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  1. 12 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:

    If that’s the case, then do you believe that pigs also have souls and can reincarnate as humans? Do you also believe that humans can reincarnate as animals based on their actions?  Clarify your statement above, as there is little or no point making empty or hollow statements like above. Ambiguity leads nowhere but confusion! Educate.

    No educate yourself by reading sakhis and gurbani. Put the effort in to learn what you don’t understand independently. It’s your path and yours alone. The gyan is there for your taking, served to you on a plate by the Gurus. 

  2. 16 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:

    You seem ardent enough in your opinions about everything including good souls and bad souls.  Can you please do the courtesy to define what a ‘good soul ‘ is ? Are you God? Are you antaryami? Can you tell what I am feeling or about to say? Can you guess what I ask for in my prayers daily? Do you even know if I say my prayers ever? 
     

    You really need to stop taking everything personally. The hoochies that I see daily @the gurdwaras and everywhere else have matching actions to accompany their outfits! They are tarty beyond description! 
     

    Define ‘ civilised ways’ then? Crude people don’t behave in civilised ways! They are loud, thick and stupid, egoistical, attention seeking and you can imagine how unsightly they look!  It’s due to their crude thinking they dress the way they do, after all, we dress to express our inner selves as well as to give decent and suitable coverage to our physical bodies! We dress to express and cover ourselves from the elements and prying eyes! 
     

    Women are not objects they are human. Our Gurus assigned equality to both sexes. Men have always carried out their responsibly of being decent women haven’t! They are the ones that impose upon men to treat them like SEX OBJECTS. If men don’t treat them as such they turn WILD!  Grow up and take some responsibility and stop moaning!

    If the Gurus were walking on earth right now,  you would be wearing a turban or some other kind of head covering and decent punjabi suit when going for their darshans, unless you belonged to very poor family with no money to afford decent clothes! 

     

    Don’t ever make the mistake that the Gurus are not watching you, whether you are inside the gurdwara or outside of it! God is omnipresent. So dress decent.  Keep your head covered always, and don’t show too much skin. In other words respect yourself and don’t abuse what God has given you. Don’t be gawaars!  Gawaar thinking minds act gawaar and express their gawaar inner selves by dressing in gawaar outfits! Also don’t forget, gawaars also eat gawaar food  and drink gawaar things!

     

    ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!
     

     

    What a ridiculous, sexist post. Have you even reread what you’ve just written? Some people on here are unbelievably sexist. You’re turning Sikhi into a form of Islam. Grow up and understand that men and women are equal. You clearly don’t see women as your sisters. Control your own lust and shortcomings.
     

    I’m tired of trying to reason with insecure sexist men on here, it’s such a waste of time and energy. Carry and and learn as it’s willed for you to learn. Good luck.

  3. 2 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

    I have no problem providing  detailed response to that post. I have question for you.  Can you read and understand Gurbani in Gurmukhi? This question is important because the English translation doesn't accurately translate what Gurbani is saying.

    I literally give up with you. Go back and reread your posts, what you say about women, the derogatory comments you make. Then read the Granth one more time, come back and tell me that external appearance means anything. You’re living in an illusion of image as opposed to internal purity. You twist gurbani to serve your chauvinistic, sexist beliefs. 

  4. 5 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

    This is why you can't understand Gurbani.  You make up stuff in your head and say it is Gurbani.  Guru Sahib said those who wear clothing thin as air are fools.  Guru sahib described the type of clothing he is talking about.  To twist Guru sahib words is disrespectful. Guru Sahib is saying to those who wear clothing thin as air, their clothing will not go along with them, so don't be so arrogant to believe your clothing are special.  Those who wear respectable clothing by Sikhi standards do it to follow their Guru.  They are not arrogantly wearing those clothes as those who proud themselves of wearing thin clothes to show case their bodies. 

    Also you are having a hard time understanding the shabad by bhagat kabir ji, which speaks of shaven heads and long hair.  Someone else or myself can help you understand it better.  Let me know if you want help.

    You are taking this discussion personally and swearing.  

    Read the passage I posted about totally covering yourself. You really need to evolve spiritually and stop being shallow. I’ve read the entire Granth sahib several times. Time and time again, it says that we take nothing with us. About internal purity regardless of your external state. But fanatics like you put a Muslim And sexist twist on it. 
     

