Suchi

7 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Lmaoo my modi supporter dad thinks that india is way ahead of china and china is all a fake made up country lying about their progress and that their military strength is all fake and india can defeat China easily. I think this is what happens when you watch indian news.

He is right. The Chinese soldiers killed by the Indian Army hasn't even been admitted to nor did China come to collect their bodies. The Indian soldiers reported how easy it was to break their necks in arm to arm combat.  In the following conflict Chinese used Directed Energy Weapons to have a chance of winning which was considered an act of cowardice. 

China has lied about its progress as many companies have been bankrupted due to debt. 

An alternative view?

On 2/20/2022 at 5:08 PM, proudkaur21 said:

Yup true. I am sick of bhangra at this point. Anytime i see someone promoting bhangra I dislike immediately because they promote this stuff as if its their religion.

It was created to promote the growing and harvesting of bhang. It's in the word so those involved are heavily invested in it promotion,  and destruction of the youth. The agenda has been successful for them. 

3 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Seems to be reaching too far..but if were true would it be shocking..no

I tried to think rationally last few days if it could be a 'unfortunate accident'...but it doesn't add up..his photos, the crash, he was under track gps..

What your thoughts on it being horrific accident..? Whats are the chance..Spoke to some who said they are being open minded not delving too much is 

I know some of these panthic posts/orgs..have too much blind conspiracy on every last thing is blamed rss/hindvustas 

Personally believe the truck driver was tipped off 

Thoughts?

 

This is a standard setup used in the West to take someone out. 

They are all paid actors (including the two so-called witnesses) as part of a play to cover up the truth.  Actors are part of the eco system used to subvert facts, promote a particular agenda. Seen it so many times in both the UK and USA. 

The fact that Deep Sidhu was about to disclose the truth about the Farmers Protest speaks volumes about the motive for his murder.  That would have exposed those at the very centre of the conflict. Perhaps he already did disclose material that put him at risk, hence why the authorities in Punjab took this step. They had all the means to carry out this heinous crime due to their connections with the media, police, hospital staff and who knows who else.

It's a very similar assassinstion to that of Shushant Singh Rajput carried out at the behest of the Maharastra govt, using police, hospitals, many actors and a honey trap. 

19 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Suchi the enlightened one !!! 

Oh  if only you knew! 

16 hours ago, proactive said:

So no credits for looking after parents throughout childhood and adulthood? 

17 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

Brahui is a Dravidian language spoken in Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahui_language

The latest evidence claims otherwise. Better wait until there's a consensus on this, if ever! 

But this looks compelling to me. 

https://indiafacts.org/aryan-invasion-myth-21st-century-science-debunks-19th-century-indology/

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Ssssuuuuuuuu. Chhhiiiiiii.  Read Gurbani.  Taaaakkkeee Amrit.

The answers you Sikh are in Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji and Dasam Graaaaaaaanth. 

 

How many living that can claim that these practices have been proven, and further  their thoughts can't be intercepted? 

Please check out this website on how the Military Industrial complex is using AI tech to control humanity:-

https://everydayconcerned.net/disclosure/

https://www.stopeg.com/news.htm?tid=1644547990

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Suuuu chiiii....the Gurmatar and the protections of the Nitnem Bani are the armor, sword, and sustinance you need ....

Suuuu chhiiiii 

*Coughing fit*

SUUUU CHIII....

 

 

If so, how many on this site have experienced Enlightenment? Or even have a clue of what I'm talking about? 

3 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

The research of G S Sidhu that I posted in this thread mentions the similarities between punjabi and Dravidian languages. Some sounds in rig veda are not present in Sanskrit but are present in Punjabi and Dravidian languages. 

Panjab university declared some time back that Punjabi is a descendant of proto Dravidian language.

Below research also says that indus valley civilization which includes harrappa civilization spoke proto Dravidian language. Even the language of Mesopotamia civilization was influenced by proto Dravidian language.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/science/story/indus-valley-people-spoke-ancient-dravidian-language-claims-new-research-1842718-2021-08-19

The Dravidian language and culture has been debunked. 

https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/article30217467.ece

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Do your type of Hindus not believe in Amrit Vela ? I thought it was a shared Dharmic feature 

Hindus do not follow Amritvela as far as I'm aware. They may rise at dawn for Surya Namaskar. And do Aarti during evening prayers. 

Amritvela is essentially Sikh far as I can make out. I was trying to find correlation with Sufi/Islamic practices but could not. 

