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On 4/18/2020 at 4:54 PM, Big_Tera said:
As a typical UK born Punjabi, I along with many others, whose ancestors came from the Punjab, (Amritsar in my case) or other parts migrated to the Britain back in the early 50's and 60's. We along with many other Sikh communities and Indians in general from back home, came over for a better life and opportunities. We western born British Sikhs are considered ' the lucky ones'. The ones that escaped the harsh life of India at the time and were able to improve our welfare and fortunes by being able to have the means to get a ship and ticket to the so-called promised land. Think about it, out of millions of Punjabis, our ancestors where select few who managed to get here while so many others just like us failed in their endeavour to reach these shores. But are we really that lucky or blessed to have been the tiny minority of Punjabis and Indians who made it to the UK from India, our home country? Out of the millions of Sikhs who tried and desperately wanted to come over but could not for some reason or the other.
However, I sometimes wonder if we would have been better off if we actually stayed in India and did not migrate to the UK. Even though we are considered the lucky ones who managed to get to the west and win the golden ticket.
Are we truly accepted here and feel this is our true home? Our roots, religion, culture, customs and traditions, language you name it comes from India (Punjab) We are just a tiny minority and percentage out of billions of brown people to be here. When I go back to India. I really feel that I belong there more and get this feeling that this is my country and roots and not the same feeling while in the UK.
Being someone who has travelled back to India on a number of occasions and been all over extensively from North to South. I have seen that Indians/Punjabis back home seem to be happier and more content bunch then us Western Punjabis who are perceived to be in a better country. In fact people back home have become even wealthier then us and prospered more. In terms of family life, wealth ect.
Good things I have seen back home in terms of lifestyle/happiness/career ect compared to UK Punjabis.
Back home people are a more close-knit and caring community. They have a good sense of togetherness due to living with people of the same faith, culture and values as them. Everyone knows each other and helps one another. Everyone mixes more with their relatives and have better family relations in the community. Which is a stark difference to the UK state of affairs. Where people don’t see their own family due to in fighting and have poor relations. Sikhs in the west are increasingly growing up in broken homes due to very high divorce rates in the west. While back home divorce is very low compared to UK. Yes it may not be perfect but it feels more like home then the UK.
Back home they live in communities and areas that are 90% plus Sikh and hence have opportunity to have friends/Sangat, work colleagues of the same religion. Whereas we live in areas and communities where we are small minority and heavily outnumbered by other religions and races. Many of us live in white dominated or muslim populated areas.
I actually had this pointed out by a relative from india. Who said he could not believe how many Muslims where in the UK and why I was living in these areas heavily populated by them. Whereas he lived in nearly 90% Plus Sikh area back home.
Going back to the good things back in Punjab. They have beautiful Gurdwaras and mandirs on their door step, un paralleled natural beauty such as lush greenery, mountains and landscape. They live in a huge and varied country with many different communities living side by side all of which are similar to us.
To summaries what is better back home the in the UK
Better family relations and community spirit. As opposed to the UK where families have broken down and divorce rate is very high. So many broken families. Kids growing up without both parents in the same household.
They live in Sikh dominated areas, nagar kirtans and sikh events on their door step. More spiritual and blissful place to be in touch with our faith and roots. I have noticed sikhs in punjab are more united the in the UK.
Negatives of living in the UK
Basically, the opposite of Punjab. No community spirits. Lack of family, society cohesion and togetherness. Many people live isolated away from sangats.
High crime rates. Lack of acceptance, many people do not like Asians. In fact multi culturalism has not worked in Britain at all. Everyone is a stranger to each other and there is a lack of social cohesion amongst the different races and religions of Britian. Most people live in streets where they don’t know their neighbours and are complete strangers. Which is completely different back home where everyone is close knit and ready to help their neigbours ect.
Back in India, Sikhs, hindus Jains, Buddhists all live side by side in peace in a multi faith society without any issues.UK has dull, grey and cold climates. Houses and roads all look the same and grim. Whereas back home there are beautiful villages Ie beautiful colourful architecture homes.
We face racism and discrimination in the work place. Have to work under racist managers and colleagues. Be it in university’s and work places.Anyone else feel we would have been better off where we was?
Trust me, the entire world wants to move to western countries because it’s incredibly difficult living in those countries. Ask any expat who has worked in a third world country and they’ll tell you the same. Alot of Brits literally have No idea how easy we have it. People are literally screaming out there for a British passport. We are incredibly blessed.
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11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
Sikh is a command , an active state of being - LEARN/STUDY/ ABSORB/THINK, you are meant to live each moment with intent . It goes beyond islam -blind submission , we are supposed to listen/take instruction and think on it and bring it alive into our days hours minutes of existence.
