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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:
I think the recent colonial era and the 'Green revolution' plays a big part in this.
Definitely but recently migration (mass-exodus) made it worse in terms of tearing the social fabric, morals, etc. It astonishes me how low people have stooped, particularly in the past decade.
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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:
Are these people also giving toy horses so that they can get horses? What sort of primitive 'culture' is this?
I think the horses have some historical connection with Talhan Sahib Gurdwara too.
But these are the reasons for different toys
Gudda (male doll) to fulfil the wish of a male child
Horses for good health
Planes for flying out (which make up the majority)
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1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:
They are like some alien race in a sci-fi movie that settle in an area - completely nachoor it and ruin it, and then move on to another planet to do the same again.
Quite sad. Our ancestors kept this land somehow for ages without ruining it. Then a few generations come in, set to make it a polluted desert, disrespect Gurdwara's and tear apart any existing social fabric.
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7 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
You're right, this is properly disrespectful. Who is allowing this to go on unchecked?
Doabans doing this, you can understand, but how is this stupidity spreading unchecked?
But these days, I don't even think an explicit condemning and banning from Akal Takhat would stop this.
Something very strange going on in society out there.
This ones from Jalandhar. Isn't it disrespectful to place toys like that?
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4 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
'Regressing'
That's the word I was look for. We are regressing as a people.
Once I heard of people visiting a particular Gurdwara for 4/5 Sunday's to get their visa! Apparently, visiting that Gurdwara and getting your name written in the Ardas fulfilled all your wishes, and you can guess what majority of Panjabis wish for!
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Just now, dallysingh101 said:
You're right, this is properly disrespectful. Who is allowing this to go on unchecked?
Doabans doing this, you can understand, but how is this stupidity spreading unchecked?
But these days, I don't even think an explicit condemning and banning from Akal Takhat would stop this.
Something very strange going on in society out there.
Someone should make a complaint to the Akal Takht. I think this is will make other Gurdwara's (run by greedy people) go on similar paths to attract crowds, attention and money.
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3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Can't something be done? Why don't the gianis make a point and break and throw all the model aeroplanes in a heap outside the Gurdwara? And make some speeches from the stage. Unless they are the ones selling them themselves.
This short of penduism is so cringe..........
We are going in the completely wrong direction in Panjab. We aren't evolving as a panth, we are doing the opposite.
I was just wondering that. This dumb move should be considered disrespectful, never seen people so desperate.
Plus, those toy planes are just single-use plastic waste (they're most likely made of that).
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52 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Doaban's spreading their retardedness........
It's off to Majha next
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This obsession has taken over other areas of Panjab too after "plane-Gurdvara's" in Doaba region!
Punjab: In Barnala, gurdwara gets 'planes' in offerings as 'foreign dreams come true' & belief takes flight
(Neel Kamal / TNN / Updated: Jul 25, 2022, 11:56 IST)
HANDIAYA (BARNALA): After Doaba, people in Malwa region of Punjab have started thronging religious places even to fulfil their dreams to fly abroad. The historic Gurdwara Patshahi Nauvi at Handiaya village in Barnala district has gained in popularity among worshippers praying to settle abroad.
Many devotees reach the gurdwara from far-off places and offer replicas of airplanes at the sanctum santorum. Going by the trend, a number of stalls selling toy planes have come up outside the gurdwara.
The gurdwara, where ninth Sikh master Guru Tegh Bahadur is believed to have visited, was built in 1997. It is only now that it has become a point for those making wishes to flying abroad. A huge crowd throngs the gurdwara on Sundays.
The trend of youngsters leaving Punjab for foreign shores, mainly Canada, Australia and USA, for a better life has been popular for years now. It is because of this that coaching centres for speaking in English have mushroomed across the state and English proficiency tests like IELTS and TOEFL have gotten popular.
With a large number of devotees thronging every Sunday and even on weekdays, the gurdwara has gotten new buildings to accommodate the crowd. Himmat Singh of Dhurkot village, who brought a plane as an offering to the gurdwara, said, "I have applied for Canada and my file is at the initial stages. I have come to wish the file is cleared at the earliest." Sandeep Singh of Kahneke village, who brought a plane as an offering too, said his wife has applied for a work visa to Canada and he had come to the gurdwara to wish she got through.
A sewadar at the gurdwara said it was beleved that wishes of many people had been fulfilled at the gurdwara. "That is why the number of devotees to the gurdwara keep increasing," he said.
