are in the news every other day now.

Doctors, teachers etc are people that you are supposed to have trust in, I guess that is partly the reason why so many of them sexually assault, they take advantage of their position. 

Qutab minar, the minar that Muslims said the call to prayer from, surrounded by ruins of demolished Indian temples. 

This Jain pillar survived though as it apparently weights tons! so they couldn't pull it out.

I'm sure the Muslim call to prayer has a religious purpose, but in India it was basically a proclamation of Islamic superiority. The Sikh Misals were quite harsh towards Muslims especially the Bhangis, they had the Muslim call to prayer banned, as in those days it was a symbol of Muslim superiority over Indian kafirs. 

The perfect example is the Qutab Minar complex in Delhi. I've been there and its a large complex of destroyed Hindu and Jain temples. Just ruins of pillars, arches, walls, statues. Right in the center is the Qutab Minar, tallest brick building in the world, where the qazi screamed the call to prayer from. The minar is made out of the destroyed Hindu and Jain temples scattered around it. Destroying the temples of the indigenous people and building an Islamic structure right in the center, tallest brick building in the world, where they scream their prayer from, it was a symbolic way of telling the kafirs who the boss is. 

Right on top of the minar was a crown like structure. If I remember the information on the tourist boards correctly, when the British invaded Delhi they decided to remove the crown like structure from the minar, symbolising that they are the new power in Delhi, not their Muslim predecessors. 

Its the reason why the Sikh mislas banned it in Lahore. 

Sikhs today have forgotten that... 

In fact today Sikhs themselves are helping Christians and Muslims build Churches and Mosques in the villages, where only the Gurdwara/Guru Granth Sahib ji should have religious authority. 

2 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

We are the number one caterers in the world. There were even some people serving langar last week at Prince Philip's funeral.

Any excuse.

What the hell 

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

since he follows Nath sampardya  Guru Nanak Dev ji already had charcha with Gorakh Nath so it is all irrelevant to us since they had to be corrected by Guru ji .

 

http://www.discoversikhism.com/sikh_gurus/guru_nanak_gorakhmata.html

Thanks.

You replied 2 hours ago but I got a notification for your comment just 8 mins ago!   odd. 

Ok I just remembered its because of the link. 

11 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Love it. Monkey snatched my food in Japan once.  

They'll also have one run up and snatch from a street vendor and if he chases it the other five come clean him out. 

They look all cute and small until they want your food, then suddenly they look much bigger and you realize as they jump from feet away and snatch it..that yes...it is indeed their food. 

haha its so true. Initially they look cute, they look like little people lol, with their hands, feet and expressive faces, but when they see food in your hands they go crazy! 

The males and also the females with babies clinging onto them can be quite aggressive! 

14 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

oh okay now I remember a bit bout baba balak nath

he is very famous yes I heard about women not being allowed to gi in

dont know bout the rest 

women are allowed at kaharpur gurudwara, but baba ji doesnt sit in sangat with them when they outside to meet him, but stands across a wall from where he talks (on the other side there is a mango tree my nanaji tells stories bout from his youth lol) , but they sat with us since he is familiar with us 

yes basically tomb worshipping, at mai dian kangan i think, we did matha tek to i think the balan of bhai manj (am not sure, because I think when he fell in the well or something like that might have been at amritsar instead so it makes sense for the balan to be used in langar over there) 

beside that area is guru maharaj vrajman as well (as well as downstairs)

i have very faint memories so am not sure entirely 

Yeah, I don't know that much about baba Balak Nath. As a boy basically lived in an old ladies house who he treated like a mother. He used to look after her cows etc  but the cows used to eat the crops of other farmers and they would always complain. The lady that Baba Balak Nath lived with wasn't a very kind or motherly lady! one day the farmers came and complained to her how baba Balak Nath always lets her cows into their fields and eat their crops. The lady then got very angry with baba Balak Nath and told him he is ungrateful etc, He then said he will leave her and never bother her again, she then said first pay me back all the years I made roti for you!  He then performed a miracle and all these rotts(sweet bread) started falling from a tree. She then realized that he was no ordinary kid and begged him to stay but he refused and went off! apparently she spent the rest of her life looking for him but never found him.

That's all I know ... 

I have no idea how he ended up becoming so popular in Punjab ... 

