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On 1/31/2022 at 11:56 AM, Kaurr said:
Most of my family that's going abroad is like that. Even the ones that are not into sikhi know their boundaries.
Which area in Punjab are these people from? The people I'm talking about are from the majha area, and some of them are near Mehta chownk.
They're found all around Panjab.
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1 hour ago, Kaurr said:I'm not sure about that considering literally of the younger people in my family started moving abroad in the past 4 years. Did these people come from rich parents? Cause the young people in my family were okay, they weren't too comfortable, but they went to the local private schools, however their parents couldn't afford to pay for all of this. Also, are these people into sikhi? I am fortunate to have a good amount of family that are into sikhi so they don't do this whole going out and dating too much and the spending parents money on kaljug things. Also, the parents are really strict.
The youth I was talking about are from middle-class rural farming families. Youth themselves aren't normally that into Sikhi so explains some of their behaviour. They consider western ways as "modern". The parents aren't that strict on them.
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1 hour ago, Kaurr said:I want to do seva but I'm not sure about getting married there. I've seen some of the blokes there and the way they think (same with the women there as well), for them it's a free visa, there are some decent ones, but they're getting harder and harder to find. I'm not too sure about moving back there because it's becoming increasingly difficult to find a job, however, I would like to open a business and create well paying jobs.
No one will be getting a visa off me.
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4 hours ago, Kaurr said:
Oh the people that have moved abroad as young people in my family have been repaying their parents back and been working pretty hard abroad to pay for themselves. It's sad to see the kids not taking any responsibilities or becoming independent. We're not going to get anywhere if our majority can't look after themselves.
I noticed this was the case with older immigrants who were much more responsible. Ones these days are sometimes a burden on parents.
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On 1/31/2022 at 11:39 AM, Kaurr said:
Family pressure? Wow. A lot of my extended family are pretty rich and have really good jobs and connections so they're staying there for another couple of generations.
I'm not looking to move back to Punjab cause I've seen the mentalities of the people and the way they think, tbh I'm so grateful my parents moved here or otherwise I probably would have been surrounded by these brainwashed people and become like them. However, if everything goes well, I am looking to go to Punjab and potentially open up an industry or a business there to create jobs. Also looking to do seva with the Sikhs in full poverty, esp those who suffered a lot from 1984.
I want to do some seva in Panjab too.
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17 minutes ago, Kaurr said:
I get why these people move abroad, my parents did the same after they couldn't find a well paying job even through they worked their arses off for their degrees. But I feel like instead of running away from the problem, which is what is happening, and glorifying it in the name of the Punjabi entertainment, why not fix it.
At least you know some people working hard for degrees. The type of youth I've met in Panjab just pay to pass their exams to get certificates so they end up with a useless certificate and no knowledge, and they waste their parents money in cities watching movies with bf/gf's or at big shopping malls etc.
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On 1/31/2022 at 11:34 AM, Kaurr said:
I get why these people move abroad, my parents did the same after they couldn't find a well paying job even through they worked their arses off for their degrees. But I feel like instead of running away from the problem, which is what is happening, and glorifying it in the name of the Punjabi entertainment, why not fix it.
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On 1/31/2022 at 10:25 AM, Kaurr said:
Oh my god thank you. Literally pisses me off when I see all this. This stuff is all business, not marriage.
Our people should focus on building a good homeland in Punjab, actually create jobs their and make it them well paying and worth staying in. Create a better place.
And the entertainment industry, well we need another company that makes different type of movies from the classic, girl is abroad, boy is some random pendu from India, girl hates boy but boy likes girl and then comes the creepy following around and stalking and stuff, girl eventually likes the boy and they get married. Like bro, there is so much more different potential we have but nope, we just have to have these types of movies.
The Panjabi entertainment industry is definitely to blame, we need new concepts different from the typical comic love stories set in Canada or England or music videos with exotic girls dancing around.
These IELTS coaching centres have opened up on almost every street in towns and cities of Panjab. It's visually disturbing.
