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8 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
Here's an interesting (related) observation from Jacquemont who visited M. Ranjit Singh's kingdom:
Kapurthala is the residence of a Sikh Sardar, Fatteh Singh, who is now erecting outside the city a very large and fine mansion. Seeing a mosque near it, I asked who had built it; Sha Uddin [one of the important Fakir brothers], told me it was the wife of the sardar. This princess is a Muhammadan lady. They have two children, as orthodox Sikh as possible, I was informed. The city is small, but appears prosperous.
Didn’t some Kapurthala king also marry white women? And some say they became Christians.
I read a Patiala Maharaja did and she had to convert to Sikhi before.
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On 6/4/2022 at 9:23 PM, dallysingh101 said:I know. And I resent it.
The stupidity has spread throughout the panth. Those tarkhaans need lessons on what the difference between their own culture and barn dancing culture is in my opinion. They need to be condemned too. There were historical reasons that the music culture developed in the UK that we've discussed ad nauseum now, we need to get the idea of how it now screws us over in multiple ways (and is used by outsiders to turn us into clowns) firmly into the majority of apnay's head. It's gone from putting girls on a plate, turning into jamboreeing buffoons, to now creating some contrived 'gangsta' stuff that (from what I'm seeing) is mainly going to cause apnay to kill other apnay - especially inbetween juts - which is exactly what we are seeing with Moosewala and Brar.
I don't know if we've got enough insularity for that? And frankly, I'm beginning to believe a lot of people historically jumped on the ship for purely status/economic purposes, so they don't have any real feelings towards Sikh values, and their families never ever did. And this is glaring from how they will jump on all manner of other cultures and knowingly sell their own out. But that being said, probably plenty of sullay panjabis did the same historically as well. Having grown up around those sullay and seeing them over decades, I'm wondering if all the first cousin marriage makes them more devious and perceptive than our lot? But maybe it's the 'kumbha-yaah' way 'Sikhism' has been taught for the last few generations, with it's outdated emphasis on being 'secular' and 'liberal' that screws up a lot of people's head growing up - so they have a childlike grasp of people's real nature - which explains the 'stupid' and 'gullible' stereotype? It's like it prevents them from forming a healthy concept of boundaries between different belief systems/ways of life, as well as the undeniable truth about the dark nature of many humans and societies.
The other type will just keep banging on about how great their jaat is, and how high they are, creating hordes of simple brained pendus with 'delusions of grandeur' which make them averse to thinking about any serious panthic unity and cooperation outside of their (by the looks of it) dysfunctional biraderi system. I use the word dysfunctional because it's a strange brotherhood, where murder and scamming over land and property aren't uncommon, and it also affiliates these people to hordes of garhSikhs who've openly had a hostile attitude to the panth for a while. These novel ways of thought seem to stem stem from the colonial era when the whole game was to make docile, useful citizens, and also counter any resistance by employing a divide and rule strategy. So it has logical and explainable antecedents?
I think we are beginning to see an emergence of mainstream media start to demonise Sikhs, or turn a blind eye to any issues they face.
Sullay turned away from Panjabi culture because they somehow knew early on where this stuff will lead us. I remember the early guys who started doing parchaar in my ends, they were street guys. They weaned their own off drinking, and as we all know, bullied their women folk into not attending bhangra gigs. What's weird, is that I find myself seeing what they are seeing about 'our culture'. What do you think the chances are of the majority of apnay seeing things like that too?
Also we need (has to be said) 'cool' Sikhi alternatives to the bhangra/pendu/non-intellectual culture, to fill the void. Having a bunch of conservative, momma's boys, boring people preaching won't cut it.
And what if we pull it off in the UK, what about all the jaloos going on in Canada? Which direction will the Aussie Sikhs (and others) go too?
They are a mixed bag. Most are fairly traditional. So you would rarely hear of a women engaging in things like drinking although the men like to drink.
