Paneer Monster

^ who ever it was clearly wants our sikh girls to be grromed and used as sex slaves, someone who has <banned word filter activated> for brains and still believes the muslim community do not play a key part in child abuse, rape, and grooming dispite the masses of evidence and trends which show otherwise.

Sikh Patrol - keep up your seva... keep going. next time dont announce publicaly that you need sevada's. ask sangat you trust... and people on this forum who are supporting your work ie hammertime007 and myself.

Well Veerji wouldn't this exclude sehajdhari Sikhs who have not yet taken Amrit but are on the path to do so or sehajdhari Sikhs who are not amritdhari but read lots of bani and naam simran?

IF this is puratan maryada (WHICH IM NOT 100% SURE), then i believe we should adhere to it...

further, we should ask ourselves, should maryada be to our liking?

what i've noticed is that while there still maybe alot of elders that are Radhasoami...but their kids who are born/bred in UK question Radhasoami-ism and find it flawed...hence why i know of sooo many kids who don't want to associate or go to their satsangs in Bedford like their parents do and now call Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee their Guru (whether they're even kesdadhri or not).

I think the elder generation are uneducated and follow anything that walks, but their own next generation will come back into Gurmat...and i'm seeing that first hand happening now - i know of too many examples!

you are partly correct... this is also having a damaging affect on sangat... some radhasoamis realise that radhasoami is a backward cult... but they dont come back to sikhi... their faith is damaged and they become athiests. its very sad. radhaosami is a poison. I try to save as many poeple as i can. they dont even want to do vaheguru mantra (mantra of our guru sahibs)... they say "we have our own mantra". its a very hard, long and draining process to deprogram the way they think.

i also agree that the newer generation of sikhs are more political then spiritual... we need to take both to the highest hight.

to be honest ive read everyone's comments and thank you for all the hate comments as the gurus would be so proud.

also thank your pakhandi baba for his hate comments on dasam bani, bhai gurdas sahib vaaran, sikh history etc

and to me the sikh bible is merely just a book or call an a to z guide to get back home, ive not once been disrespectful towards the sikh path nor would i ever as i too

thats right, to you GURU granth shaib ji maharaj is just a book... to us, your baba is a pakhandi fraud. to a SIKH we believe in 100% of the Gurbani within Guru Granth Sahib JI including "bani guru guru hai bani vich bani amrit sare" - your pakhandi baba picks and chooses what parts to preach to you. we believe in Gurbani 100%... so, your question was, "why are sikh people so against radhasoami path?"... you should ask yyourself "why doesnt radhasoami preach all of GURBANI? why did they remove Guru Granth Sahib Ji from becas in the 70's? Why is BEAS RS headquarters currently under the name of Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj?

am sikh. ive been following the sikh path since 12 and now im 33 and yes i think i do know what im talking about some of yous say ive disrespected the sikh pathbut read your own comments and see how you too have disrespected the rs path, beleave it or not i went to one of your sikh schools guru gobind khalsa college in chigwell and boy that was an eye opener to the bad thing sant baba amar das ji the fonder of this school now they took 1000s of sikh people and the early years that school was run hardly anyone got a good education explain that to me cos i too can go on n on about how they got it wrong plus they had the sikh bible in school and they were carrying on like that, now how bad is that, you call your sikh bible your 11guru lol its not me whos brainwashed mate,

You my friend can not take the truth... tell me, where have i lied? the truth hurts. i use to think think like you. i understand that it hurts when we diss your baba, because you believe he is god... but you must understand ... he isnt. my family use to say the same to me. they use to say "just looking at him all your sins are vanishing". seriously wize up... its a cult. dont make the mistake your elders have made. remember, the first radhasoamis use to matha tekhna to guru granth sahib ji... so they clearly were believers that Guru Granth Sahib ji is not "meerly a book" as you put it. if gurbani (guru granth sahib ji) means nothing to you... stop reciting it with your filthy mouths at haynes park. You brainwashed looneys do not even pronounce gurbani properly. radhasoami's believe bulle shah is a "pooran guru"... its like everyone and everyone is a pooran guru. its pathetic. Loook at your faith with an open mind. you came here asking why dont sikhs like rs.... you know the truth is,... rs is attacking sikhi (just like how you are).... answer me this... why does your pakhandi baba keep sikh apperance?? he even wears a kara. the mans a joke. what has he done for the world? Look at the change our Satguru Sahibs have brought to the world... what has your baba done? even NASA scientiests draw wizdom from guru granth sahib ji... who draws wizdom from your baba apart from uneducated and simpltons, and afew hippies in uk adn america?