I've just come across this website that describes GGSji's call for Amritvela. Is this a true account? 

https://www.sikhfamilylife.com/2018/06/the-low-down-on-amrit-vela/

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't even dispute a lot of what you've said here. Mainly (imho) it's down to certain 'cultural' traits pervading the panth over Sikh matt.

The difference between us is that I don't think this situation is necessarily permanent.  

Whereas over time, we, the panth have a good chance of realigning our moorings to our roots, look where India's going - straight into some western adharmic mimicking, with no sense of confidence or self in their own identity.    They've completely lost their identity. 

The Sikh Quom has had 500 years to build a civilisation worth mimicking. They have failed due to numerous reasons. 

If they want a chance to realign then they have to shed much of the falsehood being parroted daily. They have to demonstrate they are capable of administration. As far as I can see, only if seasoned administrators join the Panth they have a chance to do this.  Any administration has to be capable of including those outside the panth.  Instead, these outsiders have  been successful in recruiting the Quom to their cause.  

For example from my research the 5 kakkars are a British invention which the Quom has thus far refused to acknowledge.  Maybe it was done on purpose as a Divide and Rule tactic. 

11 hours ago, proactive said:

For someone who claims his people are more intelligent that us yet you cannot even read a simple chart. Migrants are classed as intra-state and inter state migrantion, so if a Bhaiya comes to Punjab then is an inter state migrant, if a Sikh moves from his village to the town WITHIN  Punjab then he is an intra-state migrant.

The 13.7 million figure takes intra-state migration into account. I just took the intra state figure which would include all Bhiayas coming to Punjab. 

 

Do we? The 52% Sikh and 48% Hindu figure was used by the media from the late 70s until 1985 when the 1981 census figures proved these to have been false in order to paint the Dharm Yudh morcha as an attempt by a bare majority Sikh population to try and maintain their control of Punjab. The same tactic was used by the media during the farm laws andolan by painting it as mainly a Sikh agitation. In 1985 the census showed that Sikhs were 60.75% of the population of Punjab. The fact that you still use the pre-census media's false figures shows that you have not even taken the time to verify what you have been spoon fed. You are a mindless drone. 

You can see how Bhaiya population after 1971 started to affect the demographics of Punjab with the increase in the Muslim population while the Christian population actually decreased because there were no Christian bhaiyas migrating to Punjab to increase their population. Even with the increase in Bhaiya Hindus, the Sikhs still increased their percentage between 1971-1981  because the Sikh birth rate was higher than the Hindu. 

The Hindu Khatris are not a warrior caste, the Hindu Khatris might ACT as warriors in Bollywood films but they never had a warrior status. The only warrior Khatris after 1708 were the Sikh Misldars, Hari Singh Nalwa and Dewa Mohkam Chand during the time of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Otherwise the Hindu Khatris were traders or administrators such as Dewan Sawan Mal and Dewan Mulraj of Multan. 

Jats were never landless labourers. They had their own villages and lands, their own religion which was not Hinduism and they took advantage of the chaos of the 18th century to carve out their own kingdoms. While your people were the like sheep to the Muslim sword, the Jats fought the Muslims and won. They came to Sikhi because the other alternatives of Islam and Hinduism did not suit their mindset. They would not play second fiddle to the Pathans and Mughals in Islam and they hated the effeminate Brahmins and the caste system of Hinduism. If Bhangra and Bhang is the way you characterise Jats, then I would characterise you as only good for drinking cow urine and throwing cow sh.t around.

 

You have manipulated historical truths to justify your propaganda!

Jats have been in India for at least 2000 years. How is it they only got economic power 1800 hundred years later? If they were not Hindus as you claim then they must have been outcastes. Then how are they claiming Jat as a caste? Surely they must be a tribe, not a caste? 

Following their recruitment by the Khalsa they started to gain recognition due to their fighting ability.  And rightly so.  The British continued in this policy as they like to favour the underdog who then becomes totally loyal to their cause. They also took steps to undermine the Khatris and Brahmins. They do this by interbreeding and then infiltration.  Why do you think the first Kapoor actor had Red hair?? Most of the Kapoor family have nothing to do with the Khatri varna and are imposters. Ex Christian or Muslim such as the Gandhi Parivar. 

However, they along with the rest of the Khalsa were  entirely destroyed and driven into the jungles where they were hounded out and killed. New Hindu recruits were required to join due to the failure of their mission following the total destruction of Banda Bahadur, also a retired Khatri Warrior who became a Sadhu. So the concept of Saint Soldier existed before the Khalsa was formed. There is nothing new in this. Brahmins also took part and gave their lives for the struggle. 

