killah

hmmm thats sad news but I think we should think about previous cases where Sikh youths from different countries made up these stories because of personal circumstances and wanted to cut kesh but had no other way of doing it.

Lets see what comes of this case.. and hope for the boys sake its not another case of self-inflicted wound.

one of the websites muslims made trying attack Sikhism and comes from this site http://www.ar-raya.org.uk/

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lol i dunno why muslims keep trying to get Sikhs to convert even though their faith is probably the most corrupt, devious, barbaric and evil minded 2nd next only to satanism. It's about time we made some sites of our own counter attack Islam on various points. I've started work on mine if you need any help with urs let me know

I shall be targetting muslims to convert and in particularly for their girls to get a lil bit of re-education :D

Had it not been for the British arrival in the Indian subcontinent I believe the Khalsa Raj would have stretched far into afghanistan and possibily into persia. The afghans/pathans had long conducted raids into Indian kingdoms looting inhabitants of their richs and women. It is only the Sikhs who stood upto them and gave them a taste of the blade during maharajh singhs era that eventually pathans and other afghan tribes were subdued who had to defend afghan land rather than advance onto others. Sikhs captured peshawar, attock and many other afghan lands that today do not feature in the map of afghanistan but pakistan because of this. The British/western historians are very quick to turn a blind eye to the success of Khalsa armies in that region because of their own losses at the hands of the afghans. Many afghans also embraced Sikhism also during Sikh rule. A few muslim historians even who witnessed Sikhs fighting in the battlefield could not help but be impressed such as Qazi Nur Muhammed.

It is from the Jang Namah alone that we learn that the Sikhs under the Bhangis had crossed the Indus and had extended their conquest as far as Multan and Deras by the middle of 1764 in a few months after the conquest of Sirhind. Moreover, Jang Namah is the only detailed account, known to us, of the seventh invasion of Punjab by Ahmed Shah Durrani.

So far as the Sikhs are concerned Jang Namah is an invaluable source of information. It visualises Sikhism and Sikh society as a separate entity, different from Hinduism.

The conviction of Nur Muhammed was fully shared by his mentors, and perhaps, this was the reason that Ahmed Shah Abdali's anger was directed against Darbar Sahib which was the chief source of inspiration to the Sikhs.

The Sikhs offered resistance to Ahmed Shah Abdali in the manner that evoked praise even in the hearts of their detractors. Nur Muhammed inspite of his sympathy for his comrades-in-faith and hatred for the Sikhs could not help describing their excellent conduct, their experience in battlefield, their liberality and their valour, intrepedity, agility and grand physical appearance. This he did most probably to impress upon the soldiers of the invading armies that Sikhs were strong enough to withstand their onslaught because in moral conduct they were excellent and none surpassed them.

In his account, he dwells on the qualities of the Sikhs about which every Sikh should feel proud. We present a liberal translation of Qazi Nur Muhammed's narration which elucidates their (Sikhs) high conduct, their mode of fighting, their faith and courage, etc:

"Do not call the dogs (the Sikhs) dogs, because they are lions (and) are courageous like lions in the battlefield. How can a hero, who roars like a lion be called a dog? (Moreover) like lions they spread terror in the field of battle. If you wish to learn the art of war, come face to face with them in the battlefield. They will demonstrate it (art of war) to you in such a way that one and all will shower praise on them. If you wish to learn the science of war, O swordsman, learn from them. They advance at the enemy boldly and come back safely after action. Understand, Singh is their title, a form of address for them. It is not justice to call them dogs; if you do not know Hindustani language, then understand that the word 'Singh' means a lion.

"Truly, they are lion in battle, and at times of peace, they surpass "Hatim" (in generosity). When they take the Indian sword in their hands they traverse the country from Hind to Sind. None can stand against them in battle, howsoever strong he may be. When they handle the spear, they shatter the ranks of the enemy. When they raise the heads of their spears towards the sky, they would pierce even through the Caucasus (in the process). When the adjust the strings of the bows, place in them the enemy killing arrows (and) pull the strings to their ears, the body of the enemy begins to shiver with fear. When their battle axes fall upon the armour of their opponents, their armour becomes their coffin.

