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im bak in the techie forummmmmmmmm (its where i belong )

if anyone is familiar with the vancouver referencing system pleeeeeeease help me :D

how do u find out th author of a site? and what date a site was last modified?

is there a button u click??!

heeelppp meeeee, pleeeeeeeeease , because i dont know how to do it :sady:

ummm th links im usin are : (just incase anyone wans 2 have a luk 4 me :D )

http://www.fluorideinformation.com/topic.a...n=4⊂=401

http://www.fluoridealert.com/fluoride.asp

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/rivermo...%20Campaign.htm

http://www.fluoridation.com/

cuz u typed in sikhism and it has sikh in the name ?? :D

its like the mastercard spoof :D

quotes referrin to ..... ? :D

Don't compare punjab with todays sick punjabi songs... They do not represent real punjab..

agree with s!nghs post... i remember once i was at work and i tuk the mick outta this one freshy - by making jokes abt him 2 my colleague and then he lukd at me wid disgust (he usually finds me funny lol :D ) and he said u shudnt take the mick out of them - they'r often treated worse by us then by ppl of diff bakgrounds and also the way we laugh at them now is the same how people laughed at our parents back in the day ... :-(

im a fresh at heart leave em alone!!!!!

westeners also make fun of freshies so it works both ways

http://www.gurmatstudies.com/katha.htm

theres a few there in english - not exactly what u asked for.....maybe the first one "life is too short" could be of use or the one on hukam?

:e:

^ ur good at disecting :lol:

:HP: CURIOUS MAN!!!!

HAPPY (belated) 22nd Birthday :lol:

hope u had a great day and umm cum bak frm holiday soon an stop workin so hard cuz ppl r missing ur posts lol

no doubt he's a very nice and helpful guy

i can vouch for that :TH: :TH:

yeh babul is dad lol

^ LOLLLLLLLLL hahahaha my god after having chemistry lessons with u i can just imagine lollll

i agree with lowest of the low singhni, where/how are they gna do amritvela if they were amritdhari...

^ true remeber that punjabi lady ... with blonde hair :lol: @ narrinder was it??

SEPERATE ALL THE MEN FROM WOMEN, GIVE THE HOUSE SUM TRADITIONAL VALUES!!!

ALSO ID CAUSE SOO MUCH PUNGEHH, LIKE USE TEH HOUSE MONEYS FOR BIG BOXES OFF 100PK PENS FOR NO REASON

pakandi babas old avataar LOl the one wid the guy wid hypnotic eyes haha tha was gud...and also sant baba harkirat singhs avatar wid the singh in samadhi is a great one :lol:

LOL is funny how they pose hehehehe in the tree LOLLLLL i think jaggar singh was the best at posin lol they'r all colour coordinated in ther kurte pajameh loool

I can bet you most of them do all kinds of PUTHA stuff.

giv em the benefit of the doubt! u cant b sure of that

string on her finger and turns her palm up thn dwn while matha teking to the harmandir sahib comple

I have seen other films by that lady. Like Silent Waters ( a film about Partition of Punjab ) and Veer Zaara . I think she is a Muslim and they do turn their palms when bowing down ( when they perform their prayers ). Thats maybe just a way of bowing that is implemented in her. She is not doing it on purpose i think.

i dun think shes muslim cuz her names kiran lol actually maybe shes a muslim called kiran? lol

agree with manchester sikhi u get "sikhs" at different "levels" all over the world so maybe they shudda shown sum gursikhs in the scene jus so bollywud fanatics can see REAL sikhs? ?

i still havent got round to watching that film

At the moment nearly all ravidassia gurdwara are run by amateurs who don't really have a clue.

Conclusion, many Sikhs need to be educated.

I am assuming many chamars running ravidassia gurdwara may have personal bad experiences with other castes leading to these views of diverging from Sikhism.

But marriage is the final proof if caste is still around or not.

agree with the above :TH: i havent been to many "ravidassia gurdwarey" about 5.. i've never sin a Singh in the comittee - there are some singh's in the sangat ..i think it would have a realy positive effect to get singhs to take over the comittees so that kids in the sangat would see that there are people with a sikh roop within the commutnity. i've found that ppl from chamaar background who are amritshak begin to go elsewhere an so the "ravidass sangat" dont see that others have found the true path... i've got an uncle who used 2 be typical punjabi and then became amritdhari literaly overnight and now hes a granthi :lol: at a different gurdwara ... when people within this community find truth they stop going to ravidass gurdware...which i understand completely...cuz id do th same

in regards to this part :

I am assuming many chamars running ravidassia gurdwara may have personal bad experiences with other castes leading to these views of diverging from Sikhism.

i think thats a general problem (in the UK) within th "elder generation" ie our parents and their parents. actually come to think of it all generations cus some of my cousins are like that i guess they'r just told stuff by ther parents/grandparents and they dont look any deeper to find their own answers... education all the waaaaayyyy!! lol

LOLLLL they dance funnyyyyyy

LOL Yea u liked abit more than that!!!!