Shisha/Hooka culture in Australia isn't popular so its rare for a Sikh to engage in that. Bhangra culture is coming here but not as much as Canada or the USA.
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On 6/4/2022 at 7:31 AM, Whatdoiknow said:
there's no originality, they take hit hip hop tracks, change them up slightly, not enough that you don't recognize what they are, and put some trash lyrics over it, no originality, pathetic message in music, it really is cringe
Panjabi music now is limited to artists getting caught in preplanned controversies every other day.
Swearing has become so normalised in Panjabi music because of rap/hip-hop. UK Panjabi music also contributed to popularising these new genres in Panjab. Young people in Panjab are so obsessed with singers, they even swear at each other over them.
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9 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:
is this accurate as of 2022?
There hasn’t been a recent census so no, it’s most likely from 2011.
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Map showing majority religion in each district. The numbers are percentage of Sikhs.
Yellow are Sikh, Orange are Hindus.
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Panjab religion (Sikh total 57.69%, declined from 59.9% in a decade)
- Tarn Taran; 93.33%
- Moga: 82.24%
- Barnala: 78.54%
- Mansa: 77.75%
- Faridkot: 76.08%
- Fatehgarh Sahib: 71.23%
- Bathinda: 70.89%
- Muktsar: 70.81%
- Amritsar: 68.94%
- Sangrur: 65.10%
- Patiala: 55.91%
- Kapurthala: 55.66%
- Firozpur: 53.76%
- Ludhiana: 53.26%
- Rupnagar: 52.74%
- Mohali: 48.15%
- Gurdaspur: 43.64%
- Hoshiarpur: 33.92%
- Jalandhar: 32.75%
- Nawanshehar: 31.50%
Other religions
- Christians: Gurdaspur+Pathankot (7.68%), Amritsar (2.18%)
- Hinduism: Nawanshehar (65.55%), Jalandhar (63.56%), Hoshiarpur (63.07%)
- Islam: Sangrur (Malerkotla tehsil now district 10.82%), Mohali (2.96%)
Panjab literacy rate: 75.84% (likely grown now)
Most literate region: Doaba
- Hoshiarpur: 84.59%
- Mohali: 83.80%
- Jalandhar: 82.48%
- Ludhiana: 82.20%
- Rupnagar: 82.19%
- Gurdaspur: 79.95%
- Shaheed Bhagat Singh Nagar: 79.78%
- Fatehgarh Sahib: 79.35%
- Kapurthala: 79.07%
- Amritsar: 76.27%
- Patiala: 75.28%
- Moga: 70.68%
- Faridkot: 69.55%
- Firozpur: 68.92%
- Bathinda: 68.28%
- Sangrur: 67.99%
- Barnala: 67.82%
- Tarn Taran: 67.81%
- Muktsar: 65.81%
- Mansa: 61.83%
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Here's an interesting story.
An affluent Sikh Zaildar of Pakistan Panjab had two marriages. His first wife was a Sikh and second wife was a Muslim, children from both marriages had Sikh names (assuming they followed Sikhi). During the partition, the Sikh wife and her Sikh children moved to east Panjab (Hoshiarpur).
The Muslim wife insisted her children from the marriage stay and become Muslims. The three children from the Muslim wife were converted to Islam and their Sikh names were changed. So now half of their family is in India and half in Pakistan.
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Fake Uber driver jailed after sexually assaulting teenage girl in Melbourne
A fake Uber driver who sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl after tricking her into his car has been jailed.Faizan Abdullah, 29, pleaded guilty to sexual assault and possessing child abuse material.Magistrate Donna Bakos described his offending as "brazen" and sentenced him to 15 months behind bars.
In February last year, the security guard spotted a teenage girl waiting for an Uber.The court heard Abdulluh lured the teenage girl into his car by pretending to be her driver then erratically drove her to a dimly lit factory to sexually assault her.The victim's lawyer said Abdullah held his forearm against the teen's chest to hold her against a fence.
