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yeah man i dont want to argue with u cuz i think u just want to argue with ppl and not to say anything about the positive things.When i come to this website i come as a punjabi not as a US army personnel.And to win wars in this modern world u need some skills andknowledge which u cant have without going to school.And yeah some diplomatic stuff too, and when i say that kharkoos were uneducated i'm not talking about just one person or some 100 ppl i'm talking about all those youngsters involved in the movement.But u'll never understand that as u have never faced combat.e.g napoleon led france to become a superpower in 1800's but he wasnt a born king, he went in the army as lieughtenent but he was a master of mathematics.i'll write tomorrow as i have to go, changa sat sri akal. Sat sri akal, And yeah personally i dont think that there was much stuff in that movement from where i can take my inspiration or ideas.My whole inspiration comes from the singhs of the period which starts with the time frame of 1700s to 1760s and then the shaheeds of freedom movement of krantikarres like shaheed-e-azam bhagat singh and his other friends.If u talk about the singhs of 18th century, they were different cuz they realised the fact that if they have to win this struggle, they have to win the hearts of the ppl.Singhs will not go to ppl's homes their villages cuz they dont want to put them in trouble.they'll just stay in their own hidespots and ppl were always desperate to see them and thats why they were loved by ppl.U believe it or not, that doesnt happen in the 84 movement, if it happened it was very little and as far as i know majority of ppl were unhappy to give shelter to kharkoos and they were scared to tell them to go somewhere else.e.g police came to my fuffars house and all the kharkoos run away and police beat my fuffars family, like four policemen were beating one guy with gun butt and jumping on him.A movement doesnt mean that everybody should become a kharkoo but its the responsibility of leaders to make sure that ppl or common man dont hate them.I dont know how u said in one of ur replies that" if u had been there, u'd have thought in a different way", so now i'm not going to argue who has seen more or what but u know that tehsil tarn taran had more kharkoos and muqables as compared to other areas. And singhs never faced mughal fauj or ahmad shah abdali inside the boundary of the gurudwaras.They never used them as their hiding spots cuz they knew it that if they do muslims dont care about their gurudwaras but thats a different thing that harmandir sahib was still destroyed by abdali many times but singhs were never blamed for that.When ppl say that indira gandhi is the one who was responsible for destruction of sri harmandir sahib, i dont believe in this thing, and i dont care what u think but i think that Sant Jarnail singh bhindranwale and his supporters were also responsible for that.U have no right to sit inside a holy place if u think u r going to fight against an army.when u r sitting inside a gurudwara with weapons in ur hands and u expect that enemy is not going to do anything, thats wrong.When it comes to a war none is spared.and if u going for a war take it outside man, what the hell u r doing inside.Indira gandhi has to be blamed for that cuz she could have done one thing, like cutting the supplies and this way the building of gurudwara sahib would not have been destroyed.but she tried to do her own thing.I'm sorry man,but thats the way i think. and dont say that i'm blinded by US propaganda cuz i know that when u start a movement, th e govt is going to call u terrorists like they call shaheed bhagat singh terrorist too so i'm not a man who can be brainwashed very easily.

hore sajna kee haal hai, theek thaak?yeah u r right that punjab is going down and down.I feel u man but as DAS NIMANA has said that NRI's want to see the punjab in the same way as they left it but they want to throw all the responsibility on the punjabis living there.I have lived my first 25 yrs in punjab and i know how the ppl living in villages r getting poor and ppor. And i'm not going to say that u have to really come to punjab today.Keep doing whatever u r doing, if u r studying study hard with some purpose in ur mind towards punjab cuz if u get a nice jjob or business or whatever u can help ppl of punjab financially or maybe for buying weapons oneday.That'll be upto u.U KNOW WHO TOLD ME THIS?ONE KHARKOO SINGH TOLD ME ALL THAT.HE WAS A STUDENT OF MY DAD, AND ONE DAY HE CAME TO MY HOME TO TALK TO MY DAD.HE TOLD ME THAT THIS MOVEMENT IS GOING TO FAIL ONE DAY CUZ PPL WHO R COMING(MAJORITY OF THEM) R NOT EDUCATED,AS THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT THE SIKH HISTORY,THEY DONT EVEN KNOW THE BOUNDARIES OF PUNJAB OR INDIA AND THEYDONT EVEN KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THEIR FIGHT.THEY JUST KNOW ONE WORD KHALISTAN.SO WE NEED PPL WHO R EDUCATED,SO GO AND STUDY BE AN OFFICER IN ARMY ORSOMETHING ELSE AND THEN COME TO FIGHT FOR KHALISTAN IN A SOLDIER WAY OR A DIPLOMATIC WAY. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE HE IS NOW, THERES NO NEWS ABOUT HIM. And if u really care about punjab, what is that u were there in 1996 last time?Mitra bus gallan karnian hee aundiyan ya fir koi pyar vee hai?Go to punjab every year and pick one boy or girl whos 5-6 yrs old and whos parents cannot pay them for their education and then put him/her in a nice school/hostel(baru sahib or whatever u prefer), and one day he/she will be an important person for punjab.How much thats going to cost ? just 2000 US dollars a year.If u dont have that, just stop eating burgers and pizzas etc.Lets do it, lets do something for our motherland.Just save ur money, cuz if u really want to go on that path, then nothing is urs everything is of ur motherland where u came from? baki i agree with u that simranjeet changa mitra, fer milange.

