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Okey this is very demoralizing! I used to look up to this guy and it seems he's given into Kaam!

The more I find out the more annoying and I know alot of other youths used to look up to him aswell, he's kind of a celebrity. Very Annoying...and shocked.

So many people let you down! Just trust Guru Ji...everybody else is too weak!

Well basically I have just found out that a Singh...I dunno how religious he is but from the outside looks very Chardi kala (people have said Amritdhari) is checking a not so very Gursikh lady and they are actually engaged to each other. Is there anything wrong with this? Can a Gurmukh marry someone who is not on the same level of Sikhi?

Discuss!... Just wanted to know if this is acceptable!?

I been addicted to loads of things

1) PS2, Sega, Nitendo games mainly football. Fifa 2006 a big one.

2) TV...Sci Fi programmes.

3) Listerning to popular Music.

4) Empire Earth...(Computer games...thankfully not Sims)

5) Sikhi related things....spend days just reading about Sikhism.

6) Mushrooms; cant get enough of them and potato wedges!

7) Myspace

8) SS.

9) Also thinking aswell about all sorts...I even get headaches, My friends say I over complicate thngs with my thinking but I cant help reading into things and examing everything.

These addictions have never gone away I just control them better so they dont consume me like they have done in the past.

Hai Hai! I think I just had a heart attack! Bachara... Elmo's song just got ruined.

Good Good!!! Missing out Brunel would have been a Tragedy. :TH:

Wi-Fi minutes where? With who? T-mobile? Is it for ure laptop?

Basically, T-Mobile and Vodafone in particular have introduced wi-fi hotspots at places such as airports, cafes, even park benches so people can use the internet at these designated spaces - normally for a small fee based on how long u want to go online for. I assume that in this case, theyve given u free access at these hot spots for a certain amount of time...

I got these free minutes with a BT package! I got 500 minutes. How can I find out where these hotspots are? They are for my Laptop.

Apparently I have access to free Wi-Fi minutes! What are they? How can I use them? Are they of any use?

Thanx for help.

No Gurdwara is Uxbridge and when its busy it takes atleast 40 mins on the bus to get to Southall, which would be the annoying bit about it. One hour via Car.

Uxbridge town centre can get rowdy at past 10.30pm. No local Sabji shops...

You have to trek down Southall any time you want Masala etc etc! Well annoying. Really bad pollution, but thats London for you, Planes fly over often to go heathrow and then the RAF is based in Uxbridge aswell so expect Air Traffic. About 2am the clubs shut so expect to hear drunken students making thier way home, also they have alot of gas leaks in the area...walking up and down the roads you can smell it.

And Uxbridge College Students look like a Flipant bunch! Though dont judge a book by its cover.

So Yerr its a nice area. If I were you I would go Leicester, best City in the world :TH:

Yeah! I remember walking by aswell though when we asked they said it was a suspect bagage or something and when I looked on the platform police were talking to someone that looked in distress.

I sooo understand you! Most of the racist abuse I have got is from people who call themselves "sikhs", In the past I just ignored them and just felt miserable cos I was the only guy with kesh in my School for a long time.

However If anyone says anything racist like that to me even if there are hundred of them, you have to give a fitting reply, find that inner strength!

I would have said "Your a Behtzi to Sikhi!!!, Why dont you become a Muslim!" with a smile.

I am not being derograty to Muslims, but they would take it offensively and then walked away, Though I dont think people take me on much these days cos my dhari apparently makes me look dangerous :T:

I hate the fact that kids from a sikh background are now attacking sikhs! Well annoying!

Though I have just read what Buddhasingh has written, he makes more sense! Try that approach!

I am soooo in the same situation as you! Everyday a new Jatha/Cult/Sect of Sikhism pops out of Nowhere, I always thought we were united. Evidently Not!

You colud even argue that Jatha are kinda becoming like a caste system, they argue amongst themselves and think they are better. Hopefully the next generation wont have this as I am hoping we dont have caste system.

Excuse the simple questions but what is a Rainsbhaee Keertan exactly? And do you have to be part of this Jatha to go?

Can someone give me the road names or area names for good desi areas in Leciester.

Also, are there any good Sikhi bookshops there?