26 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

i dont know much about baba balak nath

what is sangat's thoughts on families having sharda in sant deras

my nanke (mom's side) are into some jagahs

my nanaji's great grandfather (shyam singh if I remember) served in the same platoon (British Indian army) as sant hari singh kaharpuri

sant hari singh laid foundation of the old house we still have back in India after we moved to the new village from 1947

I am not too sure about sant hari singh kaharpuri but know he did panthic sewa in building many historic gurudwaras, one of which is manji sahib (where our family treats like a jathera jagah along with 'mai dian kangan' which I believe might be bhai manj ji's resting place) and he also helped build and was entrusted with the sewa of thakt sri kesgarh sahib in 1935 I believe 

other than that, I dont think even the internet offers much other than the ffact that he came from hoti mardane sampardayi (which I think is from where sant jwala singh harkowal and sant harnaam singh jain came from; we are familiar with jain wale but not as sharda as with kaharpur dera) 

I've been there once (kaharpur) when I was 12, and I think the current mukhi's name is baba sadhu singh

he seemed good, from what I have heard from my family is that he doesnt have sangat with people but  often stands across the wall conversing with the sangat as he stay away from the bibian for the most part (as was case with sant bhindranwale who used move around his teer if a bibi would do matha tek) but they have sat with us

but even with all this jagahs, there are some slightly off things like how the first milk of a "katti" would always be offered at "mai dian kangan", my mom tells me that her grandmother told her that she once decided to give the first milk to the jagah and she wanted to churn butter out of it but it went black or something so then they became more vigilant on this "tradition" 

from my dad's side, there is this ancestral shaheed's place we go to thats all I know of for that and that my dadi used to do "sukhna sukh" at that place 

But that's basically tomb worshipping. Jagga is basically a tomb or "resting place" for the soul.

Both my fathers side and mothers side worship an ancestral tomb, in fact that's their main belief. They light a diva there every Sunday, whenever its a wedding they place a wedding card in the tomb, so they basically are inviting the dead relative! in winter they wrap the tomb up with a blanket etc    

We have a photograph of the tomb from my fathers family and my dad lights diva in from of the photo every Sunday and does tuf.

Its scary, because I've heard some terrifying stories of what happens if you don't serve the jagga! 

Once you start serving these places they demand worship!

But that's basically tomb/grave worshipping. 

Yeah its the same at Baba Balak Naths jagga as well. The actual cave that he used to meditate in, no woman is allowed to go near it. We were allowed to do matha tek in the cave thing where he did tapasya, while my cousin sister had to stand on this balcony/bridge kind of thing, around 8 meters away and do matha tek from there. I understand why though, Baba Balak Nath was a Brahmchari so he stayed away from women, so to respect the place where he did tapasya women aren't allowed to get close.

Does anyone's family believe in baba Balak Nath? Both my families do! I've been to his shrine once, it's high up in the mountains in Himachal Pradesh.

What do you think of baba Balak Nath? Hes quite a popular deity in Punjab.

Does any Sikh literature mention him? Or has a sant brahm gyani spoken about him ? 

15 hours ago, justasking said:

i feel tht those ppl are uneducated and when they start becoming educated they try becoming all modern and end up being athiests. My mom is messed up kinda one time she brought a pic of hindu gods to the house and placed it near entrance was really embarassing cos when my friends would come over theyd all say tu bahmin ban gayea? I got rid of it and my mom was pretty mad about it but my dad laughed and said i did good. I also see at the dollar store here thats owned by indian family have mini idols of Guru Nanak Ji. Should I go there one day and tell them polietly they shouldn't restock those?

I've seen those Guru Nanak Dev Ji murtis in Southall years ago, not sure if they still sell them. And then there's the rakhri card with bibi Nanki ji and Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

But that goes back to how people can just not let go of idolatry and rituals.

See one could argue that people in India do these things because they are illiterate, but many young people in Punjab are not illiterate like their parents, many go into further education, many of them work in offices, doctor surgeries, banks etc but they still take part in idol and tomb/grave worship and rituals. In fact some educated Sikh youth who have jobs in the shahr they decide to start practicing romanticised version of Hinduism, like doing bollywood style karva chauth etc  

Most graves/tombs places I've been to in India, almost 50% of the people there are young people. 

