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On 8/18/2020 at 2:54 AM, Jonny101 said:Sat1 ji, I don't see what kuldip ji said that you would consider sexist. A Gurdwara is not a place for inappropriate dressing sense. Bani has made it clear that a woman who is proud of her body and shows off her body by dressing inappropriately is a Gavaar since that body will one day be turned to ash. This is not sexist, it is the truth. Does it make sense to wear skintight leggings in a Gurdwara and matha tek in front of the congregation? Your concept of equality between the sexes is that a woman should be able to do all the things (good or bad) that a man does and in this way you justify women dressing inappropriately. This is post modern nihilism of the west. We don't subscribe to this line of thinking. A Sikh lives according to Maryadha. The ideal dress for a Sikh is Bana, but if one wears something other than Bana it should not be inappropriate.
What a ridiculous post.
These women are not walking around naked. Humans have far too much time to try and find silly faults with others and judge them rather than focus on their own paths. This is the reason why hardly anyone is living in a state of Jivan mukht. Post Modern Nihlism of the west? What about the women wearing the tiniest saris in the east? You’re living in the past and you have a very Islamic mindset. A lot of people on here do. Materialistic and shallow, judging the external so harshly and unfairly.
You claim not to be part of the false and shallow Image Obsessed society, but you’re deep down stuck in it.
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On 8/20/2020 at 1:40 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:You are right. This is internal rehit. Where one controls thoughts and vikaars.
This is very important on the spiritual path.
But there is also external rehit. And there is also the worldly path. As sikhs we are meant to be successful in both.
You cant tell spiritual beginners, that nothing matters. Everything and Everyone is one.
It will not enlighten them but leave them lost and defenseless against maya and the predatory ppl.
This is what the west is doing, telling kids there is no gender, its all a man made construct. This leaves kids lost and confused.
Money is also a man made concept. But very real and important.
Once kids understand gender, money and how it works in the world. Only then can you explain its real value is nothing and how ephemeral it is.
Similarily, external rehit is important. It helps with the internal rehit esp in the beginning when the internal rehit is weak. The states you are talking about are goal posts where we hope to be someday. Seeing everyone as brother, sisters, seeing the one in all. They are not the beginning. Of course we should strive for that, but we will fail many times.
Many sakhis illustrate that the gurus encouraged external rehit even in spiritually advanced people.
1. Baba Budha ji had reached brahmgian and sikhs complained that baba budha ji no longer came to the river to do ishnaan. Guruji showed the sikhs that ganga itself came to bathe babaji. But still guruji told babaji that he should still go to the river to fo ishnaan. even though he did not need it, rehit was important to keep up. So as to not discourage other sikhs on the paath and to follow the gurus hukum.
2. The third guru had outlawed veils for woman. And stated all women must uncover their face when doing darshan. Some princess did not follow this rule and she faced dire consequences. (From what i remember she went crazy). So you see the Guru did care about personal appearances. And telling women not to wear a veil was huge as it was common in hindus and muslims.
Lest you think this supports your view:
3. When Mata Bhago reached brahm gian, she woukd wear a kasher and nothing else. Guru ji also commanded her to cover herself, even though she was beyond the body and had no care of it. Guruji said its important to cover up.
Also, while we control our lust, evolve our psychology and move forward, its important to get young people to ask themselves why they are following harmful societal trends. Why they think dressing inappropriately is important to them, what motivated them?
Because we have a duty to not only our soul, but to the panth as well. To help it stay niara (unique) from society and in chardi kaka ( uplifted from the maladies that affect normal society)
Nice post.
However, how much skin are these women really showing, and are you the Guru to dictate what they do. Humans are free to do what they want. Obviously walking around in a bra and nickers is wrong. But dictating that women cover their arms and legs etc, is wrong. That’s a very Muslim way of thinking. Women in India have historically worn Tiny saris etc. And who cares what they do. There is taking it too far Ie walking around in your underwear, and there isn’t. But the internal rehit is just as important. Guru Ji wasn’t saying cover up completely, he was saying don’t walk around in your undergarments.
