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23 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Just encourages laziness in my opinion. If you have able bodied people in your family, why avoid what are essentially everyday human chores. 

i kinda agree its just laziness and also some kind of exploitation at play since most of these people cannot find work so they agree to work for very little money and then people exploit these people as they are just so many people willing to do any work just to fill their stomach in that country so the people know thy can be easily replaced. Its the duty of an individual to pay them good but seeing the morals and greed of people back home we all know that is not going to happen. But some old members of my family cannot cook and clean back home so they keep these helpers and pay them good and also give them many essential items all the time. Thats why minimum wage and the concept of unions is so important as people can band together to demand more benefits.

53 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

What are the Sangat's thoughts on having servant/maid/paid help in their household?

A bit random, but many of you who have visited India and other countries will be aware that it's quite common for those who are well off to have servant who does many household chores/work like cooking, cleaning etc.

Some families have a chauffeur also

These jobs can be well paid compared to what they might make doing something else, but would be nothing compared to wages in many Western countries. 

I personally if I could afford, would have a chef. But only if I really trusted them (an Amritdhari Singh or Kaur maybe). Overall however, I don't like the idea, because you can never really really trust others. Risk of poisoning etc

In Panjab, one of my relatives had cash and jewellery stolen by their naukar who ran off to Nepal (was caught)

 

Thoughts ?

Our family back home also keeps people for cooking and cleaning but they pay them well, give them clothes and food all the time and even their kid sometime study in the free schools near gurudwaras atleast that was the case for our workers. I mean most of them are uneducated so i dont know what else can they do? They are nepalis as well. I dont see anything wrong with it as long as the people are paid well and it can ensure a normal upbringing for their kids? But i have heard of cases where people mistreat them, keep young kids and do bad things to their workers which i believe cannot happen in the west since there are strict laws in place but back home if you are poor and die no one cares. The problem with india is too much inequality. If you are poor your life is worth nothing. There is just too many people so the value of each life just diminishes.

4 minutes ago, proactive said:

Why are we not able to bring a government to power which will look after our interests just as the BJP govt looks after the interest of Hindus? Up until the 1990s, every Akali Govt apart from Badall's  rule was from  1970-71 and 1977-80 were pro-Sikh governments. Barnala's rule in 1985-87 was seen as Sikh rule by the Punjabi Hindus because he released so many Sikh prisoners. Punjabi Hindus distributed sweets when he was bought down by Rajeev Gandhi in 1987. It is because we have no unity, we now expect every Punjab govt to be anti-Sikh whether it is Akali or Congress. Again the lack of strategy by Panthic Sikhs who allowed Badal to take control. Badal had to have a manifesto that promised that police would be punished for the fake encounters, Dharmi fauji would be rehabilitated in order to get power in 1997 but he reneged on it straight away. Why did the Panthic Sikhs trust him first of all and then why did they not bring him down and allow him to rule again from 2007-2017? 

Why have we allowed the Punjabi Hindu to dream of ruling Punjab when they are only 38% and yet we never think of power even though we are 58%? 

Because of liberalism we have gone for a small minority punching above it's weight like we did in pre-1947 Punjab to a majority lacking confidence to even aspire to have a pro-Sikh govt in Punjab. This is something we need to think about. 

 

True that. i also dont trust these punjabi hindus at all no matter what. They act like punjab is their theka but we know who fought the most against muslims in 1947. Honestly we are short sighted and put others on pedestal which is why are in this state. Instead of only caring about sikhs they want to take the theka of the entire world. Doesnt matter if sikhs are dying. We did all the work during 1947 and died for india's independence and look all these people after using us they backstabbed us.

