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Apne were getting married at stupidly young ages in the past. 

My great grandmother had my grandfather when she was just 13. 

There was a time when the life expectancy in India was just 40.

Thankfully this is no longer that common but I've read in very backwards parts of Punjab it still occurs. 

No excuses for it in today's age. And even when it did happen in the past it was between two similar aged people, not a 65 year old an a 9 year old. 

30 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

why not send them to khalsa school? Also are they going to panjabi school on Sundays?

Osterley has a really good school for sikhs called Nishkam school!

I have moved just outside of North Bucks in Northamptonshire. They have even taken over the commercial restaurants all the way up here, 2 halal Taco Bells, halal KFC, and their regular nationwide stuff like Tim Hortons, Popeyes, Pizza Express etc who knows what else! But there's a sikh stronghold nearby in Coventry, so many gurdwaras there, at least 6-8 gurdwaras. there are Only 3 gurdwaras to cover all of Northamptonshire county, and 2 are in the main town!

 

Also Milton Keynes city in North Bucks only seems to have 2 gurdwaras. The Ramgharia gurdwara has regular sangat, but the other gurdwara run by MK sikh society, seems to mainly only have Sunday Sangat, which is a trend in isolated areas, it's the same for Northamptonshire gurdwaras unless there's a special programme, event, gurpurb etc.

The suls have written 'Islam will rule' in large graffiti on a railway bridge right next to Ramgarhia Gurdwara, obviously as an act of provocation and the damn committee have done nothing about it, it's been up there for quite a while. I guess we are a cowardly community now. Lots of infighting but haven't got the bottle to paint over this graffiti. The sign for the same Gurdwara on the main Stoke Poges Lane road has also been deliberately changed to point in the wrong direcrion, no doubt the work of suls again. I remember back in the 90s apne threw a pig's head in a mosque as retaliation for them burning the Nishan Sahib, where has that fighting spirit gone? 

These damn committee members were smashing each others cars a few years ago over elections so they have thugs in their midsts, so why can't these thugs do anything about this graffiti? 

Any suggestions on what could be done? 

On 8/29/2023 at 6:54 PM, dallysingh101 said:

A 27 year old virgin man isn't usually considered a catch in this world. 

Are you ridiculing him? 

Just look for a Sighni, most (not all) will have led pure lives 

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I give myself 20-30 years as a cycle and see what happens. By that time, I will be much older. 

Parts of Bucks such as High Wycombe already has an established Muslim community. So in some cases, Sikhs who move in some of these parts are the newcomers whereas the Muslims are older community.

Muslims who live in these types of towns, moved into council housing and have their own enclaves where the town is still mostly goreh, however Sikhs who move to these kind of towns are typically part of a middle class.

 

Yes quite a few suls in High Wycombe and Oxford, both of which had grooming gang cases. 

Do you know much about Osterley and Isleworth? Are they worth exploring? 

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The issue with Slough is the immigration, one ethnic group pushes out another ethnic group which pushes out another ethnic group.

It creates a knock on effect.

I live in the Bucks area.

 

I think you are safe in Bucks for the time being, but they will try their luck there eventually. Looking back I should have bought in Richings Park but my thoughts about schooling and my family situation at the time meant I bought here. 

11 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Well I guess one way to think about it is with your son being 3. You got a 7 year window for him to go Grammar School with 11 plus. That will give you 10 years in the area.

You could send him to an outside primary school like a lot of Slough Sikhs do. If he gets into Grammar School then he has another 7 years on top of that, it will make it 17 years in the area.

If he does not get into Grammar School, then the schooling gets tricky.

The outside Slough primary schools might be an option, I will see how the demographics develop in this area in the next few years. I wouldn't want to carry on living here if more and more of them move in. 

Where do you live if you don't mind me asking. 

11 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Well I guess one way to think about it is with your son being 3. You got a 7 year window for him to go Grammar School with 11 plus. That will give you 10 years in the area.

You could send him to an outside primary school like a lot of Slough Sikhs do. If he gets into Grammar School then he has another 7 years on top of that, it will make it 17 years in the area.

If he does not get into Grammar School, then the schooling gets tricky.