you people have not studied the sikh bible properly yourselfs, ive been on the rs path for over 15 years n now i was given the gift of life the five holy names(naam) best thing ive ever done in mylife no way ever do i beleave ive been brainwashed,you people wanna disrespect me go for it for i wont disrespect back merely just give you a few home truths,

you have already disrespected Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj - reread your posts. This is the Same Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj that LEGALLY owns the land where your rs headquarters is in beas. Ask your baba who his land belongs to. it legally belongs to guru granth sahib ji maharaj because beas was initially for sikh prachar.

for one if the rs path was fake and present and past living masters(teachers) were fake too then one why is it that its run and more successful then the sikh path why hasnt it floped like other paths have?

more successfull then the sikh path? LOL you are wrong. STUDY SIKH HISTORY THEN STUDY RADHASOAMI HISTORY. your founders enjoyed tobacco beedi and hukka. our guru nanak dev ji maharaj brought GURBANI and Truth to this world. what have your lot brought? so theyve opened afew hospitals, so has the nhs here!! what real things have your tobacco smokers done for the world? look at the influence our Guru Sahibs have had in their existance... how much influence does your baba have? all they have is money. as for the growth of radhasoami there is also a growth of militant islam - that doesnt mean they are truthfull paths. Sikhs have a loving and caring simpole nature... your baba abuses this.

and some of you people have been so rude towards the rs path how on earth can you call yourselfs sikhs when all your 10 not 11 gurus would be so so disappointed,

Guru Nanak Dev Ji maharaj exposed pakhandi brahmins... in the saem way we expose your millionaire pakhandi baba.

and this is where we get it all wrong that we think this earth is our true home when all the 10 gurus message was to show us the way bak Home not do what sikhs have been doing is making a foundation on earth all your answers are in the sikh bible but all you guys do is sit there infront of the bible lishening but yet not understanding one thing at all, you got the cheek to say im brainwashed when its your people who have changed the sikh teachings and brainwashed you lot, look deeper in the bible and you will clearly see that it says you need to seek a living master or teacher and one who has the five not 4 not 3 but five holy names now if that is what is writen why are sikhs not folloring that well cos for one thered be no need for temples because the true kindom of heaven is within each and everyone of us, the same message is in every bible out in all paths i call it paths cos thats what they were ment for but people take over and turn it into a religion only to control people, never has the masters of the rs path say that they are god nor did the 10 gurus say they were gods they were messagers from god just like the rs masters and if any of you lot wanna take this further then talk to baba ji himself and you will get the answers, n not im not trying to compare not murge the to paths together and baba ji doesnt just talk about sikhs so get over yourselfs they talk about all paths,why have i come on here thats right to defend my master cos none of yous have the right to disrespect like that and im quite sick n tired of all the stupid comment you people right, and you sikhs have over the years lishen carefully to what the rs masters satsangs and copied yourselfs and then made out we already knew this what a lot of nonsence, i too could go on n on n on like ariston.

you say "sikhs changed the sikh teaching" yet you radhasoami's call Guru granth Sahib Ji a "sikh bible". You are brainwashed! show me, where in history was Guru Grnath Sahib Ji called "sikh bible" - your pakhandi baba is feeding you crap and your spitting it out here. You are telling us to look at gurbani sahib.... gurbani sahib says BANI GURU GURU HAI BANI VICH BANI AMRIT SARE - explain this. Where does Guru Granth Sahib Ji say we need to believe in a pakhandi baba who gives us a naam of 5 names? it doesnt. ALSO REMEMBER RADHASOAMI BEAS IS IN THE NAME OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI AND NOT SIKH BIBLE. <banned word filter activated>.

you say "10 gurus are messengers of god just like rs masters". Look at the achievement of guru nanak dev ji maharaj... challenged ruler and tyrant BABABR... Guru Hargobind Sahib fought 4 great battles against injsutice. What has your pakhandi baba done for all the innocent 250,000+ punjabis that have been killed and tortured by the indian government? this is also documentated by established human rights bodies... what the hell does your baba do apart from sit on his fat <banned word filter activated> and living off his sangats money. if ur baba was the symbol of truth why doesnt he speak out against injustices?

research Sikhi... thats what I did. Reasearch gurbani Sahib with an open mind. clear your mind of radhasoami and sikhi adn anything else. Study gurbani, study the lives of our Satguru sahibs.... then you will have realisation beyond 5 words. YOU ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION, CANDIDATES WHO WANT NAAM NEED TO APPLY VIA AN APPLICATION FORM.

you have only come on this forum to promote your radhasoami fanatism, i can assure you, no one here will take to your fake "sant mat"... so take your preaching elsewhere.

the rs path has been going on for over 150 years whys hasnt it flopped if its fake and why havnt the sikh comumity taken him out like the other if you sikhs are so aginst the rs path then bloody do sumthing about it rather then chatting actions are alot more effective or are you sikh warriors scared.

