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  1. On 3/7/2024 at 10:02 AM, ipledgeblue said:

    Also nobody really got back about gurdwaras being used like restaurants and diners.   Who started this recent tradition of wearing shoes at langar, is it a colonial army thing, did soldiers bring this to gurdwaras?

    It's strange because it was practiced across many uk gurdwaras in the past, yet those who migrated from Panjab would never have seen this back in Panjab gurdwaras, so how did this shoes and tables thing even come about for langars?

    Who started the men and women sitting seperately in western gurdwaras? you don't see this behaviour in India. Will you complain about that as well? 

  2. On 3/13/2024 at 11:39 AM, Singh1989 said:

    Yes to the restaurant part... more like party halls: round dining table and shoes.

    DK about other Gurudwara but our own Guru ghar has men n women sitting together/ same line in Langhar halls. This also gets to me sometimes.  

    That is completely normal. This seperation of men and women is only found in western gurdwaras. In India families sit together whether it is in the Gurdwara proper or the Langar hall. 

  3. They could offer both floor and table seating. With today's western lifestyle people are less flexible and may find it hard to eat on the floor. 

    Say what you will about the fixo and trim Singhs, there are still far more turbaned Sikhs in a Ramgarhia Gurdwara sangat than a Singh Sabha one. 

    The majority of Ramgarhias came from Africa, I'm one of the few whose parents both came from India. The Africa influence is big amongst them, even their offspring. I've seen several wear Kenya wristbands, something I find very strange as they were pretty much kicked out of there. They also like to go on about Makindu Gurdwara like it is equivalent to Harmandir Sahib and Anandpur Sahib! If I was ever kicked out of the UK you wouldn't see me wearing the Union Jack. 

    Anyway the majority of the youngsters in Slough are abandoning both Ramgarhia and Singh Sabha and are going to Guru Maneyo Granth instead. 

  4. 3 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

     

    @Ranjeet01 @ChardikalaUK

    At least they are authentic with their hate say it to your face unlike rest.. gangu brahmins

    Muslims mps have stood up at times in Sikh issues (yes i know its politics) but it is what it is. More than our fellow hindu 'bros'. 

    Look at how those infamaous Jews figures in usa ...banking Hollywood media how they screw folks over.. look who runs those p*do elites jefferey epstien...they are no saints... 

    what we accuse them we have in our own kaum but smaller ratio...(kps gill etc)

    Being a minority in the West and seeing what i've noticed all last few yrs...we better siding with muslims then brahmins jews gora right wing types. 

    If they come for Muslims they will come for us too...

     

     

    Mr Patel or Mr Sharma next door are unlikely to groom your daughter or try to convert her. 

    Suls are the absolute worst people to live amongst. 

  5. 3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    The problem is a semitic problem.

    Globally both sides are as bad as each other. They are sadistic and evil as each other.

    You can empathise with a Palestinian to certain extent but make no mistake those innocent Palestinians can turn on you in an instant. That is why you have to mindful of the compassion you show towards them. And if the tables were turned with Israel you would see a completely different side to them.

    The muslim approach is to behave in an orc (Lord of the Rings)like manner .

    The Jewish approach is to infiltrate the upper echelons of their host societies.

    In the west, you are very unlikely to interact with a jew unless you operate in the upper circles. 

    The only way for the world to get better would be de-abrahamise and de-arabise this region.

    The Palestinians are no different than any other Muslim group. I have little to no sympathy for them given how Sikhs in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been treated in modern times. Bethlehem had a Christian population of 85% in 1993, today it is 15%, that should tell you everything. 

    https://thediplomat.com/2014/09/the-killing-of-the-sikhs/

    Screw these suls and let them fight their own battles. They love killing each other anyway when there is no yahood, Hindu or Sikh to fight against. 

  6. 3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    It gives an interesting insight into the muslim psyche. 

    Muslim kill Muslim: no outrage

    Muslim kill non-Muslim: no outrage

    Non-Muslim kill Muslim: outrage, but this is conditional. Broken down to:

    Non-muslim kill non-Arab Muslim: some outrage, but down the pecking order.

    Unapologetic Non-Muslim kill non-arab Muslim: even less outrage as Muslim gets scared.