"The body of every one of them is like a piece of rock and in physical grandeur everyone of them is more than fifty men. It is said that Behram Gore killed wild asses and lions. But if he were to come face to face with them even he would bow before them (Singhs). Besides usual arms, they take their guns in hand (and) come into the field of action jumping (and) roaring like lions and raise slogans. They tear asunder the chests of many and shed blood of several (of their enemy) in the dust. You say that musket is a weapon of ancient times, it appears to be a creation of these dogs rather than Socrates. Who else than these (dogs) can be adept in the use of muskets. They do not bother (even if) there are innumerable muskets. To the right and the left, in front and towards the back, they go on operating hundreds of muskets angrily and regularly.

"If you do not believe in what I say, you may enquire of the brave swordsmen who would tell you more than myself and would praise them for their fighting. This bears witness to (my statement) that they faced thirty thousand heroes in the battlefield. If their armies take to flight, it is a war tactics of theirs. They resort to this deception in order to make the angry army grow bold and run in their pursuit. When they find them separated from the main body and away from help and reinforcement, they at once turn back and fight more ferociously (literal translation - they set fire even to water).

"Did you not see that while fighting the Pathans, they took to flight which was deceptive. A world famous wrestler wielding high esteem and respect alighted from his horse and showed his great style as if he were Tuhmatan ( a great warrior of Iran). O valiant fighter, do justice to their (act of ) war. One of their armies invaded Multan and put the city to plunder and devastation and killed many of its inhabitants and carried away an immense booty. I am not sufficiently strong in mind to express what the dogs did there. But as God willed it, each of us has to submit to His Will.

"Besides their fighting, listen to one more thing in which they excell all other warriors. They never kill a coward who is running away from the battlefield. They do not rob a woman of her wealth or ornaments whether she is rich or a servant ("Kaneez"). There is no adultry among these dogs, nor are they mischieveous people. A woman, whether young or old, they call a "Burhi". The word Burhi, means in Indian language, an old lady. There is no thief amongst these dogs, nor is there amongst them any mean people. They do not keep company with adulters and house thiefs though all their acts may not be commendable.

"If you are not acquainted with their religion, I tell you that the Sikhs are the disciples of the Guru - that glorious Guru lived at Chak (Amritsar). The ways and manners of these people were laid down by Nanak who showed these Sikhs a separate path. He was succeeded by Guru Gobind Singh from whom they received the title of Singh. They are not part of the Hindus, who have a separate religion of their own.

"Now that you have familiarised yourself with the behaviour of the Sikhs, you may also know something about their country. They have divided the Punjab amongst themselves and have bestowed it upon every young and old."

There should be more information on the site on the benefits of using it, like for example their should be a frequently asked questions page, a privacy policy, contact page, etc. Otherwise it looks good but seems a bit dodgy to be honest in regards to personal data being kept on there.

Heres what I find out about the transmitters.

Name of Operator: Vodafone

Operator Site Ref: 33294

Station Type: Macrocell

Height of Antenna: 15.94 Metres

Frequency Range: 900 MHz

Transmitter Power: 24.15 dBW

Maximum licensed power: 32 dBW

Type of Transmission: GSM

Name of Operator: Vodafone

Operator Site Ref: 33294

Station Type: Macrocell

Height of Antenna: 15.94 Metres

Frequency Range: 2100 MHz

Transmitter Power: 26.482 dBW

Maximum licensed power: 32 dBW

Type of Transmission: UMTS

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Name of Operator: O2

Operator Site Ref: 10534

Station Type: Macrocell

Height of Antenna: 14 Metres

Frequency Range: 900 MHz

Transmitter Power: 23 dBW

Maximum licensed power: 32 dBW

Type of Transmission: GSM

Name of Operator: O2

Operator Site Ref: 10534

Station Type: Macrocell

Height of Antenna: 14 Metres

Frequency Range: 1800 MHz

Transmitter Power: 26.5 dBW

Maximum licensed power: 32 dBW

Type of Transmission: GSM

Name of Operator: O2

Operator Site Ref: 10534

Station Type: Macrocell

Height of Antenna: 14 Metres

Frequency Range: 2100 MHz

Transmitter Power: 28.24 dBW

Maximum licensed power: 32 dBW

Type of Transmission: UMTS

My advice would be to boycott the gurdwara until those masts are taken down, I wouldnt risk my health going there how ironic it is when the gurdwara actually should be a place for sanctuary and safety for the community.