Truth in action yes. Yet so many blindly listen and repeat without acting. As Guru Nanak said, Truth is high but higher still is Truthful living.
There are so many lessons to be learned on this test ground of earth, and so many beautiful things to experience, so much life to embrace and enjoy. We are supposed to be Free Spirits, while being Strong. Living life on the straight and narrow path with joy, Chardi Kala because it’s all just God.
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7 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:
You'd love it if your faux-spiritual rambling passed into the realm of truth, but unfortunately for you Sikhi IS a religion with its own codified philosophy and edicts. Sikhi did not end in 1539 as much as you'd have liked it to. The jot continued burning for a further 9 incarnations.
People on here can be so aggressive. It’s Not a religion.
Sikh means student, and if you think it is, you’re ignoring one of the first teachings which is that there is no Hindu, no Muslim, only One. Don’t get it twisted my friend.
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On 7/13/2015 at 1:58 PM, Guest 0121Do1 said:Here in the UK, there have been cases where British born non practicing Sikhs have taken the shahada and become practicing Muslims i.e. turned from their parent's religion Sikhi, to Islam.
I've noted that in this cases, Gursikhs and Amritdharis find out about the person or are approached by the person's family and turn up to the newly converted person's house to make them see sense / see the light.
But this response is reactive rather than pro-active. Person's converted now, heart, mind and soul, bit late for the Singhs to be turning up to the person's house to start their parchaar and try to convince them to turn back to Sikhi (when they were never in it in the first place)
Shouldn't we be reaching these potentially vulnerable and impressionable people before they even take their first step away from Sikhi so to speak, rather than having no involvement in their lives, until they convert, at which point it's time to turn up lol?
Might I suggest GurSikhs step out of their comfort zones and exclusive 'amritdhari-only' social circles, get their hands dirty and reach these people before their targeted, influenced by outside sources, and future generations are lost.
Sikh means student not religion. Truth has existed since the beginning of time and beyond and the Gurus taught us the uncorrupted version of it, and taught it in depth.
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On 4/29/2020 at 1:43 AM, Jonny101 said:
I wasn't talking about myself but about the high status others i.e. Shaheed Singhs. And it's not Nanak, it's Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.
Same thing, when the loves there, doesn’t matter the title. God is everyone everything everywhere, and yet do we acknowledge that.. Nanak is everyone everything everywhere u see, merged in truth recognition with the One. Status doesn’t mean anything when he called himself a lowly worm, he was telling us that no one is high and no one is low.
To be high in status spiritually means to put your head on the ground and accept to be Nothing.
The reason many of the Devi’s and Devtas were not high spiritually is simply because their Ego rose. Where there’s ego, you fall, when you surrender it and lay on the ground, you rise.
Gurbani tells us to see God as the angel and the devil. That’s humility beyond the anger attachment and illusion of the Khel.
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On 4/29/2020 at 6:12 AM, BhForce said:
You're far too gullible for your own benefit. You're the kind of person that would get himself into trouble having befriended a ruthless killer, and then the Singhs would have to come to bail you out.
You also think far too much of yourself and you're not half as smart as you think you are. If you would just consider what you wrote, you would come to the conclusion that, no you can't be friends with a Muslim.
You just wrote that Guru Nanak ji taught that there is no Hindu and no Mussalman. OK, so how can you be friends with someone who doesn't believe that?
Gurbani says:
ਸੋਈ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਮੀਤੁ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵੈ ਸੋਇ ॥
The only one who is my friend is he who sings the praises of God.
ਮੇਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮ ਕੀ ਕੋਈ ਬਾਤ ਸੁਨਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਭਾਈ ਸੋ ਮੇਰਾ ਬੀਰ ॥੨॥
He, who narrates to me the anecdote of my Beloved God; he alone is my brother, and he the friend.
ਸੋ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ ਸੋ ਭਾਈ ਮੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥
He is pure, who sings the pure praise of God, he is my brother and dear to my heart. Pause.
ਮਨਮੁਖ ਸਉ ਕਰਿ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਸੁਖ ਕਿ ਪੁਛਹਿ ਮਿਤ ॥
ਗੁਰਮੁਖ ਸਉ ਕਰਿ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਉ ਲਾਇ ਚਿਤੁ ॥
O friend, when you make friendship with the Manmukh, then how can you ask for good blessings?
Make friendship with Gurmukh and attach your mind with the True Guru.
Do you believe there is no religion? Because I would say that over half the people on here believe that you can convert to Sikhi when it’s not even a religion.
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9 hours ago, Big_Tera said:
Muslims invaders in India massacred millions of our people. Burnt down Gurdwaras and temples and replaced them with mosques.
Forcibly converted and tortured millions into converting to Islam.