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On 11/20/2021 at 9:34 PM, californiasardar1 said:
This is where our society is, sadly.
Why does this “actress” use “Kaur” in her name? She should at least have the decency of using her caste surname if she is going to behave like this.
Very late to the post but I never understand women like that. They complain they aren't "sexualised" and if they are, they complain about "objectification".
As a woman, I don't need these rubbish shows. This "Kaur" should stop speaking on behalf of all south Asian women.
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9 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:
I dont think much is going to happen. People in the west open up centers of learning for various fields whereas back home in Punjab opening ielts centre is considered business lol. I don't keep my hopes high unless some miracle happens.
Punjab CM Bhagwant Mann announces MSP for moong dal
In a decision aimed at encouraging farmers towards diversification, Punjab Chief Minister Bhagwant Mann Friday announced minimum support price (MSP) for moong dal (lentils) and assured farmers that the government would lift the crop if they go ahead and cultivate it.
The government will also pay difference to farmers selling moong below MSP, promises CM Mann
IELTS centers are a visual sore! They're on every street of every town in Panjab, its disturbing. If you search for jobs in Panjab, more than 50% of them are for IELTS center teachers, receptionists, etc.
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1 minute ago, proudkaur21 said:
what is surprising is that despite repeated warnings of Punjab becoming a desert, majority of the people dont care. I guess this is what a dead conscience is.
There's been efforts to diversify crops in Panjab. I heard the government offered MSP on other drops like lentils, but not many people took up the offer.
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24 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:
And top it all off most people in punjab dont even eat rice. It's mostly grown to feed the rest of those states most likely. Literally ruined our future due to that so called revolution.
This map conveys it all.
The states on the eastern side are more suitable for rice-growing and then there's Panjab, the lone one in the north west.
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10 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:
Our people should have never participated in that green revolution nonsense now we dont even have enough drinkable water. People talk about development when they wont even have drinkable water and good food in the future.
The Green Revolution was anything but "green" long term. Panjab had far more crop diversity prior, people had enough in their farms and never had to purchase chemical-infested fruit & veg from outside. Villages used to be very self-sustainable.
Now, 2 or 3 crops have taken over all of Panjab, especially rice. I don't know why they don't realise Panjab doesn't have the environment nor water to manage it long-term.
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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:
I think 5aaban has answered that question in her last post.
But then again, look at that jaloos paani drinking video with Bhagwant Maan, if I'm not mistaken (and I could be) the guy in orange is a Hindu? Most people would struggle to tell the difference in such circs.
I believe the man in orange either Balbir Singh Seechewal or one of his volunteers. Seechewal cleaned Panjab's polluted Kali Bein River and a he's a current Rajya Sabha member. Wikipedia says he's "Nirmala Sikh", explaining his clothing as they tend to wear ochre-colored/Bhagwa robes.
"When the baba learned that Guru Nanak Dev, the founder of Sikhism, had bathed in the rivulet...he was determined to restore the pristine glory of the river. In 2000 Seechewal got into the river with a handful of his sewadars (volunteers) to start the cleaning operations."
But Sikhs may be mistaken for Rajasthani Sadhus due to the turban style, however Sadhu's wear paint/red markings on the forehead too. I also don't think the Granthi who got attacked would've dressed in saffron clothing or resembled a typical Sadhu wearing a Mala around his neck.
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Because Singh as a surname and title has existed for a long time in various South Asian and Southeast Asian communities. Singh or Simha originates from Sanskrit and can be translated as "lion". Various Kshatriya communities have used this as a title in India, later it came into vogue with Rajputs. It was adopted by Sikhs in 1699, as per the instructions of Guru Gobind Singh.
This surname came to be associated with power and authority, many other communities such as Brahmins and Baniyas of Uttar Pradesh started using it in the 18th century. Citing Kshatriya status, Ahirs (Yadavs), Kushwaha (Koeri) and Kurmis also use 'Singh' as part of their names. Many Muslim Shins also used the surname "Sing". People belonging to several other castes and communities have also used Singh as a title, middle name or a surname. Such as some Gujjars, Marathas, many caste groups of Bihar, etc. In order to create a casteless society, many first generation Indians and Nepalis have changed their surnames to "Singh".
Hope this answered your question
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21 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
They were obviously looking specifically for a hindu that day. That these people didn't recognise him for what he was from his kesh is maybe indicative of how well known Sikhs are in Rajastan?
11 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:I have seen some sadhus in states like Rajasthan and all keeping kesh and having turbans. They can be mistaken as sikhs sometimes. Could this be why?