Those so called women converts to islam on those websites from sikh background are made up, remember the muslims will use deception to trick and give the perception that alot of people are converting to islam when reality is more educated freedom loving muslims are leaving islam in their droves but do not "come out" for the fact that apostating from Islam would be punishable by death. If you analyse what these so called "reverts" say it always contradictory towards Sikhism showing they do not have knowledge of Sikhism even the average punjabi girl who isnt into religion knows the fundamentals, which these so called "reverts" dont know. The muslims often boast that Islam is fastest growing religion in the world, yeah maybe in birth rate terms but in no way in the number of converts, who are very few in number. If you breed like rats you will have a rat like population lol.

When you read about stories about so called sikh converts on islamic sites think of this word "al Taqqiyaa". Thats all you need to know :D

Wasnt there a election or something a few months ago where the youth where urged to stand as candidates and one of the issues raised was the phone masts. So who won the elections and what have they done about the issues at hand?

If they havent or will not do anything then people from that area need to organise protests and a boycott so these fools in commitees are shamed into taking action or getting out if they dont want to help the community.

Mexican/Hispanic/Latino Sikhs

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050515/spectrum/main1.htm

FATEH!!

Here are a few pics of the Gurudwara in Mexico.

GURU RAKHA!!!

Thanks for sharing

Fateh Ji

Mexican/Hispanic/Latino Sikhs

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050515/spectrum/main1.htm

people need to calm down

WAHEGURU

WAHEGURU

WAHEGURU

I second that,

WAHEGURU

WAHEGURU

WAHEGURU

And the brothers who are using profanity in debates with other religions, kindly stop cos it makes you look uneducated no matter how good your arguements/points maybe. If the muslim has come to debate, lets give him a debate, not abuse him.

Thanks :D

Mohammed's promise of an Islamic Paradise that glittered with the fulfillment of all sorts of wordly desires and sense enjoyment was nothing but a sinister ploy to recruit those who had no hope or expectation of ever getting these things in their present lives. Knowing that they are assured of such a Paradise simply because they follow Islam, Muslims can go around committing murder, rape plunder and loot. It is the picture of this paradise that has motivated Muslims over the centuries to cut down people of other religions, to desecrate their places of worship and mistreat them in the name of Allah. Even after death, the spritually deprived Prophet of Islam could not see beyond wine, women and food, leave alone exploring spiritual heights of the soul.

UR GREEDY CULT SUX......AND SO DOES THE PROPHET OF HATRED, PAEDOPHILIA,GREED,LUST........the list in endless

Well said... that pretty much sums up Islam. When I think of "prophet" muhammad he reminds me of ghengis Khan of mongalia (a conquesting greedy babarian). But I do give muhammad some credit, for had it not been for some of his actions and supposed utterances maybe we would not have had Sikhism today. Just like without christianity and judaism and arab paganism, Islam would not have evolved.

Bottom line is Islam as a credible ideology has long past it sell by date, its cleary not fit for modern world which is full of people keen on progressing in scienctific thought and real spirituality away from lustful false promises like bait to lure ones soul to the underworld.

From my understanding when guru sahib talks about hell, angels of death (azarael),etc he is talking metaphorically because at the time the gurus, saints and fakirs were addressing muslims and hindus so the terminology is used to talk to them so that they understand the consequences of their actions in their ideological language.

The Sikh position on hell and heaven is all intermixed with the cycle of birth and death. Our hell is what happens in our lives prior this one or next one coming. Or our heaven can be our next stage of the soul if we progress. Law of karma is also involved..

Some people ask what happens to the souls and reincarnation if this planet is destoryed and all life along with it, from what I've read theres millions of galaxies, stars, planets,etc as Guru nanak ji stated so if this planet wont hold life who says other planetary systems wont?

There is a theory that humans will be virtually hairless due to global warming and climate change which does make sense.

Evolution is a slow process. It doesn't happen over a day for humans. Provide the name and some evidence of the theory. I hardly think this will ever be the case since global warming will not be increasing at the same rate it has in the past simply because we are coming up with alternatives to oil and carbon emission. Even then, the idea that global warming will cause humans to lose a part of the body seems unlikely. Hair are alive and absorb solar energy. the body will have to come up with something else to perform the same task in case hair are lost.