    Non-muslim kill Arab muslim: complete uproar.

    What needs to be seen is how a non-apologetic genocidal ruthless non-muslim kill arab muslim.

    People may think the Israelis are, but the Jews could easily wipe out the Gazan population if they wanted to.

    If the Jews were sadistic, they would flood those tunnels where the Hamas are holed up.

    However, there are calls for a ceasefire and the concern is those 2 million Gazans being refugees and shoved into Europe. 

    We are seeing what is happening with all these Syrians and Iraqis coming into Europe. 

     

    It's true, that's why there was no widespread outrage about the massacres against the Gujarati/Rohingaya/Uyghur muslims. 

    Anyway they are a violent people. Live by the sword die by the sword. 

  7.  

    5 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    The muslim countries do not care about the Palestinians as they are quite troublesome. 

    However, because Israel is there then they seem to show some care for the Palestinians. 

    The muslim's problem with Israel is that it is Jewish. 

    The Gulf countries (with exception of Qatar) are more interested in fermenting economic links with Israel.

    Here some facts about the Palestinians. 

    Most of the population of Jordan is Palestinan and they tried to overthrow the monarchy there. Read up about Black September. Do you know who helped out the Jordanians, the Pakistanis. 

    Lebanon had a civil war from about 1975 to 1990. Do you know how it largely? The very large Palestinian refugee camps there. PLO was based in Lebanon.

    Kuwait had a large Palestinian population. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, who did the Palestinians support? The Iraqis. The Kuwaitis expelled the Palestinians. 

    Now with the Gaza war, there is pressure for Egypt to accept the Gazans by opening up the border.  Egypt is reluctant to, even though between 1948 to 1967 they controlled Gaza.

    That is because once the Gazans leave for Egypt, Israel will never allow them back.

    The Israelis in my view are playing a very clever game. They allowed for Oct 7th to happen, so they can create the circumstances to push the Gazan population to the southern part.

    My observations is that they will probably reduce the Palestinian population drastically not through genocide but by pushing them into Egypt. Northern Gaza will probably be some militarized buffer zone and Hamas will largely be eradicated. What remains of Gaza will be a rump strip even tinier than before.

    Once they have dealt with Gaza, they will try to normalise relations with Saudi Arabia. 

    Then they will either go for Iran, which if there is ever a regime change there could mean dried up support for Hezbollah which means Israel will shore up their Northern borders. 

     

    Yes exactly, no Arab country actually wants Palestinians living amongst them for the reasons you gave. Israel even withdrew from Gaza completely in 2006 but Hamas still continued to launch rocket attacks. 

    There is no outrage amongst muslims about the atrocities in Yemen and Syria. 

  8. 11 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

    @Ranjeet01 You will get more more converts to islam now. Might even start seeing high profile ppl converting to islam like they do with sports stars. So many converted after 9/11 middle east wars..its something they do right.

    Yes i can't believe im actually typing i'd be ok living with muslim dominate after last few yrs of full frontal Sikhs have been thru with far-right/ india our own gangu brahmins... who would have thought 4 years ago lol

    Well Sikhs are powerless we are at the backseat of all global affairs.... q' is what will be the shape of Sikhs in West with heavily dominated crusade wars happening?! 

     

    Sounds like you want to convert. 

  9. Jews are not weak, they humiliated the Arabs in the 6 day war and that was before they received lots of help from the USA. They have been taking more and more Palestinian land over the years. They have good armed forces and their orthodox community ensures their birth rate remains high. It is the impotent Arabs that are weak. 

    Street thugs are no match for governments. Do you think the likes of Britain and France which ruled much of the world will just let muslims take over? I don't think so. They have either planned this mess or will have plans to deal with the muslims in the future. Remember muslims and other ethnic minorities are very few in numbers in the armed forces and police. White Europeans will never become muslims en masse, Western Europe is mostly a post religious society that lives a drink and pork. 

    The muslims will cause civil war in Europe. 

    Hindutvass are weirdos that simultaneously like Hitler and Jews. 

  10. 2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    Many people side with Jews not because of any love of the Jews or because of all the Muslim countries but primarily because they have been attacked by Muslims or have some historical animosity with Muslims.