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On 1/30/2022 at 8:04 PM, Premi5 said:https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/features/majha-versus-malwa-punjabi-word-war-111837
Sarika SharmaDivided by Beas and Sutlej, Majha and Malwa regions of Punjab have largely been united in culture. The nitty-gritty, the finer points, however, have always been a bone of contention, sometimes in a lighter vein, but, not always! As lockdown tethered them to their homes, NRIs Raji and Veenu, who go by their first names in their virtual lives, engaged in a light banter to bring out these nuances in their video series, Majha Vs Malwa, which went viral on the now-banned TikTok and was shared on WhatsApp around here so many times. The videos are now part of their YouTube channel, Sadi Life.
In the three-part vlog, the sisters-in-law engage in a war of words. Raji, who hails from Malwa, starts off with a random word in Malwai and Veenu gives a Majhi word for the same. And while it begins with basic words such as roka and thaka for engagement, shalgam and gonglu for turnip, khaaj and khurk for itch, it gets complex. There are words you haven’t heard; tones underlining the difference. It is as much fun as it is enlightening. If the street is called bihi in Malwa, it is gali in Majha; anger is aakad in Malwa and duss in Majha; if Malwa-wallahs call a corner khunja, in Majha it is nukkar; a sua (a smaller canal) turns nkhasu as you look towards Amritsar; haday (pleas) are tarlay in Majha; if the ubiquitous broom is radka in Malwa, it is bokar in Majha!
YouTube channel, Sadi Life, was launched in 2019 by three brothers — Kulvinder Singh, Preet Gill, Navjit Singh, and their brother-in-law Sarab Singh. They wanted to share glimpses into their North American Punjabi lifestyle. It was during the lockdown that Raji and Veenu, who have been in the US for 20 years, got involved.
Born and bred in Patiala, Raji hails from Malwa whereas Veenu is from Amritsar, Majha region. They say the idea of Majha vs Malwa was derived from their own confusions and understanding, rather misunderstanding, of each other’s dialects. Sometimes Veenu would ask Raji for something, but Raji would have no idea what to do since she didn’t understand Majhi and vice versa. “We decided to make a TikTok and YouTube video for entertainment purposes, comparing and contrasting our two different dialects. Much to our surprise, the video went viral and was shared on all major social media platforms,” says Raji. The family was flooded with phone calls from relatives and friends settled worldwide.
The videos evoked mixed feelings in people — it was fun for some and overwhelming for others. “People were thrilled that we brought back words they hadn’t heard since childhood and were perhaps in danger of extinction from the vocabulary of next generation of Punjabis,” says Veenu.
After the first video went viral, people wanted more and some even suggested as to which words to include in the next vlog. Some wanted a Majha vs Doaba, which they followed up with shortly. The duo says it feels proud to have represented its language in such a way and to have started a dialogue about its preservation. “We enjoy making videos exploring various idiosyncrasies of Punjabi culture. We also like to discuss topics such as mental health, that might be considered taboo.”
Raji and Veenu say they take pride in celebrating Punjabiyat every day even as they live away from their homeland. “It’s wonderful to share our rich language, culture, and heritage with the world. It doesn’t matter where Punjabis reside on this planet; we are all connected at the heart!”
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On 1/30/2022 at 7:51 PM, Premi5 said:What do you suggest to change the situation ?
It's difficult to change peoples minds. It's sad to see a sacred union like marriage being treated as a money making business and the social fabric of Panjab being torn apart.
There was a Panjabi film called "Sat Sri Akal England" where the Panjabi man pays a British-Panjabi girl thousands of pounds to fake a marriage with him and get him British citizenship. Such things shouldn't be romanticised in films.
The typical materialistic 'fukraa' lifestyle shouldn't be promoted. Youngsters idolise singers and you can find grown Panjabis arguing over their favourite singers.
Families end up putting their houses on mortgage or selling land to pay for the visa process and the expensive fees. Sometimes these people get cheated on by visa agents and lose all their money or they fall into the contract/sham marriage trap. Many visa agents are frauds who overcharge and sometimes deceit people into third-world countries to be treated as slaves!
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60177929
Ukraine crisis: Russian attack would be 'horrific', US warns
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Image caption,General Mark Milley said a Russian invasion of Ukraine would be "horrific"Top US General Mark Milley has said that a Russian invasion of Ukraine would be "horrific" and would lead to a significant number of casualties.