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12 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:
If that’s the case, then do you believe that pigs also have souls and can reincarnate as humans? Do you also believe that humans can reincarnate as animals based on their actions? Clarify your statement above, as there is little or no point making empty or hollow statements like above. Ambiguity leads nowhere but confusion! Educate.
No educate yourself by reading sakhis and gurbani. Put the effort in to learn what you don’t understand independently. It’s your path and yours alone. The gyan is there for your taking, served to you on a plate by the Gurus.
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16 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:
You seem ardent enough in your opinions about everything including good souls and bad souls. Can you please do the courtesy to define what a ‘good soul ‘ is ? Are you God? Are you antaryami? Can you tell what I am feeling or about to say? Can you guess what I ask for in my prayers daily? Do you even know if I say my prayers ever?
You really need to stop taking everything personally. The hoochies that I see daily @the gurdwaras and everywhere else have matching actions to accompany their outfits! They are tarty beyond description!
Define ‘ civilised ways’ then? Crude people don’t behave in civilised ways! They are loud, thick and stupid, egoistical, attention seeking and you can imagine how unsightly they look! It’s due to their crude thinking they dress the way they do, after all, we dress to express our inner selves as well as to give decent and suitable coverage to our physical bodies! We dress to express and cover ourselves from the elements and prying eyes!
Women are not objects they are human. Our Gurus assigned equality to both sexes. Men have always carried out their responsibly of being decent women haven’t! They are the ones that impose upon men to treat them like SEX OBJECTS. If men don’t treat them as such they turn WILD! Grow up and take some responsibility and stop moaning!
If the Gurus were walking on earth right now, you would be wearing a turban or some other kind of head covering and decent punjabi suit when going for their darshans, unless you belonged to very poor family with no money to afford decent clothes!Don’t ever make the mistake that the Gurus are not watching you, whether you are inside the gurdwara or outside of it! God is omnipresent. So dress decent. Keep your head covered always, and don’t show too much skin. In other words respect yourself and don’t abuse what God has given you. Don’t be gawaars! Gawaar thinking minds act gawaar and express their gawaar inner selves by dressing in gawaar outfits! Also don’t forget, gawaars also eat gawaar food and drink gawaar things!
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!
What a ridiculous, sexist post. Have you even reread what you’ve just written? Some people on here are unbelievably sexist. You’re turning Sikhi into a form of Islam. Grow up and understand that men and women are equal. You clearly don’t see women as your sisters. Control your own lust and shortcomings.
I’m tired of trying to reason with insecure sexist men on here, it’s such a waste of time and energy. Carry and and learn as it’s willed for you to learn. Good luck.
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2 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:
I have no problem providing detailed response to that post. I have question for you. Can you read and understand Gurbani in Gurmukhi? This question is important because the English translation doesn't accurately translate what Gurbani is saying.
I literally give up with you. Go back and reread your posts, what you say about women, the derogatory comments you make. Then read the Granth one more time, come back and tell me that external appearance means anything. You’re living in an illusion of image as opposed to internal purity. You twist gurbani to serve your chauvinistic, sexist beliefs.
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5 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:
This is why you can't understand Gurbani. You make up stuff in your head and say it is Gurbani. Guru Sahib said those who wear clothing thin as air are fools. Guru sahib described the type of clothing he is talking about. To twist Guru sahib words is disrespectful. Guru Sahib is saying to those who wear clothing thin as air, their clothing will not go along with them, so don't be so arrogant to believe your clothing are special. Those who wear respectable clothing by Sikhi standards do it to follow their Guru. They are not arrogantly wearing those clothes as those who proud themselves of wearing thin clothes to show case their bodies.
Also you are having a hard time understanding the shabad by bhagat kabir ji, which speaks of shaven heads and long hair. Someone else or myself can help you understand it better. Let me know if you want help.
You are taking this discussion personally and swearing.
Read the passage I posted about totally covering yourself. You really need to evolve spiritually and stop being shallow. I’ve read the entire Granth sahib several times. Time and time again, it says that we take nothing with us. About internal purity regardless of your external state. But fanatics like you put a Muslim And sexist twist on it.