Abdullah's victim told the court she struggled through her final year of school because of the assault, withdrawing from friends and family."I still find myself asking 'why?', maybe if I wasn't wearing a dress or if I was careful enough," the young woman said in her victim impact statement."When I see a man in the street with some similarities to this man I feel so scared."Abdullah showed no remorse today and tried to blame the year 12 student for leading him on.Appearing from Marngoneet Correctional Centre via video link, Abdullah sat upright in his chair.When his victim spoke of how the attack had impacted her life, he appeared unfazed.Bakos said a 15-month jail term was appropriate as "members of the public have the right to feel safe".Abdullah could be released from custody in days after already serving 475 days in pre-sentence detention.The Pakistani national now faces deportation and has been placed on the sex offenders register.1 -
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On 6/2/2022 at 2:48 AM, MisterrSingh said:Absolutely disgraceful. There's no apostrophe in "Jatt's in Canada". No need to use it in a possessive sense.
Musically, it's eerily reminiscent of 1997-era Coolio, so they're about 20 years behind current music tastes and styles, which for Indians isn't surprising.
I really wish young Jatts watching this would laugh and tune it out as Canadian-Sikh cringe, and not something to aspire to. I hope so.
I find current Panjabi music cringe, especially pop and rap.
The overuse of autotune, disgusting videos promoting materialism, alcoholism and smoking. The rented cars and random brands makes it even worse.
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Sikh community faces 'existential crisis' in Pakistan
In a brutal incident on May 15 recently, two Sikh traders--Kuljeet and Ranjit Singh- - were murdered on the outskirts of Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province, Asian Lite International reported.According to Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee, there are just 15,000-20,000 Sikhs estimated to be left in Pakistan of which some 500 Sikh households are in Peshawar.Published on May 31, 2022 08:06 PM ISTIslamic outfits have made an unlivable environment for religious minorities in Pakistan through targeted killings, abductions and forced conversions. Attacks on Sikhs have become a regular affair in the country and it has triggered tension among communities. In a brutal incident on May 15 recently, two Sikh traders--Kuljeet and Ranjit Singh- - were murdered on the outskirts of Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province, Asian Lite International reported.This was the 'twelfth' such incident since 2014 when Sikhs were targeted by extremists in KP province alone. Moreover, in September last year, Satnam Singh, a Sikh Unani medicine practitioner was shot down inside his clinic in Peshawar, the report added, citing the local community. The Islamic State Khorasan (IS-K) took the responsibility for the attack.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan also strongly condemned the murders and said in a statement, "This is not the first time that the Sikh community in KP has been targeted and we demand that the KP police identify and arrest the perpetrators promptly."
The Sikh population in Pakistan is in a vulnerable state and has seen a massive decline in the last two decades amid rising cases of forced conversions and targeted attacks by the Islamic outfits because of their unique religious identifications and their population accumulation in unsafe areas of KP.
World Sikh Organization of Canada (WSO) also condemned the Peshawar killings and expressed deep concerns for the safety of Pakistan's Sikh community. In their statement, the WSO stated that Sikhs in Pakistan are "feeling vulnerable and unsafe." Moreover, "they do not know if they will return home safely, if they go out." Most of the Sikhs in KP come from a financially weak background and run small grocery shops or work as Hakeems. Migrating to a safer place is becoming a compulsion for them as Pakistan does not guarantee their security in the region anymore, Asian Lite said.
According to Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee, there are just 15,000-20,000 Sikhs estimated to be left in Pakistan of which some 500 Sikh households are in Peshawar.
In January 2020, a violent mob attacked one of the holiest Sikh shrines, Nankana Sahib Gurudwara, in Punjab province, and the horrific attack terrorized Sikhs across Pakistan because it made them realize that Punjab was not safe anymore. Amid the growing demands of imposing 'Sharia Law' in the country and the constant ascent in atrocities against Sikh minorities has shrunk space for them to survive in Pakistan, growing disenchantment among minority communities in Pakistan, especially among Sikhs, who thought that they could co-exist peacefully along with majority Muslims.