Gen Milley described the build-up of 100,000 Russian troops near Ukraine's border as the largest since the Cold War.
But US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said conflict could still be avoided through the use of diplomacy.
Russia denies plans to invade and says US support for Ukraine is a threat.
At a news conference at the Pentagon on Friday, Gen Milley - US President Joe Biden's most senior military officer - warned that the scale of Russia's forces near its border with Ukraine meant an attack would have severe consequences.
"If that was unleashed on Ukraine, it would be significant, very significant, and it would result in a significant amount of casualties," said the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff.
Fighting in dense urban areas would be "horrific, it would be terrible", Gen Milley added.
'Not inevitable'
US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said the US was committed to helping Ukraine defend itself, including by providing more weaponry.
"Conflict is not inevitable. There is still time and space for diplomacy," Mr Austin said, calling on Russian President Vladimir Putin to de-escalate the situation.
"There is no reason that this situation has to devolve into conflict... He can order his troops away," he added.
Also on Friday, President Biden said he would send a small number of troops to Eastern Europe in the "near term", to strengthen the Nato presence in the region. He did not specify where they would be stationed or when they would arrive.
Earlier this week, the Pentagon said there were 8,500 combat-ready troops on alert, ready to be deployed at short notice.
The US has rejected a key Moscow demand that Nato rule out Ukraine joining the defence alliance - but insisted it was offering Russia a "serious diplomatic path".
Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the West of ignoring Russia's security concerns.
But he said he would study the US response before deciding what to do, according to a Kremlin readout of a call between Mr Putin and his French counterpart.
France said the two leaders had agreed on the need to de-escalate and that its President Emmanuel Macron had told Mr Putin that Russia must respect the sovereignty of its neighbouring states.
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"We don't need this panic," Mr Zelensky said'Don't create panic'
The warnings from the Pentagon come after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told reporters not to create panic over the build-up of Russian troops on his country's borders.
At a news conference in Kyiv, Mr Zelensky said he did not see a greater threat now than during a similar massing of troops last spring.
"There are signals even from respected leaders of states, they just say that tomorrow there will be war. This is panic - how much does it cost for our state?"
The "destabilisation of the situation inside the country" was the biggest threat to Ukraine, he said.
Diplomacy intensifies by the day. Everyone wants to be seen to be doing something but they don't want to do it - they don't want their own troops on the ground fighting a war in Ukraine against Russia.
Everyone has their own interest: President Biden is post-Afghanistan pullout debacle; Germany is post-Angela Merkel; Britain is post-Brexit, trying to carve out its own way in the world; and President Macron of France is pre-elections in the spring.
But they all want to prevent a war on Europe's doorstep; all want to stop President Putin's efforts to reshape this region. President Zelensky's extraordinary outburst asking everyone to calm down underlined the risks of escalating rhetoric. But he was equally clear: if this war escalates in Ukraine it will spill across borders, there will be proxy wars.
So telephone lines are burning. President Biden had his call with President Putin. President Macron had his. Now it seems Prime Minister Johnson will have his telephone moment too.
President Putin is where he wants to be - at the centre of world attention. In the dead of a very cold winter in the depths of a very old crisis, there's little clarity about the days ahead. No one can afford to lose, but it's not yet clear how they'll all pull back from this brink.
Russia last month made wide-ranging security demands from the West, including that:
- Ukraine should be barred from joining Nato
- Nato should end military activity in eastern Europe, pulling troops out of Poland and the Baltic republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania
- The alliance should not deploy missiles in countries near or bordering Russia
The US and Nato responded by saying Ukraine had the right to choose its own allies, but offered Russia talks on missile placements and other issues.
If Russia were to invade Ukraine, it would not be the first time.
Russia annexed Ukraine's southern Crimea peninsula in 2014. It is also backing rebels who seized large swathes of the eastern Donbas region soon afterwards, and some 14,000 people have died in fighting there.