Furthermore, though most of the Gurus were not Khatris, by taking up arms, adopting the Rajput name Singh (much to the chagrin of the Rajputs) they became Khatri Warriors. This is how Varna works. It isn't Fixed. It is dependant on skills, knowledge and action. This is the accepted spiritual knowledge in action.

The Jats I'm sorry to say, have been destroyed by the British who lured them with promises of milk and honey only to slowly destroy them, in their tried and tested 'use and thrown' policy that we have seen repeatedly throughout their bloody history.

By the way there are registered US patents that prove cow products to be anti cancer anti viral anti bacterial anti radiation and even anti Covid. Please do some research in case you need them in future! 

8 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

@Suchi Thank you for responding in the other thread bro. Your perspective means a lot actually. And I think you're right that the british were very much enemies of Dharam. Which is why they left you hinduism. 

It's clear, having done my best to discover what this hinduism is, now some years, that it's living proof not to let yourself get ism'ed. 

Clearly the way countless priceless Dharams, have ceased to exist under hinduism, Sikhi would also, which is why we will never adhere to the narrative that we were ever simply hindu. Coupled with the fact Gurbani is so clear on the issue. 

Which leads me to the real point of the thread. 

Who are the actual Dharams, and who is actually adhering to them. Let's increase awareness of Dharmis being Dharmi, and what specific Dharam. 

Let's give props to them here. 

Let's find Dharmis also resisting being subsumed by hinduism and highlight them here. 

Let's talk real Buddhis, real Sadhus, real chela of Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu, real Bhagats, real Yogis, real Jains etc. 

Who's keeping it real and Nirmal?

Who can we point to and say, see that positive existence is fruit of their Dharam?

Dharam is going to have to be preserved and reissued by somebody. Who's the ones in their respective fields doing this?

Should we be identifying other prusists and communicating with them as our root is in Dharam and we are facing similar struggles for survival?

But looking at the hindu narrative, and behavior both, I don't see any Dharmic fruit going on. Ehat I do see is a lot of hate speech against Sikhs and a government gone mad with nowhere near the power it thinks it has. 

So who gonna save india, or is representing india well, other than Sikhs? Where are the Dharmis?

These are the Dharmic faiths: Sanathan, Sikh, Jain, Buddha. 

Who is following and whether the teachings are worthwhile can be determined thus:

1. Crime rates

2. Development rates, economic 

3. Ability to coexist with other faiths

4. Education levels, innovation

5. Commitment to peace

6. Perception of group by outsiders of the faith

7. Stability of the population, family

8. Historical artifacts, building and contribution to Humanity

9. Harmlessness to the environment and other living beings. 

10. Adherence to Universal Law. Do No Harm. 

In the above, from what stats are available it is clear that the Dharmic faiths are far superior to others. Both Hindus and Sikhs stand head and shoulders above others hence the attempts to destroy them, by those of other faiths that are in power. 

In the end we are each responsible for our individual spiritual development. We have a responsibility to each other by the ways we deal with those that cross our paths. 

It is this freedom we need to protect that is being undermined daily. 

As far as particular Panths/Gurus are concerned, from my research most of the religious institutions are infiltrated and the current/past Gurus compromised. Most of our Granths/Books have been tampered with. So we have to find our own way using what we have to find the real Truth.

I found it mainly through following the path of Action, along with some mantras and basic teachings I'd grown up with and others I'd made my own. 

5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Love you the same bro. 

Same to you. 

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

What's Dharmi about that? This is what I'm talking about. Hindustan never misses an opportunity to prove how unworthy to exist it is. It's going to take hinduism and a lot of people down with it. 

Surely it's in line with 'forgive your enemy' thought. Maybe these people chose Not to fight fire with fire in an attempt to put a line under this crime? 

We are not always able to understand why people make a particular decision. Esp in a case involving the gangrape of a family members. Would you want strangers knocking on your door at such a time? 

If Nihangs are really concerned about the welfare of their neighbours they could take a stance against the many genocidal crimes currently being committed. Such as in West Bengal where over 1 lac Hindus were hounded out of their homes? 

Or closer to home the 3 lac Kashmiri Hindus forced to become refugees in their own country. 

No tears for them? 

15 hours ago, proactive said:

And  I submit as evidence -;

Not a Single Fact offered by you to refute my theories! Hardly academic.

14 hours ago, proactive said:

Again complete BS.