sat sri akal mitra, i'm really impressed by ur devotion towards shaheeds.strong work my friend.chnga fer.sat sri akal.

sat sri akal , hore fer singha kiven hai? takra hai?mainu badee khushi hoyee tera jawab pad ke.theek hai koi vee do bande jadon koi gall bare vichar karange ta thoda jiha virodh ho sakda hai. kee tu(shad pare tusin tassin vich kujh nahi rakhia) mainu dassenga ke tu kes ilake naal sabandh rakhda hai. par ik gall kahan ke kujh lok samajhde han ke jes taran khalistan bus hun sheti sheti ban jave,es taran nahi hon lagga, eho jihe kumman waste dahake(decades) lang jande han. theek hai main ik mona ha.ate jo main hun kar riha ha os da experience mere kum aavega(waheguru mainu es kabal banave).Je tu kahen ke mere kol koi future plan hai ta mera jawab hai ke nahi.Par mainu pata hai ik sikhan da independent state ya a state with some more rights, nu banaun waste mere warge lokan da kum beej(seeds) nu zameen vich beejan ate fer os nu pani paun tak hee seemat rahega,oa boote dee shan main nahi maan sakanga. zazba ta hai, baki time dasega ke meri eh zindagee meri mitti lai hai ya fer????????? asha yaar mainu hun jana paina hai, fer likhanga, changa apna khiyal rakhin, SSA.

ohna sarian nu meri sat sri akal jehre wakiyya(really) hee apne des punjab nu payar karde han, os bare sochde rehnde han ate shayad kai mere warge vee honge jehre raat nu apne supniyan de vich apne pind diyan galian ya kache pahian(dirt roads) de utte ghumde(wander around) honge.i'm writing somewords in english cuz many of the users of this website r born outside punjab, so maybe some of them may not understand.I came to US like two yrs ago,( badi agg lagee see mainu ke main vee bahar jana hai) but now i think about that punjabi chapter which i read in 10th grade in school , the title was "Des payar" and in that essay the writer is saying that des payar just doesnt fall from sky it comes slowly and slowly.It starts with love towards ur mother and then family and then when u grow up, u start to love ur village and then it takes the form of love towards ur country. Now i realize how true is that?Cuz when i was in khalsa college,Amritsar and i was in hostel(a place where u live if u cannot go home every day) and i used to go home like after every two weeks and when i had to go back to amritsar i used to be very sad and i'll keep staring at my village even when the bus was taking me away from it. I was 6 yrs old in 84 and i saw people living the dream of khalistan, i saw them fighting for it and then dying for it and with them the dream of khalistan.We call those people "Singh" or "babe" or "bhaoo".One time they came to my home to hide their AK 47's and they told my mom that they'll come again to take it back.I was 13 at that time and only god knows how scared we were cuz we were thinking the whole time if somebody saw them in our house and complained to the CRPF station which wasnt even 1Km away, then whats going to happen.They'll destroy our home and kill us all.But nothing happened.In summer holidays i used to go to my aunt's village which is very close to tarn taran, but the location was such that there village is isolated and their house was surrounded by farms of sugarcane and stuff .Anytime u go there u'll find like 8-10 singhs there. Now why i'm telling u all this is that i have seen that dream of khalistan from a very close point.Cuz i'm reading the articles on that website from last ten days, like some hot articles about khalistan and some sikh guys talking about will u go to war for khalistan or will u die for khalistan.Some r like i'll die for khalistan.Wow thats too much information guys, i'll just say that "deeds not words". Well ,i'm in the US army at that time and currently in baghdad.we r just ready to come back.Ai mere dosto,mitro,sathiyo, War is not an easy thing.I have seen people shaking,their hands slipping away from their weapons when it comes to life and death. Ai mere naujwan sathiyo, i'm not trying to discourage u but why is it that the people who r born ouside punjab or they r living outside punjab, they r talking a lot about khalistan,thay always talk about sant jarnail singh bhindranwale but they talk a little of the likes of Shaheed-e-azam Bhagat singh, Kartar singh sarabha, shaheed Udham singh.Why, why is that?and then there r ppl who were born there and lived there, but they dont think that way. This can be a little funny, like when i was in 9th grade my father brought me a book, covering the history of sikhs from 1708(after shah-e-shanshah Guru Gobind Singh) to the day when they lost it to British in 1845 at sabhraw on the banks of sutluj.Though i had read several small books about sikh history before but that was a huge book, in too much detail, written by Col narinderpal singh("sir deeje kan na keeje").After reading that book i was so inspired and still i'm that i was like hey dad i'm ready to go, to go to war but then my dad was like "no kid wait and read it again.The singhs u have read about in this book r not out there yet".Well this is becoming so long essay so i'll just wrap it up now. The thing is we did some mistakes in that war for khalistan and i'd like to discuss it with u next time.But for u young guys ask those people who r telling u stuff about khalistan, like what went wrong in that war?Cuz i know that somebody is teaching u that stuff cuz i know as i have told u that majority of u werent there in punjab.And ask them that question(if these people r ur parents) also that will they let u go to war for kahlistan or will u go if there comes a chance to go for war?Maybe i'll come oneday to take u guys with me where i came from? Waheguru meher kareen. "Sewa des dee jindadiye badi aukhi te gallan karniyan dher saukhaliyan ne, jihnan des swea vich payair(feet) paya ohna lakh museebtan challiyan ne"