I’m nit taking it personally. Your ignorance and sexist views, disrespect for women, and beliefs just baffle me.
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18 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:
Making up false stories about Gurbani is very disrespectful.
Gurbani says those who wear clothes thin as air/wind are fools. So your philosophy is wrong and not Gurbani.
Did you not read the part about clothes not going with you in the end and being burned to ashes. The same goes for all clothes including burkas and full length clothing as you dictate, as well as the human body shell. Symbolism that nothing goes with us. It’s the Soul that goes forth. Hence, the internal purity that matters.
Pur kar kā▫i▫ā kapaṛ pahirā ḏẖovā saḏā kār.
I may totally cover my body with clothes, and wash them continually;
ਬਗਾ ਰਤਾ ਪੀਅਲਾ ਕਾਲਾ ਬੇਦਾ ਕਰੀ ਪੁਕਾਰ ॥
बगा रता पीअला काला बेदा करी पुकार ॥
Bagā raṯā pī▫alā kālā beḏā karī pukār.
I may shout out loud, the white, red, yellow and black Vedas;
ਹੋਇ ਕੁਚੀਲੁ ਰਹਾ ਮਲੁ ਧਾਰੀ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਤਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥
होइ कुचीलु रहा मलु धारी दुरमति मति विकार ॥
Ho▫e kucẖīl rahā mal ḏẖārī ḏurmaṯ maṯ vikār.
I may even live in dirt and filth. And yet, all this is just a product of evil-mindedness, and intellectual corruption.
ਨਾ ਹਉ ਨਾ ਮੈ ਨਾ ਹਉ ਹੋਵਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥੧॥
ना हउ ना मै ना हउ होवा नानक सबदु वीचारि ॥१॥
Nā ha▫o nā mai nā ha▫o hovā Nānak sabaḏ vīcẖār. ||1||
I was not, I am not, and I will never be anything at all! O Nanak, I dwell only on the Word of the Shabad. ||1||Kabīr parīṯ ik si▫o kī▫e ān ḏubiḏẖā jā▫e.
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥
भावै लांबे केस करु भावै घररि मुडाइ ॥२५॥
Bẖāvai lāʼnbe kes kar bẖāvai gẖarar mudā▫e. ||25||
You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25||1 -
1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:
ਮਃ ੫ ॥
Fifth Mehla:ਵਾਊ ਸੰਦੇ ਕਪੜੇ ਪਹਿਰਹਿ ਗਰਬਿ ਗਵਾਰ ॥
ਮੂਰਖ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਬਾਰੀਕ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਬੜੀ ਆਕੜ ਨਾਲ ਪਹਿਨਦੇ ਹਨ,
They wears clothes thin like the air/wind, what a proud fool they are!ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਚਲਨੀ ਜਲਿ ਬਲਿ ਹੋਏ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
ਪਰ ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! (ਮਰਨ ਤੇ ਇਹ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਜੀਵ ਦੇ) ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਂਦੇ, (ਏਥੇ ਹੀ) ਸੜ ਕੇ ਸੁਆਹ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ।੨।
O Nanak, they will not go with him in the end; they shall be burnt to ashes. ||2||SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 318
RAAG GAUREE GURU ARJAN DEV JIThanks to poster @puzzled for presenting this shabad that wearing of revealing clothing is wrong by Gurbani standards.
I hope after this shabad, you @Sat1 are content with Gurbani.
Goodness. It also says that man can shave his head or have his hair unshaved, it makes no difference. Grow up and stop being so shallow and understand that your outer appearance doesn’t mean or make you shite. It’s the internal that matters. All truly spiritual people know that.
That passage is telling you that Clothes do not matter, they don’t go with you in the end whether you’re fully covered or not. You understand what suits you and twist gurbani to your own needs as so many in the world do.
Gurbani doesn’t change just because you twist it. Truth is Truth. We come alone with Nothing, we go with Nothing. No clothes, no money, no human body, no nothing. Just the immaterial Soul.
Get your own house in order first and let others walk their own path without trying to control. Control yourself first.