In my dads pind, our neighbors are a retired couple, both were teachers in a college in the shahr. They both speak fluent English and encourage everyone in the pind to adopt a healthy lifestyle, like eating healthy, exercise, yoga, walks etc they do organic farming and all that kind of stuff    but! they both are into grave/tomb worshipping and visiting mandirs etc in fact the wife is heavily involved in black magic! so no one invites her to weddings or other functions.  And these are supposed to be the educated people leading the rest!   

I used to think idolatry and odd rituals were practiced mainly by illiterate people, but unfortunately that does not seem to be the case.  

9 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

Society is generally edging towards atheism with each generation going through the western education system and culture. Apart from the religious fringe (of which many of us on this forum are a member of) you will be lucky to find people keeping even a vague connection to their religion. If people are still venerating the painted depictions of Guru Sahibaan, consider it a blessing, imo. Many young people (in the west) do not even respect these paintings, forget about the real Guru.

In a vast many Punjabi homes of the future, you will not find paintings of Guru sahibaan or even the dhup or jot lightings. The next generation will consist of a super observant minority with a vast majority only being ethnically sikh, if even that. Along with shunning the tombs and jagah from back in the villages of their parents, they will most likely shun religion altogether.

I agree, not sure why you got so many down votes! 

I've said the same in the past as well, vast majority of people from Sikh background will assimilate into Western people and culture. In fact its already happening. They attend Gurdware only when invited for weddings etc they name their kids with Black or White people names, they decide not to teach their kids their language Punjabi. This is assimilation into the culture of the countries we live in. You start shedding your own identity and start adopting the ways and identity of the country you live in.  

We sometimes forget how lucky we are! 

Just today, a Pakistani guy who I went to school with, is now on drugs and he approached me asking me if I have any spare change. He looked mentally unstable, but still recognised me        Really sad ...   

36 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

I still grudingly  have to do rakhri since I am an adolescent, but I take it off in a matter of 2 hours 

I honestly don't criticize anyone else practicing it, but I just want people to stop forcing me 

I dont rok tok others, just the annoying part is "bibi nanaki tied rakhri on guru nanak"

maybe Ill draw a picture of guru nanak in santa's sled helping him handout presents

plus isnt there a picture of guru sahiban worshipping gau mata by rss etc. 

as long as misinformation isn't spread and culture/religion are kept seperate, I dont care what people do 

Same, I don't really tell my family what they should do or what they shouldn't. They can believe in what they want to believe. Though if they do something which I don't agree with, and it offends me, then I tell them. For example, how people started carving their names in karas!  I told my family in India that I'm strongly against that, and that it goes against what I believe. For a minute they were like "oh yeah, that's true, its wrong to do that" and then they went straight back to talking about getting their names carved in karas! 

Other than that I've never given my opinion!

When I go India they take me to all the odd places that they worship at, but I just pretend that I'm praying, lol 

10 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

yeah, every rakhri i still get in arguments lmaoo

i stopped doing matha tek of pictures when i gained some surt around age 12

I worshiped the paintings till I was around 14 lol    

Yeah I stopped rakhri too, my parents still get upset about it, but i don't feel comfortable wearing sparkly and colourful strings around my wrist! 

2 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

so more close to token of respect as we touch the feet of a mahapurkh 

or do shastar namaskaar

either way, shastar are our saints as well 

so would you say sgpc was wrong to "ban" it 

Yeah, but that's just my limited understanding of it, perhaps someone who knows more about shastar puja can answer.

Dusherra was celebrated in the Sikh empire. They would do shastar and cannon puja, extra charity, and then mock fighting, where one Singh would dress as Raavan and the other dress like Raam. 

29 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

waheguru ji 

I have a question if anyone can clear my doubts on shastar puja being similar to idolatry 

 

How I see it is, that when they worship idols, trees, animals, graves etc   they pray to it, so they ask it to answer their prayers. Like they go to a grave and ask the grave to answer their prayers and if the person buried under the grave answers their prayers they buy a green sheet and cover the grave with the sheet.

But with Shastar Puja, from my understanding, they aren't asking the shastars to answer their prayers, neither do they pray to them, or ask them for guidance. 

1 minute ago, intrigued said:

Yea but only at night

Oh Ok, they do that here too, but I guess they have too lock it at night.  But in Punjab they lock it up throughout most of the day other than in the morning or afternoon.