The outside Slough primary schools might be an option, I will see how the demographics develop in this area in the next few years. I wouldn't want to carry on living here if more and more of them move in. 

Where do you live if you don't mind me asking. 

48 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Have a contingency plan and put a strategy in place with what you have said  in mind.

Maybe look to put your kid into a primary school maybe in an area outside of your local area as an option.

The Slough Sikh Community is moving into South Bucks area. Like we mentioned before, there is a typically a 30 year cycle where a Sikh stronghold starts to change.

The Grammar School system  in Slough has become increasingly competitive and like you mentioned with those South Indian IT types in Langley will begin to hog up those grammar school places.

Yes that's a good idea, I will also see if it's possible to visit some of these schools for open days to check out the demographics. 

Those IT types really force acedemia on their kids to the detriment of their all round development.

I'll also check out some other areas to potentially move to.

It sucks because I just bought this house 3 years ago and put a lot of time, effort and money into doing it up thinking I would live here for at least 20 years if not my whole life. 

I'm very worried about my 3 year old son.

I live in Langley, Slough a nice place generally. In the last 5 years more suls have moved into the area. They are pumping out their usual 3-4 kids and due to that we may not fall into the catchment area for one of the best primary schools in the area. The school have literally told us that higher birth rates is the reason. 10 years ago there was no issue. 

But then I'm thinking I don't want my son going to such a school if that's what the demographics are going to be, I don't want him to experience the sul menace I did.

The school will likely drop in standards as well with more of them. 

Each time I take him to the local park it's mostly full of sullees with their hordes of kids. I have no idea how they afford to live in this area with one person's salary and that many kids. Every house being sold here is usually to them or South Indian IT workers (who I don't mind). I think most apne my age have left or are leaving the area, it's just their parents left. Slough High Street is a dump full of halal eateries. 

There are some very good grammar schools here, that is the only thing that might keep me here and my widowed father lives very close. 

These guys just follow us everywhere and we're always running away from them.

What to do? Sell up? I'm thinking maybe go towards Osterley/Isleworth where we outnumber them. 

Yes saw this on the news today. 

Sadly apne are hardly better these days

The arrogance and overconfidence of these suls is something else. I was in Leicester Square yesterday, they had a stall blasting out their prayers and handing out qurans. 

This is a tourist packed location in Central London, not some sul ghetto. 

They like to test the waters, prod, prod and the inevitably they get a violent reaction. It's the same the world over. 

20 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

@dallysingh101

Read that it was normal Singhs to have more than 1 wive back in the days.?. was it not like this during misl era. to help  population rise...during MRS regin and before partition? 

our low birth-rates are going to be detrimental to panth .. esp in Panjab...

Having multiple wives does not increase birth rate unless there are more women in a population than men, which in Punjab is not the case as it is one of the regions with the highest levels of female foeticide. 

If there are 5 men and 5 women and 1 man marries all 5 of the women it just means the other 4 men will not get married. The birth rate remains the same. 

RIP, I there is no need to post his picture and name here, I please remove it and let the family mourn in peace. 

3 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

They are get that $$ quick to built what they have. They literally save Southall Hounslow etc. Gurudwara are filled with them Samagans etc. I love their unity them helping each other. They kept their identity. 'Jatt Sikhs' knife each other

Im jealous at their wives they lifestyle they have. Don't have to work taken care off lol

I always wandered tho how they were making a living with selling phones covers in those tiny stores lol... 

Gujjis are no better too. Most get $$ however they want at start then move elsewhere. Afghani Sikhs built a strong community 

Yes exactly, how are they making so much money selling phone covers and women's suits. 

I don't think the previous Punjabi owners of their shops were as well off. 

I suspect they are up to some wrongdoings. https://chiswickherald.co.uk/organised-crime-group-with-hounslow-ringleader-dismantled-p17812-95.htm

I find them to be a halfway house between Punjabi Sikhs and Pakistani Muslims. Like Pakistanis they marry cousins and are also quite prominently involved in harassing/grooming girls, I have heard this from someone who works closely with the police. 

6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Goreh are tolerant to a certain percentage, but after that then they start to leave.

I went to Richings Park, Iver to someone's home. These are nice homes (probably now £1 million value) , but with more money our people have the more downhill the area gets.