Yet we Sikhs and Hindus are told to be friendly with Muslims. Ie wish them a happy Ramadan. Become friends with them. Build them mosques.
Yet after all they did. We Sikhs are suppose to pretend like nothing happened and forget the past.
I will go by saying I have never had a single Muslim friend. I don't see these people as friends but enemy's and will never forget the atrocities committed to our people.
Yet I see in university's, colleges and work places. Sikhs befriending them. Are these people not a utter discrace? That they are befriending these people.
Some foolish Sikhs even start relationships with these people.
As the saying goes. Treat people the way they treat you.
Yet I have come across so many videos on YouTube and other social media platforms. Were we have discraceful Sikhs embracing Muslims and saying we love Muslims.
What has the world come to in this day and age?
Of course they can. Religion is an illusion, there’s only Truth. Sikh means student, it’s not a religion. Guru Nanak taught this in that there is No Hindu, No Muslim, Only One, aka God aka Truth.
Being a Student of Truth (Sat) isn’t just reserved for Punjabi’s or Brown people... the whole of humanity walks to the tune of naam, the whole universe does.
It’s for the White, Chinese, Latino, black, and any other ethnic group left out. External appearance doesn’t matter, we are a All the same and we are a All one, God in every heart and cell.
That’s Truth.
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On 4/23/2020 at 11:21 PM, Jonny101 said:
Shaheed Singhs are much higher in status than angels, prophets and devtas. Only fortunate ones get to have their Darshan. Gurpartap Suraj Granth and Panth Parkash has mentioned about Gupt Shaheed Singh Fauj.
Who’s higher and who’s lower when Nanak called himself a lowly worm. To become the highest, u must accept yourself as the lowest which is what many babas and Kirtan singers forget nowadays.
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Just need to relax and be at peace and stop the mind chatter.
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On 4/20/2020 at 3:34 PM, shastarSingh said:
Just to note that all bhagats are not just brown. Many angels of different colors too.
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On 4/18/2020 at 9:37 PM, puzzled said:
feminism is used as a tool to bring about negative social changes under the guise of "women rights"
who was at the forefront of the sexual liberation/revolution movement in the 70s etc ?
feminists have now grouped up with leftists and gays this trio is now being used to push gay agenda into schools
i know what your saying, i understand but you need to understand how they are using it as a tool to mess things up.
Possibly in ways. I’m not talking about the feminist movement, I’m talking about female empowerment and liberation in general. Every woman should have equal rights and equal treatment to every man. That should just be a given. Some men on here are incredibly sexist which is totally obvious.
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1 hour ago, puzzled said:
current wave of feminists are man haters and a joke they are corrupting society
theres a feminist on youtube complaining her company is sexist because they not turning the air con off
feminists fought for a vote which doesn't even matter lol how is your situation as a female any different depending on which party runs the country? how has your life changed? men or women votes dont count just makes people feel they are doing something important lol!
You’re stereotyping everyone who believes in women’s rights which is silly
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18 hours ago, puzzled said:
i think its a elite society and they control the music/entertainment industry to control us! music/entertainment is the biggest influence in society, it influences change in our society, thought, moral structure, whats acceptable whats not etc
even what we wear! who wears it first? celebs, and then we wear it. celebs are the first to bring about these changes. even what we eat, our diets, social behavior, relationships etc is all influenced by celebs through the media
e.g. the kim k has completely changed the beauty standards in society and in the celeb world. because one woman got her lips and @ss inflated it then became the beauty standard for body type! it just took a couple of women from 1 family! to change how we see beauty
because of stuff like this the plastic surgery etc industry is worth billions. women are going to fake/unqualified surgeons to get bigger butts but are dying on the operation tables because the doctors are filling their butts with concrete, sand etc!
if you look at music vids from the 90s/2000s the women were really nature looking and didnt have massive lips or @ss
thats how influential celebs/media is
illumanti control them to control society
they are making a weak society, with weak leaders, where every1 looks/talks/believes the same
most women in he media are feminists and they endorse feminism, feminism is used to weaken men and create weak men, weak leaders
No, feminism was to empower women, however it’s devolved to include silly things that it shouldn’t. A real feminist knows that it’s just female empowerment, knowing that a woman has equal rights and is equal to men.
Women couldnt vote and work in many places until a few decades ago. Most women I know have been victims of domestic violence or severe emotional abuse, and most women I know have been the victims of sexist men.
Women are Equal to men as shown by Mai Bhago and yet many men still refuse to accept it and believe men to be higher up. Ridiculous in this day and age.
I understand that many men are abused aswell, and that there are also sexist women, however female empowerment is still needed as many women including myself still encounter men who try and crush us and demote us into merely objects to step on to make themselves feel better about themselves, on a regular basis.