    If it is really boiled down to the it's essential ingredients: it is muslim vs non muslim.

    The thing that worries us kafirs is that if Israel and Jews are done with, the Muslims will get emboldened and start on the rest of us.

    The Jews are a buffer against the Islamic onslaught. 

    This is what could possibly happen:

    The whites of Europe at this current moment in time have no stomach for a fight, however  if push come to shove, they will start to get organised and fight back. It is the government and the institutions like the media that allow Muslims to get away with all the actions. 

    The European people and society is built on some degree of trust with their institutions but this is getting eroded. 

    People talk about demographics but this is dependant on the democratic system. However, if the media and institutions were completely discarded by the host community and they take things into their own hands, no amount of muslim breeding is going to save the Muslims.

    They live in enclaves which can easily be enclosed and held under seige. For every terrorist attack, I would expect muslim enclaves to be completely extinguished.

    I expect eventually there will be a ban on Islam in society or at least a severe curtailment. The goal would be reduce the demographics considerably. 

    New rules will be enforced on Muslims. 

    Something of this effect:

    Leave Islam or leave for a muslim country.

    No muslim will be allowed to have more than 2 children. Any extra children, the child will be given to a non muslim family. 

    Muslim men cannot have non muslim women to convert. Every Muslim female should marry non muslim man and no longer be muslim.

    Any threats by the muslim community means that those muslim men cannot breed and should be castrated, then further efforts should be taken to take more of their muslim women.

    Every sh1t stirring mullah will be taken away.

    Any bit of taqqiyah will be dealt with.

    These are a hotchpotch of stuff but these kind of things may eventually be implemented. 

    Legally, Islam will be redefined as a banned political ideology rather than a religion.

    Once you take a Muslims ability to breed and to spread their ideology, they lose all their power.

     

     

     

    Post World War 1 Muslim nations have been very weak fighting non muslims. They've been beaten in wars against the UK, USA, India, Israel. There is no Muslim superpower. 

    I do agree that one day Westerners will run out of patience with them but we will also feel the brunt of their wrath. 

  11. There are so many wars and conflicts throughout the world, this one is always highlighted too much for some reason. 

    No one really talks about how these Arabs are slaughtering each other in Yemen. Arab on Arab violence is fine but the muslims get hysterical when the Israelis do the same. 

    Arabs are violent people and have a habit of killing each other, Syria and Libya are examples. 

     

  12. 5 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    When survival is at stake, all the virtue signalling goes out of the window.

    At that moment of time, living by higher values gets you slaughtered. For dharma to prevail adharmic things have to be done.

    Do what needs to be done, ensure your survival and then you can self reflect in all the bad things you had to do, and feel shame. 

    If you want to ensure that you want to live by higher values, you need to put the mechanisms in place like not having adharmi people and ideologies to take precedence in your society.

     

    Well said, Banda Singh Bahadur went overboard in Sirhind but it had to be done and he reflected on it afterwards and agreed he went to far. I'm sure it was the same with Hari Singh Nalwa. To deal with aggressive people you have to be aggressive back, the Gandhi turn the other cheek mentality will just get you slaughtered. 

  13. 20 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    Just a pointer for everyone here.

    The majority of the Jewish population is Mizrahi.

    That is they come from the middle east countries rather than Europe which is the Ashkenazi. 

    They make up the bulk of the ultra right wing and have the middle east/arab mindset so they understand the muslim mentality. 

    Yes the Mizrahi are the majority but Israel is run by the white European Ashkenazi, they've never had a Mizrahi Prime Minister, in fact all of their high achievers have been of Ashkenazi origin. The Mizrahi were thrown out of North African and Middle Eastern countries by the Arabs so yes they are very against them. 

  14. 23 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

     

    A skilled statesman would have been able to make a case for more of Punjab going to India based on factors aside from population.

    Anyone who follows principles of Sikhi would understand that committing violent acts against innocent, defenseless people is shameful. What is the purpose of slaughtering Muslims who are ON A TRAIN HEADED TOWARDS PAKISTAN? They were already leaving.

