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the list is stupid.

how can it include gajinder singh a mere hijacker, but not include wadwaha singh babbar?

indian gov stupid.

unless the 20 list is the same as the one from 2001 which did include babbar.

tubelight - you are right, he should stand up and speak of human rights openly - BUT HE HASNT.

im not sure he even has spoke about gujrat riots let alone sikh riots.

what type of decent policitian is he?

shouldnt more gurdwaras being feeding homeless (even if they drink or take drugs) etc with langar - mobile soup kitchen styleee?

instead of serving up already fat men who come to gurdwara to socialise?

any views?

the point is that, as a sikh, he can goto any guru ghar he likes BUT as a sikh, in a position of power and influence on a world stage, he should STAND UP for sikh rights OPENLY.

in that respect, i havent seen him do or say anything which is PRO SIKH RIGHTS. in essence he is the same as Manmohan Singh, a SILENT PUPPET of the bahmans.

very perceptive post. i myself have thought about this daily for the last 8 years but sadly have not done anything about it.

we should investigate how you can put books into a public library in the uk us canada etc and donate as many 1984 books as possible.

gurdwaras should do this if they had any sense at all.

these people are a disgrace. badal has no pride.

spaminder i sense that you are trying to ridicule some sikhs attempts at achieving something. if that is your intention then you should be ashamed of yourself.

tribuneindia

the article above forgets to mention that the SGPC honours them each year. this year no different. they cannot play down the fact that the SGPC honours them too.

Amritsar, October 31

Even as the Congress party organised a Sankalp Diwas function to commemorate the martyrdom anniversary of former Prime Minister of India Indira Gandhi, the head priest of the Golden Temple, Giani Dharam Singh, paid rich tributes to her assassins here today.

Addressing a large gathering at the bhog of Beant Singh, one of the killers of the former Prime Minister, in the Golden Temple complex, the head priest said history was a witness that those who had dared to attack the Golden Temple would meet a similar fate. He said Sikhs were always ready to make supreme sacrifices to save the honour of the Panth. He said the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) had organised the ceremony to recall the sacrifices made by them.

Besides priests Granthi Mal Singh and Giani Jagtar Singh, SGPC secretaries Harbeant Singh and Ranvir Singh, additional secretaries Major Singh and Gurdarshan Singh, deputy secretary Tarlochan Singh, Angrez Singh, Dilbagh Singh and Harbhajan Singh Manawa, chief gurdwara inspector Sukhdev Singh Bhura Kohna, in charge and assistant in charge of the Publicity Department Ram Singh and Iqbal Singh Mukhi, accountant Harinderpal Singh, members of the Dharam Prachar Committee, staff of the SGPC and hundreds of devotees were among those present on the occasion.

i agree that a travel ban is the best practical option. no one will be arrested whilst abroad. we can only lobby for a travel ban. this will highlight to the world what these dogs have done.

i have heard of this story before. it is true.

the singh was right to snatch his dastaar.

quality idea to promote it

i agree with gabroo.

khalistan will not be taliban

the word is abused by thick people

sant ji did start the dharam yudh morcha but combined it with the akalis rail rasto roko etc morcha etc after amrik singhs arrest in july 1982.

the akalis already had the rail rasta roko etc morcha started before sant ji - it was linked to the time during the emergency

dukhniwaran in patiala was attacked.

i think this bakhshish singh has been arrested before and bullied by the police. again just further evidence of harassing singhs.

i do not want to debate hair v non hair. bhai nand lal and sukha/jinda are fantastic examples of non hair. baba deep singh is fantastic example of hair.

many sikhs in the past kept long hair but did not have paghs, several sikhs had paghs but not long hair.

i suggest siques tigers and thieves - trememdous book about 18th century singhs and how they were viewed by 3rd parties ie. the english, french and muslims. sangat singh's sikh history is ok too but clearly biased towards the singh sahba style of thinking.

ventura and allard did NOT have kesh at the time they were accepted into ranjit singhs army. only after several years and after they married sikh women did they keep kesh.

instead of saying the RSS BJP are rewriting history, i would advise you all to read as many books as possible and make your own view - that is the nature of history books

bobby friction can express an opinion but cant be taken seriously as he looks like a bit of a circus freak.

all sikhs did NOT have turbans and were NOT all amritdharis before the british came.

the british in fact made more sikhs amritdharis by rewarding them with army positions and the landholdings that came with such army positions.

i suggest you read some history books.

the akalis started the morcha in 1973 after badal lost power in 1971 and the anandpur sahib resolution was passed in 1973. it faded until badal lost again in (1977-) 1980. between 1980 and 1982 it was pretty rubbish. then sant ji overtook it and it became popular. that is my understanding.

awesome human beings.

such mental strength beggers belief.

karku 007 - what you say may be true. politics is a murky game.

no power wielding mp will back khalistan. we need more money to influence - thats the honest truth. more money more lobby power.

i have to book to goto my local?

what on earth is that about?