2 hours ago, proactive said:

These Christian missionaries were indirectly welcomed to Punjab because our fo.ols wanted to show how great we are by helping Christians against the Hindutvis. When that missionary gora Staines was murdered by the Hindutvis, the first thing our people did was stick their noses into the issue. We needed to keep out and defend our own people in Punjab but our lot were so stup.id that they tried to insinuate that the Hindutvis were trying to defame Sikhs because the murderer had the surname SINGH!  The missionaries even went to Akal Takht to seek 'protection' This is the level of stupidity that our lot displayed which allowed the Christian missionaries to understand just how gullible our leadership is and they shifted their focus to target our people. It is a self inflicted wound and you cannot blame the Hindtuvis when our own people were the ones that allowed them to target Punjab. When the issue was still minor and manageable in 2009 we had people like Ravi Singh asking for daswand to save poor Sikhs from the crutches of these missionaries and what did he do with the money he got? He spent on 'humanitarian' aid!

We need to look at our own shortcomings rather than just push all the blame to the Hindutvis. What power do the Hindutvis have to create a anti-conversion act in Punjab? Do you think a Congress, Akali or even AAP govt will bring this law in? No because they have all sold out and they care more for the few lakh Christian votes than the danger that these missionaries pose to Punjab. 

Because of the liberalism that we have allowed to infect our people, we have become so weak that any jannah khannah riots in Punjab and destroys public property. Look at the rapist sadh and his followers. Even the Christians rioted in Punjab when there was a rumour that someone had made a mocking poster of Jesus. They rioted in areas where they are only 5-10% Christians and they wanted to show their strength and that in a Sikh majority state they could riot with impunity. Who were the ones who confronted them and forced them to run for their lives, it was the Hindutvis. 

jesus caricature outrages christians in punjab - ucanews.com

The Christian protesters looted shops and destroyed some motorcycles. Police and local people beat up this group. Then, a Hindu mob attacked two churches and burned another, all belonging to Protestant Churches. The police arrested many Christian youths. Father Kavumpuram said as soon as the Hindu radicals retaliated, leaders of the Christians protesting fled the scene

We need to introspect on why it is that given that there is enough evidence in Punjab as there is the BJP ruled states of the inducement that missionaries are giving for converting the lower castes yet only in the BJP ruled states has an anti-conversion law been enacted. Why is it that we elect politicians that care more for 2 lakh Christian votes which cannot even tilt more than 1-2 seats in Punjab and yet they care less for the 10 million Sikh voters? 

There is no doubt that Hindutvis have attempted to infiltrate our institutions. But we need to wise up because we have elected politicians like the Badals who have opened the door to their infiltration. Why have the Panthic Sikhs failed so miserably to take the SGPC or other Sikh insitutions like the Akali Dal away from the Badals. You might think this is because the BJP is in power at the centre, but over 17 years of the Badal's tie up with the BJP there was Congress govts at the centre. Let us own up to our own failings as well. 

There is one more thing to note, hindutvis have the backing of the state. They can literally kill people from other religions and no one will put them in jail. They act like lions only because they have the backing of the state with no fear of repercussions. You think sikhs can easily do what these hindutvis do?

16 hours ago, 5aaban said:

https://newsmobile.in/articles/2019/08/18/the-real-idea-of-india-how-a-sikh-group-escorted-kashmiri-girls-to-their-families/

While our community safely returned Kashmiri Muslim girls to their families when they were being attacked all around India, they returned the favour by grooming underage Kashmiri Sikh girls. This should be more than enough to open the Sikh community's eyes but some people in the Panth just don't understand.  

we also need to find out why our women are so gullible? Parents are weak and dont tell their daughters to set boundaries? i have been always close with my mom and always tell her about everything. Could it  be these kids are not close to their parents and cannot discuss things freely with them and are scared of repercussions.

2 hours ago, proactive said:

These Christian missionaries were indirectly welcomed to Punjab because our fo.ols wanted to show how great we are by helping Christians against the Hindutvis. When that missionary gora Staines was murdered by the Hindutvis, the first thing our people did was stick their noses into the issue. We needed to keep out and defend our own people in Punjab but our lot were so stup.id that they tried to insinuate that the Hindutvis were trying to defame Sikhs because the murderer had the surname SINGH!  The missionaries even went to Akal Takht to seek 'protection' This is the level of stupidity that our lot displayed which allowed the Christian missionaries to understand just how gullible our leadership is and they shifted their focus to target our people. It is a self inflicted wound and you cannot blame the Hindtuvis when our own people were the ones that allowed them to target Punjab. When the issue was still minor and manageable in 2009 we had people like Ravi Singh asking for daswand to save poor Sikhs from the crutches of these missionaries and what did he do with the money he got? He spent on 'humanitarian' aid!