We are travelling down from Manchester for a visit and want to find desi areas/shops and Gudware.

many thanks

Raj

Try East Park Road; its in Evington. It has Desi Shops and the Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Gurdwara is there, which contains a shop selling Sikhi related books plus there is the Mata Gujri Ji Libary inside.

Then there is Guru Nanak Dev Ji Gurdwara which is in the City Centre but no Desi shops round there though I hear they have a really good museum.

Though Belgrave Road round would have the best Desi Shops, Not catered for sikh community though; but if you wanna buy some Gold head down there :TH:

Though I agree with Kaur91 there arent really any bookshops in leicester for Sikhs or even Asians.

Hope that helped.

From what I have read and understood I know that Sikh principles are agaisnt the Caste system; however how come all the Gurus were from one particular caste and how come they only married people from thier own Caste. This was one criticism used by Mcleod (I am sure you gives have heard of him) that I couldnt really explain.

This is an article I found and seems logical and commense:

The wrong impression that the Guru had more than one wife was created by those writers who were ignorant of Punjabi culture. Later authors accepted those writings indicating more than one marriage of the Guru and presented it as a royal act. During those days kings, chiefs, and other important people usually had more than one wife as a symbol of their being great and superior to the common man. Guru Gobind Singh, being a true king, was justified in their eyes to have had more than one wife. This is actually incorrect.

In Punjab, there are two and sometimes three big functions connected with marriage, i.e., engagement, wedding, and Muklawa. Big gatherings and singings are held at all these three functions. In many cases, the engagement was held as soon as the person had passed the infant

stage. Even today engagements at 8 to 12 years of age are not uncommon in some interior parts

of India. The wedding is performed a couple of years after the engagement. After the wedding, it

takes another couple of years for the bride to move in with her in laws and live there. This is called Muklawa. A dowry and other gifts to the bride are usually given at this time of this ceremony to help her to establish a new home. Now, the wedding and Muklawa are performed

on the same day and only when the partners are adults.

A big befitting function and other joyful activities were held at Anand Pur, according to custom, at the time of the engagement of the Guru. The bride, Mata Jeeto Ji, resided at Lahore, which was the capital of the Mughal rulers who were not on good terms with the Gurus. When the time for the marriage ceremony came, it was not considered desirable for the Guru to go to Lahore, along with the armed Sikhs in large numbers. Furthermore, it would involve a lot of traveling and huge expenses, in addition to the inconvenience to the Sangat, younger and old, who wished to witness the marriage of the Guru. Therefore, as mentioned in the Sikh chronicles, Lahore was ‘brought’ to Anand Pur Sahib for the marriage instead of the Guru going to Lahore. A scenic place a couple of miles to the north of Anand Pur was developed into a nice camp for the marriage. This place was named Guru Ka Lahore. Today, people are going to Anand Pur visit this place as well. The bride was brought to this place by her parents and the marriage was

celebrated with a very huge gathering attending the ceremony.

The two elaborate functions, one at the time of engagement and the other at the time of the marriage of the Guru, gave the outside observers the impression of two marriages. They had reason to assume this because a second name was also there, i.e., Mata Sundari Ji. After the marriage, there is a custom in the Panjab of giving a new affectionate name to the bride by her inlaws. Mata Jeeto Ji, because of her fine features and good looks, was named Sundari (beautiful) by the Guru’s mother. The two names and two functions gave a basis for outsiders to believe that the Guru had two wives. In fact, the Guru had one wife with two names as explained above.

Some historians even say that Guru Gobind Singh had a third wife, Mata Sahib Kaur. In

1699, the Guru asked her to put patasas (puffed sugar) in the water for preparing Amrit when he

founded the Khalsa Panth. Whereas Guru Gobind Singh is recognized as the spiritual father of

the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Kaur is recognized as the spiritual mother of the Khalsa.

People not conversant with the Amrit ceremony mistakenly assume that Mata Sahib Kaur was the wife of Guru Gobind Singh. As Guru Gobind Singh is the spiritual but not the biological father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Devan is the spiritual mother of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Devan is the spiritual mother of the Khalsa but not the wife of Guru Gobind Singh.

From ignorance of Punjabi culture and the Amrit ceremony, some writers mistook these three names of the women in the life of Guru Gobind Singh as the names of his three wives. Another reason for this misunderstanding is that the parents of Mata Sahib Devan, as some Sikh chronicles have mentioned, had decided to marry her to Guru Gobind Singh. When the proposal

was brought for discussion to Anandpur, the Guru had already been married. Therefore, the

Guru said that he could not have another wife since he was already married. The dilemma before

the parents of the girl was that, the proposal having become public, no Sikh would be willing to

marry her. The Guru agreed for her to stay at Anand Pur but without accepting her as his wife.