    I’m nit taking it personally. Your ignorance and sexist views, disrespect for women, and beliefs just baffle me. 

  5. 18 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

    Making up false stories about Gurbani is very disrespectful.   

     

     

    Gurbani says those who wear clothes thin as air/wind are fools.  So your philosophy is wrong and not Gurbani.

     Did you not read the part about clothes not going with you in the end and being burned to ashes. The same goes for all clothes including burkas and full length clothing as you dictate, as well as the human body shell. Symbolism that nothing goes with us. It’s the Soul that goes forth. Hence, the internal purity that matters. 
     

    Pur kar kā▫i▫ā kapaṛ pahirā ḏẖovā saḏā kār. 
    I may totally cover my body with clothes, and wash them continually; 
     
    ਬਗਾ ਰਤਾ ਪੀਅਲਾ ਕਾਲਾ ਬੇਦਾ ਕਰੀ ਪੁਕਾਰ  
    बगा रता पीअला काला बेदा करी पुकार ॥ 
    Bagā raṯā pī▫alā kālā beḏā karī pukār. 
    I may shout out loud, the white, red, yellow and black Vedas; 
     
    ਹੋਇ ਕੁਚੀਲੁ ਰਹਾ ਮਲੁ ਧਾਰੀ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਤਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ  
    होइ कुचीलु रहा मलु धारी दुरमति मति विकार ॥ 
    Ho▫e kucẖīl rahā mal ḏẖārī ḏurmaṯ maṯ vikār. 
    I may even live in dirt and filth. And yet, all this is just a product of evil-mindedness, and intellectual corruption. 
     
    ਨਾ ਹਉ ਨਾ ਮੈ ਨਾ ਹਉ ਹੋਵਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥੧॥ 
    ना हउ ना मै ना हउ होवा नानक सबदु वीचारि ॥१॥ 
    Nā ha▫o nā mai nā ha▫o hovā Nānak sabaḏ vīcẖār. ||1|| 
    I was not, I am not, and I will never be anything at all! O Nanak, I dwell only on the Word of the Shabad. ||1|| 

     

    Kabīr parīṯ ik si▫o kī▫e ān ḏubiḏẖā jā▫e. 
    Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart. 
     

    ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥ 
    भावै लांबे केस करु भावै घररि मुडाइ ॥२५॥ 
    Bẖāvai lāʼnbe kes kar bẖāvai gẖarar mudā▫e. ||25|| 
    You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25|| 

  6. 1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

    ਮਃ ੫ ॥
    Fifth Mehla:

    ਵਾਊ ਸੰਦੇ ਕਪੜੇ ਪਹਿਰਹਿ ਗਰਬਿ ਗਵਾਰ ॥
    ਮੂਰਖ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਬਾਰੀਕ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਬੜੀ ਆਕੜ ਨਾਲ ਪਹਿਨਦੇ ਹਨ, 
    They wears clothes thin like the air/wind, what a proud fool they are!

    ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਚਲਨੀ ਜਲਿ ਬਲਿ ਹੋਏ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
    ਪਰ ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! (ਮਰਨ ਤੇ ਇਹ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਜੀਵ ਦੇ) ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਂਦੇ, (ਏਥੇ ਹੀ) ਸੜ ਕੇ ਸੁਆਹ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ।੨।
    O Nanak, they will not go with him in the end; they shall be burnt to ashes. ||2||

    SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI - 318 
    RAAG GAUREE GURU ARJAN DEV JI

    Thanks to poster @puzzled  for presenting this shabad that wearing of revealing clothing is wrong by Gurbani standards. 

    I hope after this shabad, you @Sat1 are content with Gurbani.  

    Goodness. It also says that man can shave his head or have his hair unshaved, it makes no difference. Grow up and stop being so shallow and understand that your outer appearance doesn’t mean or make you shite. It’s the internal that matters. All truly spiritual people know that. 
     

    That passage is telling you that Clothes do not matter, they don’t go with you in the end whether you’re fully covered or not. You understand what suits you and twist gurbani to your own needs as so many in the world do.
     