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On 1/21/2022 at 3:08 PM, Kaurr said:
It's because these congress and akalis promise things to certain people. I have family back in punjab and I remeber constantly trying to convince them to not vote for congress or akali but no luck, some of them you'd rather bash your head against a brick wall then try to argue with them, no use. They often promise them government jobs and stuff, in exchange for votes, otherwise the well paying government jobs are basically impossible to get, which is we have so many punjabi sikhs moving abroad, happen to a few of my second cousins. Another reason they vote for these akali and congress is because of 'connection'. A lol of people in my family have connections with them, some are related to them. So basically if you're out and you have the punjab police asking for stuff, and your missing a few papers or don't have a licence, they'll just call one of these politicians, pr pretend to, and get away without paying anything. In punjab, it's pretty difficult to get certificates, so if you ask one of the politicians, they'll make stuff 'easier'. Also, if you do illegal things, which is really common in punjab, a lot excape jail by calling one of these politicians.
Political parties in Panjab also hand out freebies during elections so people vote for them. These can include things like alcohol to men and/or household things like lentils.
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(bit of a rant)
A growing number of Sikh/Panjabis lack strong ambition in life except moving to another country. As soon as they finish school, they start preparing for a some English test. Numerous 'coaching' centres for this test have opened up on almost every street in Panjab cities and towns.
Even some political parties were offering financial assistance for Panjabi youth to go abroad! These parties should instead be focusing on creating employment in Panjab rather encouraging all the young population to go to other countries so their governance isn't questioned in the future.
There are less opportunities for people in Panjab but some are lazy. A lot refuse to help out in family farms, expect their parents pay for english tests and the whole visa process. Their farms are now looked after by hired Indians from other states such as Bihar (there is 1 migrant from UP/Bihar for every 5 Panjabis). Panjabi songs & cinema can be held somewhat accountable for this behaviour. Some families sadly take out big loans or even put their land/houses on mortgage so they can afford the whole process. People believe living abroad is a fairytale where nothing can go wrong.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to move to another country but the path some people take to move abroad has torn social fabrics of Panjab.
There are countless cases of "contract" marriages in Panjab, some are conducted through Anand Karaj. Lavan don't hold the same meaning and have become a business. They're done for benefits where the couple divorces after taking the partner abroad. Sometimes it's the girl or boys families who are encouraging them to get into such marriages. A Panjabi even married his own sister so she could get a visa!
There are advertisements for girls (as young as 18) from less wealthy families who can score a good mark in the IELTS test and they're "contract" married to wealthier males who bear the expenses to travel to foreign countries. The groom can then get a visa and the couple usually divorces. There have been cases of domestic violence by the grooms families if the bride isn't able to score an adequate mark. Some females have also gone abroad alone on the groom's money and then completely blocked contact with them once they're out or send the grooms to foreign jails. There are also abandoned wives who are married to NRI's but get deserted after a few months. More than 3,300 such complaints have been filed by the cheated families with the Ministry of External Affairs by cheated families, 3000 of them are from Panjab.
15 Punjab Boys Go Missing While Trying To Enter US Illegally. The group was intercepted by the Mexican Army just an hour away from the US border
Panjab women duped and stuck in Muscat goes viral, Amarinder asks for MEA help.
27 Panjabis killed in Iraq after being abducted
https://www.scoopwhoop.com/brother-sister-from-punjab-marry-australia-visa/
https://www.sbs.com.au/language/english/audio/ielts-brides-the-business-of-marriage-in-punjab
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On 7/8/2021 at 8:19 AM, dallysingh101 said:"The masterstroke of the coloniser is to make the colonised lose their sense of self, and so you're separated from your origins, and then you find yourself reconstructing your origin story and then holding that really really tight because that's all you have, and that's what you need to survive, and I think that's what we've largely done as a community."
Davinder Toor
I love Davinder Toor's collection of vintage Sikh/Panjabi art and photos. Really helped me connect with the past.
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Farming starts on land belonging to Guru Nanak
LAHORE: Farming has been started on 64 acre of land belonging to Baba Guru Nanak Dev Ji, in Kartarpur Sahib, which will be supervised by the Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (PSGPC) and Kartarpur Corridor Management Unit (KCMU).
Head of Kartarpur Management Muhammad Latif inaugurated the farming while Sikh from India also participated in the ceremony. The production will be spent on Sikh pilgrims.