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On 8/8/2020 at 11:42 PM, brotha said:
Give it any name, but the main objective should be to bring us the awareness of the supreme importance of the teachings in the Bani, to make possible our union with our origin, Waheguru Akal Purukh.
We’re already merged with Him. We just need to remember and accept it. We are Truth, He’s us and We’re Him.
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On 8/10/2020 at 4:01 PM, puzzled said:
Thanks so it's like a vibration running through the universe and creation
It’s the Primal Sound. When you go deep into samadhi.. and sit in Our Origin, it goes silent. Silence is our origin. There’s nothing there, only a frequency beyond the mortal comprehension.
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5 hours ago, shastarSingh said:
All the nihangs say that when they read gurbani sitting near to their horse, the horse quietly listens to the bani.
God bless horses!
Lol. They are beings with a soul too. Animals can also sense the Truth presence as we can.
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2 hours ago, learningkaur said:
These girls aren’t wearing revealing clothes though? I’m sure the sikh society welcome Amritdari girls to be committee members but maybe they already have existing sangat (most likely also commute to uni too) and therefore don't join. The sikh society can be a place for non orthodox sikhs to increase their gyan and sangat. I was a committee member at uni and I remember being told they want more moneh as the face to bring more moneh in- it really depends on the goals of the society. To bring likeminded practicing sikhs together vs bringing newbie/non practicing sikhs into sikhi. We did simran every week when I was there and no singhnia turned up. Most likely because they already had local gurdwara to go to unlike the people living in this new city for uni.
P.s There are plenty of sikhs with non sikh names out there... due to a husband who refused any sikh names when we had kids- my own kids have western sounding name.. although can still be found in SGGSJ if pronounced in a indian way.
The Gurus taught people from all walks of life. They never imposed anything on anyone. They respected Freedom of Choice. Had they had the mentality of only teaching certain people wearing a certain type of clothing, India may well have been overtaken by the Moghuls and the preservation of SGGSJi may never have been possible.. and not many people would have been taught the beautiful gyan that was taught.
Guru Nanak travelled far and wide. Unfortunately, many fanatical Sikhs have twisted the teachings to their liking and have become highly judgemental and selective, thinking the gyan and the Bhagti path to belong to them solely, sometimes only based on their external dress. A very shallow and Egoistic way of practicing gurbani. This is called ego of seva, or trishna, and is where many fall off the path.
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2 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:
I think not all women dress in revealing clothes I must say. The singhniyan look pretty decent in their bana. Why can’t the rest dress like them? What have they got to lose? They have everything to gain? Why do they choose to look like hussies or slappers when they can choose to look like goddesses? The little hoochies have no dress sense!
What right have you got to call a woman a hoochie. How do you know she sleeps around and what her daily actions are. She could be a good soul. You judge on the external and forget the internal state of others which reflects your probable neglect of your own internal state.
Half of these woman may have acted in more civilized ways than you and never called a woman or a man a slapper or a Hussie or judged people so quickly before working on their own thieves first. It’s people like you who are fanatical and begin to mirror the Muslim mentality that women are objects who’s external appearance defines who they are. Who cares what they look like. And why would any woman take advice from you when you use such derogatory terms for women based on their appearance.
How fickle, materialistic and shallow can a human be to judge based on that.
Do you really think if the Gurus were walking in the earth now, that they would have said what you’ve just said.. The great souls who taught equality and respect of women.
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3 hours ago, Akalifauj said:in my first post I said there is no ifs here. Wearing of tight clothing that reveal the curves of the body or showing skin, like legs and chest for women is not respectful in Sikhi. And any sikh women who dresses in this way should not be in any leadership role for Sikhi. It is setting a bad example for how a Sikh is to present themselves before Akal Purakh in the world. You can rant and rave about men and women are the same, but biologically, psychologically, and socially men and women are very different.