Do you know that India is ranked as the 4th most sexist country in the world.
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17 hours ago, genie said:
Each legal system is subjective. One countries or ethnic/religious societies laws is different to another's. For example in hindu india harming a cow is a crime however in the west and muslim countries they kill and make food out of them. In muslims societies and their countries it states in islamic hadith scriptures leaving islam is seen as a huge crime and punishable by death in Sikh religion nothing of the sort is allowed.
Yes we are all sinners however your wrong if you think Guru Nanak Sahib Ji or any of the other Guru sahibans accepted everyone to make their own choices. Had he done that he would have let the man eater carry on eating humans, would have let the mughul emperor barbar and his troops carry on killing and people people. He would have let the hypocrite brahmin pundits carry on discriminating against the lower caste hindu's. He would have stood idly by while madness was going on around.
Yet spoke out challenged the narrative challenged the wrongful evil doers. And in return offered them spiritual redemption from their crimes by accepting they did wrong and to follow the righteous path.
Religious spiritual redemption is different from the temporal societal legal redemption. You can do a crime pay for it spending time in jail but you may believe you did nothing wrong because what you did wasn't wrong but society made it wrong because government created those laws to make it a crime. Such as peaceful protesting but you get nicked under various laws and your chucked in jail for being a troublemaker.
True, the legal system isn’t always entirely fair. Of course he spoke out, hence why I said teach when it’s appropriate. He went to Mecca and taught.. can you imagine the fearlessness... who would even dare to do that today.
With regards to your post, I was saying that mass murderers, cannibals, thieves etc are punished today in civilized societies. Although many may not be detected in third world countries where legal system can be less evolved. We are fortunate to at least have these in place in the countries we live in. I have been around many from third world countries and they have it incredibly tough, we are lucky.
No sin is unforgivable as God forgives in every moment, before we even commit the misdeed. But we pay our dues, as we sow, so we reap. The law of karma applies throughout the universe.
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On 4/11/2020 at 6:01 PM, Kau89r8 said:
Guru Nanak taught there is no Hindu and no Muslim, only One. Therefore there is no conversion. Muslims wanted the Gurus to convert, but there was nothing to convert from. There’s only and has Always only been Truth and Illusion. And the Gurus came to teach the Uncorrupted Truth.
Remember that Sikh means student.
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On 4/16/2020 at 3:04 AM, genie said:
I know in the janamsakhis Guru Nanak Sahib Ji is mentioned to have forgiven and reformed alot of infamous evil characters even mass murdering man eaters.
So I was thinking if the Guru Sahib can forgive and reform evil doers is there any crime us Sikhs would not forgive? and how would we justify harsh punishment for heinous crimes if our own Guru's forgave mass murderers?
The legal system is in place for a reason. We are all just sinners really, some more deluded and making worse choices than others.
Guru Nanak accepted that people are free to make their own choices and that everyone is at their own stages of evolution. So we detach from the rubbish and focus on ourselves and own lives, and accept that all is perfect and as it should be in each moment.
To accept that we ourselves are not perfect, to let it be, not get angry, and teach when it’s called for. I avoid bad eggs, and let it be in acceptance, but I teach others out of their own crap when it’s called for.
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10 hours ago, Premi5 said:9 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:
Would not the story of Kalyug have corresponding actors?
True. The Illuminati is real. Covid is man made.
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On 4/11/2020 at 6:01 PM, Kau89r8 said:
Sikhi is not a religion, it means student. We are One. That’s what Guru Nanak tried to teach us.
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On 9/14/2019 at 9:29 PM, 1Anonymous1 said:
Basically a close family friend has asked my grandad (mona) to take them to a mandir in Walsall for whatever reason as they don’t have a car. My dada ji has agreed to take them but it a bit unsure about the route and doesn’t have enough confidence to use the Tom Tom as it’s broken and faulty.
I said I will go will with him and put the google maps satnav on my phone. I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with going as long as I don’t do namaskar to the moortiyan and take their parshad, I was just going to go in and sit down at the back and once they’re done come back.
However when I told my other relatives (all are non amritdhari) they were like why are you going there? You’re not allowed to go in there! That’s wrong.
I don’t think as a amritdhari I am doing anything wrong to go to a mandir if I just go to sit down and not worship. The only reason I am going is so that my grandad knows the route, if I was going to pray and seek advice from a pandit or do pooja would be different.
Am I committing a sin? Would like to know sangats view
(I know there has been a recent “Hindu Sikh” thread, this has got nothing to do with that).
Guru Nanak went to Mecca. Your friends are sorely misinformed.
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Were western Sikhs better of in Punjab? Instead of UK/Abroad
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I get it and I agree. People in the world are suffering so much. I didn’t realized until I left my bubble in the UK and saw what the world is actually like.