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Afghanistan’s last Sikhs in a dilemma: To stay or leave
Community leaders estimate just 140 Sikhs remain in the Taliban-ruled country, mostly in the eastern city of Jalalabad and capital Kabul.
An Afghan Sikh priest praying at the Karte Parwan Gurdwara temple in Kabul [Mohd Rasfan/AFP]Published On 20 Jan 202220 Jan 2022The caretaker of Kabul’s last Sikh temple stands looking at the cavernous hall where throngs once gathered in worship.
Only a handful are left now.
“Afghanistan is our country, our homeland,” said Gurnam Singh. “But we are leaving out of sheer hopelessness.”
In the 1970s, Afghanistan’s Sikh population numbered 100,000, but decades of conflict, poverty and intolerance have driven almost all of them into exile.
The Soviet occupation, subsequent Taliban regime and bloody military intervention by the United States winnowed their numbers to just 240 last year, according to figures kept by the community.
After the Taliban returned to power in August, opening the newest chapter in Afghanistan’s dark history, a fresh wave of Sikhs fled the country.
Today, Gurnam Singh estimates just 140 remain, mostly in the eastern city of Jalalabad and in Kabul.
An Afghan Sikh priest carrying the Guru Granth Sahib at the Karte Parwan Gurdwara in Kabul [Mohd Rasfan/AFP]
Some of the remaining devotees trickle into the Karte Parwan Gurdwara temple to pray on a recent wintry morning.
Men stand to one side, women to the other – about 15 people in total.
Sitting barefoot on a floor covered with thick red rugs, they warm themselves around stoves and listen to a recitation from the Guru Granth Sahib, the Sikh holy book.
In November, the temple had three copies, but two have since been sent to New Delhi for “safekeeping”.
Poverty is rife among Afghan Sikhs, and attacks by the Afghan chapter of the ISIL (ISIS) armed group are a real threat.
The overwhelming majority of Sikhs fleeing Afghanistan have landed in India, where 90 percent of the religion’s 25 million global adherents live, mainly in the northwest region of Punjab.
Since the Taliban takeover, India has offered exiled Sikhs priority visas and the opportunity to apply for long-term residency. There is no sign yet that citizenship is on the table.
Pharmacist Manjit Singh, 40, is among those who turned down the offer, despite his daughter having emigrated there with her new husband last year.
“What would I do in India?” he asked. “There is no job or house there.”
Among the remaining holdouts, the prospect of leaving is particularly wrenching: it would mean abandoning their spiritual home.
“When this gurdwara was built 60 years ago, the whole area was full of Sikhs,” said 60-year-old community elder Manmohan Singh.
“Whatever joy or sorrow we felt, we shared it here.”
A priest praying at the Karte Parwan Gurdwara temple in Kabul [Mohd Rasfan/AFP]
From the outside, the temple is largely indistinguishable from other buildings on the street. But security here is markedly high, with body searches, ID checks and two fortified doors.
In early October, unidentified gunmen forced their way inside and vandalised the sacred space.
The incident had ugly echoes of the most scarring attack on the Afghan Sikh community.
In March 2020, members of ISIL assaulted the Gurdwara Har Rai Sahib in Shor Bazar, a former enclave of Kabul’s Sikh community, killing 25.
Since the attack, that temple – and the nearby Dharamshala Gurdwara, the capital’s oldest Sikh house of worship at an estimated 500 years – have been abandoned.
Parmajeet Kaur was struck by shrapnel in her left eye during the attack, and her sister was among those killed.
In the weeks that followed, Kaur packed her bags and headed for New Delhi, but “we had no work and it was expensive, so we came back”, she said.
That was in July, a few weeks before the Taliban returned to power.
Now Kaur, her husband and three children are fed and housed by Karte Parwan Gurdwara.
Her children do not go to school, and Kaur never ventures beyond the walls of the temple, the only place where she feels safe.
She thinks about leaving again, this time for Canada or the US.
“My son and daughters are still small,” she said. “If we leave, we can make something of our lives.”