And when the next ice age will take effect the hair will be required by mammals and therefore humans will adopt and evolve accordingly.

If global warming keeps increasing then there will not be another ice age.

Which brings up an interesting question. What would be the Sikh/Khalsa view on the requirement to keep hair if humans one day are not blessed with it.

The requirement is to keep hair uncut/unshorn i.e. not to distort the body or alter the way Waheguru has created us. In such a rare case of losing hair it will be perfectly acceptable way of life in Sikhi since we will not be altering our bodies.

or lets say those with genetic/medial conditions means they do not have the ablity to have hair, does it make them not a Sikh? or lesser Sikh? or what?

Sikhi is a way of life not a rule book of "yes" and "no". Any moral principle cannot simply be "yes" or "no". There are always exceptions. In Sikhi, action and intent both count. If your intentions are not to cut your hair but have to due to medical reasons then I see nothing wrong with it. Medical surgery is not an excuse to committ bajjar kurehat. Your action and intent both are to get yourself treated properly. It comes down to your personal decision. Every case is different. I would see nothing wrong with minor surgery but when life is at stake then I wouldn't go for it. Sikhi is very open and practical way of life. But after treatment one must do pesh and get sudhayee. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

thanks for clearing that up, as for the theory about humans becoming hairless in the future. I heard it on some radio show where a scientist was explaining how evolution due to global warming would phyiscally impact the human body, it wont happen overnight but take years possibly many decades. I will try and find out more info for you. As for no ice age happening thats not true from what I've read. Immediately after global warming has reached its peak, it followed up by a cooling effect leading to the next ice age, that has always been the case for this planet. We are living in a period between ice ages which last for 10,000 years at least.

Pritam singh Khalsa ur hte pro liar, muslims never lie, esp the religious ones!

Hey killah coem on to jattworld and u wil see the love of siksh and muslims.

I know u, dont be fooled peope , Killah is really an RSS agent trying to cause trouble between muslims and sikhs.

If my jatt sikh bro's come here they will destroy you, we muslims protect you sikhs from Hindus esp in 1984, wen they whipped u, and this is wot we get??

I love sikhs , i hope i havent offended any1

To H4rpal, Mohammed was th4e great prophet, and even ur guru nanak went and paid respec to mohammed and prayed to allah at mecca, so please my sikh bro, dont berate him.

I myself am married to a sikh girl and i let her respect both, adn she understnad this so dont misunderstand me.

Protect ur girls from Hindus who are trying to convert them, as they hate sikhs, adn attack them in the UK and USA

Me an RSS agent? daam thats the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Listen bro im gonna give you a choice either embrace Sikhism or let me enlighten you about your Islam so much so that you will cry and beg for me to stop. Then you will try to use al Taqqiyaa, God only knows how many non-mulims you probably have used it on in order for you to stop them investigating your Islam ideology properly and duped into it.

Jattworld.com needs to be destoryed as does rajputsikhs.com as does ramghariasikhs.com etc etc. In Sikhism we do note care for caste if we are true Sikhs. You can get all lovely dovely with your "jatt brothers" but when push comes to shove and our ideologies clash you will cast aside your jattness and join your brothers in Islam to fight non-muslims. Its always been that way, history is testimont to that.

By the way I have a muslim fiancee or should I say ex-muslim she has long rejected Islam being the educated young woman that she is and now firmly believes in the Sikh take on things. So do yourself a favor and learn about Sikhism and embrace the truth faith of God. If you want a 1 to 1 debate im all up for it pop your msn add in pm and lets roll.

From what I read of dasam Granth it invokes a lot of emotive feelings and tells alot about the writer, it is clearly not wholely written by Guru Sahib but most probably by hindu converts to Sikhism who still held strong views about idol worshipping, women and doing to muslims what they had done to them. I suspect it was corrrupted immediately after the death of Guru Gobind Singh ji during the era of Banda Singh Bahadur who massed alot of destruction (such as the sacking of the town of sirhind) and targetting other enemies/persecutors of Sikhs of the time. Those verses would have attracted many hindus to the cause of fighting who already had an eminity with the muslim oppressors. I've seen a very old battle flag standard of a battlion of the of Khalsa army which had a hindu goddess (probably durga) printed in the middle of it.