    Gurbani doesn’t change just because you twist it. Truth is Truth. We come alone with Nothing, we go with Nothing. No clothes, no money, no human body, no nothing. Just the immaterial Soul. 

    Get your own house in order first and let others walk their own path without trying to control. Control yourself first. 

  7. On 8/8/2020 at 11:42 PM, brotha said:

     

    Give it any name, but the main objective should be to bring us the awareness of the supreme importance of the teachings in the Bani, to make possible our union  with our origin, Waheguru Akal Purukh.

    We’re already merged with Him. We just need to remember and accept it. We are Truth, He’s us and We’re Him. 

  8. 2 hours ago, learningkaur said:

    These girls aren’t wearing revealing clothes though? I’m sure the sikh society welcome Amritdari girls to be committee members but maybe they already have existing sangat (most likely also commute to uni too) and therefore don't join. The sikh society can be a place for non orthodox sikhs to increase their gyan and sangat. I was a committee member at uni and I remember being told they want more moneh as the face to bring more moneh in- it really depends on the goals of the society. To bring likeminded practicing sikhs together vs bringing newbie/non practicing sikhs into sikhi. We did simran every week when I was there and no singhnia turned up. Most likely because they already had local gurdwara to go to unlike the people living in this new city for uni. 
     

    P.s There are plenty of sikhs with non sikh names out there... due to a husband who refused any sikh names when we had kids- my own kids have western sounding name..  although can still be found in SGGSJ if pronounced in a indian way.

    The Gurus taught people from all walks of life. They never imposed anything on anyone. They respected Freedom of Choice. Had they had the mentality of only teaching certain people wearing a certain type of clothing, India may well have been overtaken by the Moghuls and the preservation of SGGSJi may never have been possible.. and not many people would have been taught the beautiful gyan that was taught. 
     

    Guru Nanak travelled far and wide. Unfortunately, many fanatical Sikhs have twisted the teachings to their liking and have become highly judgemental and selective, thinking the gyan and the Bhagti path to belong to them solely, sometimes only based on their external dress. A very shallow and Egoistic way of practicing gurbani.  This is called ego of seva, or trishna, and is where many fall off the path. 
     


     

     

  9. 2 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:

    @Sat1 

    I think not all women dress in revealing clothes I must say. The singhniyan look pretty decent in their bana. Why can’t the rest dress like them?  What have they got to lose?  They have everything to gain? Why do they choose to look like hussies or slappers when they can choose to look like goddesses? The little hoochies have no dress sense!

    What right have you got to call a woman a hoochie. How do you know she sleeps around and what her daily actions are. She could be a good soul. You judge on the external and forget the internal state of others which reflects your probable neglect of your own internal state. 
     

    Half of these woman may have acted in more civilized ways than you and never called a woman or a man a slapper or a Hussie or judged people so quickly before working on their own thieves first. It’s people like you who are fanatical and begin to mirror the Muslim mentality that women are objects who’s external appearance defines who they are. Who cares what they look like. And why would any woman take advice from you when you use such derogatory terms for women based on their appearance.
     

    How fickle, materialistic and shallow can a human be to judge based on that.
     

    Do you really think if the Gurus were walking in the earth now, that they would have said what you’ve just said.. The great souls who taught equality and respect of women. 

  10. 5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

    Calling a wh4re a wh4re is also God's Will working through me. He wants me to spread the word amongst the believers to open their eyes! Praise the Lord! ???

    Someone may think that you’re one if you haven’t got your theif of lust in check. 

     

    16 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

    Oneness means everything is Sat1's way bro.  

     

    16 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

    Oneness means everything is Sat1's way bro.  

  11. On 9/25/2019 at 1:00 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

    There are women who wear these types outfits to get ahead also.

    In large corporates you see a lot of game players from both genders and the fitting/revealing clothing is a ploy used by some women.

    I used to work at one place and there was a woman who was middle management,  completely useless but knew how to play the game. The moment her job was under threat, the blouses got lower cut, the skirts got shorter.

    I’ve also seen men who sleep their way to the top and wear tight clothes to work. Who.re isn’t a term just reserved for women In society, nor is it a polite or civilized term which should ever be used. It’s a sexist term used by Primitive souls, both make and female. 
     