This means nothing. child abuse has been going on since the begining of kaljug also - its bad but people still do it. also tobacco is an ancient tradition, that your first 2 baba's use to enjoy. also, im alittle confused, are you inviting sikh sangat to come and shoot your living guru / perfect master / god? you should know at beas, sikhs are searched before entering. kirpan wearing sikhs are often not allowed in. (i know, i use to go there).

well its true you lot are just full of words but no actions cos the way you lot say that rs path has copied n taken so much from sikh path how can you lot just sit there and do nothing,

nope - i preach against radhaosami wherever i go. its poison also, im not doing anything, im hitting you back with factual info, none of which you have denied!

im not gonna leave anymore comments here as its a waste of efford where i could be useing my time to better use.

yes, go back to the hole you came out of and recite your fake naam. one radhaosami book said (in other words) the masters <banned word filter activated> smells of roses LOL so in addition to everything else, you have <banned word filter activated> sniffers amongst your community. wake up. i actually might make a sight on radhaosamis. i have all the books, cassets and vhs's here in the basement. i think i will, espose radhasomais to the world.

and as for you paneer monster you havnt a clue go back to baba ji and ask questions on wat ive spoken about and plus you need to shutup with your fake arss comments thinking you know what your talking about you havnt a clue mate, not a clue so if you think im not going to insult you ur wrong with the stuff you have put on here ur a <banned word filter activated> with a capital D

i know truth hurts. are you done crying yet? seriously... open your eyes!!! your master is a phoney. i know its hard to come to terms with - honestly i do. i know your thinking "but our family believe he's satguru".. and i know it gets real personal.... i know u think he gives you salvation... its hard... but look at the posibility of him being fake. i know im Dashing, with a capital D - thank you.

how you think you know what your talking about makes me laugh you need to just jog on mate,and take your fake arss comments with you dont you ever disrespect my master like that oh and you want my number you mug jog on think before you speak ahhhh how sweet you wanna help me n ma family from getting brainwashed loooooool dont make me laugh mate.

well... i tried. i know its hard to accept. another thing radhasoami's say is "naamdhari baba can only take people to 4 khands, but our master can take poeple to 5 khands" ... trust me... i know your community better then you do.

and this is to all the sikh people the bible was created for mandkind not for sikhs alone and if you lot wanna point the finger at rs path and other paths first point at yourselfs, dont jugde others when you are not perfect cos if one was perfect he wouldnt be here he would be at home with the lord

Guru granth sahib ji is for humanity... has a message of equality, tolerance, and God realisation. that does not mean we have to tolerate the likes of your fake baba who is currently occupying lands that belongs to guru granth sahib ji. you ask your baba this, in 1976 why was Guru Granth Sahib Ji no longer parkash at Beas????

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MAND5 OVER AND OUT

PEACE

i thought you would finish by saying "radhasoami" LoL

it really saddens me...

all those poor radhasoami sangat. vaheguru. its really not their fault they have gone to rs baba because there is many problems in life, and its goto be said... our gurdwaras do not provide the support which our community needs. our leaders do not deal with grass root problems and communicate with us on a level. we (newer generations) need to identify these problems and take the lead in this.

radhasoamis do not practice gurbani kirtan. ALL OUR SIKH GURU SAHIBS PRACTICED GURBANI KIRTAN.... 5TH GURU SAHIB invented the saranda musical instrument... radhasoami baba says it is WRONG to use musical instruments for kirtan. when radhasoami's sing gurbani sahib, they never use instruments as its aginst radhasoami mat... this is stupid... musical instruments are CENTRAL TO SIKHI. radhasoami baba does not know better then our Satguru Sahibs. i can go on and on. i really can.

please save your family and accept the truth. dont take my word for it. study sikh history study gurbani then you will see why we are not willing to embrase radhasoami's as a part of the sikh community.

mand5 - im an ex radhasoami.....