Im sure you read a few times how muslims use deception eg islam=peace when it really means submission to the ideology of muhammad Or when they say jihad means struggle within yourself when it actually means holy war against the kafir (non-believer). These are just 2 examples from the top of my head that they decieve to create a false image making out Islam is better than all other religions when in fact when you look into hadiths and the quran and you get the sense of what it really means the muslim will always lie to you to save face even when the truth has slapped them few times around the face they still will defend falsehood.

In Arabic the translation would be "hypocrisy in the pursuit of a greater purpose." And this word "al Taqqiyaa" basically gives them religious authorisation to tell lies even if it contradicts what is stated in quran n hadiths.

its a THEORY thts all thst widely accpted in science but i always think what are we going 2 evolve in 2 next?????????? any thoughts or is this where the process ends with our brain being the most complex fing in da universe

There is a theory that humans will be virtually hairless due to global warming and climate change which does make sense. And when the next ice age will take effect the hair will be required by mammals and therefore humans will adopt and evolve accordingly.

Which brings up an interesting question. What would be the Sikh/Khalsa view on the requirement to keep hair if humans one day are not blessed with it. or lets say those with genetic/medial conditions means they do not have the ablity to have hair, does it make them not a Sikh? or lesser Sikh? or what?

"sochai soch n hovee jae sochee lakh vaar ||" JapJi

"kathh kathh kathhee kottee kott kott ||" JapJi

"dhharathee hor parai hor hor ||" JapJi

"jeea jaath rangaa kae naav || sabhanaa likhiaa vurree kalaam || eaehu laekhaa likh jaanai koe || laekhaa likhiaa kaethaa hoe ||" JapJi

"keethaa pasaao eaeko kavaao ||You created the vast expanse of the Universe with One Word!

this thae hoeae lakh dhareeaao || Hundreds of thousands of rivers began to flow." JapJi

Parnaam Shaheeda Nu

Fateh!

There is no excuse to wear veil for a muslim woman in the UK or any western country. It is not a religious requirement its a cultural practise. The hijab or other head and breast covering is required for them NOT the veil.

But as a free society everyone is allowed to dress how they want but in current climate where muslims are seen as the enemy within they are further aggrovating the situation by totally seperating themselves from mainstream society. It's fine to wear your religious garbs n that but when you actually wear a face mask or want your woman to wear it cos some next man is perving on her while he is allowed to perv/look at other usually western women. Then it creates barriers and misgivings about the intentions of these people.

I was debating with another brain washed muslim and he said this "but in Quran in al Taqqiyaa it is allowed for us to lie to non muslims to show them the goodness of islam"

I've never heard of this term before and I was interested so I rearched what it was all about. And this is what I found.

The word "al-Taqiyya" means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and strategies at a time of eminent danger to save oneself from physical or mental injury." A one-word translation would be"Dissimulation." In Arabic the translation would be "hypocrisy in the pursuit of a greater purpose."

So all those claims that muslims will lie to get you to convert to islam and is permissble in islam was true!!!!!

I was debating with another brain washed muslim and he said this "but in Quran in al Taqqiyaa it is allowed for us to lie to non muslims to show them the goodness of islam"

I've never heard of this term before and I was interested so I rearched what it was all about. And this is what I found.

The word "al-Taqiyya" means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and strategies at a time of eminent danger to save oneself from physical or mental injury." A one-word translation would be"Dissimulation." In Arabic the translation would be "hypocrisy in the pursuit of a greater purpose."

So all those claims that muslims will lie to get you to convert to islam and is permissble in islam was true!!!!!

My understanding of the merging stage is like a tiny spirit merging into bigger powerful soul where you are literally free because in essence you are now part of the supreme conscience being, the almighty creator. You have finally arrived home and achieved eternal bliss/peace. No false devious promises of rivers of wine, 72 virgins for sexual orgies, false images of God sitting on a throne chillaxing with his prophets, etc.

Im gonna get me one and wear it at the annual June protest next year :D hmm not a bad pic either i could use that a msn display pic