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24 minutes ago, justasking said:
oh ya i heard about tht, this kind of thing is frowned upon by canadian born punjabis even the criminal types dont really get involved in prostitution but it seems like a few fobs have no problems doing this
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Indian-Canadian social workers accept that this is an increasing problem in the GTA and surrounding regions. According to one report, an elderly Indo-Canadian woman says a nurse from their family revealed every month 10-12 students come in for abortion where some are Indian students.
It should also be noted, some students willingly put them selves into this situation so they can manage their expenses. Most of the girls in these situations have gone away from their families to a foreign land for the first time so they take advantage of the "freedom" given to them.
Sunder Singh from Elspeth Wayworth Centre for Women says girls are exploited in two ways. The first is, agents already know the girls are completely alone and lonely so they take advantage of this and begin by praising the girl and winning her trust.
Punjabis shouldn't send their daughters/sisters/wives abroad alone, especially if they don't have adequate living expenses. But I don't think they care since many are desperate to move out at any cost. One even married his sister!
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11 minutes ago, justasking said:
can you summarize this bro i can't read punjabi
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Indian international students in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) are falling into the hands of drug dealers and agents. The more worse thing is they're being exploited by their own Indian Canadians. According to one report, the situation is so bad that some girls are being forced into prostitution to pay their education fees. In August, three Indian-Canadian men from Brampton were arrested for smuggling a 18 year old into this "business". This is proof that International Indian students are being exploited in the GTA and it's spreading.
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13 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:
Yeah hard pass on all that narcissism thanks.
narcissism?
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On 1/15/2020 at 10:37 PM, puzzled said:
I think their gonna start wearing nose studs next
Great prediction because they already have! He's a Panjabi artist from Canada but his family background is from Hoshiarpur Panjab.
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On 11/6/2018 at 8:09 AM, puzzled said:
So why don't Sikh brides cover their heads? they normally have their buns covered but not their heads. whats the reason behind this? if i walked into gurdwara with my patka slipping and hanging of my bun i would probably get death stares, People would probably feel like tossing me out of the window. But why do Sikh brides get away with it? a few years back during the summer i wore a cap to the gurdwara, i soon had 5 singhs standing behind me not looking very amused. i was told to take it off and wear a ramal. why the double F,ing standards?
heres a quick google search., Why were none of these women dragged out or told to cover their heads before guru granth sahib ji ? you can hardly call any of the below a head covering.
The double standards are really starting to annoy me
It's all about what's in fashion for most people, some Sikh brides follow Bollywood trends by wearing a Lehenga-Choli outfit. The Choli blouse shows the stomach and sometimes has a deep neck. Just a few decades back, brides covered their head properly.
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On 1/12/2022 at 9:48 AM, dallysingh101 said:Have you spent a lot of time in these places? What cultural changes did you notice between the two?
The eastern side have a different Punjabi dialect called Puadhi. This is spoken in Kharar, Mohali, parts of Ludhiana and Patiala district, eastern Sangrur district, Ropar, etc and areas of Haryana. It's also the native dialect of Chandigarh city. Some eastern districts are more developed due to close proximity to Chandigarh.
Cultural differences between Malwai's in the west and east were more pronounced in the 20th century. Cultural differences.
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On 1/12/2022 at 8:02 AM, justasking said:
i was always under the impression tht bhangra dancing and boliya were a malwai thing
There’s a difference between boliya and Bhangra. Boliya, Mahiye and/or Tappe are commonly sung all around Punjab by women (and sometimes men) in rural areas during festivals and marriages.
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7 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
Oh okay, so Doabans have traditionally been known to be a bunch of 'fankars'............hhhmmmmm
Satinder Sartaj (also from Doaba) talking about characteristics of Punjab regions.
https://youtube.com/shorts/N6awWe1sw-c?feature=shareThey haven’t all been a bunch of Fankars but the region did have a lot of famous artists (like Fateh Ali Khan pre-partition).
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Why have Punjabi songs become so Arabized?
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Noticed this too. Youth in Panjab have started putting their names on social media bios in Arabic/Urdu scripts even though they can't read the script (copied from google translate most likely). Possibly a result of these songs romanticising Arabian things.
There seems to be a never-ending obsession