What starts off as quite a green area quickly becomes over-developed, concreted over. It becomes very slu

You can go to any area and tell pretty quickly which are the apneh's house.

It's quite embarrassing that a chavy gora estate looks in better nick than our areas.

We should actually buy an industrial estate and move into the industrial units. There is no grass, plenty of parking and got enough space for storage. Less need to extend but if you want to you can (let's face it, there is never enough space for our people) and we have enough space to rent it out to as many illegals as you wish. Industrial estates look like slums anyway so there is no fear of the estate deteriorating.

 

Hit the nail on the head again. 

This is how apne are decorating their houses nowadays, ugly AF in my opinion, Southall has many such properties and they're becoming more common in Slough as well. Another problem is that the roads get full of parked cars because there are so many adults living in one house, sometimes 6!

Richings Park is majority apne now, I think it's mostly rich people from Southall. A lot have destroyed character properties into monstrosities like above. But overall it's still a very nice area. 

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

One of the things you hear from our people is that they don't want their children to be living in enclaves and want them to be able to mix with other groups.

This is something that stated by the mothers (they are generally the instigators of this), specifically if they are upwardly social mobile professional types.

However, what seems to happen is the kids in general hang around their own ethnic group in these schools. Over time, our ethnic group grows larger until the other subcontinental groups flock towards us and then one particular group will infest and it starts all over again.

 

1,000,000%

My wife's cousin and even my own neighbour have said they want to move to a more mixed area, i.e. more goreh. I keep telling them that the goreh don't want you there, they don't want to live in a mixed area and I have no problem with that. I've had goreh neighbours twice in my life and I could tell they didn't/don't like having so many South Asians living next to them. 

As you said, as soon as a few Indians move into an area then more flock there leading to white flight and then the Indians wanting to move again. 

And you're also right about friends, I've had one Gujarati friend and everyone else has been Sikh. Birds of a feather. I've had many goreh acquaintances but never someone I could call a friend. 

19 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

What does that mean long term though, that we up and move whenever these f**kers start turning up? We might as well be nomads then. 

It's the circle of life. More of them are getting well off so this will increase, especially as they pump out more children. 

Apne must be strong and hold on to where we live but we are generally a bunch of goreh followers so we want to move to places where they live but over time that just causes white flight in those areas. 

I keep explaining to our people that want to move to these gora areas that goreh don't want to live with us, whether it is the working, middle or upper class. 

23 hours ago, BhForce said:

So, basically, Pakistan/India with no Vitamin D?

Let me ask you something, since you seem to have some knowledge of the situation.

How do the Afghan Sikhs act towards non-Afghan Sikhs?

Me personally, I'd avoid Muslims and their shops if I could. But what about Afghan Sikhs? Even if (some of them) are selling drugs, are they fine to interact with otherwise?

I.e., you just say Fateh and transact your business? Are they friendly enough? (I know they would probably only fully open up with other Afghan Sikhs in the same business, but still.)

Afghan Sikhs are pleasant enough to deal with in their shops and some can be very friendly, but they're extremely business oriented. They will try their utmost to not let you leave their shop empty handed (non grocery stores). They still practice cousin marriages which I find disgusting and their children are not the most educated as they just focus on their parents business. 

I find them a bit odd in the sense they will play kirtan in their shops while selling alcohol and meat and their wives will cake themselves in makeup. 

Still I would much rather go to their shops rather than a sul's. 

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Apneh are now increasingly getting those little dogs you can fit in a bag.

The days of getting a proper solid kuttah like an Alsation is becoming a thing of the past.

I had a friend who used to go to Castleview school (Langley I think) in the 1980s and he was the apnah in his class with the rest being goreh. Of course that is now longer the case.

Wonder what the cycle of apneh living in an area is before it becomes an Islamic area. Is it around 20 or 30 years?

 

 

20-30 years seems about right. This is my 20th year living in the Langley/Upton area and there were a lot of apne already here so you can say we've been here in big numbers for a good 25 years. I've noticed suls coming here in increasing numbers in the past 3 years or so, no one wore kurta pyjamas or Arabic man-skirts here 5 years ago but they're fairly common now. The only Indians moving here now are the Indian IT crowd from South India or Maharashtra, the occasional Sikh family from India who have some money. UK born Sikhs are moving to places like Stoke Poges, Gerrards Cross, Iver. No doubt the suls will follow us there as well. 