    Maybe the people who committed such acts saw members of their family killed by muslims or heard of them. It is human nature. You have to remember the muslims also did the same to us. There were also more of them in East Punjab compared to the number of Sikhs in West Punjab so it was a case of a larger group. Of people being in the wrong place in the wrong time. 

    Most of the businesses and economy in Lahore was run by Hindus but that was not enough as it was about 65% Muslim. As you mentioned before on this thread Sikhs have little influence anywhere. Our population is miniscule in South Asia and the world, we're also not clever like the Jews. We should be thankful that we have a state that has a Sikh majority so at least we get to have a Chief Minister. 

  15. 1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

     

    The alternative would not have been to stay in Pakistan. The alternative would have been to have skillful, thoughtful, capable leaders who cold have preserved a larger chunk of Punjab to stay in India. The Sikhs did not have statesmen of the same caliber as Jinnah and Nehru.

    I already recognized that the Muslims in East Punjab had to be driven out somehow. There was no need to massacre Muslims who were ALREADY trying to leave, there was no need to kill children, and there was no need to rape women. It is extremely shameful that Sikhs committed such crimes.

    As I said, demographics matter, in fact we got the Gurdaspur district which was Muslim majority. I don't think Pakistanis got any Sikh/Hindu majority area. Just because we ruled a lot of greater Punjab for 50 years doesn't mean the whole of it belongs to us. Using that logic the muslims could say they should still be ruling over most of India. 

    Punjab does not equal Sikhi. 

    Regarding the violence, the muslims were doing the same to us, it was <banned word filter activated> for tat and it was the muslims who started it in Rawalpindi and they also got up to similar shenanigans on the other side of India in Calcutta. 

  16. 12 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

    "Successful"?

    I don't think that is the right word to describe a sad episode in which:

    - A large proportion Sikhs were displaced

    - Sikhs went from a wealthy substantial minority who were major players in a massive province to a less wealthy barely-majority in a tiny, truncated state

    - The Sikh community ended up completely separated from many important historical sites and Gurdwaras

     

    I also don't think "outsavaging" Muslims is something to be celebrated. Forcing people to leave when your people on the other side the border have been forced to leave is one thing. It can be justified in some sense as an exchange of population/property that was forced on us and was the only viable option. Coldly murdering people who were ALREADY leaving to Pakistan, killing children, raping women, etc. That is extremely shameful, plain and simple.

    What was the alternative? Live side by side with muslims who are the majority in the state? The chief minister of Punjab would always be a Muslim and so would the head of police. Do you want to hear the Muslim call to prayer 5 times a day? Do you want their men perving on your female relatives?

    It's one thing living next to Muslims in the British Raj era where everyone was against the British rule. After the era of kings and emperors demographics count and the muslims heavily outnumbered us in Punjab and with their breeding habits the gap would be even more today. Not to mention post 9/11 Pakistanis have gotten even more fundamental with bombs going off left right and centre in their cities, do you want that happening in Amritsar and Ludhiana? 

    The Hindus still regret letting the muslims stay behind in large numbers and their numbers are forever growing. We at least nipped the problem in the bud.

    The muslims started the violence with the Rawalpindi massacre on us and we just did the same back to them with extra. Compare that with the Bengali Hindus who got massacred in Noakali and never did a similar attack back, that's why their West Bengali state is 27% muslim today and why Hindus in Bangladesh have gone from around 22% in 1970 to a paltry 8% today.

    So I don't condone any of the violence but if you don't retaliate when something bad is done to you or your community you just present yourself as being weak and that is what muslims take advantage of. They are a community that likes to test the waters, they push and push and see if there is any reaction from the other community, if not they show even more bravado. That's what happened when the Rohingyas were preying on Buddhist Burmese women and also when the muslims burnt the train in Gujarat, the Buddhists and Hindus then went berserk on them. 

     

  17. Apne were getting married at stupidly young ages in the past. 

    My great grandmother had my grandfather when she was just 13. 

    There was a time when the life expectancy in India was just 40.

    Thankfully this is no longer that common but I've read in very backwards parts of Punjab it still occurs. 

    No excuses for it in today's age. And even when it did happen in the past it was between two similar aged people, not a 65 year old an a 9 year old. 

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