Bhai Sahib

Yeah, but its the soollair who will be getting the beatings, so most goreh won't equated to that, (in fact they would be cheering the Sikh along!).

"Whosoever assumes a religious garb pleases not God even a bit. O ye men, understand this clearly in your minds, that God is attained not through showmanship." (Guru Gobind Singh, Chaupai 53-55, Chapter 6, Vachitra Natak, Dasam Granth) "I am pleased not with any religious garb, so I shall sow the seeds of the Unaccountable One" (Guru Gobind Singh, Vachitra Natak)

In the upcoming third volume of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, entitled 'Century', will see a Sikh mariner terrorising the mohammedans with a nuclear armed submarine. It looks like this character will be taking up the mantle from the long dead Captain Nemo. I hope writers will use contemporary words in their comics such as "soollair" to convey the correct emotion that is felt by non-appeasing Sikhs against this fascist ideology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_League_of...me_III:_Century away in Kashmir a Sikh terrorist with a now-nuclear-armed submarine wages a holy war against Islam that might push the whole world into atomic holocaust

I agree. ***MOD REMOVED: PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE SENSATIVE TO THIS ISSUE. THAT IS NOT A VERY NICE THING TO SAY***

Another one.. http://www.erosentertainment.com/namasteylondon/

Singh Is King WHAT THE #@$%!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singh_Is_King http://www.glamsham.com/movies/scoops/07/o...apne_100702.asp

Don't be silly of course it was.

humility and humbleness ? These words from you? Pot calling the kettle black?

Whoo! hold on minute there! what's the reasoning behind that? My comment was thought proking and 'water tight'. Updated: talikhaak I think I sent you a private message.

Where's the over 18 discussion channel on this forum?? Let's move the thread there.

That happens everytime when the train goes past. Hopefully the pews will cancel out the vibrations from those damn trains. Good underfloor insulation will also help.

How do you know she plucks her eyebrows? Zoom in.

I think they mean eastern religions founded by Aryans, like Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, as appose to Semitic religions of Judaism, Christianity, Mohammidism.

i'd say that one is quite important :lol: "what we eat" - i think you would agree with me that eating has an HUGE impact on us Ok..that was not the jist of what I was saying, but yeah literally I can't argue with you on that one.

Good to see a Singhni with pluked eyebrows and lipstick. Very forward thinking.

I hope your not eating that with tomato ketchup. Because that's just wrong. Now its just going off topic. Closed.

This would not occur with pews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew No it is not. If this was the case how come you see so many of the sangat sitting agianst the walls. This would not occur with pews. Half the sangat would probably trample over people during a fire in a hall were we all sit on the floor. Come on you know it's true. It would be like 'dog eat dog'. Disagree everyone should be able to sit on pews. Much more difficult though when your sitting on pews. Harder to do that on pews. Disagree with that. No it doesn’t. Your conveniently forgetting history, in his 10th incarnation the true king sat on a throne and held his darbar. Well hopefully a day will come were there will be Gurdwareh all over the place with all the sangat sitting in pews in the darbar, and our Guru Granth sitting on the high throne ahead of us. I just don't know what it is with these Jatha vale Sikhs that have issues with total non-issues like this, how we sit, how we eat, what we eat, what materical our utensils are we cook with, what material our Khanga is, what color our kachera is, what day to wash our hair, complete stupid brain dead moronic non-issues. What we really need is a Sikh reformation through consensus that will sweep away with all this dead-wood that are these backward self-contradictory jathabandies-sant-dera-waleh pindus, and go back to the real roots of Sikhism and not the current pseudo- purityrannical regime we have now. I wonder what the future Sikh reformers version of The Ninety-Five theses would be? And who would dare nail it to the door of the Akal Takhat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-Five_Theses I guess these Masands like AK-47 would get their caveman clubs out ready to bash anyone who wished to challenge the status quo. The real reasons why people don't want chairs are... 1) They are Conservative. They don't want change, they don't care that what they have is due to previous changes, and all they care about is to keep the status quo. Its a power thing, change means losing control/power. 2) You can't pack in people as much as you can by packing them on the floor. As Gurdwareh nowadays are businesses more than places of worship the committees don't want to introduce any measures that might affect their coffers.

Your moderation of that thread would of not come into questioning if you had acted neutral. Your neutrality is of concern. In my view there was nothing wrong in closing the thread if it broke an establish rule, e.g. not discussing whether Sikh's can eat meat or not. Fair enough, if that's a rule and the thread broke it then moderators should apply the rule and close the thread. The above is is OK. That was all that should of been said. However, I don't think it was correct as a moderator to throw in your two cents. Where's the neutrality in that? Clearly it seems someone has an agenda here. (I would of replace the 'someone' with a moderators name but the rules state, 'They (the moderators) do not deserve to have scorn heaped upon them either publicly or privately.) However, as the forum rules state, if you think a moderator has acted inappropriately, please contact the administrators privately so we can deal with it. There was a case were I started a thread entitled Singhni Gets Life! Balait_da_Sher kindly directed me to a thread that was already discussing this. http://www.sikhsangat.com/lofiversion/index.php/t30855.html However later some unkown moderator retitles the orginal thread to Woman Gets Life! No explaination as to why. I can assume the previous moderator had no issue with it. There definitely seems to be moderators who have agenda here. Agenda's siding with Jatha Baba Dera types. Power corrupts you know. Admins: Allow Randip Singh also to moderate this site, if he's willing.