My plan was to stay here until my son finished school at 18 but I'm not sure I'll last that long given the demographic change. 

Suls pump out 3-4 kids compared to our 2 kids. So they will be the majority in schools in the future.

I don't understand how they afford the houses in the first place, their women don't work plus they have extra mouths to feed. 

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

But when you see places like Southall....you think what the heck!!

 

Plus, goray don't mind living with Indians when the Indians are genteel, well educated and successful. Plus you know how many have this 'exoticised' thing about pretty ethnic broads too. 

These northern monkey type, knuckle dragging on the ground, wife beater/ flat cap wearing gora haven't evolved much from albino bandhers. 

No goreh don't like it. I live in a nicer middle class part of Slough, there has been massive white flight here and in nearby Iver. Let the goreh have their own areas. Ideally we shouldn't even be living here in the first place but South Asians are unable to produce any first world country. 

It doesn't help that a lot of apne can't let go of their ghetto habits when they move to nicer areas such askeeping rottweilers, blasting bhangra every weekend at some party and letting off fireworks at midnight. 

Now the suls have started moving here and naturally apne are starting to move out, it's the circle of life here! 

And who the hell uses the word broad? This isn't 1930s America. 

Goreh like living with goreh only, they don't want to live with Indians. Indians don't want to live with Pakistanis. 

It's just the way it is. The UK is a very segregated place, especially big towns and cities. 

The best thing is just to live with other apne. 

11 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think it's right that you and that kau8r89 broad should end up married to these types of guys since you two were so vocal in trying to castigate me for condemning the jut culture that creates perpetuates and normalises this behaviour. Hell, be honest, you was probably looking for some vulnerable twat to twist into your husband when you went to the mela. Like it's the first time you noticed this....... My granddad told me that this was how they behave (decades ago and back home),  hence why he prohibited his daughters going to these peasant celebrations.  

I am a married man with a son you fool. 

And yes I wouldn't ever take a girl or woman to one of these melas. It was far more family oriented back in the 90s before the hordes of illegals came here. 

I saw him at a mela on Sunday in Southall, Sikhi is the last thing on the mind of the vast majority of the crowd. Most of whom were drunk and acting like idiots. No danger of any artist being boycotted unless they swore at the Gurus. 

Makhan tried the Amritdhari lifestyle and maybe it wasn't for him. It's better that he drinks etc as a mona rather than a Keshdhari Sikh. 

16 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I have to add, I think apnay being in concentrations with many other apnay doesn't do them any favours. If anything it normalises some of the more brainless stuff apnay do.  

It just gives them an excuse to behave as they do in India. 

I was at a mela yesterday in Southall, the vast majority of the crowd were savages. Mostly illegal single men. They are the worst of our community here. At least the apne who came here from the 60s - 80s came with wives or called them over later. These guys are just drunk perverts who urinate on the street. 

9 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I wonder where we get that from.......hint...bwaaaahhh!!

 

You can expect the older generation to die off, it's not anything unnatural. Plus also, I'm not shocked that most of the people raised abroad don't want to settle back there or avoid even looking after property/land - you know how cut throat it is out there - your own family will do you first.   Plus we aren't the only ones, I was talking Rajasthani doctor recently, she said the same, she had her father's property back home, and has to try and sell it as none of the grown up kids were interested in it.   

I don't know what this is supposed to mean?

 

Do we have anyone to blame for this but ourselves? 

I don't think the UK has gone anywhere near Canadian levels with the drug related apna on apna killings. I didn't think our rep was that bad here? Okay, we might not be known for being the brightest sparks, but I think other communities reps are infinitely more stained than ours along those lines you are alluding too. Not that that means we shouldn't strive to improve still.  

It's mostly kaleh and sul who are in the drug dealing business here. However the Afghan Sikhs are definitely involved, using their shops as fronts but they're not the violent type. 

Southall is mostly a lawless place, people don't follow traffic rules at all and pedestrians are just as bad, just walking into the middle of roads while cars are driving, no one has any patience whatsoever.