sikh_youth_uk

Saying enough is enough and time to stand up, as 3 girls have been brain washed in to islam

i replied with vote bnp

it wont be passing this tx on i deleted it.

photos lead to idol worship.

we have no idea if Guru sahib looked like that most of these pictures look the same. people making money out of blind faith.

ban the whole event.

"Religious people and leaders of Religious institutes never really tell the sangat about real Sikhi, cos if the sangat knew rea Sikhi these people would never make any money"

india is a ledc

They are all linked.

More than a scholar a student of comparative religion. He can quote from various scriptures.

I saw a Sikh Brother, ask him a question about Guru Nanak at Mecca , he replied with, its possible he went to Mecca, in a chup charp manner (quietly not drawing attention)

Dr Niak didn’t say Guru Nanak was a Muslim.

It was the brother showed himself up in front of a few 100 people when brought up the kaba-moving story.

Dr Niak is highly educated but cunning and sly , like say don’t trust them nor get close to them.

Other than prove that many Sikh guys are dunce when it comes to debate. How did the guy make the brother look dumb?

People should REALLY be careful when using Janam Sakhis as historical evidence. I bet the guy said something like, "if he moved Mecca, how comes no one else noticed?" Muslims place a big thing on miracles like that as evidence of God's presence. Had Guru Nanak really did that, I think many of the people there would have recognised him as a holy man.

Dr Niak didn’t make the brother look dumb he did it himself.

I have scene many of Dr Niak talks. I have always wanted a Sikh to ask him a question, and when he did I was cringing.

The Singh pushed in front of people to get to the mic, causing a commotion. Rushed to come out with this.

He was told moving of the Mecca or any other building is Un-scientific, Dr Niak then said lets just suppose it did happen it would be recorded by Islamic historians.

These mircales are always connected with Religous founders in Religion to proove they are men of God.

If Guru Nanak did move the mecca, he would have documented in his writings. Guru Nanak also was against myth mircales.

The verse which is NOT in the SGGS ...goes along something like the whole of mecca was spining.

If anything was spinning it was the peoples mind with whom Guru Ji had debate with when he gave them his answer, "to point my feet to a place where God is not"

More than a scholar a student of comparative religion. He can quote from various scriptures.

I saw a Sikh Brother, ask him a question about Guru Nanak at Mecca , he replied with, its possible he went to Mecca, in a chup charp manner (quietly not drawing attention)

Dr Niak didn’t say Guru Nanak was a Muslim.

It was the brother showed himself up in front of a few 100 people when brought up the kaba-moving story.

Dr Niak is highly educated but cunning and sly , like say don’t trust them nor get close to them.

U.k and U.S are one i have to follow my country.

Anti war prostesting should be banned.

interesting video examing a similar thing http://youtube.com/watch?v=J1qmFEujEtk

this was highlighted before a few yers ago.

i agree with the bishop.

Following the reports of Malicious, Profane and Decisive Programme aired on ZeeTv network defaming SIKH panth and its followers, WORLD KHALSA YOUTH ORGANIZATION requests all GURU SANGAT to Boycott ZeeTV from their subscription packages.

Above mentioned resolution against predisposed, abusive and debasing attitude formulated in the programme "DESH DROHI" (TRAITORS) is justified in accordance with GURMAT.

Preposterous & vituperative statements were used throughout the program in attempt to malice the image of Sikh people throughout the world . Sikhs living in other Indian states were branded as terrorist and the Sikh Sangat across the globe as active sponsors of terrorism. Certainly, Perpetrators of such onerous and tyrannical complications are oblivious to glorious, distinguished and divine Sikh history. However Sikh Sangat must consolidate and unite to resist any such attempt to defame the RELIGIOUS ,SOCIAL AND CULTURAL heritage of SIKHISM.

BOYCOTT of ZEE TV network should and must continue proviso sincere and apologetic and equally convincing report is published by the relative network .

SIKH SANGAT across USA, CANADA, EUROPE AND OCEANIA may call the network for termination of their subscription stressing upon the reason and hence spreading the message of peaceful demonstration.

An overwhelming response and co-operation is solicited by all sikh sangat in this cause for preservation of Sikh faith.THANKING all GURU SWAROOP SANGAT.

One word lacking in the thread above, "God Conciseness"

yeh but i think we should be far removed from the word asain as poss.

I do apologize bout few the things ive said on this subject.