During the mutiny the British recruited former Khalsa army troops to their ranks and when they wanted to expand the Sikh numbers after 1857 they relied on these as well as their sons to join the newly reorganised army. There would be very few cases of 'Hindu' Jats being former Khalsa army veterans because very few Hindus were in the army apart for non-Punjabi Gurkhas and Poorbiyas.

The army factor only came into play in the first world war when the British undertook intense recruitment in the years 1917-18. By then most of the Jathera/Sultani Jats had already become Sikhs. The only districts where Jathera/Sultanis were still around in large numbers was in Hoshiarpur where the British did not even recruit heavily and these Jats became Sikhs during the Akali movement. During WW1 The British favoured Jat and Mazhabi Sikh recruits because they had proven themselves in battle. The only Khatris and Brahmins they would recruit would be a few hundred mainly for administration work due to their higher rate of literacy. There is no doubt that small numbers of Jathera/Sultani Jats did join the army and become Sikhs but not in the numbers that justify your 'eldest son' BS. 

In my village the only known case of an actual Hindu becoming a Sikh after joining the army was of a Brahmin who became a Sikh during WW2 but upon being demobilised he cut his hair again and became a Hindu. His family were the only Hindus in the village and they maintained a family Mandir in the village. His son was a police officer and was killed by the Kharkoos in the late 80s.His other son migrated to Ludhiana. There are other Brahmin families in the villages but they had taken to farming at some stage and although still Brahmins they had become Sikhs probably around the 1930s and they are virtually indistinguishable from the Jats in the village. 

Again, you are making up data to justify your opinion. 

Do you know how many soldiers were in the British Indian army? How many Sikhs and how many Hindus, Muslims? 

Answer this first if you can.

On 2/5/2022 at 4:59 AM, proactive said:

The Punjabi Hindu has been in decline since the 1880s. Although they like to claim that they are rooted to Punjab, they are mostly landless. The higher caste Hindus are urban dwellers while the lower castes own very little land. Each decadal census from 1881 to 1941 commented on the decline of the Punjabi Hindu. The decline was actually greater because the Punjabi Hindu population was artificially boosted by the Hindus of Haryana and Himachal which were a part of Punjab during British times. If we look at the core Punjab areas - all of west Punjab and the present east Punjab historically, the Hindu population was declining on a large scale.

The only reason that Hindu population in Punjab has increased  in the last two decades is due to the migration of Bhaiyas from Bihar and UP. So from a declining population the Hindus in Punjab have had their population artificially boosted by migration into Punjab.

Punjab has nearly 2.5 million migrants which is 9% of the total population.  If we take that 100,000 of these could be Sikhs who migrated to Punjab from the rest of India after the genocide of 1984. After 1984 there was also an outmigration from Punjab of Punjabi Hindus who settled in Delhi and Haryana but the numbers were small possibly 20,000 at most and many came back to Punjab in the 1990s. 

If we take off another 200,000 who are Muslim Bhaiyas so that leaves 2.2 million Hindu Bhaiyas who have migrated to Punjab and who are included in the census figures for 2011. 

In 1971 when there were very few Bhaiyas in Punjab the population of Sikhs in Punjab was 60.22% and the Punjabi Hindus were 37.54% after 40 years of migration of Bhaiyas into Punjab in 2011 the Sikh population was 57.69% and the Hindu population was 38.49%.  The population of Punjab was 27.7 million in 2011. 

In absolute numbers Punjab's Hindu population in 2011 was 10.7 million and the Sikh population was 16 million. 

If we deduct these Hindu migrants from the total population of Punjab 27.7 - 2.2  millions bring Punjab's population to 25.5 million. 

Deducting the Hindu Bhaiya population from Punjab's Hindu population 10.7 - 2.2 million bring the Hindu population of Punjab to 8.5 million. 

So without the migration of Hindu Bhaiyas the Punjabi Hindu population was 33.3% and Punjab's Sikh population would have been 62.7% a slight increase from 60.22% 

If we take into account the larger number of Sikh migrants leaving Punjab for abroad compared to the number of Hindus leaving this would make the Sikh population percentage even greater. 

 

 

Your figures make No Sense. The graph shows total migrants into Punjab as 1.37cr which is 13.7 million. The rest of your data has no basis in fact ie. You've just made it up! 

We know that prior to 1984, Sikhs were 52% and Hindus were 48%.  The fight is Not between Hindus-Sikhs, it was for water and land resources. Fights are always about land and resources as oppressors wish to control both to control the population. As you're aware as you've mentioned that Hindu Punjabis own very little land.