We need to look at our own shortcomings rather than just push all the blame to the Hindutvis. What power do the Hindutvis have to create a anti-conversion act in Punjab? Do you think a Congress, Akali or even AAP govt will bring this law in? No because they have all sold out and they care more for the few lakh Christian votes than the danger that these missionaries pose to Punjab. 

Because of the liberalism that we have allowed to infect our people, we have become so weak that any jannah khannah riots in Punjab and destroys public property. Look at the rapist sadh and his followers. Even the Christians rioted in Punjab when there was a rumour that someone had made a mocking poster of Jesus. They rioted in areas where they are only 5-10% Christians and they wanted to show their strength and that in a Sikh majority state they could riot with impunity. Who were the ones who confronted them and forced them to run for their lives, it was the Hindutvis. 

jesus caricature outrages christians in punjab - ucanews.com

The Christian protesters looted shops and destroyed some motorcycles. Police and local people beat up this group. Then, a Hindu mob attacked two churches and burned another, all belonging to Protestant Churches. The police arrested many Christian youths. Father Kavumpuram said as soon as the Hindu radicals retaliated, leaders of the Christians protesting fled the scene

We need to introspect on why it is that given that there is enough evidence in Punjab as there is the BJP ruled states of the inducement that missionaries are giving for converting the lower castes yet only in the BJP ruled states has an anti-conversion law been enacted. Why is it that we elect politicians that care more for 2 lakh Christian votes which cannot even tilt more than 1-2 seats in Punjab and yet they care less for the 10 million Sikh voters? 

There is no doubt that Hindutvis have attempted to infiltrate our institutions. But we need to wise up because we have elected politicians like the Badals who have opened the door to their infiltration. Why have the Panthic Sikhs failed so miserably to take the SGPC or other Sikh insitutions like the Akali Dal away from the Badals. You might think this is because the BJP is in power at the centre, but over 17 years of the Badal's tie up with the BJP there was Congress govts at the centre. Let us own up to our own failings as well. 

I hate how our lot have to always act like superman in everything. What are they trying to prove to the world? Sab da theka litta hoya hai? I cringe anytime i see news about langar now. Even i feel they have turned it to pr stunt.

5 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

yes we have no need of their corrupting mindsets or thetir ugly grasping natures wrt our resources and future generations . It is amazing to me how blind sikhs are to the realities of BJP influenced policies in Punjab they are allowing christians to thrive and convert sikhs whereas they have legislated and even physically expelled missionaries from other states; the question should be Why? distraction and undermining sikh renaissance as is happening in the west , they have insinuated themselves in EVERY educational institute including Khalsa Colleges  to exclude gursikhs from finals and waste their families' money , to remove panjabi and promote their agenda of hinduizing sikhi. What bigger insult is there to deny the shahadat of Guru Teg Bahadur ji and to diminish the sahibzadey as hindus born to protect hindus only.RSS have also announced love jihad on our girls and ladies they are the same as the musley love jihadists . filth pure filth

facts i dont understand why sikhs think love jihad is only with muslims? Ive seen sikh females married to these hindu men since im from the city area and none of the kids ended up as sikhs. But its funny how they cry about love jihad while doing the same with sikh women. I mean there are 500 million hindu females why not just marry them? Even in punjab you will see them going after sikh females instead of their own.