SO THIS GUY IS A SELLOUT TOO????!!!

Dal Khalsa founder sets terms for return

Varinder Walia

Tribune News Service

Amritsar, September 28

Founder of the Dal Khalsa, Gajinder Singh, whose name has figured on the list of 20 most-wanted Indian terrorists following an attack on Parliament House in December, 2001, has said he is ready to come back to India on certain conditions.

He, along with four other Sikh activists, had hijacked an Indian Airlines plane en route Delhi-Srinagar-Lahore on September 29, 1981, nine days after the arrest of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, 27 years ago.

The Indian government has sought the extradition of all 20 most-wanted terrorists.

He said he had already undergone imprisonment for more than 13 years in jails in Pakistan on the charges of hijacking the Indian Airlines plane, hence he could not be tried in any country for the same crime.

Replying to a question, he said he still miss Amritsar, Chandigarh, Patiala, but he could not negotiate on the conditions for his return which were not honourable.

Revealing his proximity to leaders of some mainstream Akali leaders, he claimed in early ’90s, then SGPC president Gurcharan Singh Tohra had offered him to contest from Patiala’s parliamentary constituency after his release from a Pakistan jail.

He said his party believed in peaceful and democratic means. This is his first interview with any mediaperson after he was declared most-wanted by government.

Talking to The Tribune on the phone on the eve of 27th anniversary of the hijacking incident, from an undisclosed destination, Gajinder, however, said he could come back to India, if he was offered a respectable way.

It is believed that he is living in Pakistan. Gajinder said he had never used a weapon for the cause of the Sikh community.

He claimed that even during hijacking none of the hijackers had used any weapon.

He had no criminal background, hence figuring of his name on the list of most-wanted Indians had shocked him.

Condemning violence for achieving the set goals, he said he had never justified

innocent killings.

He, however, confessed that the movement for a separate state had weakened due to weaknesses of certain leaders.

PLEASE BACK UP YOUR "FACTS" WITH EVIDENCE. ALL YOU CAN RELY ON IS INDIAN MEDIA. HOW DO YOU KNOW IF BITTU DID INVITE SUKHI CAT? I DONT KNOW WHY HE WOULD TURN UP AT THE WEDDING. I DIDNT ASSERT THAT SUKHI HAD "PUCCA" LINKS TO BITTU. YOU DID. HENCE IN THE USUAL WAY TO ARGUE THINGS, IF YOU ASSERT, YOU HAVE TO BACK UP WITH EVIDENCE - THAT IS WHY I ASKED YOU IF YOU HAD EVER WRITTEN AN ESSAY.

What you want me to do ? Get sworn statements from Punjab from people who were at the wedding ? Do you think you are some judge in Punjab and Haryana High Court asking for evidence ? For some things you do not need evidence. Give me evidence against the cold blooded murderer Gobind Ram. Have you got any evidence of Phoola Nang being a murderer ? Thats how farcical your call for evidence is. Nothing you say will change the FACT that Sukhi cat was invited to the wedding by Bittu and he attended.

SO YOU ADMIT YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE WHETHER OR NOT BITTU INVITED HIM TO HIS WEDDING. THANKS.

THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE AGAINST GOBIND RAM - THERE ARE SWORN STATEMENTS FROM SIKH FAMILIES WHOM HE HAS ABUSED. YOU ONLY NEED TO READ MAHMOOD'S BOOK ABOUT A WIFE OF A LEADING BABVAR KHALSA SINGH. AGAIN THERE ARE SWORN STATEMENTS AGAINST PHOOLA - HENCE WHY THERE WERE SEVERAL FIR'S LODGED AGAINST HIM. SO YOU DO NEED EVIDENCE!

I ASKED SOME OTHER QUESTIONS AND YOU ARE UNABLE TO RESPOND TO EACH OF MY POINTS SPECIFICALLY - SEE THEM ABOVE. IF I AM INCORRECT PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG - I AM PREPARED TO ACCEPT IF YOU CAN PROVE OTHERWISE.

They are not even worth answering as it is what we term dhaba talk.

WHY NOT? BECAUSE YOU CANT PROVIDE AN ANSWER?

BY YOUR LOGIC IF ANYONE WHO ISNT DEAD FROM THE MOVEMENT IS A SELLOUT. PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS.

No thats your own words not mine. I say anyone who surrenders to police at pre-arranged location is a pucca nang who used the militancy movement for their own motives. Anyone who just so happens to surrender from same place that Dr Sohan surrendered from is also dubious. When countless other Sikh naujawan are being killed in fake encounters it is dubious that someone like Bittu is able to surrender so easily.