Why that is could be the subject of an entirely different thread. But basically Hindu Khatris are a Warrior caste, hence are allowed weapons but Not Businesses or Land.  Called division of labour and power.  Hindu Brahmins are the Spiritual leaders hence not allowed to accumulate wealth or arms. Only the business class (3rd caste) are allowed to do business/accumulate wealth but cannot have arms or vedic knowledge. 

Because this has changed due to historical reasons there is Hell on Earth.  Jats (previously landless labourers) have money, land, arms and political power and claiming top caste!!! But they have Zero Spiritual Power due to Lack of Morals. Only good for Bhangra and Bhang. 

Sure they are great fighters. No doubt. 

Both Muslims and the British played their part in this. Called subversion. 

3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

India should be leading the world spiritually and especially Dharmically and it is quite obviously..not..

Which is why you should ask for Khalsa Raj. Y'all aren't qualified or prepared to run anything apparently. 

It's sad bro. India should be a world power, and showing us what the fruits of Dharam look like. 

Instead it's playing tryhard tyrant and just failing. 

I'm rooting for you guys really. 

You are heavily influenced by the anti-India/anti-Hindu propaganda current at play, esp in the West. 

I suggest you read other sources of material to get a balanced perspective. 

This battle is a battle for the soul of humanity.  A battle we were told was already lost. 

I believe India Is bringing it back from the brink. May that continue. 

To fight an evil on the scale being fought is not a matter for armchair revolutionists. 

I'm more than aware of what this entails as I've personally been and am in the firing line. Along with my family members. 

So it is Not a Simple matter of fighting Adharam with Dharam. Not always possible if the demonic entities are more powerful. So all means need to be explored if we are to have a chance of winning. 

That is the Art of War. 

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

You do gather that some of us Sikhs actually believe this tisar panth supersedes all the other dharmic panths before it, don't you? 

Perhaps so. But the Quom has lost the battle of perception and persuasion. It cannot lead others to the light as it has removed those capable enough. It is in a flux. There is no vision of what it wishes for the future of humanity. 

Fighting for land and power due to anger and greed is where it's at, at present.  It has involved India in terror by forging alliances with all and sundry for control, and lost. 

8 hours ago, proactive said:

Every Hindu FU.DHU is an expert on Sikhi. 

That's because they are generally better educated as they follow their faith that tells them to become twice born. Hence why Hindus dominate in all fields that require education rather than physical strength. 

And don't forget the Sikh Gurus were all Hindu Khatris so their numbers would automatically reduce as many chose to join the new Panth. 

Many others were forced to boost the numbers to replace the Faujis lost in battle. So there is no Sikh without the Hindu. 

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

From Guru Nanak Dev Ji it's called Nirmal Paanth to Guru Gobind Sungh Ji Maharaja when it is called, in same fashion, Khalsa Paanth. The entirety of Gurbani, Vaaran, and Ithias indicate the seperate intended and actual nature of Sikhi. To be both seperate and above all other Dharams by the way in the command chain. 

Glad I have you here bro. Can you explain more about how all the Dharams have been squished into Hinduism? And to what degree any of the original Dharams are functioning?

And beyond tending their own Dharams, to be ready to follow our lead in Dharam Yudh, are they applying the teachings contained in the current living form of Sat Guru, Shabad Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Left for us by the incarnations of Vaheguru Akal Purakh themself, the Nehkalank above all things doing his work as only he can in this Kalyug, the previous Devte having failed now three Yughs?

Are the Dharmis fit? Are they resonnating with the Devte and seeing to surpass their previous limitations?

Are Hanuman's forces ready to join in action behind the Khalsa?

Or is hinduism a nationalized political mechanism that both erases all Dharams contained therein, as well as forms the poplace into a violent nationalized mob gone mad reminiscent of the Nazi party?

Like what is hinduism and what Dharam is being demonstrated? 

 

Dharam is demonstrated by one's morals, actions, perceptions and levels of success. If a teaching is not successful then it can be deemed to be either imperfect initself or being imperfectly followed or taught. 

So it is up to us how/what we follow. And if it is incorrect then we are free to change it according to our conscience. 

Hence making it a living philosophy and the reason there are many different thoughts and teaching within Sanathan Dharma. 

At present we are under an attempt to make a One World Religion seemingly based on Islamic teachings. These teachings are dictatorial and probably most suitable for the AI Slavery System being forced on us. 

That is the threat and challenge we are all (non Muslims and even some Muslims) facing and one we must prepare to counter if we are to continue to enjoy Freedoms given to us by our creator. Such as Freedom of Thought and Conscience along with many other freedoms mentioned in our shastras.