I agree 100%

hundreds of thousands of cases like this!!! If that's true then God help us. I guess a Singhni who orchetrated the kidnapping and then murdering of a daughter-in-law is not anti-khalsa enough for you. Sick. :lol: This 'tragic social event' (as you like to put it ) is a high profile media story. This Singh and Singhni have tarnish the image of the Khalsa Panth with their actions. How much support has the Sikh community, the elders, shown to Surjit brother? This is a political issue because of what it highlights and not just a 'tragic social event'. It would be good for the Jathedar (as he is here) to show support to Surjit brother, to show the Sikh community is behind him and to show the media that Sikhism does not tolerate this, by declaring the excommunication of these two murderers. But you, S1ngh, you seem to feel that such matters are too small to trouble the mind of Vedanti. What a joke. And forum members, guess what! this S1ngh is a moderator!

So wait..this is an interesting precedent..all gabroo gets is a warning!..so I theoretically could call gabroo's mum a prostitute and all I would get is a warning for it….. ...never knew these were the rules... ….a humble manner…? So anyone who is famous I have to talk about in a humble manner, so if I'm ever discussing about Indira Gandhi, I have to talk about her in a humble manner, or say Adolf Hitler, I would have to talk about him in a humble manner. So anyone who talks about…say…Indira Gandhi not in a humble manner then we the forum members would at least expect you to edit their posts, or give one of your warnings to them? Somehow I can’t see that happening. How neutral are you? I still stand by the fact that I was not rude to nor did I slander Yogi Bhajan. I did not say he visited prostitutes or that he was a drug dealer, all I have said is that I wound not trust him. If not trusting someone is rude then what's the point of debate? Any attributes I attributed to him are factually real and undeniable. Anyway in regards to Yogi Bhajan words that I quoted (without the use of any slang), I believe that Yogi Bhajan quote is an unrestrained spiel of fantasy. Mod note: Warning for using vulgar language on the forum. Children use the board so have some shame.

It just shows that not all parents make the right decisions when they 'match' up couples. This was an arranged mariage that ended up with an arrange killing. Who do I blame? I blame the parents of this daughter for allowing their daughter to get married to this Singh who had been married twice previously and to a person who was many years older than her AND marrying her off at the age of 16! I guess Vendenti, our alleged pseudo-sikh-pope will not excommunicate this singh and singhni out of the panth for their crimes. He's to busy excommunicating individuals who disagree with his theological ideas in their acedemic publications. NB: I'll check my spelling later. :mellow:

Murder without a body of evidence By Debabani Majumdar BBC News, London Nine years after Surjit Athwal disappeared, her mother-in-law Bachan Athwal and husband Sukhdave Athwal have been jailed for life for her murder. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said its biggest challenge was proving she was murdered without a body. Securing evidence was very difficult and grew harder as the investigation was spread over four countries, Devi Kharran, senior crown prosecutor, said. She said the case sent a strong message that there was "no honour in murder". Ms Kharran said: "It's been very difficult from the start to finish. The most difficult was to prove a murder without a body - the body was never found." Surjit, who was 27, accompanied Bachan to a family wedding in the Punjab, India, in December 1998, but she never returned. It subsequently emerged that Surjit, who wanted a divorce and to start a new life with her lover, was killed to save the "family honour". Surjit, a customs officer at Heathrow airport, was married to Sukhdave Athwal at the age of 16 and had two children with him. As her marriage with Sukhdave was falling apart she fell in love with a work colleague. Before her visit to India, she told the family that the marriage was over and initiated divorce proceedings. Ms Kharran said prior to the trip Bachan held a family meeting in her west London home where it was decided to "get rid" of Surjit. The court heard that at the wedding, a relative and another person strangled and then dumped her body into the River Ravi. The CPS said it was aware that in India a person was tried and acquitted of kidnap. On returning from the trip the pair told Surjit's family and children she refused to return home. The family then removed her name from the deeds to the family home in Hayes, north-west London, and got ride of all photos of her. 'Frightened to speak' Ms Kharran said in so-called honour killing cases families were often tied up in the situation. "Family members are frightened or unwilling to speak and don't want to jeopardise their position in the family structure." Sukhdave and Bachan were arrested in 2000 on suspicion of conspiracy to murder but were later bailed. But in 2005 a daughter-in-law was coaxed into speaking by her father. Then Bachan's daughter, who was later declared a hostile witness, told the police about the family meeting where they decided to "get rid" of Surjit, Ms Kharran said. Surjit's boyfriend also testified in court. "The daughter gave evidence from behind a screen as she was very frightened and apprehensive as she was giving evidence against her own mother." Those statements saw Bachan and Sukhdave charged with murder in 2005. Evidence gathering was challenging for police who had to visit India, Norway, Singapore and Canada. Sukhdave married Surjit when she was 16 Police spoke to Sukhdave's two ex-wives, in Norway and in Singapore. Officers also visited Canada to see if Surjit had started a new life with her boyfriend there. But it was India that caused investigators problems, Ms Kharran said. "We submitted a letter of request (for officers to visit) in early 2006. "It took nine to 10 months for India to allow our police to investigate... the 10-month delay jeopardised the initial date when the trial was scheduled begin." As the "jigsaw pieces" started to fall into place, a well-thought out plan emerged. Ms Kharran said: "We find no honour in a murder and the most important thing for us is to have sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction and if satisfied we would prosecute anyone who commits these crimes in the name of honour." "This will send out the right message to the community... If you commit a crime in another jurisdiction or country and return, and if you are a British citizen the CPS can still prosecute you."

Life for murder plot grandmother A grandmother found guilty of plotting with her son to kill his wife to "defend the family honour" is jailed for life. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7002404.stm Missing evidence - How police solved a so-called honour killing case without a body http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7002853.stm

If a Singh can be happy with his mane why can’t a Singhni be happy with her whiskers.