1 hour ago, justasking said:

I never even heard of this untill i learnt about it online, and i think Khatris are the only Sikh group that intermarry hindus and does that no meat on tuesday thing. I dont think any kharkus were khatri either majority were Jatts  and founder of khalistan  movement were Jatt and Rajpoot Sikh. 

yes thats true and they are very assimilationist types too. I dont consider myself khatri lol. You are right about intermarriages. I think most sikhs who intermarry with hindus are khatris only. When i used to read about kharkus and the khalistan movement i was always surprised by the shraddha they had for sikhi and i never saw that type of spirit in the city sikhs. I guess its because most city sikhs are non jatts. Most of the shaheeds were jatts too i think.

25 minutes ago, proactive said:

Sometimes we need to show some intelligence and not go with the stereotype of being a people that cannot think ahead. Looking at an all India level, what do you think a Congress victory bring to India? They will reinforce their Muslim vote bank and that means more love jihad but with those fighting against it being the ones prosecuted. Just as the Democrats in the USA are complicit in allowing illegal immigration because it increases their voter base, so the Congress will allow more and more illegal immigration from Bangladesh which leads to an increase in the Muslims in Punjab. We need to consider who is the least worse for us on an all India level. 

they are both equally bad no lol?

1 minute ago, proactive said:

I know this will not be a popular opinion but as Sikhs we should at least be grateful that the BJP is in power rather than the Congress. These Congress s.cum would  empower their Muslim vote bank like nothing we have seen. I just wish the BJP would deport the illegal Bangladeshis and Rohingyas out of India. At least this would cut the Muslim population of Punjab. 

when two muslim countries were created why werent all these people sent there? So we should be secular while they can create islamic  territories for themselves.

1 minute ago, proactive said:

Here is the bogus response to a FOI request about Rohingyas in Punjab, 

261 Rohingya Muslims Residing In Punjab: State Submits Affidavit In SC (outlookindia.com)

261 only in Punjab is a definite lie meant to keep the population from knowing what is really happening there. But look at the affect of even these 261 Rohingyas in Punjab-;

The Punjab government has further said Rohingyas residing in the state have been serving in slaughter houses and meat plants on daily wages.

I suppose these people work in Jhatka meat shops? Nope, one Bimari leads to another Bimari. 

International organisations like UNHCR are quick to issue ID cards so that they can be treated as refugees and not sent back. 

Out of these 261 Rohingya Muslims, 191 are residing in Dera Bassi and 70 in village Handesra. Further, out of 261, 227 are in possession of United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) certificates. The same in the case of 34 Rohingyas could not be secured due to Covid-19 pandemic," the affidavit stated.

Why do these organizations have so much love for muslims? What about all the nonmuslims slaughtered by them? They create terror for others and then we have to feel sympathy for them.

7 minutes ago, proactive said:

The intention of the ISI is to change the demography of the areas which in 1947 had arge Muslim populations and which are close to Pakistan. Jammu and Punjab are their targets. This is why we need to speak out about this conspiracy to change the demography of Punjab, The people of Jammu are well aware of this and have been able to block this but our people are sleeping in Punjab not knowing what awaits them in the future. 

india is going to have a civil war in the future for sure. people live their lives comfortably as if nothing is gonna happen anymore and we are all gonna live with peace. They have forgotten so many wars happened less than a century ago.

3 minutes ago, proactive said:

The intention of the ISI is to change the demography of the areas which in 1947 had arge Muslim populations and which are close to Pakistan. Jammu and Punjab are their targets. This is why we need to speak out about this conspiracy to change the demography of Punjab, The people of Jammu are well aware of this and have been able to block this but our people are sleeping in Punjab not knowing what awaits them in the future. 

honestly i see so many apne cozying up to these people on twitter just because they are against india since the india thing is a recent one and the 1947 thing is being forgotten. If things go bad these liberals should be sent to the front line to die first since they love humanity so much.Maybe they can sacrifice themselves as part of their one love one humanity campaign.

10 minutes ago, proactive said:

As they get more and more heat in the cow belt, I can see more and more of them choosing to settle in Punjab especially as our liberals have pushed the narrative of their being 'bacharay' victims and that it is our religious duty to help them. This suicidal narrative will bring about the destruction of Punjab if it is not nipped in the bud. 