Pakistan is witnessing a new wave of terrorism with several incidents of target killings of Sikh and Shia minorities reported in the Peshawar region in recent years. The previous governments in Pakistan abandoned the execution of the National Action Plan (NAP) which was meant to be put in place to carry out a crackdown on terrorism giving rise to horrific incidents taking place against minorities in the nation.
Religious minorities in Pakistan are often treated as 'second-class' citizens, Asian Lite International reported.
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1 hour ago, Premi5 said:
Not a massive surprise, I guess
What are the Aussies doing to celebrate ?
Separately, I found this which is interesting
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/meet-ajmer-surinder-theyre-marking-7143608
Meet Ajmer and Surinder: They're marking 70 years of marriage during the Queen's Platinum Jubilee
Ajmer, 86, and 84-year-old Surinder say ‘love, support, devotion and dedication’ are the keys to a long marriage
At the tender ages of 16 and 14, Ajmer Singh and Surinder Kaur had no idea that their love would surpass 70 years. Seven decades on, the couple, who live in Evington, Leicester, celebrated their platinum anniversary alongside friends and family at the Sikh temple in East Park Road.Ajmer, 86, and 84-year-old Surinder received a card of congratulations from both Her Majesty the Queen , and the Lord Mayor of Leicester, Councillor George Cole. As the couple celebrated their platinum, they sat down with LeicestershireLive to tell their story and share their secrets to having a long-lasting relationship.
In 1952, Ajmer and Surinder had a traditional Hindu ceremony to consolidate their marriage, despite Ajmer being a Sikh. Ajmer said: “We didn’t even see each other before we got married, back in those days the first time you’d meet your spouse was at the actual wedding.
“We opted for a Hindu ceremony, because my wife came from a Hindu village, but she has adopted the Sikh religion since then. During the ceremony everyone sits around the fire chanting mantras and giving offerings.
“The husband usually leads the way, as the couple has to walk around the fire seven times. Towards the end the wife leads the way.”
The couple were only teenagers when their marriage was arranged, and they had to spend two years apart despite being married, due to the fact that Surinder was only 14. The couple said: “Both marrying young and arranged marriages were very normal at the time so we didn’t think much of it.
“In our culture we don’t ever question our parents or the decisions they made. Ultimately we were more than happy to get married because we knew it was what our parents and culture expected of us.”
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I didn't even know it was the Queen's jubilee until a news website posted about it yesterday. I don't think many Aussies are aware about it either.
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On 6/1/2022 at 9:06 PM, MisterrSingh said:
This needs to be discussed a lot more than it currently is. The large majority of people in the pinds from this generation and earlier (and maybe as "recently" as the 70s) may have identified as Sikhs yet they still carried on with Hindu ceremonies and cultural practices. It was very commonplace yet you wouldn't know or think this if you listen to Sikh parchaar and discourse in Gurdwaras. They give the impression Sikhi has been one long uninterrupted line of adherence beginning from 1469 to today. I would argue it was only with the lehars of the late 70s and 80s where the Sikh identity was magnified for obvious reasons, did this "dipping toes in both waters" begin to recede or at least go underground, although I'd argue in the past ten years our people over there have started to openly revert to Hindu cultural practices once again under the guise of non-descript Punjabi-ism. It's a very interesting conversation.
How long can a religion such as ours (with an obviously floundering birthrate and adherence levels, terrible political leadership, and ignorant and unrelatable religious hierarchy) with a heavily interdependent shared mythology with the original "brand", resist a gradual reabsorption into the main branch? It'll take some doing to resist.