When it comes to spiritual wisdom from Gurbani. A person who truly practices spiritual wisdom from Gurbani will see the merit in a woman dressing respectfully. She will latch onto the wisdom of the Guru to be compassionate and have contentment. A stable mind by Gurbani standards is a person who doesn't adhere to worldly standards of beauty and fashion. She will adhere to the beauty standard of Gurbani. Exposing particular parts of the body for a women is to attract sexual attention from others. There is no compassion or contentment in such act. So what leadership qualities according to Gurbani can such a women instill in others? None, she is lost in vain pursuits. The audience listening to her will not take her seriously according to Gurbani standards and the men will be busy fantasizing about her sexually and women will be busy envying her on looks. If a women wants to be respected according to her Guru's standards. Then don't expose skin like legs and chest or back and don't wear clothing that will expose the shape of the body. Don't do it for parents or husband or society. Do it for the Guru. That's who counts. At the end, society can't save you from death or pull you out from the clutches of dharamraj. Only Guru Sahib will look at your compassion, contentment, and dedication to him and pull you out of deaths reach.
Your real test is looking past the external appearance, because it means nothing. The internal appearance is just as important. Guru Gobind Singh Ji dressed as a Prince, and yet had the heart of one with Nothing. The very fact that these issues upset you so much, show there’s something wrong with you.
A man wearing tight clothing will also attract attention to himself. But if I’m in a Gurdwarra and a man in tight clothing walks in, my first reaction is to have No reaction. Because I’d see him as a brother. A woman in tight clothing, you should see as a Sister.
Any woman, a prostitute, a dancer, Beyoncé. Sister. Other than your partner. The reason being that we are All Gods kids and he loves us Equally. If he didn’t, the prostitute wouldn’t wake up in the morning. He’d deprive her of the sun, her clothes, her life. But He Is everyone everything everywhere, as much as you don’t want to see or acknowledge it. Until you stop seeing women as Objects of desire, you will never evolve your psychology or see females with an equal eye as the Gurus did.
The fault is with the men who fantasize sexually... and women’s envy. The entire Middle East covers up for your reasoning, that men supposedly have no self control. How is that the woman’s problem. The Gurus spoke out against sexism, not condone and encourage it.
Control your Own lust, evolve your own psychology and move forward on your Own path.
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18 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:
Oneness means everything is Sat1's way bro.
I’ve already reported you to admin for trolling. Go and find someone else to cyber stalk. You obviously do not have a life, very obsessive and it’s quite disturbing.
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5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:
Calling a wh4re a wh4re is also God's Will working through me. He wants me to spread the word amongst the believers to open their eyes! Praise the Lord!
Someone may think that you’re one if you haven’t got your theif of lust in check.
16 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:Oneness means everything is Sat1's way bro.
16 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:Oneness means everything is Sat1's way bro.
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On 9/25/2019 at 1:00 PM, Ranjeet01 said:
There are women who wear these types outfits to get ahead also.
In large corporates you see a lot of game players from both genders and the fitting/revealing clothing is a ploy used by some women.
I used to work at one place and there was a woman who was middle management, completely useless but knew how to play the game. The moment her job was under threat, the blouses got lower cut, the skirts got shorter.
I’ve also seen men who sleep their way to the top and wear tight clothes to work. Who.re isn’t a term just reserved for women In society, nor is it a polite or civilized term which should ever be used. It’s a sexist term used by Primitive souls, both make and female.
Ganika was a prostitute and look how she turned out. You cannot force Gods will or Hukam.. everything is as he’s willed it, who are you to judge it.. or to judge his children when everyone is walking on their own path as they deserve to.
Judge and work on Yourself First.
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14 hours ago, Akalifauj said:
Yes people need to focus on themselves. However these girls are representing Sikh societies in university. They need to act and dress in a way that does not show bad behavior. Dressing to highlight and reveal legs and chest is not respectful in Sikhi. Wearing tight clothes to show case the body is not acceptable in Sikhi. There is no ifs here. Its hard to be a Sikh and being a Sikh carries a lot of weight. So does being a surgeon, but you wouldn't want a unhygienic and 25% pass surgeon operating on you. So why is it acceptable for women that don't respect the way Sikhs are to dress leading Sikh university society's? A body death at the hands of a surgeon is a temporary removal from this world. However death of the soul at the hands of these women is an absolute death.