That could be reason. There are 872,930 Sikhs in Rajasthan but they're mostly concentrated in north western districts which border Panjab and Sikhs are well-known there. In those specific areas, Sikhs are between 10-25% of the population.
Sri Ganganagar district is 24.11% Sikhs and Hanumangarh district is 12.23%
However, in Alwar district (where the incident occurred), Sikhs are only 1.76%.
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14 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
I hope you're not subtly normalising our own people doing this stuff because other people do?
Definitely not, I was just highlighting the extent of slavery in the modern world. Sikhi doesn't condone such practices and they shouldn't be normalised.
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There are many videos, people, articles and comments online claiming Sikhs were the main and first aggressors during the partition (1947). In reality, it was Sikhs who were first targeted by aggressive Muslim mobs in modern day Pakistan before the partition was even announced! Don't fall for any propaganda, especially Pakistani, which shifts most blame to Sikhs (as seen online and in movies/dramas). The looting, killing and abductions were all first unleashed by Muslim groups.
1946 genocide of Sikhs & Hindus in Hazara region
Violence broke out in Calcutta, 1946 as the Muslim league ordered "Direct Action" resulting in thousands of deaths. Similarly, in late 1946, Sikhs and Hindus of Hazara district (NWFP) first faced unprecedented savagery from Muslim mobs. Although its not in Panjab, Hazara had a large Panjabi population. On 7/12/1946, many Sikhs in villages faced unprovoked attacks. In Batal village, 22 Sikhs and Hindus were killed or wounded. The markets of Uggi village were attacked and shops of Sikhs were set on fire, 5 more were killed. In Sum Ilahi Mung village, Sikhs and Hindu evacuees from Batal & Uggi were attacked, 14 were killed with 27 injured. In Garhi Jallo, stray killing of Hindus and Sikhs continued, the Gurdwara was also burnt down.
This violence extended to other parts of the district. Many more Sikhs were burnt and shot. Due to deteriorating conditions, evacuees sought refuge in places such as Rawalpindi and eastwards in Panjab.
Rise of Muslim-league agitation in Panjab
The agitation had begun earlier in Panjab, however it grew more violent in February, 1947. There were many train hold ups in places like Amritsar and Ludhiana. On 14/2/1947, faces of non-Muslim tonga (horse carriage) drivers were blackened. The Muslim-league in Amritsar attacked a Sikh constable who was stoned to death by a mob (25/2/1947).
Toha Khalsa massacre of Sikhs in Rawalpindi in March, 1947
Thoha Khalsa is a village of Kahuta Region of District Rawalpindi. Sikhs were attacked by people from surrounding villages in Rawalpindi on 6th March, 1947. They were asked to convert or face violence and the local Muslims remained silent despite assuring them safety before. Sikhs negotiated with the mobs for days and finally gathered at the grand Haveli of Sardar Gulab Singh. After Sikh houses were looted, mobs attempted to gain access to the Haveli. On March 12, 200 Sikhs were killed and the women were asked to accept Islam. However, most Sikh women (led by Maan Kaur) committed suicide at the village well. A while later, military arrived in the village to rescue any survivors.
Link to eyewitness account of a 85 year old Muslim
Account of Basant Kaur (survivor)
"I took my children, and then we jumped in -- I had some jewelry on me, things in my ears, on my wrists, and I had fourteen rupees on me. I took all that and threw it into the well, and then I jumped in, but it's like when you put rotis into a tandoor, and if it is too full, the ones near the top, they don't cook, they have to be taken out. So the well filled up, and we could not drown... the children survived. Later Nehru went to see the well..."
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Hate crime in Rajasthan: Tensions prevail in Alwar as a group of Muslim youths thrash a Sikh man, chop off his hair
Upon learning that the victim was a Sikh, the miscreants decided against killing him and instead cut off his keshas (unshorn hair), which is prohibited under Sikhism. The miscreants then fled leaving Gurbaksh Singh in an injured state.
Tensions simmered in Milkapur village in Alwar, Rajasthan, after 4-5 Muslim youths allegedly harassed and assaulted one Gurbaksh Singh, a former granthi of a Gurudwara located in the area. The miscreants reportedly accosted the victim, beat him up, threw red chilli powder in his eyes, and chopped his hair, something Sikhism prohibits its followers from doing.
Several members of the Sikh community came to the streets and staged a dharna outside the Alwar PS in Rajasthan to protest against the harassment meted out at Gurbaksh Singh on the night of Thursday, July 21.