    Ganika was a prostitute and look how she turned out. You cannot force Gods will or Hukam.. everything is as he’s willed it, who are you to judge it.. or to judge his children when everyone is walking on their own path as they deserve to.

     

    Judge and work on Yourself First. 

  12. 14 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

    Yes people need to focus on themselves.   However these girls are representing Sikh societies in university.   They need to act and dress in a way that does not show bad behavior.   Dressing to highlight and reveal legs and chest is not respectful in Sikhi.  Wearing tight clothes to show case the body is not acceptable in Sikhi.  There is no ifs here.  Its hard to be a Sikh and being a Sikh carries a lot of weight.  So does being a surgeon, but you wouldn't want a unhygienic and 25% pass surgeon operating on you.  So why is it acceptable for women that don't respect the way Sikhs are to dress leading Sikh university society's?  A body death at the hands of a surgeon is a temporary removal from this world.  However death of the soul at the hands of these women is an absolute death.  

    Have you ever worn a tight top or vest and shorts of said the same of a Sikh man wearing a tight top or a vest and shorts? Do you not think that women (And maybe men) ogle over you when you do or perve on a man who does that same?

    Would you say it’s their fault and that they brought it on by wearing such clothing, even if it was 35 degrees out and they didn’t want to cover up?

    Or would you say that the people doing the ogling are at fault for not focusing on their own lives and journey and working to live free of the thieves as per the teachings of Gurbani

    Are you yourself perfect and in any place to judge another human being and have you put in the effort to change yourself and live free of the theieves?

  13. 11 minutes ago, Kaurr said:

    Sharam is something that we've lost

    If anyone tries to say something to these girls they'll start attacking you and saying My body My rules

     

    Plenty of Sikh guys who wear tight tops and shorts. And no one calls them slags. There is No Difference. Humans are Free to do and wear what they want. 

    The external doesn’t determine the internal state. Who are you to judge. 

  14. On 9/22/2019 at 3:57 PM, kcmidlands said:

    What he said, people need to focus on their own journey instead of trying to fault others, if they want to dress like that then that's up to them, if your offended, don't look, you can make all the assumptions you want but you don't know them or who they are, also, take a look at Indian history and what women (and men) used to wear throughout the ages.

    A good and sensible post. 
     

    This thread reminds me of the Muslim rule for women to cover up because they assume that men can not control themselves. 
     

    What’s it to anyone else what anyone wears. You can have an amritshak woman who is fully covered who’s actions are demonic, and a woman who dresses how you perceive to be inappropriately but who’s actions are angelic. Judge yourself and work on yourself before judging others

  15. On 8/8/2008 at 7:40 AM, xHarinder_singh said:

    Couple of days back, I visited an itihaasak Guru Ghar and took a rickshaw after dropping out of the bus. The veer pulling the rickshaw was an amritdhari. When I tried to give him money, he refused and said that he doesnt take money from fellow amritdharis. He said he pulls rickshaw about 8 hours a day, it keeps his body in good health, while driving rickshaw, he keeps on singing gurbani and japping Naam, he gets the chance to do seva of Guru ke sangat everyday who sit on his rickshaw and make his rickshaw pavitarr(pure).

    He starts his job at 7 am after doing his nitnem, takes 2 hours rest in the afternoon and at sharp 5 pm, calls it a day( irrespective of the amount of money he earned) and goes to Gurdwara Sahib to listen to Kirtan.

    I feel this veer's job is the best job on the planet. It is also the most clean(suchi) job as he does "dassan nauhan di kirat" in reality. I feel this veer shud be the role model of sikh youth. He in reality is practicing naam jappna, kirat karni, seva karni, santokh rakhna.

    I know a guy who makes a lot of money who’s in samadhi continuously. Doesn’t matter what you do

  16. 21 hours ago, puzzled said:

    Do most people just end up in hell or some other low lifeform?  And just small % of people actually make to a heavenly abode and even smaller actually make it to sachkhand?  

    Read some Buddhist writing and it said you can be tortured in hell for a million years though in earth days it's just a couple of days. 

     

    Just be a good person, practice Gurbani and don’t hurt others. People should be good because it’s the right thing to do, not for the fear of hell. 

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