You mentioned Jammu and Himachal, the people of these regions do not have the liberals we have and in Jammu the Rohingya who went there (no doubt under the ISI plan) to affect the demography  were kicked out by the Hindutvis. Even a small community of 6,000 Rohingyas was enough to ring alarm bells in the Jammu area that understands how demography can be used to deprive them of the land, unfortunately our liberals are hell bent on helping the demographic jihad against Punjab.

 

you should see the changing demographics of the inner areas of jalandhar city. They even caught some of these people from there who were plotting something a few years ago.Remember that muslim dgp guy from that alam sena group and and what they did to many sikh men? I hate sikh liberals they will bring our destruction.

Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

Gurmukhi not Punjabi.

Gurmukhi is the script though the language is (purattan) punjabi with influnce from a few other languages.

2 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Jews never used Hebrew as a spoken language. They spoke Yiddish, Ladino or other languages. 

Even in the times of Jesus like I mentioned before they spoke Aramaic. 

Hebrew was used specifically for religious rites. 

But they have preserved hebrew since ancient times. Im not talking about just using it as language of communication. It was the language that was used for their religion just like how ours is written in punjabi.

5 hours ago, proactive said:

It's what I have always said, we need to keep our noses out of the Hindutvi- Muslim/Liberal upcoming civil war. If needs be we may need  to support the Hindutvis because a Congress/Liberal run India would embolden the Jihadis and we will be swamped in Punjab by the Muslims because of our Sikh liberals who bend over backwards for them and support the building of Mosques in Punjab trying to undo our gains during partition.

The two dangers that Punjab faces is the  settlement of Muslims and the conversions to Christianity. The only party that has taken these on is the BJP. Those who we would have thought would be at the forefront of tackling these issues, the Khalistani/Sikh RW have been totally silent on these issues. The only person I have seen on Punjabi media raising questions about the Islamification of Punjab has been a mona BJP guy and he was shouted down by both the Liberals and the Sikh RW and the Congress. 

Just remember that the Congress and Liberals were quite prepared to commit a genocide of our people. Whatever the agenda of the BJP the fact is that they have managed to destroy the reputation of the sacred cows (no pun intended) of the Indian Liberalism like MK Gandhi and Nehru/Indira Gandhi This should be something that we should welcome because these were the people who revelled in the subjugation of our people. It is correct that there are Hindutvis  who have tried to justify 1984 but this is not the majority and they could be the former liberals who are now running with the Hindutvis for their own reasons. 

One thing that we have to admire about the Hindutvis  is that unlike us they have managed to insolate their liberals and the Hindutvis are now a majority in their population.  The Hindu liberals are being marginalised with each passing year. Lately our people have also woken up to the reality of our liberals but we are a few years behind the total isolation of our liberals that the Hindutvis have achieved in their people.  

Its also funny how muslims cry about hindutvis while their own islamists have been doing horrible things to non muslims since 1947 in pakistan and bangladesh and other islamic countries. They only care when its their people being affected. I dont like hindus but i dont give a damn about what is happening to these muslims anymore. Im just worried about muslims from the cow belt moving to punjab jammu himachal area specifically punjab since our liberal lot will happily welcome them to fill our lands smh. Liberalism is cancer and promotes destruction of communities.

6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Punjabi learnt by Sikhs born in the west is predominantly learnt from the grandparents.

However, now that the grandparents are going to be English speaking Generation X/latter boomers that is not going to be the case.

The problem with parents is that they think that the kids will speak Punjabi in Punjabi school whereas they are only learning to read/write Punjabi. 

That is where the "crux" is, it is the SPEAKING.

The prime place where there might be an opportunity to speak Punjabi is Punjab.

If people don't want to do that, then they should go to Surrey in Canada to learn to speak Punjabi.

jews preserved their language through centuries of persecution and these white wannabee punjabis give it up to gain proximity to whiteness and then they wonder why people think they have inferiority complex. And then comparing yourself to jews? This has to be a joke.