In a video that has gone viral on social media, the victim, Gurbaksh Singh narrated what transpired with him on the night of July 21. He alleged that around 9 pm on Thursday, he was on his way from his home in Milakpur to Alavada to buy medicines when he was allegedly waylaid by the miscreants. The youths asked him to stop his bike and park it on one corner of the road. They then dragged Gurbaksh Singh to a deserted corner and threw red chilli powder in his eyes.
Gurbaksh Singh further recalled that the miscreants pinned him down, put a knife on his neck and were about to kill him but suddenly stopped and confirmed his name. The petrified Gurbaksh Singh introduced himself and told them that he was the former Granthi of a Gurudwara in Milakpur.
Upon learning that the victim was a Sikh, the miscreants decided against killing him and called one of the man named ”Jumma”, who asked them to instead cut off his keshas (unshorn hair), which is prohibited under Sikhism. The miscreants then fled leaving Gurbaksh Singh in an injured state.
Around 15 minutes later, when Gurbakh Singh regained consciousness and got a hold of himself, he narrated the ordeal to some locals who took him to the community health centre for treatment. The villagers reported the incident to the local police station.
After getting the information, Alwar Superintendent of Police Tejaswini Gautam, Additional SP Sarita Singh, ADM Akhilesh Peepal, Shivaji Park Police Station incharge Ramniwas Meena and Ramgarh Police Station incharge Surendra Kumar reached the community health centre to meet Gurbaksh Singh.
The victim gave the police all the details of the incident. The police, in turn, assured to launch an investigation in the matter. The enraged villagers, meanwhile, gheraoed the police station and demanded an expeditious investigation into the incident. They demanded that the miscreants who had fled the scene of the crime after the incident, be apprehended quickly and dealt with strictly.
This incident comes on the heels of the recent brutal beheading of a Hindu tailor Kanhaiya Lal in Udaipur, Rajasthan by two Islamists Mohammad Riyaz and Ghouse Mohammad for supporting Nupur Sharma on social media.
Following the murder of Hindu tailor Kanhaiya Lal in Udaipur on June 28, his killers Mohammed Riyaz Akhtar and Mohammed Gos escaped the scene on a bike with number 2611. 26-11 is the date of the Mumbai Terror Attack. The killers were nabbed by the Police 130 KM away from Udaipur at Bhim Highway. This case is being investigated by the National Investigation Agency (NIA).
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On 7/23/2022 at 9:39 PM, dallysingh101 said:
Organisations break down goals into 3 levels, strategic (very long term, and general), tactical (medium term and more specific actions and structures put in place) and operational (day to day activities that help realise the previous goals/aims). Our lot don't have ANY solid strategic goal let alone trying to put in place and develop norms in our society to realise them.
Seems really thicko when you compare to other more developed people.
Well explained. I can't emphasise this enough but majority of Panjabis/Sikhs are driven by short-term gains. Many of the problems facing Panjab's environment and people are a result of their own actions and lack of ability to focus on the long term future.
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3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:Well, why wasn't she snapped up before?
I've seen girls with horrendous reps (full on hoes) getting hitched to respectable families just because they were pretty.
17 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:The prospective bride was lucky.
I know a girl, pretty looking who for years rejected rishtay from keshdari boys, truck drivers, office clerks and shes now in her 40s still at home watching hindi serials waiting for her prince charming.
He mentioned she was the one who rejected proposals, not the men. So she chose not to get hitched in her early years.
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On 7/23/2022 at 9:33 PM, dallysingh101 said:
If this stunt is anything to go by......I'm wondering if he even has enough brains to understand what the problem is?
Why don't we have smart, intelligent people as leaders? After all of the debacle of voting Badals for decades (and that too with bribes of alcohol), it looks like pendus would now vote anyone who is a minor celebrity (especially singers) into power?????? The mind boggles.
The worlds getting more and more intense in various ways, if we keep voting dimwits and boliyan-paaing folks in, the writing is on the wall for us.
Our community really lacks educated/intellectual people. By educated, I don't mean having a PhD or speaking English but people who really understand our issues, how to approach them and think long term.
Many of our people think about short term benefits. They seriously need to understand the long term implications of their actions and behaviour.
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25 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Why do you think they were rejecting her? Normally, pretty women get snapped up?
Maybe she lost the 'prettiness' in her 40s.
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Plane Gurdwara's take over Panjab
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They're doing what Sikhi forbids, blind, meaningless ritualism and offerings.