The question arose, as most women desire to have children, how could she have one without

being married. The Guru told, “She will be the “mother” of a great son who will live forever and be known all over the world.” The people understood the hidden meaning of his statement only after the Guru associated Mata Sahib Devan with preparing Amrit by bringing patasas. It is, therefore, out of ignorance that some writers consider Mata Sahib Devan as the worldly wife of Guru Gobind Singh.

That explains it! But how come Guru Hargobind Ji had 3 wives that produced children; In that case was it one woman with three names?

I just wanted to ask how come the Guru Gobind Singh Ji had 2 wives he had Children with and Guru Hargobind ji had 3 wives he had Children with?

Do sikhs support the concept of having Multiple Wives.

I know this topic probably has been discussed before but I cant find it.

Forgive me If I have offended.

Paneer is my favorite Sabji! So I wanted to ask the Sangat the best method to cook it. Give me your recipes for:

Mince Paneer with peas/carrots

Paneer Blocks with peas etc.

Do I just do the Thurka (sp?) and throw it in?

Just wanted to ask if other people are unable to access the BOSS website or is it just me?

This might be a stupid question butttt, does anyone have problems keeping their distaar on their heads whilst riding a roller coaster? My worst fear is that it will fly off!!!

It used to happen when I tied a Patka and that used to be tighter than my Distaar, though I always used to hang on! However it might be more difficult with a Distaar.

Can peeps who didnt go Boss camp go to the Alton Towers trip? Or is it an exclusive thing?

:wub: Yay!!! Its today...and I'm not grounded!

I was watching Channel Punjab yesterday and they made Shimla Mircha filled with Alooo and spices....I made it today and it was sooo good! but cos I was experimenting I only made 3 so I ate them all!

Also I like Bhindiya, Aloo Gobi, Paneer is the BOMB!

Somosa the BOMB!

And Rasmouli, Galab Jamun.

Though whenever I make Paneer it goes wrong working progress on that.

Personally seeing Tigerstyle in a club inspired me to find out about Sikhi more and they sort of kept me in check in a club once... I remember early on in my life someone offered me a drink and I was tempted but I remember one of them shock their head at me which kind of made me think about what I was doing. Its good to see someone with a Distaar in a club. Before then I was under the assumption that all Religous Sikhs never knew how to have fun and thought that all types of Bhangra Music was the Devils creation.

Why cant an AmritDhari go into a club? The way Sikhi is going Amritdhari's who work with people who drink and smoke will be frowned upon!!! Where has this new found attitude of segregation come from? We are not Hermits who cant even socialise with people wether it be in a bar or club? Yes, we gain nothing spritually from going into a club but we gain strength to not be tempted by intoxicants etc, If you think you are too weak to go into a club situation and avoid these things then dont go; but I personally am confident in my identity and faith and do not fear going into that kind of setting.

If current trends continue, Amritdharis will only be mingling with other Amritdharis. Isnt that being elitist? Sometimes you guys use the word Manmukhs in the same context Muslims use Kaffir. Some places where non- Amritdharis hang out isnt that bad.

Sorry If I offended.

WaheGuru Je Ka Khalsa WaheGuru Je Ke Fateh.

I just wanted to Inquire how black sikhs (and I know there are some) cope with combing their Afro-Carribean Kesh. I have a Friend who has only grown his hair to his shoulders and it gets to tangles really easy...getting a Kangha through it would be impossible.

He argues that it would be impractical for a black person to become Sikh because they would spend so much time "taming my hair".

So I just wanted to know is it possible/practical for a black person to grow Kesh and keep it in check without chemicals (some of my black friends have resorted to that...for fashion reasons though)!

Are there any Black Sikhs on this forum? and is it easy?

WaheGuru Je Ka Khalsa WaheGuru Je Ke Fateh.

JAPAN

JAMAICA

...lol... jokes.

by the way are there any sikhs there????? I've never heard of Sikhi in those areas, would be really nice if sikhi entered there :wub:

I know there are Sikhs in Japan, Some of the Forum members are from there.