....OK so i liked dupatta tere sat rang da too....SONIYE, MODHE TO TILAK DA JAVE, STARAA VAL KAVE :lol:

LOLLLL

is bani nirankar? and if it is then how can you do beadbi of something that is nirankar?

by not giving the respect that baani deserves

^ LOLLLL yeah wen he givin high fives loooollll hahaha awwww

MONTY! MONTY! MONTY! MONTYYYYYY lol

"He may have a beard for slightly different reasons, but at the end of the day it's still a beard, and it's a magnificent beard. "

:lol:

^ does anyone know what happened? my dad went to go and get the sabji and said he saw loaaaads of singhs on dudley rd ? anybody?

I can agree with many points made on this thread mainly with the fact ravidassia gurdwara are not run to the same same standards as Singh Sabha Gurdwara. Maybe this is because we traditionally have followed sikhism through Guru Ravidass than Guru Nanak so there will be some differences. Although over the years many ravidassis have converged to follow sihkism in its entirety.

Alough we have not changed ardass and jakara i have seen addional words said at the end of ardass and an additional jakara. These i believe are fine since we would like to pay our respects to guru ravidass for what he achieved for the chamar community.

Guru nanak achieved what i believe bhagat ravidass and bhagat kabir were aiming for. They had similay ideas where bhagat ravidass and bhagat kabir were more focused towards creating an equal casteless society and guru nanak was also focused to spread the word of how to get closer to god.

Sikhs in the modern world have not really accepted ravidassias to be sikhs which is why ravidassia are having difficulty in trying to integrate and out of frustation then beging going there own way.

Sikhism to me seems like you have to be born a sikh to be one. Its not possible to convert to sikhism and be fully accepted by the community.

So in this day and age ravidassia are more sikh than anything. And if you think about it the lower your origianl caste the more sikh you are, since sikhism was to create a casteless society for the lower classes.

How many brahmin sikhs to we have?? None i guess. Since they would loose their high status if they became sikhs.

The akal takht needs to address these issues. But many there are too racist towards ravidassia. However they did once have female chamar as a Jatedar.

i agree with some of your points ...

Bhagat Ravidass wanted a casteless society yeh, but still all i hear from "ravidassias" ie my own family amongst others is chamaar this chamaar that. when i ask my cousins what religion they think they r, ones like oh we half hindu half sikh... umm yeak okk :s @ and then others r like "my religion is chamaar :lol: " .... and the segregation is to blame for this, that most people dun hava clue what religion they r following and think they r following a total "opposite religion to sikhi" cuz u no theyr not "sikhs".... but they'r not cuz they'r v v v v similar, dare i say it, nearly the same,

what i dont get they're all quik enough to say oh its cuz of caste, we wern't accepted and we should all be equal etc but then they'v become just as bad...with there new nonsense of putt chamaaran de n stuff <_< @ ussen chamaar aa chamaar ... chamaaran berry dangerous aa dangerous- LOL this mad uncle sed that to me once ..hahaha but anyway

how can they have followed sikhism through Bhagat Ravidass when sikhi was first taught by Guru Nanak?

ardass HAS been changed, dudley rd wolverhampton, they dont say "sabh sikhan ko hukam hain guru maneyo granth" its been cut out.. Bhagat Ravidass's achievements were not just for th chamaar community, they were for the whole of mankind... he didnt just preach to chamaars..he taught God is imminent in everything and everyone therfore he didnt see a difference between people, yeh he did use the word chamaar alot in his baani but i think that was just to illustrate his message.

maybe sikhs havent accepted ravidassias as sikhs because they call themselves ravidassias and not sikhs... they call them selves hindus or chamaars... if anything some ravidassias dont appreciate being called sikh and thats why thers a big outcry when someone of "chamaar" descent gets married to a "jatt" or "tharkhaan" - thankfully thers a little less of that now.

http://www.gururavidassji.org.uk/correspondents.htm << heres a example of how they do not like to be called sikhs.. :'(

like what akaali said me talking as a "chamaar" i've got loads of "sikh" friends and they hav never eveeeerrrr shown any kind of prejudice to me, if anything they just encourage me to focus on the true msg pf sikhi and not get caught up in these lil cults/sects/offshoots/brotherhoods

Our people (chamaar) need to wake up and smell the coffee. We are Sikh's and nothing else. All the bogus practices that are done by our community need to be stopped and then true Sikh's will not have a problem accepting us.

completely agree with akali

sorry if i caused any offence.

^ LOL harmeet singh....yeah singh1986 i had that problem 2...yeh u can get it frm whsmith..shud b able 2..not for under18s!!!!!!

^ LOl he'll b ok after his medication :lol:

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lol i hate these quizzes...u just cant help but do them!