In fact I think its not a good thing she’s been killed.

It would have been better that she be in charge of Pakistan than some radical Muslim group, and with a country that has necular weapons the two together is unthinkable.

Very well said, I haven’t looked in to this that deeply but no for a fact that the kaaba didn’t spin.

lol hey.. A) u haven't looked deep into this.. but..

B) u know for a fact? Right... lol sorri i found u funny bro u and ur facts

This type of magical miracle is against Sikhi principles, and un-scientific.

The miracle of Earth orbiting the sun was un-scientific until it was discovered that it is.

Dude the Mandir spun 180 Degrees to face Bhagat Naam Dev.. (for ref: Shabad in Guru Granth Sahib Ji by Bhagat Naam Dev).. it is the only mandir in India that faces sunset rather than sunrise (which is v. bad!)

People try to attach miracles to people, to prove they are men of God.

True say, Guru Sahib ji didn't do that. Instead, Guru Nanak said that even his GURSIKHS are above these ridhia sidhia (supernatural powers) because they are all minor compared to the power of Gursikh. This "miracle" was a way to teach the Mullahs that God is indeed everywhere. No need to make a big issue out of a mior event - this is just a minor event.

If anyone was spun it was the people Guru Nanak had debate with, put my feet in a direction in which God is not.

Islam says that God is NOT everywhere, but is above all and sits on his throne ('Arsh) - Guru Nanak wanted to get rid of their doubts with this little minor display.

so whats your conclusion ??

The story of Guru Nanak going to Mecca comes from the Janamsakhis; a collection of largely apocryphal fables with little or no historical legitimacy. (Indeed, this is one of the reasons they are rejected in the Tat Khalsa cannon).

Unless a story from the Janamsakhis can be historically verified, it is probably rubbish. For example, we know that Guru Nanak went to Baghdad (there is an inscription on a wall in the city that commemorates his visit), but there is no evidence for him going further than that.

The story about the ‘revolving kabba’ is fictitious and shouldn’t be given credence because (a) it’s not true because he never went to Mecca (b) as we know, only Muslims enter Mecca and © Muslims use this fact to tell everyone that was a Musulman.

So let us stop repeating this embarrassingly inaccurate story.

Very well said, I haven’t looked in to this that deeply but no for a fact that the kaaba didn’t spin.

This type of magical miracle is against Sikhi principles, and un-scientific.

People try to attach miracles to people, to prove they are men of God.

If anyone was spun it was the people Guru Nanak had debate with, put my feet in a direction in which God is not.

Clothes dont make the man, man makes the clothes.

what bout stupid women who go to the Gurdwra dressed liked there in a bollywod film.

there dad or husbands should put them in line. or a bhai have a word in a pleaseant and logical manner. with reason.

parents should be able to hit children

there are better ways to discipline kids man

oh and 1800 called, they are sick and tired of you, feel free to join us in 2007 anytime

A pinch of fear gets results - fact

I got the Cain many a time at Junior and infants school - (Wooden table tennis racket)

Fear gets results it proven.

Anyone in too football here?? Well the most successful football mangers in England are Scottish cos the players are scared of the manger.

Alex Ferguson, Bill Shankley, Mat Busby.

These guys are no nonsense. Aggressive and come down hard, and typical of the hard Scots man.

Even in today’s world where players are pampered like superstars Alex Ferguson wont stand for anything, even from Beckham.

Those punjabi slappers need the biggiest slap espically the school girls ones who wear make up.

and suppose u gonna go give em one.......u seem to have all the answers veera so gud luck to u....................

Not my place and would get done for assault, but given the chance I wouldn’t mind.

They should be slapped so hard across the face that the foundation drops off on the other side.

what bout this process.

1. word of warning

2.strong word

3.smacking

good parenting is timeless.

..but they say previous principles and disiplence is better.

Who's "they"?

If you think good parenting = beating kids, then

Don’t think of it as beating think of it as discipline.

I no sum kids my age whose dads would come home stinking of booze on saturday nite and they (kids) would get a slap for slap for staying up late.

Done them no harm.

Not like your noncey poncey youth today with their ipod and hi5 profile, they have it too easy.

Yep, I would agree that many of the new generation have it way too easy and many are turning into soft poncey twats. As for many of the current generation of Punjabi girls from Sikh backgrounds......

Those punjabi slappers need the biggiest slap espically the school girls ones who wear make up.