Have you ever worn a tight top or vest and shorts of said the same of a Sikh man wearing a tight top or a vest and shorts? Do you not think that women (And maybe men) ogle over you when you do or perve on a man who does that same?
Would you say it’s their fault and that they brought it on by wearing such clothing, even if it was 35 degrees out and they didn’t want to cover up?
Or would you say that the people doing the ogling are at fault for not focusing on their own lives and journey and working to live free of the thieves as per the teachings of Gurbani
Are you yourself perfect and in any place to judge another human being and have you put in the effort to change yourself and live free of the theieves?
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11 minutes ago, Kaurr said:
Sharam is something that we've lost
If anyone tries to say something to these girls they'll start attacking you and saying My body My rules
Plenty of Sikh guys who wear tight tops and shorts. And no one calls them slags. There is No Difference. Humans are Free to do and wear what they want.
The external doesn’t determine the internal state. Who are you to judge.
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On 9/22/2019 at 3:57 PM, kcmidlands said:
What he said, people need to focus on their own journey instead of trying to fault others, if they want to dress like that then that's up to them, if your offended, don't look, you can make all the assumptions you want but you don't know them or who they are, also, take a look at Indian history and what women (and men) used to wear throughout the ages.
A good and sensible post.
This thread reminds me of the Muslim rule for women to cover up because they assume that men can not control themselves.
What’s it to anyone else what anyone wears. You can have an amritshak woman who is fully covered who’s actions are demonic, and a woman who dresses how you perceive to be inappropriately but who’s actions are angelic. Judge yourself and work on yourself before judging others
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On 9/22/2019 at 11:25 AM, AjeetSingh2019 said:Parenting gone typically wrong. I wonder what kinds of parents these girls have.
I was at a technology meetup yesterday and a random stranger sikh girl had come there too. I knew she was "sikh" because I heard the receptionist call out "kaur" at her last name.
What was shocking was she was typical of the short-framed punjabi girls we see nowadays , and she ignored me till the last. I had thought she would call me out considering I was the only turbaned guy in the event and we would have some random conversation in punjabi , but she kept biting her lips like a slag, accompanied with a monah, probably non-sikh guy who looked like a bihari TBH .
Sikhs failed to become good parents I tell u !
Lucky thing she didn’t talk to you, a guy who calls a woman a slag just because she didn’t speak to you. What a ridiculous post
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On 8/8/2008 at 7:40 AM, xHarinder_singh said:
Couple of days back, I visited an itihaasak Guru Ghar and took a rickshaw after dropping out of the bus. The veer pulling the rickshaw was an amritdhari. When I tried to give him money, he refused and said that he doesnt take money from fellow amritdharis. He said he pulls rickshaw about 8 hours a day, it keeps his body in good health, while driving rickshaw, he keeps on singing gurbani and japping Naam, he gets the chance to do seva of Guru ke sangat everyday who sit on his rickshaw and make his rickshaw pavitarr(pure).
He starts his job at 7 am after doing his nitnem, takes 2 hours rest in the afternoon and at sharp 5 pm, calls it a day( irrespective of the amount of money he earned) and goes to Gurdwara Sahib to listen to Kirtan.
I feel this veer's job is the best job on the planet. It is also the most clean(suchi) job as he does "dassan nauhan di kirat" in reality. I feel this veer shud be the role model of sikh youth. He in reality is practicing naam jappna, kirat karni, seva karni, santokh rakhna.
I know a guy who makes a lot of money who’s in samadhi continuously. Doesn’t matter what you do
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20 hours ago, shastarSingh said:
The first part of that is good. You should mass send this out to everyone you know on Facebook etc
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21 hours ago, puzzled said:
Do most people just end up in hell or some other low lifeform? And just small % of people actually make to a heavenly abode and even smaller actually make it to sachkhand?
Read some Buddhist writing and it said you can be tortured in hell for a million years though in earth days it's just a couple of days.
Just be a good person, practice Gurbani and don’t hurt others. People should be good because it’s the right thing to do, not for the fear of hell.
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Why are very unclothed girls running university sikh societies?
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Who cares what they think. Again, shallow.