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14 minutes ago, Premi5 said:https://britasia.tv/jaz-dhami-to-perform-at-queens-platinum-jubilee-celebrations/
Jaz Dhami to perform at Queen’s Platinum Jubilee Celebrations
Jaz Dhami set to perform for the queenBritish Asian Punjabi singer Jaz Dhami is set to make history by performing Gal Sun at the official Queens Platinum Jubilee Celebrations on the private grounds at Windsor Castle from 11-15th May. Jaz Dhami will be accompanied by the Tri-service Orchestra and National Symphony Orchestra for his performance.
My sixth sense wasn't wrong!
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I have a feeling there will be some Bhangra routines coming out for this occasion.
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On 5/31/2022 at 2:58 PM, dharamyudh said:
Interesting. The reason why I'm saying around the 70s, is because my Mom was telling me all about when the modern Kurta Pajama first dropped into Panjab. Prior, everyone just wore chadras and those kurtas with shorts.
Yes that was the time when it became popular among the masses. You're correct, pretty much everyone wore a chadara.
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3 hours ago, dharamyudh said:Isn't the Kurta Pajama, specially the Pajama a recent thing introduced to Panjab? Like around the 70s possibly? I know for sure men were wearing chadras
Most men wore a Chadara especially in rural areas but there was a churidaar style Pajama around (though not popular). Sometimes in summers, men in rural areas just wrapped a large white sheet around the top half instead of wearing a Kurta (which was worn in winter). Some men also viewed it as "foolish" to wear a Pajama and the term was used as an insult.
What one wore also depended on their community and region in Panjab.
I think Pajama was introduced way before the 70s, more likely in the 30s or 40s.
Sialkot city in the early 20th century. Some men can be seen wearing a pajama-like garment.
Maharaja Hira Singh of Nabha in 1890s wearing a Churidaar style Pajama. I saw a few photos of men around Amritsar wearing this style too in the early 1900s.
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9 hours ago, S1ngh said:Harmonium is not what our guru sahib jee used. However, i have no quarrel whether to use it to not as long as focus is 100% being devoted to Gurbani.
In Sikh culture, salwar kameez and kurta pajama is also not our culture either. Not many ppl are aware of this.
Back in the days, women of Panjab wore either a Suthan style trouser (which could be loose or tight), a Ghagra or a Tehmat/Dhoti (mainly west Panjab). They wore a Kurti, which was shorter than the modern Kameez and if you go a bit back, some could be seen wearing a Choli too. Suthan style trousers eventually evolved into the modern salwar during the 1900s.
Typical dress of a Panjabi women from Amritsar 1875.
The Suthan looked like this. These photos range from the the 1870s to early 1900s.
The Ghagra was worn over trousers when heading outside, mainly by Sikh and Hindu women.
The Dhoti or Tehmat was mainly worn by Muslim Panjabi women from a certain area of west Panjab as Sikh women preferred a Ghagra.
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Why do these Pak Youtube channels covering Sikh pilgrims make their titles so weird? They have to emphasise theres a "girl" even though men are with them too. They should write pilgrim to be respectful?
Kartarpur Bazar | Indian Sikh Girl Praising Pakistan | Indian Sikh Females in Pakistan | Sikh Yatri
Kartarpur Corridor | Indian Sikh Girl Praising Pakistan with friend at Gurdwara Kartarpur Pakistan
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Royalty
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1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:
It's been going on way before social media, bro. It was pretty bad in the 80s and 90s. Now it's just completely out in the open.
Yes it would've been pretty bad then too. I'm just adding on social media since it's is a big big factor now.
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On 5/27/2022 at 9:08 PM, MisterrSingh said:
I've always found some of the contradictions in most decent working class and middle-class goreh to be mindboggling. Most of them protect and shield their girls with their lives from birth to around the age of 11 (when they start secondary school), but the parents go from micro-managing every aspect of their existence to practically pushing them into situations that lead to their girls doing stuff that girls twice their age should be encouraged to avoid.