SO BY YOUR LOGIC STATED ABOVE - WHEN SANT JI PUBLICLY DECLARED ON 20/9/81 THAT HE WOULD SURRENDER AND BE ARRESTED BY THE CHANDO KALAN HARAYANA POLICE IN CONNECTION WITH LALA JAGAT NARAINS MURDER -(YOU MUST HAVE HEARD THE SPEECH) AND THEN HE ACTUALLY DID SO ON 21/9/81 AND 4 SINGHS WERE SHOT DEAD PROTESTING BY THE POLICE YET HE WAS KEPT ALIVE IN JAIL FOR 25 DAYS AND THEN HE WAS RELEASED ON BAIL AND THEN GIANI ZAIL SINGH SAID IN PARLIAMENT HE DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MURDER - DOES THAT MAKE SANT JI STAGE MANAGED ARREST AND MAKE HIM A SELLOUT?

WHEN BHAI AMRIK SINGH BABA THARA SINGH WERE ARRESTED AND RELEASED WHILST OTHER SINGHS WERE BEING KILLED DURING THE DHARAM YUDH MORCHA - WERE THEY SELLOUTS? WERE THEY DUBIOUS?

WHAT ABOUT HARMINDER SANDHU? HE WAS ARRESTED BEFORE THE ATTACK AND TORTURED. SANT JI SAID HE TRUSTED HIM WITH HIS LIFE. YET HE "SURRENDERED" DURING THE ATTACK

OR MAYBE HE WAS JUST ARRESTED? AFTER HE CAME OUT OF JAIL HE WAS SHOT DEAD.

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS ARRESTED AND RELEASED AND NOT KILLED AND OTHERS ARE DOES THAT MAKE THEM SELLOUTS?

JUST BECAUSE THE INDIAN MEDIA SAY BITTU WAS ARRESTED FROM THE SAME FARMHOUSE AS SOHAN SINGH DOES THAT MAKE IT TRUE? BECAUSE YOU WERENT THERE YOU CANT SAY THAT FOR 100%.

WHY ARE YOU CALLING ME A 12 YRD OLD? EVEN IF I WAS 12 OR YOUNGER OR OLDER THAN YOU WHAT HAS AGE GOT TO DO WITH IT? IF YOU CANT ARGUE AND BACK UP WITH FACTS THAN JUST SAY SO. YOU SHOULDNT RESORT TO NAME CALLING OR AGE CALLING ETC.

Oh sorry, it is sooooooo wrong to call you a 12 year old. It is you who cannot provide any facts, it is you who branded others childish. Funny when the shithar is on the other foot that you begin to jump through loops like a circus performer. You point fingers at others and accuse them of being GOI agents when the only sarkari agent on this forum is you. People who defend traitors like Bittu are the GOI agents, those who make reference to Shaheed Baba Manochal Ji as being a warlord are the sarkari tatoo.

I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING IS 100% LIKE YOU ARE. I HAVE PROVIDED EXAMPLES FROM SIKH HISTORY WITH DATES ETC. YOU HAVE JUST GONE ON HEARSAY FROM INDIAN NEWSPAPERS. I NEVER SAID MANOCHAHAL WAS A GOI AGENT. I SAID OTHER MILITANTS CALL HIM THAT. NO ONE ACTUALLY KNOWS WHO WAS RIGHT OR WRONG. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS DEAD AND SOMEONE ELSE IS ALIVE DOESNT MAKE THE ALIVE ONE A GOI AGENT AND THE DEAD ONE A TRUE MILITANT AS YOU SUGGEST. YOU COULD ARGUE THAT THE DEAD ONES WERE THE AGENTS BECAUSE THEY GOI WANTED THEM RID OF. MY POINT IS YOU DONT ANYTHING BECAUSE FACT AND FICTION IS DISTORTED BY THE INDIAN MEDIA. YET YOU SEEM TO RELY ON EVERYTHING THEY WRITE.

Chal prove to me that Sukhi was not at Bittus wedding, prove that Bittu did not surrender from same place as Dr Sohan. Everyone in Punjab knows about the deceptive role the likes of Dr Sohan, Bittu and Zafarwal played in Punjabs history. Next you will be telling us that Wassan Zaffarwal is a panthic figure.

I NEVER SAID SUKHI WASNT AT THE WEDDING. HE WAS PICTURED AT THE WEDDING. I SAID YOU PROVE TO ME THAT BITTU INVITED HIM BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID BITTU INVITED HIM NOT ME. I ALSO DIDNT SAY THAT BITTU DIDNT SURRENDER FROM THE SAME FARMHOUSE AS SOHAN SINGH. YOU SAID THAT AND I ASKED YOU TO PROVE IT APART FROM RELYING ON INDIAN NEWSPAPERS. SAD FACT IS YOU DONT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OTHER THAN INDIAN NEWSPAPERS.