before i continue, well done for seeking answers from another source other then your radhasoami community. for this i must commend your efforts. I use to ask my family questions, they use to tell me not to ask others because others are "non believers... they think there way is right"... also my family use to say "maharaji (rs baba) is a walking granth... those who insult him are acting in ignorance"... my friend... you, and all other radhasoamis that believe in this pakhandi baba have been brainwashed. i hate to disapoint you, but he isnt god - just the thought really does turn my stomach. the radhasoami baba is NOT antarjami (innermost knowing)... if he was, he would have knew my plans to turn to king of kings Guru Granth Sahib ji MAHARAJ - SACHE PATSHAH and he would have stoped me from doing so... but he didnt... hes nothing more then a con artist. please save your family from the falsehood of radhasoami. at their time of death u do not want them thinking of a pakhandi "maharaj"... or reciting a fake mantra. Everyone knows Gurbani is truth and real... you want your family thinking of Vaheguru and reciting Vaheguru at their time of death.

i can answer all your questions. please message me your phone numeber and we can have a chat.

many things wrong with radhasoami mat.

1 - randha soami land in beas is currently legally in the name of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj

2- radha soami forbids alchahol and meat... not tobacco... read into radha soami history, or read "the masters answers" and find out why tobaco is not forbiden (or allowed) in radhaosami faith

3-radha soami replaced sikh greating of WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH with "radhasoami"

4-radha soami replaced gurmantra with a fake mantra

5- radha soamis do not belioeve in guru manio granth

6- radha soamis do nothing for the victims of the 84 genocide - not even the radhasoami victims

7-radhasoami baba does not speak out against injustices (guru nanak sahib did)

i can go on and on and on. the list is truely endless. radhasoami baba is nothing... nowhere near our 10 satguru sahibs and guru granth sahib ji. the works of our Puran Satguru Sahibs is nothing short then the Work of God. All radha soami baba does is fool innocent and simple sangat - this is no achievement as punjabis are generally simple in nature.

Radha soami refuse to believe GURU granth sahib ji is guru... yet radhasoami mat use to be centered around Guru granth sahib ji. Guru Granth Sahib Ji use to be parkash in beas... they wheeled in sikh sangat with ttheir fake prachar... messing with Gurbani is messing with Vaheguru... this is not a small sin that can be overlooked. yes gurbani and guru granth sahib ji maharaj is universal... but that does not mean it can be misused. this is mahapaap (huge sin).

radha soami copy sikh traditions like guru ka langar, yet they do not believe its necessary to keep kara kachera kirpan kesh khanga...

they call dasam bani false in "spiritual letters" book

in "spiritual heritage" book they say sri harimanir sahib is just "brick and water" - how offensive

the other radhasoami book "guru nanak, his mystic teachings" - is wholly offensive to sikhs. bhai gurdas sahib's bani is discredited... they also disagree with the documentated history behind gurdwara panja sahib...

the list is endless.... i turely can go on and on.

why does radhasoami only mess with sikh history and sikh beliefs and not the beliefs of other faiths?? why does radhasoami baba keep sikh apperance??

regarding your comment "you need a living guru" this is true. guru granth sahib ji is alive. if you believe in guru granth sahib ji mahjaraj you will be aware of the following truths:

"bani guru guru hai bani vich bani amritsare"

"sun sun jeeva terey bani"

and others. there is no difference between gurbani and the guru.... we live by listening to GURBANI. we can not believe in what you guys believe in. satbachan is not gurbani... far from it. a sikh would never recite the words of tobacco users, and a sikh would never accept a tobacco user as their satguru. tobacco is strictly forbidden in sikh faith. even if gurbani told us to run to a living human for salvation (which it doesnt)... i would never run to the feet of such a fraudster radha sooami baba.

do not study gurbvani from pakhandi baba, please learn gurmukhi and study for yourself.

ive done it all... my family use to visit haynes park, and beas... we used to attend bhandara and put our names down for sewa...

i am so thankful that Vaheguru has saved my family from that path and brought us to the path of Gursikhi.

I am deeply saddened that there are literally millions of radha soami devotees.

its very saddening.

ill finish on this tuk of guru gobind singh ji maharaj..

sagal duar ko shhad ke, ghaiho tuharo duar, banhe gahe kio laj as gobind das tuhar - i have abandoned all gates (paths) and i have come to yours o lord, o lord please protect my honour and hold my arm, for i am your humble servant

for any mistakes bhul chuk maaf

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh.

(mand5, inbox me, we can discuss this further if you wish, i know its hard to accept... but believe me your baba is a fake... go back to the house of Our Puran Satguru's... we know for a fact they are real and true... have no doubts and embrace their pavitar bani)