It's like they're afraid if they don't nudge their daughters to degeneracy, they'll grow up to be sheltered, fat spinsters. Goreh have completely got the balance wrong, and most of that is attributable to the culture they're exposed to in the media, particularly films and television, that pushes this completely degenerate "rites of passage" bull5hit about kids having to "experiment" with gandh and bukwaas in order to be "rounded" human beings. Complete and utter 5hit. This is one of the crumbling pillars of their society, and I've yet to hear anyone on their side identify it as something that needs to be corrected. Knocking Christianity on the head as a society (even the CofE with all its faults) was a big, big mistake for them.
What they've created are generations of their youth with mental health issues because they're forced to operate in a culture that's contrary to their inner natural state that - unless a kid is born a complete lost cause - is averse to most of what's pushed as "normal" in the Western world. With girls it causes a much deeper and more profound problem because when they've spent their tweens up-to their late teens 5ucking off all and sundry at parties and in park bushes on a night out, they've completely destroyed any opportunity of pair-bonding with an eventual long-term partner. Female mental health is in the drain, but you'll never hear the intellectual elites EVER identifying WHY it's where it is, because to do so would destroy the system they've got in place to f**k up these girls for life. It's a sick game they're lost in, and it saddens me to see secular-minded Sikhs in the West getting caught up in much of the same because we're sheep who can't think for ourselves.
Films and social media "influencer" culture definitely has an impact on how goreh or westerners in general act when they approach a certain age. The industry has influenced young females into dressing twice their age to be accepted in society as "normal".
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38 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:
I've always found some of the contradictions in most decent working class and middle-class goreh to be mindboggling. Most of them protect and shield their girls with their lives from birth to around the age of 11 (when they start secondary school), but the parents go from micro-managing every aspect of their existence to practically pushing them into situations that lead to their girls doing stuff that girls twice their age should be encouraged to avoid.
It's like they're afraid if they don't nudge their daughters to degeneracy, they'll grow up to be sheltered, fat spinsters. Goreh have completely got the balance wrong, and most of that is attributable to the culture they're exposed to in the media, particularly films and television, that pushes this completely degenerate "rites of passage" bull5hit about kids having to "experiment" with gandh and bukwaas in order to be "rounded" human beings. Complete and utter 5hit. This is one of the crumbling pillars of their society, and I've yet to hear anyone on their side identify it as something that needs to be corrected. Knocking Christianity on the head as a society (even the CofE with all its faults) was a big, big mistake for them.
What they've created are generations of their youth with mental health issues because they're forced to operate in a culture that's contrary to their inner natural state that - unless a kid is born a complete lost cause - is averse to most of what's pushed as "normal" in the Western world. With girls it causes a much deeper and more profound problem because when they've spent their tweens up-to their late teens 5ucking off all and sundry at parties and in park bushes on a night out, they've completely destroyed any opportunity of pair-bonding with an eventual long-term partner. Female mental health is in the drain, but you'll never hear the intellectual elites EVER identifying WHY it's where it is, because to do so would destroy the system they've got in place to f**k up these girls for life. It's a sick game they're lost in, and it saddens me to see secular-minded Sikhs in the West getting caught up in much of the same because we're sheep who can't think for ourselves.
Sad to see Sikhs getting caught up in this behaviour. I know some secular minded Sikhs who think having anakh is unprogressive and deny the Sikh perspective on family-life just because it doesn't align with what society has normalised now.
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A Crazy Story From Partition
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I've read about other Kapurthala kings becoming Christians too but that's debated.
Raja Sir Harnam Singh Ahluwalia , KCIE (15 November 1851 – 20 May 1930) was a member of the Kapurthala royal family in the direct line founded by Jassa Singh Ahluwalia.
A converted Christian, he was the first president of the All India Conference of Indian Christians, which played an important role in the Indian independence movement, advocating for self-rule and opposing the partition of India.